Can you really argue with the creator of the series before the series even takes off?
Or maybe I misread and this isn't a brand new show?
Excuse me for saying this but it seems rather egotistic of her.
IMO, a creator creates and a show runner makes it all happen for the creator, just like he/she wanted. Isn't that right? What am I missing here?

cheryl | August 09, 16:42 CET

A writer can't commit to something she or he doesn't feel strongly about. Fair play to Marti for knowing when she isn't going to be able to do the work she wants to do. A creative artist HAS to draw that line. Conflict on direction seldom serves a show...

Kentonist | August 09, 16:47 CET

Cheryl, it says they disagreed with the "direction" of the show. Wikipedia isn't always accurate, but it says this:

"Creatively, a show runner will decide the direction that the series will take. If he or she is not the actual originator of the show, this will usually be done in concert with the creator. The show runner will have to plan out the individual episodes and how they relate to the season in production and the ongoing series."

Therefore, it seems that if the show runner and creator don't agree, the series won't go far or is doomed to failure. Probably the right move.

[ edited by MySerenity on 2006-08-09 14:52 ]

MySerenity | August 09, 16:52 CET

Yes, Marti is likely correct to leave. During Angel season 4, for example, they had hired a new show runner to replace Tim Minear (he had moved to Firefly). Unfortunately, nobody involved saw eye to eye, and he departed after a short period for 'creative reasons'.

gossi | August 09, 16:55 CET

I think it's very wise of Marti to leave, this show has had 'failure to thrive' written all over it from the start.

ramses 2 | August 09, 17:08 CET

Well, that's still a remarkably strong cast, and Ken Olin is a strong veteran producer. Even without Marti, I'll give it a shot, though I'm glad she departed if she didn't feel strongly about the project.
ETA: How many times can I fit "strong" into that comment? Caution, people: this is what happens when you make the switch from "strong" coffee to green tea ;)

[ edited by greentara on 2006-08-09 17:12 ]

greentara | August 09, 19:11 CET

I'd rather have seen it with Betty Buckley and the LaPaglia brother. Whoa. I'm not even sure what it's about but I do know Baitz is a celebrated playwright so perhaps it will be good.

[ edited by Tonya J on 2006-08-09 17:23 ]

Tonya J | August 09, 19:22 CET

It's got a great cast, but buzz is that it's not very good. She's probably doing the right thing.

spikeylover | August 09, 20:03 CET

Cheryl, a creator can just be a person with a good idea without the skills/experience to bring that idea to fruition, or a person with a good idea who does. When a person doesn't have those skills/experience, sometimes someone is brought in to get the show on its feet. If the showrunner and creator aren't on the same page, things can go awry quickly and it's better to part ways, I think.

Allyson | August 09, 20:42 CET

Not to be mean because I certainly don't intend writing this in that fashion, but except for the Flying Nun, Sally Field has been the kiss of death for most shows (and most (but not all movies. Her last show only aired one or two episodes before it got canceled.

ruthless1 | August 09, 23:53 CET

Looks like we got ourselves here another Commander In Chief only faster.

eddy | August 10, 01:51 CET

Thanks for that Allyson. I never thought of it that way. Maybe this happens more than you ever hear about. Or more than *I* have ever heard about.
Isn't Marti still doing Prison Break?

cheryl | August 10, 05:51 CET

I agree with Kentonist and gossi. If Ms. Noxon's ideas and Mr. Baitz's ideas for the show weren't in harmony, better to move on quickly. Good luck on your future shows, Marti! :-)

billz | August 10, 06:16 CET

Yes, I remember that. Marti was already running most of Buffy daily things since Buffy Season 6, while Joss was trying to stretch himself between BtVS, Angel, Firefly and Fray. That new, guy, whose name I can't seem to recall right now, was hired, and left very early in the season, Jeffrey Bell had to take over, while still writing his episodes.

The funny part about several complains that I've read from fans that didn't like season 6 and 7 of Buffy, blame Marti for it and says that if Joss had been more hands on, that the show would've been better.



Only lacks the network very hands on interference, which will happen really soon.

Numfar PTB | August 10, 13:52 CET

His name is David Simkins. He has also been involved as a writer and producer on shows like 'Lois & Clark', 'Roswell', 'Dark Angel' and 'Charmed'. I wonder what the "creative differences" were, allowing that S4 seems to be the season that most divides fans?

Getting back to the point, I hope 'Brothers and Sisters' works out for the people still on board, although the signs are not all that encouraging, and I hope Marti Noxon has more success with her next project. It is no secret that I am a big fan of hers.

alien lanes | August 10, 14:07 CET

The original premise for this show that I read sounded good and the casting is good, imo. I also like Marti’s writing so no problem there. I think it might be along the lines of something Moscow Watcher said in an essay:



A difference in creativity?

progirl | August 10, 21:14 CET