"Man. Atonement's a bitch."
May 08
2012
How much screen time did each hero get in The Avengers?
Vulture does their best to find out. The findings may surprise you.
Simon
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Red ledger indeed.
[ edited by Hera on 2012-05-08 14:05 ]
[ edited by Hera on 2012-05-08 14:07 ]
Hera | May 08, 05:04 CET
asaneismRnuTs | May 08, 05:12 CET
lisatwingomez | May 08, 05:55 CET
I wonder how much screen time Nick Fury and Phil Coulson got?
embers | May 08, 06:03 CET
It really puts Iron Man 2 to shame how much character development Joss packed into Black Widow's screen time in the already packed-full-to-the-gills Avengers.
I definitely noticed Thor getting a little less screen time. Of all the major hitters, he felt the least complete. I was hoping for one more significant Asgardian brothers moment in the aftermath of Loki's defeat -- but I imagine Joss thought he'd leave that juicy stuff for Thor 2.
[ edited by Emmie on 2012-05-08 15:14 ]
Emmie | May 08, 06:09 CET
zz9 | May 08, 06:10 CET
Captain America's screen time makes sense considering how Joss has said he wanted to use him as the audience's way into The Avengers, but I wouldn't have guessed it. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot more Captain America scenes show up in the deleted footage.
Bluelark | May 08, 06:16 CET
[ edited by Emmie on 2012-05-08 15:29 ]
Emmie | May 08, 06:28 CET
Jaymii | May 08, 06:29 CET
Kairos | May 08, 06:35 CET
Err ..yea, 'cause Joss is so new to strong female characters that he had to "realize" it while writing this movie.
Oh boy...
That aside, nice idea to break this down. Would've liked more Hawkeye and even more Black Widow and Banner.
D-e-f- | May 08, 06:39 CET
Less nitpicky and obnoxious is better... Everyone understands what they meant, being like that just makes you come across as a douche...
Djungelurban | May 08, 06:57 CET
steverogers | May 08, 06:58 CET
I wish there had been more for Thor, I really like Hemsworth in that role. But he did get one of the best laugh lines and by far the biggest "OOOOOhhhhhhh" in the audience I was in -- you know which hit.
I sure hope Cap visited an old Peggy Carter, whether they actually shot it or not. Poor guy... he had a date. I was probably more wary of how Joss would write Cap than any other factor, because his "he is Captain Hammer" comment made me grit my teeth. Captain America is the unironic real mccoy, he's not a clever in-joke about how much conventional superheroes suck, and I was terrified that there would be overtones of that. I was very pleased and appreciative that Joss didn't make Rogers a subtly undermined punchline. It actually makes me wonder how good a Joss' Superman flick could be if he kept himself likewise in check.
I had the same thought about "shawarma", I was wondering if it would turn out to be a trending topic on twitter after this weekend. I still wonder, though -- do you think they got comped for that meal?
EDIT: I don't know if Cap is the real heart of the movie, I think it still ultimately follows Tony more than anyone -- his arc is to prove he is what Steve flat out tells him to his face he isn't. He does end up laying on a wire for his buddies to crawl over. I kinda wonder if there are deleted scenes that get into the Howard Stark connection, Steve judging the son as wanting.
[ edited by KingofCretins on 2012-05-08 16:02 ]
[ edited by KingofCretins on 2012-05-08 16:02 ]
KingofCretins | May 08, 07:00 CET
Simon | May 08, 07:08 CET
sab39 | May 08, 07:40 CET
>.>
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DreamRose311 | May 08, 07:54 CET
I do think Thor got shorted, given that he's got his own movie coming in. Banner didn't have or need much more screentime, but his was arguably the biggest impact.
WhatsAStevedore | May 08, 08:00 CET
Yes, Joss is known for being unable to hold himself back from flippant handling of genuine, honest characters :). Oh, wait...
zeitgeist | May 08, 08:04 CET
I can't really find when Joss had already already written a stalwart-and-true-real-american-hero type character without subverting him on which I could have hung any concern on my part. Everytime Angel trended that way he was undercut. Riley existed to show that image as one of a man rather floundering and struggling to keep up with the flow of things, always a step behind the plot. Captain Hammer is an explicit mockery of it. Mal is the antithesis. And Buffy herself is not really much like that Captain America persona at all -- I mean, she's the closest in his resume. Maybe one could argue Curt, but, no, that aspect gets deconstructed along with everything else. None of the X-Men are really in that mold, nor the Runaways. So... this was pretty much, that I can think of, the field test of whether or not Joss could take that kind of character seriously and have it turn out well. And he did.
[ edited by KingofCretins on 2012-05-08 17:22 ]
KingofCretins | May 08, 08:21 CET
In most interviews I've read, he has respect for Cap. He also acknowledges that if it isn't done exactly right, it does fall into parody. And writing a parody of Cap is easier and a lot funnier.
You mention undercutting Angel. I had a different view on that. Joss was undercutting the *image* of perfection, and the idea that if someone is good then they must *always* be right (even when they are not). (Plenty of examples from people that fanatically supported either Bush or Obama.) But the undercutting allows Angel to be more heroic, not less, because the struggle is greater.
And it makes him more sympathetic. In one of the interviews linked to from here, Evans was worried that the "flying monkeys" joke would make Cap look like a doofus. Joss assured him that it would cause people to relate to Cap's confusion in the modern world.
OneTeV | May 08, 08:40 CET
punkinpuss | May 08, 08:47 CET
http://www.whedonverse.net/news/online/joss-whedons-reddit-ask-me-anything/
It's just Joss answering questions, some silly, and it seems like a joke response. Is that where KingofCretins got it?
Walkdogger | May 08, 08:51 CET
As for the shawarma thing...
I had shawarma for dinner last night. Wasn't really thinking about the Avengers when I ordered it, but was by the time I was done. Went home and added it to my list of Whedon-y cuisine, along with the capsicle, next to lentils (completely incomprehensible), Mudders' Milk, and the Doublemeat Medley.
wasabiseventeen | May 08, 09:07 CET
If the reddit is where you got it, then yeah, that wasn't serious. If it had been, it totally would have been a valid concern going in, but since like you said, he turned out great, I didn't really have anything to comment on that...
Also I think Riley is that character. I think he floundered and struggled when it turned out his belief in the initiative gets crushed, but I think 'As You Were' clearly shows him back at his boyscout capacities...
DreamRose311 | May 08, 09:17 CET
WhatsAStevedore | May 08, 09:31 CET
waterfallbooks | May 08, 10:02 CET
If people watched the Entertainment Weekly roundtable videos of the cast, Joss talks about Captain America in the context of the thinking of his time (during WWII), and in the movie, a conversation between Coulson and Cap concluded with Coulson saying "I think we need a little old fashioned," tells me that Joss saw Captain America as the moral center or heart of the group. The character was neither a demigod, or a millionaire, playboy, philanthropist. He was just an average guy who wanted to "fight the good fight" against Hitler. He was more in touch with the average person than the others (except for maybe Bruce Banner), and thus (as with Buffy), he was us.
See 'Avengers': Watch EW's exclusive interview with the trash-talking superhero cast, and puny human Joss Whedon -- VIDEO - the first video.
Nebula1400 | May 08, 16:32 CET
madmolly | May 08, 17:17 CET
Kairos | May 08, 19:51 CET