September 17
2006
For the last time ever - Angel and Buffy on The WB.
The Frog bows out with three hours of Joss' tv pilots this evening.
Simon
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Petty as this might sound (and I know it does) I still hold a grudge against the WB bigwigs for giving up on Angel and causing us to miss out on what could have potentially been a fantastic sixth (and maybe seventh) season. That is forty four episodes of Whedony goodness that we will never see but that we really should have.
I take no real pleasure from the fact that the network has folded either. The fact is that the people who will suffer are all those behind the scenes that had absolutely nothing to do with axing the show. Those that made that choice have all gone on to other (in some cases, better) things and so there is no justice in what has happened to the WB, as far as I'm concerned.
At the end of the day a lot of good people may now be out of work because those in the big chairs at the WB didn't have the intelligence to know how to keep the network popular. In fact they didn't know a good show when they had it. Even when a massive fan campaign shoved that fact down their throats. A real pity.
WhedonTrivia | September 17, 05:01 CET
And no doubt there's a lot of people here who have fond memories of watching Buffy and Angel on a Tuesday night (if that was the right day) on The WB.
Simon | September 17, 05:11 CET
jaynelovesvera | September 17, 05:17 CET
They even aired the 2 hour pilot first, even though it had a lot of character and setup stuff. Shocker.
At the end of the day a lot of good people may now be out of work because those in the big chairs at the WB didn't have the intelligence to know how to keep the network popular. In fact they didn't know a good show when they had it. Even when a massive fan campaign shoved that fact down their throats. A real pity.
At the end of the day, Angel's numbers had started to tail off towards the end of season 5, and it was an expensive show (moreso than Firefly). They opted to use the money elsewhere. Of course, do I agree with them? No. They used part of the money to fund a supremely rubbish vampire soap opera pilot, which was as rubbish as the script. But they are the network, they had issues with keeping afloat, and ultimately, Angel had 5 glorious seasons.
[ edited by gossi on 2006-09-17 13:03 ]
gossi | September 17, 06:02 CET
Again, as I tried to say in my original post, I have nothing against the various individuals at the WB and certainly not those that helped give us Buffy in the first place. My issues are with those who specifically involved with taking Angel off the air far too soon, not the network overall.
Gossi, you pretty much just highlighted my point there. They removed Angel on the basis of falling ratings and expense but had absolutely no idea what they were going to do to improve their ratings problem, leading to the state of play we have today. Had the network gone on to it's most successful season ever, with the demise of Angel, then that would have been a different story but in fact their actions seem to have led to an even speedier demise.
Would keeping Angel alive have been enough to save the WB? I doubt that but then who knows? Listening to a large, passionate and dedicated fanbase really wouldn't have hurt though, would it?
If they had rethought their position and brought Angel back, even for just one final season, then I'd imagine that the response would have been a very grateful potential audience for any new shows they might have wanted to try out and better ratings all around. Maybe this whole WB/UPN merger might never have had to happen. Again, who knows?
WhedonTrivia | September 17, 06:29 CET
It kinda does, in some cases - see UPN with Enterprise. Those fans literally camped out outside their offices when it got cancelled, and raised a million or two to try to get them to make another episode. The reality was, Enterprise was leaking money hand over fist.
To be honest, I suspect the WB/UPN thing was going to happen anyway. It's a business thing - they can save money by combining together. From what I recall, there were legal issues which stopped them doing it in years previous.
Ultimately, the money saved from Angel's cancellation probably got spread around a few pilots, and other expensive shows like Charmed and such.
Angel had to end at some point, just like Buffy. The WB were uming and arring about picking up season 5 at all, for anybody who remembers - the last episode of season 4 was written to be a finale to the show as well as a pitch, in case they didn't get picked back up.
gossi | September 17, 06:37 CET
If Fox could promote Tru Calling, they certainly could of done a Faith series or brought on Angel onboard, but perhaps Joss's shows are too good for their network. Look at 24, Fox almost wanted to cancel it after it's 1st season.
The words: "You don't know what you gave birth to", spring to mind when I think of WB.
SeanValen | September 17, 06:38 CET
gilraen | September 17, 06:54 CET
1) The decision to cancel was made in February. Those
latter season eps had not been shown yet so their
ratings did not matter. And remember The WB said in May
or June that had they been making the decision then
that they would have renewed it.
2) There was a small ratings drop in the last months of
S5 but I am looking at the numbers and I don't think it
was all that significant.
3) Could you expand on why the show was so expensive? I
don't think the actors were all that highly paid but I
could be wrong. Was it the stunts and special effects ?
[ edited by JDL on 2006-09-17 14:09 ]
JDL | September 17, 07:08 CET
In fact it's very rare that I will have an issue with any show cancellation. I'm aware enough of the politics of the tv world that many good shows aren't going to find an audience and will end far too soon. Even Farscape, a show I adored, was an understandable decision by SciFi, if a little unfair. At least there they did get to complete the show's story in the mini series.
For me the situation with Angel was unique in the way things developed and to this day I still hold that the situation was dealt with very poorly and the almost patronising way that the fan effort was dealt with (anyone actually appreciate the "thank you" Angel was given at the end of the final episode?) did nothing but rub salt into the wound. I can fully accept the logic that you are offering, gossi. It is, of course, absolutely correct. But for whatever reason that logic won't sit well with me, when it comes to Angel.
One thing that I will agree with is that five seasons is a fantastic run. One that most series never get to enjoy. It's only the knowledge of what season six was going to be that makes that fact so bittersweet.
WhedonTrivia | September 17, 07:16 CET
Man, you're not kidding. It's one thing to cancel a show that costs about $1.5 - $2 million per episode and has a pretty impenetrable arc for new viewers but to cancel it after categorically stating it would get a fifth season did not exactly enamour the Farscape fans of the Sci-Fi channel, to say the least.
Personally I cannot understand any fan of 'Enterprise' campaigning for renewal after the kick in the teeth that was the season 4 finale. Just plain disrespectful, IMO (I wasn't particularly bothered about the show by that point but it still stung, even at a distance).
I would've liked more Angel, especially given the little snippets we've heard about S6, but i'm also glad the series got a chance to finish the way it deserved so I reckon The WB could've handled it much worse.
Saje | September 17, 07:49 CET
Nebula1400 | September 17, 07:59 CET
Saje, yeah, I may well have understated the unfairness of the Farscape issue a little, hehe. Losing the show on what we then thought was a cliffhanger (and WHAT a cliffhanger!) after we had been promised a fifth season would have been almost as bad as having left Angel and the gang at the doors of Wolfram & Hart at the end of season four after the expected fifth season was ripped away from us at the final moment. Not good!
WhedonTrivia | September 17, 08:24 CET
From what I recall by Angel season 5 the budget had more or less stayed the same but the actors' wages had gone up a fair bit. So that's why the Wolfram and Hart stages were endlessly used cause the production budget had decreased in real terms.
I'm guessing had there been an Angel season 6, there would have to have been an whacking great increase in the production budget to compensate for the annual rise in the cast's wages.
Simon | September 17, 08:27 CET
Anyway, at least the WB was smart enough to take a chance and produce Buffy and Angel, because it got them noticed. Anywhere else, and those shows could have been lost in the crowd.
impalergeneral | September 17, 09:34 CET
demon magnet | September 17, 09:43 CET
That Angel lasted five years is NOT a wonderful thing
It is, in some ways. Take Angel to FOX - would it get past the pilot episode now?
It looks like former-Angel-showrunner Tim Minear's "Drive" might not get past the first episode on FOX, as it happens.
Buffy had run its course, though not on the WB. The WB cancelled that, too, in all their infinite wisdom.
The WB never cancelled Buffy. At all. They got caught in a bitter bidding war with 20th Century Fox and UPN. UPN offered more money than The WB were prepared to pay. It moved network.
Firefly got FOXed over before it was allowed to get its wings.
Uh-huh. That's pretty a-typical in todays TV market.
We were used to new Joss on a weekly basis (or at one point, three times a week), and now there's nothing.
And TV networks are to blame for that. Joss has suspended his TV contract with Fox because of that very reason, you could suggest.
Ultimately, am I happy we didn't get another season of Angel? No. Am I happy we got 5 seasons? Fuck yeah. You could say the end of WB is the end of the chance for networks to produce slow growing shows like Buffy and Angel, which really is the end of an era.
[ edited by gossi on 2006-09-17 17:03 ]
gossi | September 17, 10:03 CET
But you can't blame WB for Firefly's cancellation, or for Joss choosing to make Serenity (and WW, and Goners) rather than new TV shows. So Angel's cancellation coincides with Joss' last TV work, but it's not like WB made him commit to stop making TV. Part of that is simply Joss' choices, I don't blame WB for that.
jam2 | September 17, 10:16 CET
Hopefully the little cable outlets like fx will continue nurturing shows like "The Shield".
And on the Faith series mentioned above, I thought Eliza said she nixed that early in the brainstorming phase before a network had the opportunity to pick it up?
jaynelovesvera | September 17, 10:26 CET
Drive: dunno what the score is. If they were going to go for a January premiere, I think they had to pick it up last week. Tim hasn't posted online what's going on yet, so I'm operating on ye-olde-hunches (which I hope is ye-olde-wrong).
By the way, I'm a big lover (I'm going to regret using that phrase) of cable channels like HBO and Showtime, as they often make commitments to dramas which couldn't or wouldn't be produced elsewhere.
[ edited by gossi on 2006-09-17 17:39 ]
gossi | September 17, 10:38 CET
Pumps | September 17, 10:42 CET
On the flip side, they kept Sex and the City going well beyond the first season which just goes to show that sometimes cable channels can be FAR too generous! ;)
WhedonTrivia | September 17, 10:45 CET
skeezycheeses | September 17, 11:05 CET
When the fans of Joss Whedon say no Angel on my table, no WB on my cable....they mean it. I haven't watched the network since the day ATS ended and I would imagine that a whole lot of others didn't either. It was nothing personal against every single empoyee of the network and I doubt anyone wished any of those people anything but the best in their life but when you make a statement such as...you do this and we'll do that....you'd better be willing to follow thru.
This fan took the cancellation of ATS as a kick in the teeth to Joss and that doesn't go without repercussions.
cheryl | September 17, 11:23 CET
Also, I think that TV schedule is wrong, my TV guide says at 5:30 is a CW special presentation thing and then it goes straight to Angel at 6:00. That upsets me, because I would rather see Felicity than Dawson's Creek.
Brisco | September 17, 12:05 CET
Brisco, well put. Hope you're right about the promos.
And gossi, I'll leave Big Love alone, but never regret your textual musings. If someone doesn't like it, just tell them you're going through a phrase.
jaynelovesvera | September 17, 12:10 CET
By the way, all the UPN and WB network promos are available here:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=buffy+promo&search=Search
Also, there's the 1992 theatrical trailer for Buffy The Vampire Slayer which started it all, here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8BavoP6208
And never forgot this classic UPN promo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3UJzOcoiPM
[ edited by gossi on 2006-09-17 19:34 ]
gossi | September 17, 12:27 CET
kballgetlost | September 17, 12:34 CET
oh the nostalgia...back when the WB was actually GOOD! i am definitely going to relive the first time i ever watched Buffy and Angel--I was 11 (Buffy) and about 15 or 16 (Angel). those were the only things i had to look forward to during the week, especially since it was always father/daughter bonding time...but im getting sentimental..ibut once more, thanks Joss for the most amazing years of tv ever!
buffyfanatic18 | September 17, 12:48 CET
palehorse | September 17, 13:06 CET
Similarly, the Sopranos got so much respect for, essentially, just doing all those things we expect from a gangster movie and putting them on TV without watering it down. But once the therapist angle had become played out (basically one season in) it was just rote repition of gangster cliches, and beating the tired psycho-analytic plot over and over.
My point isn't to bash these shows, they definitely tried and were run by people who cared a lot about the artistic qualities of their shows, I just mean to point out that they don't hold a candle to shows like Buffy, Twin Peaks, Wonderfalls, Freaks and Geeks, etc. All relatively recent network fare that really tried to do something different with the story telling, charecters, etc. Take away that license to curse and show a boob here and there, and those HBO shows become, often, substandard.
ajay42 | September 17, 13:24 CET
gossi | September 17, 13:35 CET
Septimus | September 17, 13:51 CET
I especially enjoyed the movie promo, as I had never seen it before.
Alex2459 | September 17, 13:52 CET
Eric G | September 17, 14:10 CET
Not all! Just... y'know... the ones that get in the way of me watching new episodes of Whedon shows! ;)
WhedonTrivia | September 17, 14:26 CET
b.) there's no sense to the argument that the WB should have renewed AtS for another year or more -- paying tens of millions of dollars -- in order to please a small number of fans (maybe less than a thousand fans) who thereafter avoided their programming. You don't spend $40+million dollars in the hope that hardcore fans are so grateful they'll watch the next show you sling out: it's preposterous.
c.) To characterize Sex and the City as a show about 2-D women who defined themselves only by the consumer goods they purchased and the men they slept with is as simplistic as characterizing Buffy the Vampire Slayer as a show about a blonde cheerleader from SoCal who slayed vampires, demons and occasionally slept with them. Seriously. I think both shows will go down in TV history as significant art, and in many ways, SatC has BtVS beat. Not in writing or emotional resonance, but in the construction of the relationships (both romantic and friendship), the show was better than BtVS or AtS.
I love the Scooby gang, but there are so many instances in which the core group didn't feel like a true friendship. While the four women at the center of SatC were always friends first, lovers and shoppers second.
dottikin | September 17, 15:05 CET
Yes, it would be fun to see Fray on the small screen, but it's too close to other stuff he's done. I'd love to see Joss tackle something really different. No spin-offs. No Horror. No Science-Fiction. No Western. He is at his best when he gets the space to scare himself with new challenges. And I for one would rather he did that; "Buffy in Pain - Show Better" he once said. Here's the corollary; "Joss staring at possible failure - Landmark TV".
He could do a Live-Audience show. He could re-invent the Cop Show. Anything. Yes TV is currently much blander without him. Yes, I'm dying to see more of his work.
Not sure I want to see more of the same though.
malcolm | September 17, 15:25 CET
He'd end up casting Leo Decaprio!
Personally, I'd prefer to see Joss' take on genre stuff twisted in various ways in any medium.
gossi | September 17, 15:40 CET
I will miss you The WB... we had our ups and downs... but it all worked out in the end.
Thank You.
- Anthony
FruitPunchMouth27 | September 17, 15:40 CET
Anyway, I'm willing to just leave it at a disagreement, but I cannot understand how anyone finds Sex in the City either well-written or progressive. There are ways to embrace women's (and people's in general) sexuality and sexual openness without defining them by it. And the celebration of consumption on that show cannot be denied. Carrie lives beyond her means (yet somehow never has any actul money problems...) and uses consumer goods to deal with emotional issues. Isn't that funny?! (not to mention the classic stereotype of women as "irrational uncontrollable consumers" vs. the "calm rational male" who is portrated as a paragon of "consumer sovereignty")
One thing which gets overlooked, even with all the various Buffy analysis that goes on out there, is how well Joss subtely displayed class difference and its social consequences. Playing off the classic TV problem of the "outcasts" being as essentially modely beautiful as the "popular kids" Joss throws in tons of clues that Xander is from a signifigantly more working class family than any of the other charecters; and that, while he is as good looking, funny etc as any of the kids portrayed as popular, is a signifigant factor in why he is an outcast. Despite some fairly clunky product placement in later seasons ("let's look that up on my handy dandy macintosh computer!") consumerism was dealt with in interestingly ambiguous terms. Neither condemned (buffy does have her stylish yet affordable boots) nor praised (just about everything about early seasons cordelia is, well, less than positive.)
Anyway, I'm super off topic. So shutting up now.
ajay42 | September 17, 16:02 CET
Anyway, I'm willing to just leave it at a disagreement, but I cannot understand how anyone finds Sex in the City either well-written or progressive.
Well, given it ran for - what - 6 years and won a boat load of awards, I think it's fair to say a few million people enjoyed it.
It's the first show I remember seeing where women, like, had sex. With other people. And it wasn't love and puppies and marriage.
Ultimately, if you don't agree with the concept of a show, you aren't going to enjoy it. I've seen more than a few people saying they couldn't possibly understand why people watched "Buffy The Vampire Slayer", "Angel" and "Firefly".
gossi | September 17, 16:13 CET
This is after all a somewhat historic day (might well be the last time a Joss show is shown on a US network).
Simon | September 17, 16:18 CET
To stay somewhat on topic, although I'm still completely bitter at the WB for cancelling Angel (and I haven't watched the network since, although that was made very easy cause everything they've had on lately has sucked) I do appreciate the small gesture of putting the "Angel" pilot in their list of pilots in their final farewell, as it at least acknowledges it as one of the shows that did have an impact on the network.
And they certainly did give Buffy a chance, something I doubt any network would do today. So props to the WB for bringing us some of the best shows on TV, notwithstanding the rest of the crap they brought to the airwaves.
foreverwes | September 17, 16:20 CET
Actually, I should reword that. Actually, I should apply for a job at The Sun.
gossi | September 17, 16:24 CET
:(
stupid world, it's all your fault. I'm starting a boycot. (just a joke ;))
the Groosalugg | September 17, 16:40 CET
What some people had said about “We never would have had the Buffyverse without The WB” has some truth to it. On another network, it might not have made it past its 4th episode or its first year. The WB gave us a total of 10 years of the Buffyverse, and I’m very thankful for it. I was very upset when Angel was cancelled just like everyone else. I went through the 5 stages of grief—Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, and Acceptance—and have decided that great TV comes and goes. Now I’m watching great shows like House that are very well written and have interesting characters that I care about. They wouldn’t win a fight against either of the Buffyverse shows, but they’re good in their own way.
So anyway, farewell to The WB.
Arabchick | September 17, 17:01 CET
I started watching Buffy when it came to my area in the middle of season 2.My first episodes were the Buffy 2 night event,"Surprise" and,"Innocence."If anybody doesn't remember,that was when Buffy moved from Monday to Tuesday and they showed the first part of the beginning of the Angelus arc on Monday and continued the next night.I was hooked right away.I got caught up on past episode events via The Buffy Cross and Stakes and lurked on the board there.I then saw all the reruns The WB aired between season 2 and 3 although they never re-aired,"Teacher's Pet" or The Puppet Show" so I didn't see those two for quiet a while.
This really does feel like the end of an era to me.And now as I finish typing this,Angel and Cordelia just met up at the party.
Buffyfantic | September 17, 17:17 CET
Simon | September 17, 17:21 CET
As for the old promos, I haven't seen anything more than those "stand in front of the WB logo" things mixed together. And there was this one with James van der Beek and Scott Foley in a car arguing. That was old and cute.
Arabchick | September 17, 17:33 CET
palehorse | September 17, 18:01 CET
GaveUp | September 17, 18:03 CET
The promos , IMO, are fantastic. I'm on the edge of weepy. (Just the edge)
*cue Sarah McLachlin music*
whedon is GOD | September 17, 18:09 CET
SpikeBad | September 17, 18:41 CET
"I love genre. I love fantasy. I love science fiction. I love horror. I love musicals. I love finding a different way to express what I want to say. And I think, ultimately, it works best for me -- because otherwise, it would be boring and didactic and I wouldn't know what the hell I was doing. Genre helps me with structure, and structure helps me get through the day." -- Joss Whedon, The CulturePulp Q&A with Joss Whedon, September, 2005.
WHEDON: "First of all, there’s no genre I’m not interested in. The sensitive family drama, I have trouble with. Apart from that, there’s nothing. Everything’s good. Musicals, comedies..." -- Joss, June, 2006 interview at wizarduniverse.com
"I would love to do TV. I miss it very much." -- Joss, Joss Whedon/John Cassaday podcast interview by Comic Book Insider from San Diego ComicCon 2006.
Q: "... inspire you, perhaps, to create your own TV police procedural?
JOSS: "I have no immediate plans to do a series right now. I do, however, have an idea for a procedural. I can’t believe that I do. But I’m not going to realize it for some time. Because I need to take things at a different speed for a while. I had a notion. I went, 'Oh my God, I can’t believe I just found a procedural.' That’s the last thing I ever thought I would make."
Q: "I’d guess you would start it as a procedural and turn it into something else."
JOSS: "That’s usually the way it is." -- Joss, from an Aug./Sept. 2005 InFocus Interview with Jim Kozak.
"WHEDON: I think money is standing in the way. What is ever in the way? What ever makes anything happen or not happen?" -- Joss, June, 2006 interview at wizarduniverse.com
I'm still, and as always, hopeful. Bye to the WB -- so long, and thanks for all the fish!
[ edited by QuoterGal on 2006-09-18 01:52 ]
QuoterGal | September 17, 18:51 CET
embers | September 17, 18:54 CET
QuoterGal | September 17, 19:01 CET
Pointy | September 17, 19:02 CET
Same here. The WB's been dead and gone in Sacramento for two weeks, and we won't get the long goodbye here. Thank goodness I have the DVD's, too.
But if they started her show with the original opening where they talked about other Slayers, I am going to be sooooooooooooo...not happy
impalergeneral | September 17, 19:19 CET
MySerenity | September 17, 19:59 CET
buffyfanatic18 | September 17, 20:03 CET
Okay, here in L.A., Angel has just begun, and Angel just did that iconic walk down the alley. God, this show is so L.A., even when it's not. I actually am feeling a tad nostalgic... and I forsee another Angel marathon in my immediate future. Oops, we're back...
QuoterGal | September 17, 20:04 CET
QuoterGal | September 17, 20:06 CET
Buffyfantic | September 17, 20:11 CET
Heh-heh. "I'm in a very serious relationship with a landscape architect." Great line.
QuoterGal | September 17, 20:20 CET
And, like others, I'm a little teary-eyed -- if only because I saw so little in its original broadcast, and missed out on so much -- and, despite the commercials for the DVD saying that for those of us who are obsessive they are available forever, I do have a sense that this may be the last we see of Joss's work on TV -- at least for a very long time.
palehorse | September 17, 20:20 CET
barboo | September 17, 20:24 CET
billz | September 17, 20:27 CET
SpikeBad | September 17, 20:27 CET
cabri | September 17, 20:28 CET
(How annoying that not all WB outlets are showing the BtVS & AtVS pilots.)
I am so looking forward to one of my favourite Angel moments coming up at the end of this ep...
QuoterGal | September 17, 20:43 CET
QuoterGal | September 17, 20:48 CET
Out the window!!! What a mission statement!
And what a stunt.
QuoterGal | September 17, 20:52 CET
Buffyfantic | September 17, 20:52 CET
ETA: Angel's hair-with-product in this ep looks just in like that Angel drawing that Joss did for Spike's punching-bag target towards the end of Buffy.
[ edited by QuoterGal on 2006-09-18 03:59 ]
QuoterGal | September 17, 20:55 CET
SpikeBad, I live in Canada, so I have to watch Buffy on satelite. But that's not my point. I also happen to get a WB station on antenna, and noticed as I was flipping through the channels (was recording satelite and watching antenna) that the WB station 49 (I don't know which one it is) had a MyNetwork logo in the corner, but was still airing the tributes. Weird.
Brisco | September 17, 21:00 CET
"What kind of a name is Buffy?"
QuoterGal | September 17, 21:13 CET
"The new kid? She seems kinda weird to me. I mean, what kind of name is Buffy?"
"Hey, Aphrodesia!"
"Oh, hey!"
TheZeppo | September 17, 21:13 CET
Oh, and baby fat galore.
"The only thing I could think is you're building a really little fence."
TheZeppo | September 17, 21:16 CET
QuoterGal | September 17, 21:18 CET
And so is the putting-to-sleep of the WB. :(
TheZeppo | September 17, 21:19 CET
"Did you get the free phone?"
TheZeppo | September 17, 21:19 CET
SpikeBad | September 17, 21:21 CET
(Hey, TZ.)
QuoterGal | September 17, 21:21 CET
Man, so many catchphrases born in one twenty-minute block.
TheZeppo | September 17, 21:21 CET
QuoterGal | September 17, 21:24 CET
TheZeppo | September 17, 21:25 CET
I second the notion for the promos on youtube!
cityof | September 17, 21:25 CET
QuoterGal | September 17, 21:28 CET
Nebula1400 | September 17, 21:29 CET
QuoterGal | September 17, 21:30 CET
TheZeppo | September 17, 21:33 CET
On a side note, I almost got kicked out for yelling at someone who kept calling Joss JOSH.
[ edited by hitnrun017 on 2006-09-18 04:35 ]
hitnrun017 | September 17, 21:33 CET
SpikeBad | September 17, 21:35 CET
TheZeppo | September 17, 21:37 CET
(hitnrun017, yeah, good ol' Josh Wheedman.)
QuoterGal | September 17, 21:38 CET
For a while, I watched a lot of TV. Sci-Fi Channel was decent once upon a time, and I left it on more or less continuously, with little breaks for Tuesday's Buffy (sometimes Angel) combo. One by one, the shows I liked got cancelled. I had to get Dish Network to get Buffy on UPN. The side benefit is that I didn't have to deal with my logo-happy local WB affiliate slapping storm warnings on Angel every time a cloud thought about appearing on the distant horizon.
By the time Angel was over, I was down to just that one show. Now I buy DVDs of cancelled TV shows, just so I can avoid getting interested, then having the rug pulled out from under me (which also applies to Farscape). Bring me your dead TV shows, cut down before they were given a chance.
Ocular | September 17, 21:38 CET
QuoterGal | September 17, 21:42 CET
That's one of my favorites.
I've been just this side of teary-eyed all evening. The promos are getting to me.
They start with "Faces I remember......"
whedon is GOD | September 17, 21:43 CET
"Forever on DVD"
I'm almost a wreck.
TheZeppo | September 17, 21:45 CET
Buffy said, "a job of work," which I'd never heard anyone but my family elders say before this show.
QuoterGal | September 17, 21:50 CET
Buffyfantic, I completely agree. I was watching Angel, and now Buffy, and completely concur.
Also, Zeppo, I too.
fanbuoyant | September 17, 21:52 CET
Keep posting quotes, though, both of you. I love all those lines.
samatwitch | September 17, 21:54 CET
As much fun as this is, it's starting to leave soury tastes on my tongue.
"I need to sit down."
"You are sitting down."
"Oh. Good for me."
Waiting for my very favorite line. (I'm sure QuoterGal or someone else will post it when it's said)
[ edited by TheZeppo on 2006-09-18 05:02 ]
TheZeppo | September 17, 22:02 CET
"His blood is pure!" Line delivery cracks me up always.
TheZeppo | September 17, 22:03 CET
TheZeppo | September 17, 22:03 CET
I'm so glad Darla got less girly later in the show(s).
GILES: "Buffy is a slayer. Don't tell anyone. Well, I think that's all the explanation you need."
QuoterGal | September 17, 22:04 CET
TheZeppo | September 17, 22:05 CET
"I knew you'd throw that back in my face."
LOL.
TheZeppo | September 17, 22:07 CET
QuoterGal | September 17, 22:07 CET
TheZeppo | September 17, 22:08 CET
Flutie forev.
TheZeppo | September 17, 22:09 CET
QuoterGal | September 17, 22:11 CET
I caught them all on DVD, so I was robbed of that mystery.
TheZeppo | September 17, 22:12 CET
TheZeppo | September 17, 22:21 CET
Willow: "Deliver."
Cordelia: "Deliver? Where's that? ... Oh! (hits DELETE key.)"
Ha! Revenge of the Nerds!
(I'm trying not to slam Caroline's WHEDONesque servers too much...)
QuoterGal | September 17, 22:21 CET
Alright, I didn't know the server was in danger. I'll post my favorite quote and then just scroll, I guess.
TheZeppo | September 17, 22:23 CET
Man, he sure got his acting chops up fast!
QuoterGal | September 17, 22:25 CET
QuoterGal | September 17, 22:27 CET
TheZeppo | September 17, 22:32 CET
QuoterGal | September 17, 22:33 CET
"I don't like vampires. I'm gonna take a stand and say they're not good."
TheZeppo | September 17, 22:35 CET
cityof | September 17, 22:42 CET
TheZeppo | September 17, 22:50 CET
"The Earth is doomed!"
Hurray!
QuoterGal | September 17, 22:57 CET
Christophe Beck's score was much younger and melded better with what was going on onscreen.
QuoterGal, are we going nuts with Dawson's Creek too? Or is this goodnight?
[ edited by TheZeppo on 2006-09-18 06:01 ]
TheZeppo | September 17, 23:00 CET
TheZeppo | September 17, 23:01 CET
Well, again, TheZeppo and all, a pleasure to watch my favourite show(s) with you on this auspicious occasion. Gotta go do a couple of layouts due tomorrow, and I've been a baad graphic artist. I must stop posting... 'Night, all.
QuoterGal | September 17, 23:02 CET
Katie Holmes... how could you go so wrong?
(nite, all)
TheZeppo | September 17, 23:04 CET
buffyfanatic18 | September 17, 23:09 CET
Pointy | September 17, 23:19 CET
I'm all nostalgic and sad about the end of Buffy/Angel again. Curse you WB! And also.....thank you.
*sniffle*
I love the promos too! It was a nice send off and I loved the little B/A tribute too.
Thanks Gossi as well for the links on You Tube for all the UPN/WB promos. God, I really AM all nostalgic.
I really need a big screen reunion of these two shows....I MISS Buffy, Angel, Giles, Willow, Xander, Faith, Gunn, Wes, etc, etc...
love4ba | September 17, 23:33 CET
It's so hard to explain to outsiders why Buffy has such a powerful effect. I can't even understand it myself, except when I'm actually watching it and feeling the pull.
barboo | September 17, 23:42 CET
first, the name of your network sounds like you're an independent station from Winnepeg
second, please treat the shows you got from UPN with respect. Not just "Top Model"...all of them (although I fear for Veronica Mars' ratings health when American Idol starts again).
third, find Joss and bring back Slaying. Introduce some new Slayers more interesting than the potentials we had towards the end of the series. If Kristen Bell didn't already have her own show, she'd be on the top of the list. Otherwise, get Eliza Dushku. One last hurrah with Spike and Dru. Have Amy Acker back as Fred-lyria. Get some American Watchers, like ex-police officer Kate Lochley. The possibilities are long and wide.
fourth, networks should not be green. Find a better color scheme
impalergeneral | September 18, 00:20 CET
were upset at Angels premature ending. It was deemed a crime
against nature that AtS was dead and that Charmed was renewed
just because the WB owned that show. Charmed has its virtues but
it also has a boatload of cringe-worthy baggage.
Had the WB owned Angel it probably would have been renewed
based on the huge future income streams from the re-runs and
the DVD's.
JDL | September 18, 01:11 CET
based on the huge future income streams from the re-runs and
the DVD's.
If, if, if...
It surprises me how much people are chastising the WB for thinking only about money, when clearly they were supportive of Joss for *years*... and as if we don't all take money into consideration when we plan to do things! Or decide we can't afford to do them. It's simple maths.
Thank You, WB. For Buffy. For Angel. For bits of Dawson's Creek.
crossoverman | September 18, 01:51 CET
MindEclipse | September 18, 02:24 CET
How do you stay so pretty?
I'll forgive you for Tom. If you beg.
Love and creepy internet messages,
gossi.
gossi | September 18, 02:44 CET
Nice send-off, anyway.
dreamlogic | September 18, 03:16 CET
That, gossi, is the next sincerely!
Pointy | September 18, 06:15 CET
Exactly, there were even a few interviews back then, where I believe Joss or or another producer (maybe Jeff Bell, since he was helping Joss run the show, or maybe Chris Buchanan) said the real budget was even close to what they had back in Buffy Season 1. The first half of the season is extremely W&H office heavy.
At least the fact that I live in another country, I can't really say that I even supported or either stopped supporting either The WB or UPN.
What The WB used to do, and stopped around the time Buffy moved to UPN, were those clips with casts from their shows, trying to show how "hip" they are (or were to be more pricise). Those were sort of fun. Did they show those in this farewell thingie?
Supernatural does look cheaper than Angel or Buffy ever was. And possibly was took in account. Hey, we're doing a new genre supernatural (no pun intended) and is cheaper than those whedon shows. And they even got some ex-whedon show actors to appear in the show.
Numfar PTB | September 18, 07:33 CET
It took a while to grow on me but certainly by the end of season one I would say that it has improved tremendously. The characters have grown on me and the backstory of the demon that killed their mother is keeping me interested. In fact it is the only show returning for it's second year that I'll be tuning into.
Although the fact that it is nearly the only show returning for a second year AT ALL would make that a little redundant! ;)
WhedonTrivia | September 18, 08:58 CET
Thank you, UPN, for two years of Buffy.
The shows ruled. You gave them a home and us a chance to see them.
MacGuffin | September 18, 14:39 CET