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May 12 2006

IDW comic best sellers. Five of the top ten best sellers are from the verse..

To place this in context, Spike: Old Times sold an estimated 7,900 copies back when it was released in August. I assume there's been a few thousand copies sold since especially as Angel: The Curse #3 sold 13,200 copies at the time.

Now I am of the theory that there's finally a nice wee buzz now happening for IDW's Angel comic book range. It may be small compared to the likes of Marvel and DC's heavy hitters but it's there all the same.
What is Spike: Old Wounds about? I have all the others. Is it worth a read?
Cool news

I know that certain issues of the Angel miniseries had to go into multiple printings.
Harm, I haven't seen it, but from what they are saying on LJ and around the Spike boards, it's the best one yet.

ETA: Contains lots of Spike/Angel..

ETA again: Nope, wrong.. See my post below.

[ edited by spikeylover on 2006-05-12 00:46 ]
Old Wounds was the second Spike one-shot.The one about the Black Dahlia.

Lost and Found is the new one that came out this week.About another Gem of Amarra.
That's the one I'm thinking of Buffyfantic.. Spike "LOST AND FOUND".
The Buffyverse, that is. :)

Dark Horse has the rights to the 'Verse.
Dark Horse actually has the rights to Buffy and ilk too. It's just Angel that's gone wayward and onto a much more expensive label... That said, they have been getting decent writers be involved. Peter Allen David is pretty great, enough so that I was willing to blow the extra money on his Illyria one-shot.
I can't wait to see the numbers for Buffy season 8 when Joss puts it out there.
I'm pretty sure these bestsellers are listed by dollar amounts--which would explain how an expensive book like Spike got to the top.

The TransFormers fandom is huge in comics, but IDW sells that book for $2.99 instead of their regular $3.99, so that would explain why the TF books aren't listed higher.

Still, not slighting what the Angel franchise is doing. This bodes well for many more adventures in brooding!
I think these are the bestselling comics from IDW's store and not in general as the bestselling Transformers sold about 45,000 copies while the bestselling Angel comic sold just over 20,000 including reprints.
Yeah I think it's just the figures from their 'shop' but even though by mainstream standards these are pretty low numbers (a big DC or Marvel bestseller may shift around 150-200k for one month - e.g. AXM was around 120k in the last month I checked), so long as IDW are happy with them (and making money) we should continue to get more Angel/Spike/etc. titles which is good news. So, err, yippee ;).
I haven't seen it (DOn't know where to look) but according to the IDW message board one of the editors has said that there's to be another 5 part Spike series this autumn.
There is also something Angel centric coming out in October.From the clue at the forum,it's something Smile Time connected.

Plus there is a Angel/Spike team up miniseries in the fall as well.

[ edited by Buffyfantic on 2006-05-12 13:27 ]
Spike Old Wounds was very good too...and I am loving Spike vs Dracula!!!!

I think the Buffy comics will do well for Joss, but I feel they would do much better if he can somehow get the rights to use Spike and Angel in them as well. These vamps are such a huge part of Buffy's life, it's sad to think they would never get another mention.

I can't say I am really interested in what the Potentials are doing, or Willow and Kennedy or Faith and Wood (blehhh...I did soooo not like that guy!!!!).
And in all honesty...if Buffy is snuggling the Immortal, I think that will pretty much turn me off right there.....

If the movie chances are dwindling the comics may be all we have left for the Verse, so maybe Joss can find a way to continue all the characters stories through the comics. I know it's not the best we hoped for, but it might take some of the pain away. Maybe something could be worked out between the comic companies...as it would benefit them both.
spikeylover and Bufffantic Excellent news!

kathylovesspike I'd settle for IDW getting the rights to Xander and Giles and putting them into the Angel comics instead. I'd like that much more.
I'm sure that Buffy season 8 will do well when it comes out, with Buffy being the wellspring of the fandom. But if Angel, and especially Spike, can't be included, my interest in revisiting the Buffyverse will be greatly diminished.
What happened from what I understand is that Dark Horse let the rights to the Angel characters lapse when Angel was canceled.IDW saw an opportunity there and picked them up.Jeff Marriote was the guy who got the ball rolling.He was Editor and Chief at IDW before going freelance as a writer.So he sort of put the idea in the companies head which Chris Ryall ran with when he took over the Editor and Chief job.

What everybody was hoping for and didn't happen was that Dark Horse was going to let the Buffy rights go when their contract expired at the end of 2005 like they did with the Angel rights at the end of 2004.The industry buzz I heard was that IDW was going to make a play for the Buffy rights and were counting on and expecting Dark Horse to let it go and for a while Dark Horse was going to.What changed,and this was a last minute thing,was Joss agreeing to re-launch the Buffy comics and write some himself.That was the deal breaker.When they got Joss to personally oversee the Buffy comics and write some himself,Dark Horse changed their minds and renewed the Buffy rights.

Unfortunately this leaves the two lines separated at two companies and from what I recently heard,inter-company crossovers have already been nixed.IDW would be open to it but Dark Horse is not interested and un-willing at this time.
Although I am glad that the Buffyverse is being continued by Joss in some form, without Spike, I probably won't buy it, just find out from someone else what happened.

With the added bonus of not having to actually see Buffy snuggle with the Immortal.

By the same token I'm sure there are people who wouldn't touch the Spike comics with a ten-foot pole so it probably all works out.
--Angel comics just didn't sell well for Dark Horse--even the miniseries Joss co-wrote (although that was of course before he become a big name in comics), and that's why Dark Horse let the licence go. Buffy comics, on the other hand, *did* sell, so I don't really believe the Horse was going to ditch that licence. (I've got this from Scott Allie, the editor.)

--Saje, you can't really compare those numbers. AXM is one of the top books right now, and not only is 90% of the top 100 Marvel/DC, but there is an enormous drop-off in numbers after the top 5 or top 10. So jeah, for a smaller publisher, this is great.

--People, so Angel and Spike can't be in Buffy comics. Have we forgotten that for the last four seasons of the show, we only got Angel in some tiny guest spots? That the WB demanded a clear division between the shows when Buffy moved to UPN (which is so ironic now, what with the CW)? Did the show survive? It did. I get that both Angel and especially Spike are popular foils for the Bufster, but have a little faith in the Boss. He's bound to figure out something good.

--Buffyfantic, where did you hear that?
I have total faith in Joss to write a good series for Buffy 8, that's not the issue - ha, comic pun there. ;0) It's just my involvement with the Buffyverse sort of ended with Chosen, although I'd love to see Xander and Giles again.
I'm sure Joss will make something interesting for season 8...but IMHO without Spike...my interest just isn't there.
Others may be all for a Buffy centric S8 story...but I personally am not.
Whatever happens though, I'm think they will appeal to someone....

Maybe we can convince IDW to get more Spike and Angel series going, but I thought the one guy wasn't going to do Angel anymore.
I do see several folks interested in writing Spike ones though...so maybe Joss will give the go ahead for post NFA comics......please.

Lynnie...I kinda like the idea of Xan and Giles seeing Spike again...wonder what their response would be?????
Telltale, yeah, that's kind of my point (that even though the numbers seem low by other bestseller standards they seem to be keeping IDW happy and so long as they're a bestsller by their own measure, we're almost certain to get more comics). Clearly is the way in which I apparently didn't explain it though ;).

kathylovesspike, as far as i'm aware it's only Jeff Mariotte who's said he won't do any more Angel stuff (and Peter David has signed with Marvel so probably won't be doing any more Spike/Angel stuff for the forseeable future) but any other writer can have a go (Scott Tipton for instance). As for Joss' go ahead, do you mean to officially call it canon ? Because 'Angel: Old Friends' is set post NFA so that doesn't seem to be a problem.

Personally, i'm slightly ambivalent about the Buffy Season 8 comics _purely_ because I think 'Chosen' is a pretty hard act to follow but I reckon if anyone can do even better then it's Joss himself and i'll definitely be buying them ('eagerly awaiting' is something of an understatement ;).
Telltail said:
--Angel comics just didn't sell well for Dark Horse--

That's because they didn't have any Spike ;)
"Lynnie...I kinda like the idea of Xan and Giles seeing Spike again...wonder what their response would be?????
kathylovesspike | May 13, 00:13 CET"

I'm thinking "Guh?!" followed by "Huh." and then a little "You didn't write, you didn't call. Yadda, yadda." I really did enjoy the dynamic between those characters, however they were paired together, and I miss that. A lot.
Yeah...I am still pissed at Giles, but I think I could forgive Xander and maybe Rupert if they groveled enough at Spike's feet...

I guess I am just wanting Joss to kinda give some hint to the writers if the comics will be canon or not. Nothing specific maybe...but a general...Spike, Angel, Blue and maybe Gunn survived...would be welcome...and then I guess the writers could take it from there.
I think we kinda have that idea that they did survive, well maybe not Gunn....I am sure Spike and Angel and Illyria did, but maybe if Joss could hint at what he planned for S6...the new writers could expand on that.
I still hope Joss can work out something to use Spike and Angel though....as far as I'm concerned, the Verse is not the same without the vamps, and for me Spike is crucial or I'm not wasting my money.
--Buffyfantic, where did you hear that?
Telltale | May 12, 22:22 CET


Comic shop talk and such.The owner of my store is really into this sort of thing like conventions and such.He goes to a lot of the big ones.He's talked to different people in the field and stuff.Things people hear in the industry.He's a Buffyverse fan himself so you can imagine the conversations we've had over the years.He tries to keep his ear out for any info he can get and it's the industry buzz stuff he hears.


Maybe we can convince IDW to get more Spike and Angel series going, but I thought the one guy wasn't going to do Angel anymore.
I do see several folks interested in writing Spike ones though...so maybe Joss will give the go ahead for post NFA comics......please.


I don't think they need convincing.There are several more Angel and Spike projects in the pipeline and more will be on the way for next year.Jeff Marriote is doing one more Angel thing as revealed in his last interview.It's that Angel project in October that might be Smile Time connected.

Whats lined up so far for the rest of this year is.....

This summer-The rest of the character one-shots which are Gunn,Doyle,Wesley,Conner and the rest of the Spike Vs. Dracula miniseries.

In the fall/winter- A Spike miniseries with him in a asylum based off the image that has been released.A Angel project that looks to be connected in some way to Smile Time.And a Angel/Spike team up miniseries.

So a lot of stuff for the rest of the year and I'm sure even more as we go into 2007.

I don't think the Angel miniseries at Dark Horse did not sell well because of a lack of Spike.I think the Dark Horse Buffyverse books were starting to go on the downword swing at that time anyway.A lot of it was timing.

Angel:The Curse for IDW sold great and there was no Spike or any other of the supporting cast there.

Right now there is a hunger for Buffyverse comics because the shows are no longer in production and have been over for a few years.There is a craving for more stories and this is filling some of that.I think the Buffy season 8 comics are going to sell great just like the Angel side of things are doing well for IDW.

I guess I am just wanting Joss to kinda give some hint to the writers if the comics will be canon or not. Nothing specific maybe...but a general...Spike, Angel, Blue and maybe Gunn survived...would be welcome...and then I guess the writers could take it from there.
I think we kinda have that idea that they did survive, well maybe not Gunn....I am sure Spike and Angel and Illyria did, but maybe if Joss could hint at what he planned for S6...the new writers could expand on that.
I still hope Joss can work out something to use Spike and Angel though....as far as I'm concerned, the Verse is not the same without the vamps, and for me Spike is crucial or I'm not wasting my money.
kathylovesspike | May 13, 02:51 CET


Well Joss already said that these season 8 comics will be canon.But they are Buffy specific.And I think that we can take from the Angel comics that Angel,Spike,Illyria and even Gunn survived.That sort of thing had to have Joss's approval.

This is speculation but it might be that Joss himself doesn't want the Angelverse side of things directly involved at this time and Dark Horse is simply backing what he wants.

[ edited by Buffyfantic on 2006-05-13 03:43 ]
Buffyfantic said:
I don't think the Angel miniseries at Dark Horse did not sell well because of a lack of Spike.I think the Dark Horse Buffyverse books were starting to go on the downword swing at that time anyway.A lot of it was timing.

Regarding timing, we're further out from the verse now than we were then. If they'd had any decent Spike, I think it may have kept them from having a downward swing.

Angel:The Curse for IDW sold great and there was no Spike or any other of the supporting cast there.

Yes, after most of the Spike fans had become Angel fans as well :)

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