(SPOILER)
David Fury penned tonight's 24, "11:00 P.M. - 12:00 A.M."
This episode reunites Fury with D.B. Woodside, aka Principal McHottie.
Bauer and Palmer's brother Wayne team up to get the evidence they need to prove the President was behind the assasination of David Palmer.
April 10 2006
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gossi | April 10, 14:38 CET
palehorse | April 10, 14:43 CET
gossi | April 10, 14:45 CET
To me, 24 jumped the shark in season 2, when a cougar chased kim bauer (well I guess it would be "jumped the cougar", then...).
The first season was a good idea, and succeeded in its premise; and then, we producers forgot that you can't just have a concept and that, though it might appear as a silly idea at first (but, hey, let's explore!), you also need those people called "writers".
And even if I think Fury is a good writer, I doubt he manages by himself to "wipe out" three terrific seasons following the first.
Le Comité | April 10, 15:04 CET
Andrew Tom | April 10, 15:32 CET
Yorick | April 10, 15:54 CET
Manny Coto's episodes have been great and of course Fury's the effin' man.
And the whole Indestructible Jack Bauer thing is getting hilarious.
"If Jack Bauer were gay, his name would be Chuck Norris."
TheZeppo | April 10, 16:19 CET
jam2 | April 10, 17:07 CET
Exactly, TheZeppo. It's a guilty pleasure show for me, but a fun one to watch. I thought last week's episode involved some of the worst writing, most contrived plot points, and most blatant manipulation of characters and plot for misdirection yet. But for the most part I've enjoyed this season, and feel like as long as you don't expect it to be realistic, to have great continuity, or to be anything other than over-the-top scenes of watching Kiefer yell at the top of his lungs and threaten to torture people, it's a fun show to watch. I'm thoroughly enjoying it, even though it will be interesting to see the writers explain away the gaping plot holes they've created with the most recent twist and prior misdirections. In the end, I doubt they will, satisfactorily, but as long as it continues to be entertaining, i don't really mind.
That's the only show i can say that about....
acp | April 10, 17:19 CET
Paul_Rocks | April 10, 17:26 CET
acp, I'm right there with you. The problem I've had with the show in the past, the reason it didn't grab me, was that it took itself too seriously. All those extreme closeups and heavy, mindnumbing music just kept me rolling my eyes. This season's really turned it around and has kept the intensity at its highest.
Jack frickin BLEW UP a couple episodes ago and emerged FROM THE FLAMES CARRYING A GUY TWICE HIS SIZE OVER HIS SHOULDER. And then he wiped away his burns and charred skin with a wash cloth.
"Jack Bauer would be off the Lost island in 24 hours."
TheZeppo | April 10, 18:11 CET
"The only reason you're still conscious is because I don't want to carry you." GREAT LINE!!!
I'm glad that Keifer renewed his contract for 3 more seasons because it's the ONLY show I watch religiously seeing there is no Whedonverse show on TV.
whedon is GOD | April 10, 18:38 CET
TheZeppo | April 10, 18:40 CET
vampire dan | April 10, 19:16 CET
The article is a good example of what I'm talking about. The examples given are nothing more than one particular person's dislike or misunderstanding of a certain plotline. This dislike then turned into a need to vent a little by means of an internet based article which needed a hook. The author then decides that because two shows happen to have dared to do an episode that they didn't exactly like or really get then clearly it's time to throw out the jump the shark warning signs.
However, in both cases mentioned, the plots given as examples were hardly unusual or out of the ordinary for the shows in question. Maybe a little more suspension of disbelief might be required to accept them but that isn't the same thing as suggesting that a show has reached it's own saturation point and that it's all downhill from here on out. Lost has only been on our screens for a year and a half. How little potential do people really think the show has to offer? How quickly are they going to turn on a show if it doesn't always please them?
Not only that but anyone who has taken the time to look around sites dedicated to shark jumping will be well aware that one man's shark jump is another man's television gold. For every viewer that loves Once More With Feeling there will be another that absolutely loathes the episode and never watched Buffy again after it aired.
I get that it's just a little fun, for the most part, but it sometimes seems to me like people are only watching a show to wait for it to fail. Like they won't be happy until they can say that it isn't as good as it used to be. It's true that some shows do go on way too long than they should but I also think that some people really need to stop expecting perfection from every episode of the shows they watch and just enjoy them for what they are. Unless of course they are only there to be disappointed. In which case, watch Charmed. That show didn't jump the shark, it landed on it's back and rode it off into the sunset.
As for the Logan reveal in 24, great twist but i have to admit that i suspected as much. Nobody who was really that idiotic could have made it all the way to President of the Unit ... oh, wait ... never mind.
The Arcane | April 10, 19:21 CET
Just a bit of fun. But seriously: I agree with your Jumping the Shark quibbles - and, for newer readers, it's a subject we've previously commented on extensively here and here.
SoddingNancyTribe | April 10, 19:35 CET
Oh, the little things that get me excited. :)
delirium_haze | April 10, 19:49 CET
dreamlogic | April 10, 19:51 CET
Thanks for those links, SNT. I'll have a read of those earlier threads when I get chance.
The Arcane | April 10, 19:55 CET
Well...one of them.
David, you my boy.
Dolphin Tamer | April 10, 21:07 CET
Yorick | April 10, 21:16 CET
As for 24 and the Logan reveal -- well, my take on that can more or less be summed up in the same way every ludicrous plot point on 24 can be for me: "What? Really? They're doing that? That's so frickin' silly, why am I still watch... Ohh, hey, coming attractions, what happens next week?"
RambleOn623 | April 10, 22:07 CET
As for 24 and the Logan reveal -- well, my take on that can more or less be summed up in the same way every ludicrous plot point on 24 can be for me: "What? Really? They're doing that? That's so frickin' silly, why am I still watch... Ohh, hey, coming attractions, what happens next week?"
See, I don't say jumpin' the shark in a bad way with 24 - because what you're descriping here is jumpin' the shark. It's silly. But yet you watch. Which is the point of 24, I think. It's so gloriously over the top at times (although Jack hasn't actually jet skied over a shark... yet - get on it, Fury).
This is one of favourite Whedonesque topics of recent times, by the way. Much with the funny.
[ edited by gossi on 2006-04-11 05:33 ]
gossi | April 10, 22:31 CET
WindTheFrog | April 10, 22:48 CET
gossi | April 10, 22:49 CET
k19 | April 11, 00:06 CET
gossi | April 11, 00:15 CET
They'll only make a reality show out of it. Catch phrase to the person who's voted out each week? Oh, it's too easy: "You've been cancelled." ;-)
Was it just me, or did that movie they were advertising during tonight's 24, "The Sentinel," seem to have the exact same plot as this season of 24 (fed agent Kiefer goes after his former mentor)?
Oh, yeah, the topic. Actually, I have thought there has been lots of sharks jumped by 24 (example: Tony's been blown up! Oh, wait, he's OK! Hmm, where has Tony gone off to these last few episodes when we didn't need him? Oh, darn, he's been injected to death!), but I truly admit tonight's show was really superior -- the action was believable (although who couldn't tell in advance that the bank manager and Evelyn both were, er, not going to be made series regulars!), the characters were "in character," the dialogue was good & made sense (I liked when the bank manager recognized Principal Woodside -- yeah, dude, being the dead President's brother and all, like, why are you robbing my bank? -- that's what I would ask!), and, yes, Chloe snark -- snarky, snarky, Chloe snark. There really has been a difference in the eps written by DF. Yay David Fury! ;-)
PS, funny coincidence, gossi: I always have pictured you looking like Chloe. Especially the sneer when you snark. ;-)
billz | April 11, 00:20 CET
k19 | April 11, 00:23 CET
Just wait until they kill off Chloe! Then you know they've jumped the shark into orbit. Or a bit higher.
[ edited by gossi on 2006-04-11 07:25 ]
gossi | April 11, 00:24 CET
billz | April 11, 00:29 CET
So, just to be clear: Stay away from Timmah Minear, Fury! Don't kill Chloe! Or well shall have a riot. Lots of love, Progressive!Chloe.
gossi | April 11, 00:32 CET
billz | April 11, 00:37 CET
Actually, I could possibly try and get a guest spot on 24. I've always wanted to be tortured by Jack Bauer. Oh, god - I've let the fanfic leak over again.
gossi | April 11, 00:41 CET
*clicks on link*
*reads*
*increases settings for family-friendly filter on google*
[ edited by billz on 2006-04-11 10:06 ]
billz | April 11, 00:48 CET
Having just spent the morning dealing with a server that wouldn't reboot and the attendant... ah, behaviors... of my colleagues, I get the IT snark. Ah, Chloe, you speak (or more accurately, snark) for so many of us...
RambleOn623 | April 11, 09:47 CET
I didn't buy the President not believing his wife because he thought she was out of her mind either - I got the sense that he knew exactly what she was talking about and tried to cover it up by blaming it on her mental illness.
The 5th day/season has definitely been the best of 24 so far, probably not completely unrelated to the addition of one David Fury to the writing/production team ;)
AngelEd | April 11, 11:03 CET
billz | April 11, 11:25 CET
One could imagine, though, that the situation in which Palmer found himself was pretty troublesome: Who to tell if the President is plotting God knows what? Especially if you don't really have that much proof. Not the Secret Service, whose primary objective is protecting the President. None of his former contacts (Jack, Tony, Michelle) worked at the CTU anymore. Chloe would've been the exception, but the problem of proving the President-is-a-big-frakkin-crook claims remains. And as I understood it, the First Lady and Palmer were pretty close friends, so him confiding in her wasn't that far-fetched.
Not that I watch 24 for its almost semi-realistic and nearly borderline-credible plot twists - I'm just enjoying the ride! :)
Kiefer Sutherland deserves some major props though for his portrayal of Jack "I'm back!" Bauer. The man has massive amounts of screen time, and he has really succeeded in creating a credible character regardless of the unbelievable things Jack is constantly going through. Four Emmys is more than enough, though. Hugh Laurie's due for one.
Oy with the poodles already.
AngelEd | April 11, 13:16 CET
billz | April 12, 17:34 CET