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July 22 2006

Done The Impossible goes BitTorrent download. And a legal torrent at that - "..because modern copyrights are so restrictive, nobody dares do anything that *might* infringe on somebody's oh so holy copyright. Thus, we have chosen to not go down that road with our documentary. Enjoy it, share it, re-mix it all you like!". Torrent - here. Buy the DVD with extras, etc - here.

Uh, I can't get it to download!
You'll need a BitTorrent client (there's an official client at http://www.bittorrent.com/ ) to handle the download. Bittorrent is a peer-to-peer system, an alternative to downloading it from a dedicated server. Perfect for a grass-roots movement like this.
I would be downloading this like *that* if it wasn't in the horrible .mov format. Would it be okay for someone to rip the DVD and redistribute it in a Xvid format? I only mean the actual documentary, that they are offering - the other stuff, the extras, should remain, um, for money.
I wanted to clarify, some of the logic behind our releasing DTI via P2P. First we *are* big believers in the concepts of Creative Commons. But mostly we figured it was only a matter of hours before somebody released an unofficial .torrent. So if somebody whas going to release it, it might as well be us. And this way we have greater control over what was released.

That being said, this is just the movie at a slightly reduced resolution, the full DVD contains 5+ hours of additional interviews, over 5000 synced and searchable events, interactive timeline, tribute to Lux, the full resolution movie and much much more. So if you pre-ordered and are feeling a bit unnerved by this release, please realize you are getting much more.

And if you download the bittorrent, and enjoyed it, please pick up the DVD sometime. Thanks. Jeremy
Hey, what's wrong with QuickTime. You'll note the quality vs file size I was able to achieve, I think it was at least as good as Xvid.

I'm okay with an Xvid rip, but make sure it's high quality and I would prefer it be no larger than 480 x 360. And make sure the text file explanation/licensing document is included. If you are patient, I'll do the Xvid version from the uncompressed source myself when I get back from Comic Con. Thanks, Jeremy.

[edit] Actually now that I think about it, I'd rather nobody do a DVD rip release, we have a watermark in the release we made that reminds people about the full DVD. I'd rather you all wait for me to encode our source as Xvid. Technically I can't stop you, but that would be our preference.

[ edited by JeremyN on 2006-07-22 16:54 ]
This is a great idea Jeremy (though maybe people wouldn't be so quick to pirate this given that it's really for fans).

Gonna get the file and if it tickles my fancy i'll be ordering the DVD (seems a good idea to support this kind of thing to show the big guys that P2P isn't necessarily the enemy).

(for those new to BitTorrent, Azureus is also a nice client, BTW - link here)
I'm looking at putting up a streaming version on the Serenity website. It's curious, as to be honest I probably wouldn't have ordered Done The Impossible myself as the trailers put me off a bit - that said, actually watching the first 20 minutes means I'll pick up a copy. It's exceptionally well put together.
Jeremy, how are you shipping the DVDs out, btw? UPS or USPS?
Jeremy, you rock. The documentary is pretty awesome. It was really nice to be able to put faces with names. As was said, this is like a family reunion of people I've never met face to face.

You & yours did a wonderful, wonderful job. I really cannot say enough good things about this. Plus distributing the documentary as you did was a really nice touch. I've watched it twice and there are still times I get a little misty-eyed. Looking forward to all the goodies in the full set, I'm sure they are superb as well.
So who all has seen it then?

I wouldn't knowing if the following gets a mention. And with out further ado here's my potted sort of secret guide to the Firefly fandom.

1) The Buffy/Angel fans tuning in to see Firefly cause Joss was behind it.
2) The urban myth that the Firefly DVD and the fandom led to the Serenity being greenlit.
3) The extensive charity work carried out by Firefly fans.
4) Joss stunning the fandom by announcing at Whedonesque that Serenity would be shown in September not April.
5) The fairly pofaced Save Wash campaign.
6) The adoption of the term Browncoat as a word for a Firefly fan.
7) Ace Underhill's Fireflyseason2 and Browncoatsriseagain and how these campaigns caused ruptions and bitterness in the fandom.
8) The fandom art (particulary 11th Hours) which was far superior anything Universal USA could come up with.
9) Old fans and new fans - how they bonded.
10) The extensive efforts made by the Save Firefly people.
11) The grumblings about the official Serenity movie site.
12) How the Firefly DVD has been a top seller.
13) The vehemence that still is directed towards Fox for cancelling Firefly.
14) The controversial argument that the Firefly/Serenity fandom is masculine whereas the Buffy/Angel fandom is feminine.
15) The strong sense of community that the fandom has.
1) The Buffy/Angel fans tuning in to see Firefly cause Joss was behind it.

Well, duh.


2) The urban myth that the Firefly DVD and the fandom led to the Serenity being greenlit.


Uhm, I doubt Done The Impossible does much to quash that. Having said that, it doesn't outright claim this is the case either, like some of the official marketing material did.


3) The extensive charity work carried out by Firefly fans.


That's pretty much covered. Jessica from Equality Now also gets interviewed.


4) Joss stunning the fandom by announcing at Whedonesque that Serenity would be shown in September not April.


Nope


5) The fairly pofaced Save Wash campaign.


Thankfully not.


6) The adoption of the term Browncoat as a word for a Firefly fan.


I don't think that's actually explained, but presuming your target audience is entirely Browncoats it shouldn't matter.


7) Ace Underhill's Fireflyseason2 and Browncoatsriseagain and how these campaigns caused ruptions and bitterness in the fandom.


Thankfully not.


8) The fandom art (particulary 11th Hours) which was far superior anything Universal USA could come up with.


It's mentioned, shown and 11th is there for the odd interview soundbite.

9) Old fans and new fans - how they bonded.

The focus is almost entirely on people who saw the show from the beginning.

10) The extensive efforts made by the Save Firefly people.

Surprisingly, although this is covered, I thought it gave the impression other people had ran the campaign.


11) The grumblings about the official Serenity movie site.


Nope. Fox's lackluster online marketing gets a mention, though.

12) How the Firefly DVD has been a top seller.

Check. Although just mentioned as hundreds of thousands of copies, not the Amazon thing etc - which is a good thing.


13) The vehemence that still is directed towards Fox for cancelling Firefly.


That's very evident.


14) The controversial argument that the Firefly/Serenity fandom is masculine whereas the Buffy/Angel fandom is feminine.


I've never heard that one before. Whoever decided that needs to eat toast.


15) The strong sense of community that the fandom has.


Covered well.
I've spread the word to a couple of message board I frequent. I ordered the DVD last night and now my Azureus is up and running hauling down the electronic copy.
Jeremey, wll you still be selling the DVD next week lol? I want to order it then.
I ordered my DVD copy a few days ago, my laptop is downloading the file, the air conditioner's cranking, the pets are on the couch with me, the partner's in the next room working, and while all may not be right with the world, my little piece of it is looking pretty shiny. Makes up for the fact that I'm not a little farther south at the Marvel booth waiting for the Boss & his pink mesh backpack, or watching the movie there with a bunch o' fellow Browncoats. (It would be interesting to know the first recorded use of this fan-name.)

Simon: "14) The controversial argument that the Firefly/Serenity fandom is masculine whereas the Buffy/Angel fandom is feminine."


Had not heard this one, but would have to see some hard-but-fairly-ungatherable stats to buy this. (I love the fact that the online world of avatars and screennames allows folks to genderbend at will -- although I am in fact a gal.)

As a self-proclaimed feminist, I find it ironical in the extreme when folks (not referring to simon or gossi) want to mix it up on this topic in the Whedon -'verse. For me, the sight of River kicking Reaver-ass towards the end of "Serenity" was as big a charge as all potentials sharing the Slayage-power at the end of Buffy. This is just one among many, many other instances that allow a female entrance into the world of Firefly/Serenity, just as there are, I think, many instances of the reverse in the Buffy/Angel world. My other Buffy-fan friends are all men. And that's the he and the she of it.

Many thanks to JeremyN and the other folks at "Done the Impossible" for allowing us to download it before we get our hard copies.

[ edited by QuoterGal on 2006-07-22 23:08 ]
Holy crap! Browncoats must sit on some hefty DSL-lines. My download just skyrocketed to 800kb/s. Ready for viewing in 5 minutes!

Wohoo!! [/Homer]

Hail and approbation to Jeremy, lord of fandom and leader of all!
I can actually give hard stats on the Browncoat gender divide 'thing', as I collected them on the Browncoat US board when it was set up. The first few weeks it was almost an exact 50/50 split, occasionally erring on the side of female. Which, in space science fiction, I've never seen before. After the first few weeks, it started to drift to 60% male, 40% female. I think females account for at least 50% of the hardcore online Firefly/Serenity fandom.

Also, whenever I've been to any UK related Serenity type things, there have been some very pretty girls and boys. Fireflyverse's strength was it's broad appeal. Go to something like Star Trek fandom, and it's very much male bias.
My favorite part was the fella at the beginning. Where he was talking about working 10 hour days and the stresses of life, then "he got emotional." I could feel where he was coming from.
Ooch, acushlas, but it's taking fair forever to download this. Though I've got a fast wireless connection & oodles of room, I think I'm hampered by the fact that I only just today downloaded the BitTorrent client on my (new-to-me) laptop & have nothing to share. I'm about 1/10th done and tapping my little foot impatiently...

Thanks, gossi, for the info on the gender make-up of the Browncoats US board -- with absolutely nothing to go on but my own anecdotal experience, that feels more like right to me.

Gaack. Bloody hours remaining -- but much less time than waiting for my DVD, so, as Pollyana used to say, we can at least be glad for that.
I think females account for at least 50% of the hardcore online Firefly/Serenity fandom.


Where are the female BFNs? Off hand I can only think of two or three whereas there seems to be far more male BFNs. The Buffy/Angel fandom hierarchy was predominantly female. To me, there's a highly noticeable difference.
It depends - what's a BFN?
Do you mean BNF's simon because I am not sure what a BFN is either.
What's a BNF?

This internet thing. You MySpace youngesters! Next you'll be telling me this place is a blog, not a forum.
Okay, so not Benign Familial Neonatal Seizures, Bug Fixing News, Bidding For New, Bye For Now, Beam Forming Networks, or the airport code for Bloemfontein, South Africa. Am I getting warm?
Somebody act out what it is. I'll go all sarcastic and Chandler with my answers. Not that I do that anyway.
Big Nothing Failures? :p
I have no idea how to get this to work. I thought I had downloaded something to see bittorrent stuff, but it was a long time ago...

I can't deal tonight. Maybe tomorrow.

Thanks for the thought though. I'm sure it is great.
BNF stands for Big Name Fan
Oh, garda39, thank you, thank you. It's nagging unknowns like this that keep me on the web ADAAN (All Day And All Night.)

Here's a wikipedia link -- Now I'm off to find some self-avowed BNFs for Fluffy and Bangle... er, I mean Buffy and Angel.
The FF: AA people were female, the people who run the UK site now are female, the Oz site person is female, and two of the 3 US site admins are female.

The concept of BNF's is going to amuse me for a week, also. This is like the time somebody asked me for an autograph, and I burst out laughing and walked off, presuming they were joking. They weren't, unfortunately.
Ooh, according to wikipedia, you can't be a "self-avowed" BNF -- it must be bestowed:

"Ideally, a BNF is an intelligent, well-spoken individual who earns the respect of other fans. BNFs may have their autographs requested at conventions; they are often paid to speak as convention guests. One cannot proclaim oneself to be a BNF, as to do so might invite derision or ridicule."

gossi, does the autograph-thingy mean that you're a BNF? And, if so, are you a Buffy/Angel BNF, a FF/S BNF, or both or neither or what?

Inquiring minds...
I'm a person, with two testicles (currently) and floppy hair.

On a more serious note, no. I ran a bunch of Serenity sites. And one of the larger Buffy UK sites back in the day.

I will, however, be releasing my greatest hits CD next week. It's fab!
Well, if you're not a BNF (and I think you may have forgotten to mention a gajillion tormented password-seekers over at http://fans.gonersmovie.com,) then I'm gonna have to take what you say with the proverbial grain of salt. 'Cause now that I know about them, I'm all about the BNFs, my friend.

I think we should be able to download your greatest hits on BitTorrent (see how I brought this back On Topic?)

Glad (I think) to hear about the testicles.
I haven't seen any convention recordings before so I don't know how this compares but I assume most convention recordings simply record panel discussions* and call it a day. But here, it looks like a lot of care went into editing a variety of material. There are sit-down interviews with several of the actors and some production people, but not Joss Whedon himself (he was recorded on the convention floor), interspersed with fan content. Lots of fan content.

Even with the superb editing I think ultimately this is a souvenir for people who went to conventions, more than a scholarly examination of the series and film that might interest the "film documentary-loving" audience. And that's fine. The Screenwriting Expo's DVD of Joss speaking of the art of writing serves the academic function already.

Done The Impossible serves the niche of convention goers (and would-have-been convention goers) who want to remember the moment when the series became a film (and then became a memory -- though that last bit isn't included so much).

*note: panel discussions from the convention(s) this was taped at are not included, at least not in the short version I downloaded. The rights to that kind of footage were likely held by the convention sponsors. The sit-down interviews with the actors is a fine substitute.
14) The controversial argument that the Firefly/Serenity fandom is masculine whereas the Buffy/Angel fandom is feminine.


This is the only one you mentioned that I'd never heard about. From my experience, females dominate both fandoms. This theory is based on all the shindigs I've been to, and the Buffy fan groups I've been a member of on line.
with two testicles (currently)

Yep, it's worth hedging on that cos you just never know ;).

Re: greatest hits CD, if there's any Wurzels covers on it then I am so there.

It seems to me that actual BNFs by which I mean (with no offence to BNFs) fans with big names are fairly evenly split. Shane Black springs to mind (he said in interview that Buffy was his favourite contemporary TV show) and among writers in general i'd say there's at least as many male fans as female. Of course, that could be because there's more male writers so the stats are ripe for skewage.

On here i'd say again there seem to be as many male Buffy/Angel fans as female though a) that's anecdotal and b) again skew potential as I guess it's possible male fans are more vocal and so more likely to post comments (the top of the page has the board at 4551 members but obviously only a small subset of that post regularly). Possibly event attendance is similarly skewed the other way ?

I did notice at a cinema advanced preview (i.e. a couple of days before general release, not the fan screenings) for 'Serenity' that the audience was about 50/50. Very unusual for a sci-fi film and very, very unusual for an advanced preview (these weren't women that'd been dragged along by their SOs). Gave me a warm fuzzy ;).
I will, however, be releasing my greatest hits CD next week. It's fab!


So, I guess the next question is: Gossi, being a BNF and all, do you need any groupies?
I'm just askin'...
; )
By the way, I'm watching my bitTorrent DTI right now because though I've already ordered it--and receieved my confirmation e-mail (squeeeee!)--I can't wait.
And as soon as I stop crying, I'll watch it again.

[ edited by AmazonGirl on 2006-07-23 19:23 ]
FYI, other "Done the Impossible" discussions can be found here (at FireflyFans.net) and here (at SerenityMovie.org).
Okay, I couldn't wait either, and I just finished watching the download. It was moving and sweet -- I found just about everyone entirely endearing. The whole thing was pretty inspiring.

There were a bunch o' notable moments, so I'll just mention a couple I especially liked (of course, all moments with Joss were simply enchanting.)

As a graphic artist, I really got it when Serenity graphic artist Geoffrey Mandel talked about the thrill he felt when his Serenity logo appeared full-screen at the movie's beginning: "Look at me, I'm your logo... (I'm still tingly.)" He was just so dear.

And in the wryest, most self-aware & Joss-quote-related understatement of the year, this in the acknowledgements at the end of the movie:

"And a special thanks to Joss Whedon... for not sucking."

I'm looking forward to receiving my DVD. I'd like to thank the "Done the Impossible" creators, Joss Whedon, the cast & crew of "Firefly" & "Serenity" and Browncoats everywhere for not sucking.
I'd like to thank me for not sucking.. much.
Again, gossi, I think you may have forgotten about a gajillion tormented password-seekers over at http://fans.gonersmovie.com.

Oh, er, um... you meant the other kind, didn't you? Oh, well, put me on the short bus and send me off to clueless school.

Well, at least you've got the two testiclays thingies, so there's that. Oh, nevermind...
Okay, I shall stop posting as I'm weirding myself out now. I've no idea what I'm on about, but it sounds kinda creepy.

I need to change my online name to Capt'Jack Sparrow.
I was going to ask if you need any particular software installed to downloand and play a Torrent file (on a Mac), but I seem to have wandered into the middle of a discussion of gossi's Captain Jack Sparrow's testicles, and his condition of not sucking much. (This is getting worse and worse, no matter how many times I try retyping it.) Not sure what the proper thing to say here is, so, er, "well done, gossi me matey, yo ho sir"? ;-)
gossi, I'm there with ya, pal. There's a fine line... well, you know what I mean.

billz, I'm on a mac (as were the makers of "Done the Impossible") & you do need to have the BitTorrent client installed --I downloaded it for OSX yesterday from here opened it, and clicked on the download link above & it started downloading immediatement. It was sweet.

Yeah, we got all weird about balls here -- for me, I'll blame the L.A. heat because it's the Hottest. Day. Ever.
Oh, and I played the downloaded .mov file on Quicktime.
"Oh, and I played the downloaded .mov file on Quicktime."

What .mov file? From where?

I downloaded the OSX version from Quotergal's link, and it is doing something so, thanks. It looks like it will take a while to figure out what exactly it is doing but I am going to assume a happy ending until I am proven otherwise. ;-)

...And I had a talk with my 10 year old son about testicles today. Weird. 'Course my discussion was kind of an early puberty discussion with a strong suggestion that he should take an opportunity to discuss the specifics of how his body is changing with one of the men in the family. I doubt that that is similar to most of the rest of the crowd here somehow, but you can correct me if I'm wrong...
newcj: "What .mov file? From where?"


newcj, I'm sorry -- didn't mean to be unclear. In my post just above, I had forgotten to answer the second part of billz' question:

"... play a Torrent file (on a Mac)..."


The "Done the Impossible" BitTorrent file is in .mov format, which, on my mac, I watched on Quicktime.

There, now, as [SPOILER] Marnie says after she shoots her horse.

Apropos of nothing other than the fact that I'm just now reading "Serenity: The Official Visual Companion," I have to share this from one of Joss's pre-production Mee-mos, this one on the music he's imagining for the movie. He's talking about the different, subtle musical influences that could influence the score:

"Eastern scale patterns inevitably hit blue notes and minor threads and that's what makes a melody stick. (Hope from despair, see. Hope without despair is John Phillips Souza -- it makes your teeth ache.)

God, I think that's just spot on, and funny. So much good Joss in the interview and Mee-mos.
Thanks for the link and instructions, QuoterGal! :-)
So when does the DVD begin to ship? I was h oping to have it prior to thursday so I can give my friend his copy.

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