Whedonesque : Comments on 10661 : Fan made Spike TV movie credits.

Ryan Reynolds? Thank you, but no thank you.

The easy guide on getting fangirls behind you; promise them a naked James Marsters at the start of every episode.

This is the day that we are suppose to send out post cards.

Yes ...Teep had posted that we really need to maximize the cards sent to the targets, so I hope everyone will at least send a few to each target.

kathylovesspike | June 20, 15:39 CET

Ryan Reynolds? Okaaaay!

Personally I'd much rather have seen Hugh Jackman as the surprise 'vampire hunter' actor type at the end of the credits. Now he knows how to slay a vampire, amongst other creatures, hehe. Van Helsing is such a great movie.

Enjoyable enough credit sequence although if it were me I'd probably have used a lot punkier sounding music. I just can't relate that awful computerized, techno sounding, not-actually-music-just-meaningless-sound rubbish to a guy like Spike who obviously has so much better taste in music. Anyone who likes the Ramones deserves respect, in my humble opinion. :)

WhedonTrivia | June 20, 15:44 CET

I thought it was very well done. I was hoping it the big surprise at the end would be Andrew. Oh well.

alexreager | June 20, 17:13 CET

Ryan Reynolds originally auditioned for the part of Xander. Apparently.

gossi | June 20, 17:15 CET

Van Helsing is such a great movie.

??

Grounded | June 20, 17:15 CET

I thought Van Helsing was as good as Underworld. Oh yes.

gossi | June 20, 17:23 CET

Haha, Hannibal King in the Buffyverse, I didn't see that one coming.

That was good, asides from the theme tune that didn't suit Spike at all, and I'd liked to have seen a couple more cast members.

whosflyingthisthing? | June 20, 17:33 CET

I loved all the videos and give great credit to their creative makers. If I am not a great big puddle of tears at the thought of no Spike movie,it is only because the fan fic writers and video artists keep me going.
Nonetheless,my postcards are in the mail. :D

Berry | June 20, 17:33 CET

I always thought a sex pistols-ish rendition of 'early one morning' would make a fitting theme song for Spike.

Tycho | June 20, 17:38 CET

Just a thought: do TV movies ever actually have opening credit montages?...

Grounded | June 20, 17:40 CET

Not generally, Grounded - but the advertising for a TV movie would be similar to an opening credit montage.

Loiosh | June 20, 17:43 CET

I loved them all too Berry....and I feel your pain. I just pray that all the fantastic fanfic and Spike vids will continue.
I have some hope for Spike centric comics to continue to be written by many authors, but hope that Joss can work something out to use Spike in his comics as well.
That said...my cards are on thier way too.....

kathylovesspike | June 20, 17:53 CET

*sniff* Seeing all these videos just reminded me how much I miss Spike and the rest of the 'verse. Send those postcards!!!

killinj | June 20, 17:55 CET

Hey, less of the Van Helsing disrespect! That movie rocked!

Although the fact that I also really loved Underworld may give you a basic idea of the kind of vampire/horror movie I seem to enjoy. ;)

WhedonTrivia | June 20, 18:00 CET

If I had the software/talent/energy to make a Spike credits sequence, I might use Iggy Pop's "Lust For Life"...

Craig Oxbrow | June 20, 18:05 CET

I was just learning how to vid when I made my clip, but I'm still as cheesy as ever.

I appreciate Spike's humor, but opted for the serious because Fury hinted an after-apocolypse kind of situation in season six of ATS.

Anyway, it's not listed here, but one of the great Spike trailers that is hilariously funny is Holly Gilmore's "LAME"..

spikeylover | June 20, 18:22 CET

"If I had the software/talent/energy to make a Spike credits sequence, I might use Iggy Pop's "Lust For Life"..."

GOOD choice! :)

WhedonTrivia | June 20, 18:24 CET

Don't mean to be a party poop, but if Joss would add anything to the Buffyverse, Spike is the last character I would like to see in an own movie/series. I'm not sure if I would even care to watch it or follow it on TV. But then again; if Mercedes and Amy were in it, I would watch it just for them.

fran | June 20, 19:37 CET

Haha, great fun, even though I'd rather not see Ryan Reynolds in anything.

And, gossi, saying that Van Helsing is as good as Underworld means that both are terrible, terrible movies, right?

...Right?

UnpluggedCrazy | June 20, 19:42 CET

Unfortunately for you, fran, you would be in a fairly small (but occasionally vocal) minority of the Buffyverse fanbase who don't want to see more of Spike. I think it's fair to say that probably 85% of the fans either absolutely love the character or at least like him enough to want to see some future tales of his misadventures.

Being a really big Spike fan I'm clearly biased but there was no way that any project like this was going to happen without Spike playing a part. Whilst other characters may have a large fanbase of their own and merit further development (Illyria, Giles, Willow and Faith are all obvious examples) only Spike shared the kind of promotion and merchandising that Buffy and Angel achieved. The character, like him or loathe him, easily became the third most recognisable face of the Buffyverse and will always be the first option and most likely candidate for future stories. At least until James Marsters decides that he is past playing the role anyway.

oh, and ...

"And, gossi, saying that Van Helsing is as good as Underworld means that both are terrible, terrible movies, right?"

WRONG!!!!! Sooooo very wrong! :p

WhedonTrivia | June 20, 19:48 CET

Van Helsing was a movie I really wanted to like, but it just... sucked too much. Believe me, I'm all for big stupid fun... as long as it's actually, you know, fun, as opposed to excruiciating. C'est la ve, I guess.

And a theme song for Spike? Lust for Life IS awesome, but I feel Anarchy in the UK is a bit more to type. Though maybe that's TOO obvious. Something the audience doesn't expect then. Er, um, er, Aha - Take on Me. Beauuuuuutiful.

SlackJawedVampireHunter | June 20, 20:19 CET

I expected Van Helsing to stink so I went in expecting big dumb stupid and thus got some measure of enjoyment out of it. Underworld interested me in theory, but I fell asleep everytime I watched (1 and 2) at home and in the theatre. I think I nodded off during Van Helsing, too, so... And, no, I'm not just narcoleptic :)

zeitgeist | June 20, 20:27 CET

Here is, exclusively on Whedonesque, the script of Van Hesling:

"
Open to a DARK LAND of CGI with HOT CGI WOMEN sweeping in shot.

CHARACTERS NAME WHO DOESN'T MATTER
My god, the vampires, they're killing us...

The camera blurs as some COOL CGI shows us POINTLESS CHARACTER 4 DYING.
"

There's a few pages missing from the script, but I think there's enough to fill in what happens. It's something to do with CGI and Hugh Jackman.

Underworld is basically the same, except they have the worlds worst mythology layered on top. You've got a female character who's pretty and got guns - how can you possibly go wrong with that? Well - in my opinion - that film serves as the step by step guide on how not to build an interesting film. I'd love to have seen Underworld done by Joss, or Jim Cameron. Seriously. Those guys make interesting, cool films (hello, Aliens?!).

gossi | June 20, 20:35 CET

zeitgeist, you wouldn't also happen to be known as Comedy Dave from the Chris Moyles Breakfast Show on Radio 1, would you? He has the uncanny ability to not be able to sit through an entire movie without nodding off at least once too, hehe.

As for Van Helsing and Underworld, I actually loved the tackiness and unbelievable lack of plot quality of both movies (haven't seen Underworld 2 yet) so in a way I both agree with all your opinions whilst strongly disagreeing too. I do think that gossi is being particularly unfair in that previous comment though. Neither Van Helsing or Underworld pretend to be anything more than they are. In fact they revel in being exactly the sort of movie that gossi described, which is what I loved about them. All I know is that I've enjoyed both movies each time I've seen them, a fact that will hopefully hold true for Underworld 2 as well. As long as you go into that kind of movie not really caring about a strong story and happy to be entertained by ninety minutes of mindless evil creature slaughtering fun then they will suit you just fine.

Kate Beckinsale in black leather has absolutely nothing to do with my opinion, honest! :)

WhedonTrivia | June 20, 20:45 CET

Wasn't David Fury involved with a Van Helsing spin-off T.V. series NBC was developing around the time the movie was coming out?

Buffyfantic | June 20, 20:50 CET

Neither Van Helsing or Underworld pretend to be anything more than they are. In fact they revel in being exactly the sort of movie that gossi described, which is what I loved about them.

Van Helsing maybe, but Underworld definitely had pretensions of depth.

Grounded | June 20, 21:18 CET

zeitgeist, you wouldn't also happen to be known as Comedy Dave from the Chris Moyles Breakfast Show on Radio 1, would you? He has the uncanny ability to not be able to sit through an entire movie without nodding off at least once too, hehe.

Hehe :) Nope, aside from those two I don't normally fall asleep during movies. I didn't expect too much from either of them, although I expected more from Underworld than Van Helsing . I don't think its untrue to see Underworld had pretenses of being more 'deep' than Van Helsing.

p.s. -- gossi's script was too long :)

zeitgeist | June 20, 21:20 CET

My scripts are always too long. It's a thing.

Van Helsing is obviously a monster movie, in the classic Universal sense. That said, it's not a monster movie I particularly remember much of (maybe I did a zeitgeist?), so for me it didn't really work.

I thought Underworld had potential. It's very much a genre piece. Can you imagine Underworld with the script ditched under control of JW? I might have actually remembered what happened then.

gossi | June 20, 21:44 CET

I think that Underworld (much like Queen of the Damned) did somethings very right and some things very wrong. Which gave them both potential, but ultimately killed them when viewing the movie as a whole. I will still watch both of these movies and enjoy them for what they do deliver, but I just can't put Van Helsing in the same category.

No disrespect to Primeval, but I felt that Van Helsing was one of the worst things to not go straight to DVD, and I had to physically force myself to finish watching that movie. If they had gone the way of the old monster movies and made it silent with just music and the occasional cut away to black screen and dialogue, then I probably would be able to give it credit for being different. As it stands, it just makes me wish I could get those 2 hours back.

deathisyourart | June 20, 22:09 CET

Primeval said:

I just can't relate that awful computerized, techno sounding, not-actually-music-just-meaningless-sound rubbish to a guy like Spike who obviously has so much better taste in music. Anyone who likes the Ramones deserves respect, in my humble opinion. :)

Those tastes in music are not actually mutually exclusive. The Ramones are my favorite band, but I also like techno. Still, although I liked the music in the first trailer, I agree it didn't fit for Spike.

My favorite of the trailers was the second one. It had the good sense to use a song Spike loves, and it had my favorite cast out of any of the four linked here. I especially like the inclusion of Faith and Willow; if the Buffyverse movies are at death's door, it would be an easier sell if it's just one film, rather than the four or five that Joss had thought up early.

The third trailer was far too melodramatic and didn't have anyone else besides Spike. And the fourth one was completely disrepectful to Angel. "And a special guest appearance by the cast of Angel"? Please.

The best part of these trailers was that it reminded me to send my postcard.

alpha5099 | June 20, 23:07 CET

Alpha5099, that trailer wasn't disrepectful of Angel, the movie was supposed to be about Spike, not Angel. It would have been Spike's story being told.

sethsky | June 20, 23:49 CET

I loved Van Helsing, if only to see Hugh Jackman! Yeah it may not be one of the best films made but it was still about werewolves and vampires, so that makes it cool in my book!!

Rebel | June 21, 02:43 CET

sethsky, I meant the series, not the character. The characters were relegated to a "Special Guest Appearance" while Buffy characters predominated the trailer.

alpha5099 | June 21, 03:21 CET

I didn't think the last trailer was disrespectful at all.
In fact I kinda liked all of them and thought some very talented folks did a bang up job...maybe even movie worthy. Plus I agree with sethsky...a Spike movie isn't supposed to be about Angel. If anything, mentioning a special guest appearence by the cast of Angel IMHO indicated an honor...not a slight.

kathylovesspike | June 21, 03:25 CET

It's just one interpretation. I did it a LONG while back, before we knew Illyria and Gunn would be in it. I didn't seriously think SMG or David would be there anyway, I was just playing with what I'd like to see as a fan of Spuffy.

I'll always think of Spike as more of a Buffy character since he was there for years. Didn't mean any disrespect, though.

spikeylover | June 21, 04:36 CET

I loved your vid Spikey...and I think most folks consider Spike a BTVS character more than and ATS one anyway.

kathylovesspike | June 21, 05:13 CET

Really, really loved the vid, Spikey. I've seen it before, but I'm having trouble running it with the above link. It keeps stopping and starting--and I want to watch it. A lot.

Also enjoyed "LAME"--and the others linked here. Thanks to all for these. They're the only way, these days, I can get my Spike fix. Comics are just barely okay. I wants me my JM walkin' & talkin'. *Sigh.*

And I sent four postcards to each of the three we were supposed to target. Didn't have time or I'd have done more.

C'mon peeps! There's still time, at least on the mainland US, to send more cards.

Oops. Getting in my cheerleading, fangurl mode again. Sorry. But still, please send cards.

Thank you.

SangChaud | June 21, 08:13 CET

Agreed, Spike will always be a Buffy character in my eyes.
I do wonder however, what Joss was planning for the Spike character in his movie. Since we're now pretty certain that it's not going to happen, maybe someday he might mention what the storyline was supposed to be.

sethsky | June 21, 14:09 CET

I have to say, one good reason to shanshu Spike in my vid is because that tree in COOL MONEY and the white building matched the scene in RESTLESS somewhat.. The problem? --it was set outside in the daylight. ;)

Why is Spike wearing a suit? Um...um..He's shaved his head and is working undercover, trying to find what became of his missing comrades after the Apocolypse. Like I said, I was pretty new at computer vidding when I made that.

spikeylover | June 21, 18:57 CET

All of these were fun. It have been a while since I watched them (in my dimension an hour is like a day) so I cannot comment specifically anymore.

I also did not see disrespect in Spikeylover's vid. "An appearance by" is a commonly used promotion tool used to highlight a cameo or short appearance by someone who is considered very popular.

BTW spikylover, I've said it before, but I really like a lot of your vids. You have done some fine work.

newcj | June 21, 23:33 CET

Yeah seriously Van Hesling was abyssmal. It barely made sense, and the ending only made it worse. I wanted to like Underworld, but found the whole experience underwhelming. Now on to the clip...

Not bad, but I thought the Angel season 6 clip was better. That one actually made me long for more Angel, and I didn't even LIKE Angel that much (sorry, but season 1 was bad, season 2 was bad except for Pylea, season 3 was ok, season 4 was maddening, and season 5 was a disappointment except for Smile Time). But Hannibal King?

Oh Ryan Reynolds...I liked you when you were jerking off your dog to make canolli. I liked you when you asked Kumar "Marijuana? But WHY?" I even liked you when you went psycho and murdered your whole family (or whatever the Amityville plot was...never saw it). But when you called that chick from "Josie and the Pussycats" a "horse-humping thunder c--t," that was when you went to far. Seriously, why would anyone want to bring an element from such a garbage movie as Blade 3 into as well written a world as the Buffyverse? What good could that serve (and yes, it was probably done as a joke)? To all Bostonians- see you Friday at Coolidge Corner for Serenity?

BoltRider | June 22, 01:45 CET

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