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October 04 2006

Those Joss Whedon Serenity sequel comments. In light of the growing coverage of Joss' comments made here at the weekend, here's a special one-off Whedonesque blog entry for posters to discuss the remarks and indeed the coverage as well. (ETA - now with extra vitamins and a Joss post).

If you missed all the fun, at the weekend Joss responded to the latest Serenity sequel rumour and quite rightly knocked it on the head. Several sites picked up on what he said and took his remarks to mean that there would be never be a sequel to Serenity. This, in turn, has unsettled a number of people in the fandom.

That coverage in full:

Moviehole.net - "No Serenity 2 confirms Whedon"
Dark Horizons - ""Serenity" Sequels = No Chance"
Cinema Blend - "Serenity Is Dead Forever"
/FILM - "Joss Whedon says No Serenity sequel"
CanMag -"Whedon Confirms No Serenity Sequel"
JoBlo - "No Serenity coming"
Flixens - "No Hope for More "Serenity""
FilmJunk - "Joss Whedon Confirms Serenity Sequel is a No Go"
digg - "Joss Whedon Confirms: No Sequel to Serenity"

I just saw a link to the Dark Horizons one over on the SideshowFreaks Whedonville section. It's amazing how fast this stuff gets spread around the internet. And it's also amazing how these sites reporting this news manage to leave out the fact that Joss was just debunking a rumor so we didn't get our hopes up.
Ohhhh geez, saw two of those sites linked to serenitymovie.org.

And in terms of never being a sequel... it is amazing how some people will read a statement and interpret it from their perspective, and rub it into the fan's faces(obviously not all the links above). Do these people know how to read a text? Did they fail English in high school? Anyways, I ain't giving up. There is no sequel no, but that doesn't mean there will never be one, and I will hold onto that hope.

ETA: I just read the above text and realize that I may be doing the same thing, but in my mind, unless Joss the Boss says there will NEVER be a sequel, I ain't giving up.
When you put it like that, it is quite alarming to think that there will NEVER be a Serenity Sequel on the screen (big or small). It looks like TPTB are proclaiming the end of the world or some such nonsense. It seems so final "Joss Whedon Confirms Serenity Sequel is a No Go" or worse " Serenity is Dead Forever".
Wasn't it said by someone that he would rather make something that a few people need to watch rather than something a whole lot want to watch? What if Serenity and all that for which it stands is something that more people need to see? Y'know because of the way the team works together to make a family. A group of individuals who are alone in the 'verse come together not only to just get by but to be a part of something special, and hijinks ensue!

There is so much story left to tell. But, unless there is a miracle and somebody with "means" can back the project, it does seem rather unlikely that there will be another Serenity story on the screen.
Well I keep on sayin, but dunno if people agree with me or not, after Wonder Woman and Goners, if Joss Whedon as a name gets more well known, and those two films do well(the premises are simpler and not as wacky as cowboy sci fi), then I am sure Universal will be putting in money to finance a sequel. Also as his name gets bigger(and his head), more people will be checking out his other works I am sure(buffy,angel, firefly, serenity etc), and so sales of the Serenity DVD will be higher and there will be more people checking it out. At least I hope thats the case.
Man, when Joss made those comments, I thought he meant Nathan had a vegtable like odour about him. Again.

Seriously though, I'd like to make a comment here; The Serenity sequel fang has become a nightmare. Whenever Joss says anything resembling a word about it, a load of web blogs pick it up now as "Browncoats are crap! Whedon to invade England!", or other such stories.
Silly Gossi, you are soo behind the times. Whedon has already invaded england, you folks just don't know it. He used his contafabolous force of the WHEDONITES. Shock troops that will bring whedon to all who are receiving, and death to those who are not. OOPS... I wonder if this will get spread around.

[ edited by kurya on 2006-10-04 17:13 ]
Simon, thanks for the post. It was irritating that one site took Joss' comments and added the word "never" to his quote. Posting it as a rather mean-spirited fox-newsie kind of article. It was amusing, however, to see all the other sites pick up on the same article as news instead of gossip or conjecture.

I, for one, would be surprised if there wasn't a live-action continuation of the 'verse. I've added three converts in the last two months, the next comic is coming out, dvd sales/rentals remain high.

To quote Mal, "we are just too pretty for God to let us die".
Good Grief, when did those sites turn into The National Enquirer? It's depressing.
I'm confused... Does Joss want us to smother all hope of a sequel with a pillow, or just the rumor that the sequel is definitely happening?

I'm so torn. A sequel would be awesome, but there's only 7 of the crew left and I'd hate to see any more of them die.
All I can think to say at the moment is "Poor Joss." Imagine how it must be to try to squelch one rumor and end up innocently beginning another. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't situation. I hope he doesn't stop posting here as a result -- although, were I in the same situation, I would certainly think twice about it.
Somehow I dropped that thread in the middle, so not I only did I miss the rumor-squelching by the great and most awesome, purple one, but I missed the equally important announcement that it was Saje's birthday. Happy belated birthday, Saje. I'd bake you a cake but y'know, getting it there and everything might be a stretch, unless you have a small transporter tucked away somewhere.

So, when squelching rumors, does it get all icky between your toes? Maybe that's why his purpleness suggested using pillows.
See The Signal episode 18 for my article "The Case For A Sequel." It addresses this concern (though not Joss's comments this week specifically).

I very clearly address the many questions that fans have had about the sequel, one by one. Including when Joss saying "there is no sequel (yet)" is misinterpereted to mean "there will never be a nother sequel. ever."

I wrote the article because there was a lot of this type of talk going on at Dragon*Con, and it's simply not true.

The article was designed to respond to these types of stories and rumors.
Simon, thanks for the post.


Well it seemed a bit silly that Whedonesque was the only place where Joss' Whedonesque remarks and the subsequent fallout weren't being discussed.

His remarks were taken out of context and when Joss' quote surfaced in various in-boxes, the "too good to be true" syndrome kicked in and several sites thought that the Serenity franchise is dead, period. And I detect the distinct odour of "let's kick a man when he's down" in some of the write-ups. But that's the writers' problem and not ours and not worthy of discussion here.

Hopefully in some small way, this will help address the balance.
Well these rumours will keep on coming as long as there are fanboys& fangirls(that is us for the most part), and whedon-haters that relish in crushing the hopes of the various members of the browncoat fandom. Thanx for mentioning that article gobluegirl, I have fallen behind on my signal listening, and so I may check out that episode.
Cheers barboo ;). The transporter's still in the experimental stages. Last time we tried a cake it came out the right way up which would have been fine only it was an upside down cake *ba-dum-dum*. Ahem. Oh dear.

Just the rumour I think Hoban Washburne. The one about Joss being seen walking onto the set of 'Serenity 2' with Elvis is fine though, spread away (the set's on the moon, BTW, just next to the B52 bomber, behind the London bus).

Is it just me or is there almost wilful stupidity in reading "There's no sequel, no secret project regarding Serenity or somesuch" as "There will never ever be a sequal under any circumstances. Honestly, you could hold a gun to my head and wave $100 million no-strings-attached dollars under my nose. Never gonna happen" ?

Until it's categorically stated otherwise there's still hope, IMO, failing that there's cool new Joss/verse stuff to look forward to and failing that there's the weekend ;).
Well, let's not be coy - from a business point of view, there is no real case for a sequel, hence why one hasn't happened. And the chance of that changing any time soon is unknown, but I'd presume not very likely at all.

Although, if one appeared, I'd be all over it like rusty thrush.

Also, happy birthday Saje!

Random edit of amusement: one of those sites was paid a wod of cashy money by Universal to run a Serenity themed site for a few days. They're also the people saying "2-3 fans".

[ edited by gossi on 2006-10-04 18:21 ]

Whedon to invade England!


I think he should! And then make a Buffy / Firefly theme park out of it. All the cool theme parks are so far away from me... grumble grumble.

And too bad about the no sequel thing! I want one!
I went to a few of those links posted above and one of them said that Serenity flopped on DVD as well. Is that true? I thought it did really well on DVD or am I thinking of Firefly?
after all it was one of the biggest box office flops of 2005

Uhm, no it wasn't. Really, from a numbers point of view, it absolutely wasn't at all. Ultraviolet, anybody?

They also claim the DVD was a flop. How do they know that? DVD numbers aren't available.

It's also funny seeing how these articles have developed. One site has taken Joss' post from Alexis flat and published it, and then others have copied the other articles and added negative spin, and others have taken Joss' post and added words to it.

Also, I'd like to exclusively announce me and Joss are invading Spain. With kittens. Hungry, angry kittens.

[ edited by gossi on 2006-10-04 18:30 ]
Colour me stupid, but I'm so confused. So Joss said there was no sequel. But was this Joss being Joss and people have misunderstood him, or is it true. I feel like I've missed something...
The key word to end your confusion is: yet. There is no sequel yet. But the door is open for a sequel in the future.

Serenity *did* do *very* well on DVD. Firefly did, too. We just don't know how well because the movie studio does not release those numbers. But both stayed in Amazon.com top 100 DVDs for more than a year.

The linked sites are not beacons of objective journalism by any stretch of the imagination. I'm actually curious to know the kind of traffic those sites actually get.

And, hey, IMDB hasn't posted the story yet! Maybe they've learned their lesson from the Kate B. Wonder Woman April Fools Debacle.

[ edited by gobluegirl on 2006-10-04 18:32 ]
No sequel? Obviously the movie and DVD must have been a flop, so ha ha Browncoats.

Serenity made back its production money, therefore it wasn't a flop. Not a galloping success, either, but there is a middle ground. That makes for such boring "news" articles, though.
I'm operating under the assumption that while a sequel can happen it is very unlikley given the current state of things. Lots of things can change overnight, and I really hope that we get more Firefly someday, I'm just not holding my breath for it to happen anytime soon, if at all.
kurya said:Well I keep on sayin, but dunno if people agree with me or not, after Wonder Woman and Goners, if Joss Whedon as a name gets more well known, and those two films do well(the premises are simpler and not as wacky as cowboy sci fi), then I am sure Universal will be putting in money to finance a sequel.

I do think this is the key for any future Joss on the screen - big or small. The success of WW and (hopefully) Goners - if it happens - may make studios rethink his prior work. Honestly, even if Serenity never happens again, I'd be happy to see anything on screen by Joss (except reruns of Alien Resurrection).
Colour me stupid, but I'm so confused. So Joss said there was no sequel. But was this Joss being Joss and people have misunderstood him, or is it true. I feel like I've missed something...

The bit people are really missing here is the original context. And that's entirely my fault. *I* was talking about the prospect of a sequel in that topic. Joss posted to say 'Uhm, no'. I watered down the original post to confuse people less, but in retrospect probably confused people more.

So, me bad. But I'm still totally invading Spain.
I can think of several sorts of scenarios and plot lines that could be explored even if it didn't get done for 5 to 10 years into the future. Though Joss seems to like to be self-deprecating about his personal qualities, I'd be willing to bet he'd get the cast back together. I'm not worried about it. I'm just glad I live in a universe where JW exists. It gives me a warm, glowing chocolatey-caramely good feeling in my stomach (not in my heart because that would clog up my ventricles).
and how do you plan to do that Gossi? Flying kittens? Maybe send boatloads of them, to distract the locals and the military and then POW a surprise attack? It will not work Gossi, I am telling you. Unless it is really your cat that is running the operation and just using you as a puppet. You see that folks? Cats want to take over Spain. I wonder why.
"They" say that any publicity is good publicity, right? So even if we're here taking a lot of time to defend sequel possibility, the fact that Serenity is in the news *might* get somebody to see it who hadn't seen it before...

gossi, please spare the Paella!
Simon, Thanks for this thread. ...and thanks Joss for your original post trying to keep us from getting too excited about something that was not in the works.

It turns out that Joss did his posty thing right after I headed out for the weekend, and though I always try to go back to threads, I totally missed that one. (Are we ever going to get the "Recent Comments" feature back? I try not to be a pain, since I'm the only one who seems to be beating that drum, but it used to help me stay on top of posts those many times when I have to be away for a little while. I really miss it.)

Anyway, since I get almost all my Whedon news from this site, I missed this whole thing...until now. I have to wait to check out the links until tonight but from the posts here it sounds like a jouranlism teacher could use this as a very clear cut example of how not to report news. It is scary how many of those examples we see around here.

Gossi, C'mon. Don't you think the whole Spanish Armada tit for tat thing is pretty much over? I mean I know there are plenty of places in the world still fighting resurrected battles that old, but the Spanish didn't actually succeed and you guys ended up with quite an empire in spite of them, so what's the big? ...I know, I'm an American, we just don't get it. ;-)
About 'never' being a sequel...

.... Does anyone remember 'Star Trek' (The original)- that show got cancelled, then DECADES later got a movie, then a series of movies, and then all the spinoff shows!

It's not impossible that 'Serenity' gets a sequel down the line. What's that saying? " Never say never."
Ta gossi. Re: invasion maybe you should start small and work up. In say, Catalonia ? Oh yeah, I so went there (maybe I shouldn't come back ;).

newcj, I think a primary school teacher could use it as a very clear cut example of how not to comprehend the written word, the mistakes have really been made at that basic a level. How some of them can accurately quote Joss' post and still mis-report (or at least add a meaning to) the message is beyond me.

edited the ironic mistake in mistake

[ edited by Saje on 2006-10-04 19:24 ]
Hey, Saje, as long as the cake didn't split into two, a good cake and an evil cake. Just the concept of an evil cake is mind-boggling. Unless of course, it is a devil's-food cake.

.... Does anyone remember 'Star Trek' (The original)- that show got cancelled, then DECADES later got a movie, then a series of movies, and then all the spinoff shows!
Uh, no.

[ edited by barboo on 2006-10-04 19:36 ]

[ edited by barboo on 2006-10-04 19:41 ]
Indeed, the idea of random spin off Firefly shows (Firefly: The Young Ones) fills me with fear. Firefly is in the hearts of people because it was pretty much all of a great standard.

I'd never say never about another Serenity film. Because at the end of the day, none of us know what the future holds, and if somebody willing to take a risk like Mary Parent will pop up again. Like I said, if that happens I'll be first in line (with 4 other people with me, apparently).
Make that 5 gossi. I'll make the trip to England just for it!
Right you are, Gossi. None of us know... WW and Goners could make Joss a more powerful force in Hollyweed, or maybe not...

Or, some lovely Browncoat could win huge sums of money in the Lottery...

Seriously... how many of you haven't already thought "If I win X or more dollars/pounds in the lottery, I am SO funding Serenity 2!

Or is that really just me?
I admit, if I win the lottery, I would "invest" in a new movie venture ... Serenity 2: Cats invading Spain on the planes in the rain but not by train.

[ edited by kurya on 2006-10-04 20:19 ]
This just in: Joss Whedon confirms that indeed the sky is falling.
gossi: "Also, I'd like to exclusively announce me and Joss are invading Spain. With kittens. Hungry, angry kittens."

I'm so in on any invasion plans. I'm arranging invasion-related product placement as we speak...

I'm remembering what Pointy said in the London thread about His Royal Purple Postage and his possible heart-smushage and can't stop thinking that the internet hoo-hah, hassle and khazeray is further dispiriting. I'd therefore like to say !Kittens! to Joss and remind him his own self to: Keep the faith, spread the love, take the red pill, smell the coffee, fight the power, do the hustle, mow the lawn, eat the rich, Mott the Hoople, kick the can, bag the toads and If They Move, Kill 'Em.

I don't know how many ways, in how many languages, in how many venues, and with what emph-as-sis on what syl-la-ble Joss has to say that he would make a FF/S continuation were the opportunity to arise (which includes financing and a host of other issues,) and that he'll bloody let us know when it's arisen.

Turnips and hoards of ironic, de-constructive, meme-ish kittens.

(joni, I've thought about it, too, and I'd invest in a NYC minute.)

"Obviously when I said I had 'closure', what I meant was 'I hate Serenity, I hated Firefly, I think my fans are stupid and Nathan Fillion smells like turnips.' But EW's always got to put some weird negative spin on it. But so we're clear once and for all: If you read a quote saying 'I'd love to do more in this 'verse with these actors in any medium' all I'm saying is that Nathan has a turnipy odor. It's not his fault, he doesn't eat a lot of them but everyone else in the cast noticed it and tht's not really something I'm prepared to deal with any more. And Jewel said outright she wouldn't do scenes with him except stuff like the SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER funeral scene which was outside in a high SPOILER wind. So if I do manage to find another incarnation for my beloved creation, it will have been totally against my will." -- Joss WHEE-don, Dec. 21st, 2005, http://whedonesque.com/comments/9027
I am a Browncoat first, and a Whedonite second. As such, I shall decline to avail myself of any of Joss' creations until after Serenity II. No Goners, no WW, no Fray or AXM or other comics. I might bend this boycott for an additional Firefly comic run.

C'mon you fellow Browncoats - let's boycott Joss! Let him feel our collective power.

OK, maybe I'm not quite serious. But then again, maybe I am.
Hmmm, napua, I hope you aren't serious, b/c seriously why wouldnt you want Joss Whedon to do well? Besides as I said before, one of the keys to getting a sequel is for Joss as a name and brand to be successful, in putting out movies. If he isn't a success with the other ventures Universal would not want to pony up cash for sequel, since Serenity was not exactly a cash cow.
Well, it shows that the internet is a double-edged sword. While it can be a source for new angles on old stories, it can also give rumours a much longer lifespan, maybe too long. I'm sure a Serenity sequel is on his very long to-do list, if he had one. It would be better if it was on Universal's to-do list.
Ooooh, t'would be a disaster if Joss ever wrote anything about different characters in a future period in the Firefly/Serenity 'verse. Might turn out as badly as that Fray thingamabob. Oh wait…
Sad news indeed.

But in compleltely unrelated news, and if you happen to be reading this Joss; (!---edited for privacy reasons - Simon ----!)
Anyway I am very upset about the lack of Serenity 2, but not all too suprised, which is upsetting in itself.

[ edited by Simon on 2006-10-04 23:16 ]
I edited this post. Squee!

[ edited by gossi on 2006-10-05 01:11 ]
I am busy working on my Grand Scheme to merge Stalking, Fan-Combining & Product Placement into one Large, Annoying-But-Lucrative Business Development Plan with Eventual Profit Sharing and Franchises *coughpyramid schemecough*, so I'd be happy to turn over my portion of the Stalker-in-Residence (hee) title to fitter and more energetic hands.

As long as I retain the title of Knight Commanders of the Imperial Whedonian Order of Stalkers by Criminal Means, Emeritus, I'm five-by-five.

Welcome aboard the Stalker Train, Ashley, if that is your pleasure. The pay is crappy, but the perks are non-existent. Ah, well, to love is to suffer, etc.
C'mon you fellow Browncoats - let's boycott Joss! Let him feel our collective power.


Don't even think about making jokes about that here.

And the stalking thing is actually starting to creep me out. Be a really good idea to drop it completely.
Personally I agree with Harvey Chin; 'Star Trek' survived because the fans remained loyal to the show and the Rodenberry never lost interest. It is obviously premature to talk about the 'Serenity' story being over when we know for a fact that Joss is currently working on another set of comics telling stories from the 'verse.
Joss is a young man, we can expect him to create a lot of things over the next thirty odd years, and I am confident that I'll enjoy anything he comes up with.
Yeah, the stalker joke got old after about the 2nd post. Consider myself cured.

By the way, Serenity is listed in Variety under "Films that are not quite disasters but which hardly did enough biz to warrant a sequel".
Simon, I hear you. My tongue was indeed firmly planted in my cheek. I'll not be raking any more muck henceforward. Not that I believe such a thing could ever gain any momentum whatsoever.

I'll go back to waiting impatiently for AXM 18 to arrive. Tappity tap.
Hmmm Gossi, were you serious? I mean i know you make with the funny, I do not know when you are playing serious.
Look on the bright side, of course in a very P. T. Barnum perspective, at least we're back on the newswave.

Nah, kidding. I work with media, in an almost daily baisis, and I know how annoying is with people who misquotes things. It's quite annoying.
I'm also a believer in the notion that if Wonder Woman and Goners do very well then Universal will invest in a Serenity sequel. They didnt really lose much money, if anything they just regained it. DVDs are still selling.

We'll have to wait years for a sequel. Fine. But I am DYING for something now on TV, something weekly, something involving actors and Joss's name slapped on to it!!
I feel bad that so many other sites are quoting each other instead of us. It was clear that Joss was talking about the present moment, as in, no secret project AT THIS TIME (I'm shouting so the other sites can hear it). I also feel bad and share any blame with gossi because I was also speculating about current activities that seemed to indicate something was afoot (yes, I'm sure I said "afoot"), and Joss was just trying to say, nothing afoot right now, I'm just doin' stuff with my friends because I'm so, yeah, awesome (yes, I'm sure he said "I'm so, yeah, awesome").

I definitely agree with everyone that journalism teachers must be having !kittens! (and not the good kind) to see how a statement of "here is what is not happening now" has been converted to "Serenity has a turnipy odor forever," and how all these sites are happily reporting "never, ever made back its budget, even with DVD sales" when (a) I think it was figured out here (can't find the link) that Serenity just about made back the budget, based on estimates of the movie box office (which was about $39 million gross) and DVD up till that point (b) we don't know exact DVD figures, but in no way does "flop" apply and (c) interest continues to grow, as seen by larger numbers at cons all the time, like the last Dragon*Con. I am definitely going to talk to my journalism teacher about this example of rumormongering, maybe write a paper on it (heh, combining fanboy interest with school, nice!).

I want to stop for a second to give props to the CanMag article linked at the top, because they are accurate in giving the context (that Joss was talking about current rumors), and giving Joss' entire quote. Yay good journalists! Also a "yay good journalists" to Variety for this (as gossi quoted): By the way, Serenity is listed in Variety under "Films that are not quite disasters but which hardly did enough biz to warrant a sequel". That's fair, and it's accurate.

The BDHs, including Joss, always say (as QuoterGal reminded us) that if the opportunity comes again, they will all say "yes" to more Serenity. There could always be something new years from now. No one has shut the door on that, clearly. And, extra bonus, years from now no one will remember the irresponsible and inaccurate interweb rumors that we're talking about at this moment! ;-)

In the end, though, I'm afraid gossi and I must join together in publicly doing the Dance of Shame and Blame (well, for me the dance is sort of interpretive hand gestures, much like hula, but you'll get the idea of it). I'll do a lot of winking and facial expressions, too, like this one -- ;-)
Billz, and Gossi, you guys shouldn't be doing the dance of shame, it's not your fault at all these vultures used Joss's Post to rub it in the faces of fans. And if you can use this example in your course, that is soo cool. I would never have been able to do that unless this would involve.. circuits, resistors, or C Code :|
billz=voice of reason.
*blushes (in a very manly way, of course)*

Cheers, pointy and kurya! :-)
"The secret thoughts of a man run over all things, holy, profane, clean, obscene, grave, and light, without shame or blame." -- Thomas Hobbes

C'mon, g and b, you are the wind beneath my wings or something or other like that. Pas de fretting, okay? Innit?
kurya - unfortunately I wasn't joking.

Also, total props to CanMag as above. All the articles they've run on Serenity have had proper, in context quotes as far as I recall - which has been a little rare.
Hey, QG says I'm windy -- rockin'! And, BTW, congrats to QG for another legendarily perfect quote. They don't call her QuoterGal for nothing! :-)

But, just so's you know: I am practicing my interpretive hand gestures, and my winking, just in case, yo. ;-)
billz, the Numfar dances are all about the hopping and twirling, not the hand gestures.
Unless he wants to do indian classical dance, all sorts of hand gestures there. Although somehow I can't picture billz doing indian classical gestures and wearing the special sari and the makeup.

For people who have no idea what I am talking about, check out this image
Come to think of it, I wonder if billz can lift his leg up that high in the air......nevermind anything else.
Try it now...

[ edited by kurya on 2006-10-05 03:44 ]
ETA: Changed my post, 'cause no longer applicable.

billz, in my mind's eye, you're hand-jiving and winking...

[ edited by QuoterGal on 2006-10-05 06:09 ]
QuoterGal, you earned your name today if for no other reason than your set of quotes far above. Kudos! We know Joss loves the 'verse he created and the actors who brought it to life. I hope everyone else gets the message that he will do more if he can.
Lioness, thankee, nobody speaks Jossian better'n Joss, I always say.
QuoterGal=Voice of Authority & Attribution
Pointy, remember also QuoterGal=Voice of Age & Anility (which sounds like a Blackadder the Third episode, huh?)
Blackadder the Third, yo -- the reason why I go "huh?" every time House/Hugh Laurie speaks in an American accent! *hand-jives and winks*

And considering how much the ladies are crushing on Naveen Andrews from Lost, I'll surely try to rock the Indian look as far as I can, kurya. Can't hurt! ;-)
Hugh Laurie doesn't have an accent in House. He used to, though, back when he was doing Blackadder and Jeeves and Wooster. He sounded British back then. ;-)
Sounded British indeed... ;)
Holy Mother of Oats! I turn my back for five minutes (that's how long it takes to admire my lovely back) and the interweb goes banoonoos! Isn't there any ACTUAL news to get wrong? Sorry about all this; it might be best if I just stay off the computer for a while. Or just glut the feed with wild conjecture. Hmm, let's see... I'm me, so... let's glut! Here are some ABSOLUTELY TRUE statements of factiness. Gentlemen, start your websites.

1) Wonder Woman has finally been cast. To no one's surprise, we eschewed all those tired movie and TV personalities and cast the interweb star "Lonelygirl", or whatever her actual name is. Congratulations, whomever!

2) I've got a thirteen episode commitment from the CW, so get ready for the long-awaited "Primative and Cheese Man". She's the first Slayer, he's a meaningless hallucination -- can they put aside their differences long enough to fight crime?

3) "CLEM!" Broadway. The number where he eats Rum Tum Tuggle will make you laugh and cry and throw up in your mouth slightly.

4) I will absolutely, posatively never ever do any kind of Serenity sequel or spinoff unless a studio asks me. Politely. Or meanly, that's cool too.

5) Warren Ellis's beard has a foyer. It's quite nice: shaker furniture, and a cute ceramic umbrella stand.

6) Kelly MacDonald and Gong Li have got to stop fighting over me 'cause who are they embarrassing? Themselves, that's all.

7) I'm tired of me.

Right. Cue chaos. And yes, number seven is more or less true. But my little britjaunt is through (Alexis rocked "All My Sons") and I'm grindstone bound, so I won't be feeding any more rumorsites for a while. There's only one way to stop all this insanity, and that's to produce some actual work for people to write about. So I'll do that.

Here's a thing: when "Firefly" was cancelled, my heart got broke. Sounds a bit much, but it changed me. Not even "Serenity" could patch that wound. I'm wearier, warier -- after all those years as a movie writer, you'd think I'd be prepared for another lesson on my unimportance in the scheme of things, but I wasn't. There are two very separate worlds: the marketplace, and the bustling bazaar that is my brain. The brain place is crowded with goods, ideas, sequels, spinoffs, animated versions, miniseries, radio dramas -- this is just the used goods. All the new wares are in there as well and it's deafening. Once I create a verse I never let go of it. And figuring out how much of my energy should be devoted to reawakening the projects you all love with the actors and characters I all love, and how much should be forging ahead and creating entirely new works (which you are contractually obligated to love) is exhausting. More than you know. You know the horse caught bwtween two pools of water? Add seven pools, and make the horse wicked A.D.D. The other world, the marketplace, I don't even begin to understand or predict. All these rumor of projects or the death of projects... When the two worlds align and something actually happens, whatever it is, you guys know I'll be on this site as soon as I'm allowed to be. And I'll be very very clear. There is no news. Not never, just now. I'm off to lunch with Lonelygirl.

Your Scribe, -j.
Thanks for the updates, J-man. I'd always suspected that about Warren Ellis' beard...
I love my Captain.
That's fine just don't love your captain... unless he asks you first ;)
Gong Li is fighting over you?! You truly are mister AWEsome! =P
And *THAT* is why I will never stop believing. *presses thumb to tip of nose, extends four fingers and wags them at the harbingers of doom and gloom*
I'll never tire of me cap'n.
Hmm, Warren Ellis' beard may well have a foyer but it'll always be jealous of Alan Moore's beard. Thanks for the updates boss :)
Here's a thing: when "Firefly" was cancelled, my heart got broke. Sounds a bit much, but it changed me. Not even "Serenity" could patch that wound. I'm wearier, warier -- after all those years as a movie writer, you'd think I'd be prepared for another lesson on my unimportance in the scheme of things, but I wasn't. There are two very separate worlds: the marketplace, and the bustling bazaar that is my brain. The brain place is crowded with goods, ideas, sequels, spinoffs, animated versions, miniseries, radio dramas -- this is just the used goods. All the new wares are in there as well and it's deafening. Once I create a verse I never let go of it. And figuring out how much of my energy should be devoted to reawakening the projects you all love with the actors and characters I all love, and how much should be forging ahead and creating entirely new works (which you are contractually obligated to love) is exhausting. More than you know. You know the horse caught bwtween two pools of water? Add seven pools, and make the horse wicked A.D.D. The other world, the marketplace, I don't even begin to understand or predict. All these rumor of projects or the death of projects... When the two worlds align and something actually happens, whatever it is, you guys know I'll be on this site as soon as I'm allowed to be. And I'll be very very clear. There is no news. Not never, just now. I'm off to lunch with Lonelygirl.


That's one of the best insightful comments I've ever read here. And I've read all 14,500 of them. And radio dramas? Oh wow. I'd love to more about that one day.
Thanks for the updates, cap... I mean Joss. Mr. Whedon.
Please rest, don't wanna see you fatiguing (is that even a word?).
We'll do our best to hold the fort, if there's actually a fort.

Now the media needs to start quoting this very eloquent post from Joss himself, until they start mis-quoting him again.

And spread the word "Lonelygirl" is Wonder Woman, or "Wonder Woman is "Lonelygirl", sort of. Really?
Now the media needs to start quoting this very eloquent post from Joss himself, until they start mis-quoting him again.

Well, there were 645 diggs on digg.com saying Joss had confirmed there would be no sequel, so I just dugg Joss' response. Hopefully that will slow the negative rumor mill down a bit.
http://digg.com/movies/Rumors_of_Serenity_2_s_Death_Have_Been_Greatly_Exaggerated
Aww...No!! IGN just ran the "no SERENITY sequel" story too. I usually hold 'em up to higher standards.
Mr. Whedon (but always Joss in my heart), you are the best. Thanks for setting matters straight. And thank you, btw, for the signed card and autographed picture you sent for my 50th birthday (as well as Serenity for my 51st). Not only are you talented, you're *nice*.
Thanks Joss. Can't wait to see how the internet spins those comments!!

I was watching "Attack of the Show" on G4tv today and it even scrolled across the bottom that "Joss Whedon said there will never be a Serenity sequel EVER!!" Stupid tv show.

And I promise to love and obsess over any old and new 'verses you come up with!
Rest by all means but don't let the muttering masses keep you off the computer Boss fella (unless you actually mean off the computer cos that's always for the best tzszedtahjrdt46jii87p;9io-0. See, that was my bum saying hello, clearly better to sit in front of, not on). We're always happy to see you spread a little chaos around here ;).

And we never tire of you (though in fairness we don't spend as much time with you as you do). Keep on keepin' on guy, even if that means renting a cabin or kitten hurdling or whatever you do for a break.

but it'll always be jealous of Alan Moore's beard

Yeah but in fairness Alan Moore doesn't have a beard, he has a sub-continent that just happens to be composed of human hair. S'different. Ellis can't be expected to compete with geology.
"...creating entirely new works (which you are contractually obligated to love)..."

Damn straight! Unlike some folks, I only signed that contract a few years ago, but I find it as binding as they come. ...In the metaphoric legal kind of way, not in the uncomfortable underwear kind of way.

Oh and in response to:

"7) I'm tired of me."

I just wanted to assure you, we aren't. ;-)

[ edited by newcj on 2006-10-05 19:37 ]
Joss; that was truly humbling. I know not what else to say about it. I think, as you know, you're not entirely alone.

Also, you quoted Pieces of April. But likely didn't mean to.
I think that those who don't have artist or writer brains can never quite understand that a creation doesn't just pop out. Which I guess is why it's so much easier for the suits to view that creation as a product instead of art--and there is no doubt in my mind that Joss Whedon makes art. And until art is more important than money in these United States... oh, yeah, right.

Here's to hoping that someday soon the "marketplace" will catch up to the quick and slippery Whedon brain. As long as it has the Whedon sensibliity, I don't care what comes out of it. Just not zombies. And for Joss, if you're still looking, a little quote from Getrude Stein: "Let me listen to me and not to them".
Kudos for the cued chaos, Joss, we understand how you feel. Maybe one of the verses you could give us a look at is the inside of your bizarre...sorry, bazaar brain to marvel at the wonders within. We could skip all the crap dealing with studios and production budgets and go straight to your cyber cranium. Think of the crossover possibilities.

To keep careless folk from trying to make your words serve their ends through twisty dissemination, why not broadcast your message through intermittent podcasts? That signal wouldn't be stopped and would fly true. I'm sure one of your more techy admirers here would volunteer to set it up. And I'd go for donuts.

I think you have something there with lonelygirl; clearly she can play younger than she is for Wondy's origin story.
Joss, your posts make me want to laugh then man I got something in my eye! You are an inspiration to the fans, and whatever comes I will be there to buy tickets and scream your name outloud... oh wait that is kinda creepy, I mean I will be there to get other people to see your work, Serenity 2 or otherwise. And for your information Joss smartypants, it is lonelygirl15 who would be WW. Although considering she may be part of an apocalyptic cult, you may want to shoot that movie ASAP.

PS
can anyone put his comment on Slashdot? that seems to be a great wayto get the message out???

[ edited by kurya on 2006-10-05 20:24 ]
bloodflowers, I'd happily take zombies, even a Gertrude Stein zombie. I'm suffering from Whedon withdrawal deep in my Jossified bones.
Hmm, podcasts (or should I say Jodcasts) would be a great idea!!
I'm a little sad to see Joss' #7. I've been feeling that way too. I guess it's... bleh... I don't know what I want to say that isn't completely cliche.
It's always exciting when he posts, though. I choked on my drink when I got to the Clem part. :)
Also, you quoted Pieces of April. But likely didn't mean to.


Those are three common consonants, and two of the most popular of only five vowels. Kinda hard not to quote parts of April unless you're trying not to. Let's see:

My dog hus fees.

See what I mean?
Mr. Whedon, Master, Thank you for that. As always, you are an inspiration. I assure you that there is no 'verse in existance where I will not uphold my part of the contractual obligation that you mention.

I am in no way tired of you, and I hope that you feel less tired of you very, very soon.
I can't stand "heart got broke" and "tired of me" -- I really can't. Since I do appreciate Joss's sharing all that that with us, I will. But my withers are wrung, I must say. Not since 12/13/02 or so have I quite heard that note...

I have a lot of stuff I'd want to say about the "marketplace" but it's a little inappropriate at the moment. Horses in outer space being unthinkable and other suchlike from the Some of the Suits keeps ringing in my brain, and I've met a few of the Arbiters of the Hollywood Bazaar in my local travails, so I'm never terribly... optimistic? about the Common Denominators of the Marketplace. I'm always glad to be proven wrong, though. In fact, it's a hobby.

Joss should always remember that WHEDONesque is the non-crappy, non-planet where he's the hero.

(Jossir, 'cause you don't have enough on your TO DO, could you please add "ANDREW: The Musical" or "How I Overcame Swimmer's Ear" ??? I'm everso still waiting...)

And as gloomy as this poem may seem, I find it inspiring:

Lines Written in Recapitulation

I could not bring this splendid world nor any trading beast
In charge of it, to defer, no, not to give ear, not in the least
Appearance, to my handsome prophecies, which here I ponder and put by.
I am left simpler, less encumbered,
by the consciousness that I shall by no pebble in my dirty sling avail
To slay one purple giant four feet high and distribute arms among his tall attendants, who spit at his name when spitting on the ground:
They will be found one day
Prone where they fell, or dead sitting --- and pock-marked wall
Supporting the beautiful back straight as an oak before it is old.

I have learned to fail. And I have had my say.
Yet shall I sing until my voice crack (this being my leisure, this my holiday)
That man was a special thing, and no commodity, a thing improper to be sold.

-- Edna St. Vincent Millay
(The poet of choice for romantics who've ever been through the Wringer
)
That's probably the best Joss post I've ever seen anywhere. How humbling and just *wow*... I feel like I've been let into a very small club. Joss just shared a heckuva lot of emotion and process with us there.

Thank you Boss! As you can tell by everyone's responses, we are not and never will be tired of you. Get some rest, possibly rest that involves mai-tais and waves lapping, and we'll leave the porch light on for ya.

For like, ever.
No articulate response here, just looking at the screen making that sympathy noise, you know, like a dog?

But as long as I was not entirely wrong about the heart smushage and the you not being so into you these days, I may be right about this: You're a teacher. Archetype: mentor. Even in your interviews, you dole out the wisdom. It's possible you might like you more if your day contained more mentoring, like it did when you had to teach directors and writers and actors and cetera how to make your shows. Not just posting this because I desperately need to read Learn To Write the Joss Whedon Way, and probably writing a book wouldn't do it for you anyway. But some person-to-person, or some person-to-people, wisdom-sharing on a regular basis might be the thing. And it's the sort of thing successful folk in their 40s do. And you can be sure that every writer who's ever expressed appreciation to you for what you've shown them has meant it!

And if you don't . . . I don't want to scare you, but I see sci fi going to the dancing teddy bears. Lum-lum, la la la la la, lum lum!

ETA a little humility. Like the others, way humbled.

[ edited by Pointy on 2006-10-05 21:59 ]
Would someone in NYC let me know when the tickets for play about Clem goes on sale? Thank you kindly.
And Boss, it sounds as though you could use some nice long walks scuffling your feet in some crisp autumn leaves. Bring along a grindstone if you must. Just, take care, okay?
hmmm I don't they would have crisp autumn leaves in L.A. lioness, only in northern US and Canada.
I love my captain, but I -love- (with hearts and flowers and stars) my scribe.
Oh, we have crisp autumn leaves, kurya, we just don't like to talk about 'em. It's not all palm trees, stucco and freeways here, we do have hot-and-cold running amenities and deciduous trees.

And great teachers & centers for yoga & meditation for relaxation and clearing out of the roof-brain-chatter, which I would also stress for stress.
A heartening thought for writers everywhere:

Regarding the argument summarized in James Shapiro's A Year in the Life of William Shakespeare that the Second Quarto of Hamlet is an early draft and the Folio version is the revised draft: I screwed it up last time I mentioned it. That's not the heartening part.

Chapter Two of Ron Rosenbaum's The Shakespeare Wars goes deeper into the debate and mentions a very neat thing: The on-line Enfolded Hamlet. Rosenbaum thinks the Enfolded Hamlet, which cleverly allows you to see line by line how Q2 and F differ, actually make it possible to glean Shakespeare's thought processes as he revised. Rosenbaum makes a nice, intuitive case and the Enfolded Hamlet is definitely interesting as a (possible) illumination of WS's artistic choices.

So writers feeling low, remember:

1. Shakespeare felt he had to revise.

2. Shakespeare felt he had to revise frakkin' Hamlet!
Joss - all I can say is squishy hugs from the Rocky Mountains. Thanks for the update.
Joss, Just to reiterate what's already been said. Thanks for thinking so highly of us and keeping us in your loop...it means the 'verse to us. You make it so easy for all of us to think so highly of you and your work!!!
For what it's worth, Joss, you've got many people who respect you mightily for your talent and ability to turn those ideas you have into something substantial. It's inspiring for all the would-be writers among us, who haven't yet given shape to all the ideas running around in our heads.
I would love to make with some sort of funny, but I've got nothing. So just a heartfelt thank you to Joss, for not just creating the worlds that I have loved; but loving them too. It sounds silly but it really does mean a lot that you put so much into your creations, and are right there with the fans on some of the pain and heartbreak. BTW beyond the contracts filled with loving, I'm eagerly awaiting anything and everything new. Thanks.
Pointy, thanks for Hamlet link. Now if only it wasn't so hard to decide whether or not to use it...
I would love to make with some sort of funny, but I've got nothing.


Hey, that never stopped me. Ask anybody.
Loss of Firefly sequel - big loss.

Loss of Serenity sequal - not so much.
Why does Joss always post when I am at Buffy class? Odd.
Joss ~

I know you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink...especially with ADD. However, if your horse ever makes it back to the Firefly 'verse pool, know that I will be one of many who will gladly hold your heavy head whilst you drink a mighty draught.

And if for some reason your horse never makes it back, I will still love your muse and follow your lead. I may randomly whisper cuss words under my breath, like a mime with Tourette's, but I'll be there. ;)

Rock on Joss...
That's one of the best insightful comments I've ever read here.

Word, Simon. And a quick LOL to jlv (what else is new?) for this: Pointy, thanks for Hamlet link. Now if only it wasn't so hard to decide whether or not to use it....

Mr. Whedon, I am a little late to the party today, but I want to thank you so much for your humor, your caring about us (caring enough to keep us up to date on The Straight Dope, straight from you), and your great kindness in sharing with us your broken heart about Firefly, the marketplace, and that crazy busy bazaar of your brain. We shared your broken heart about Firefly, share your frustration about the marketplace (I mean, why don't those guys and girls with all the money and legal rights to things get it?) but we are never, ever, EVER tired of you or that ideas-bazaar you call your brain. You are always welcome here, we love to hear from you, and you can always count on us to share the happy when you have happy to report. Like, um, yay Lonelygirl! Perfect casting! ;-)

Be well, Joss, sir! Enjoy your time at the grindstone, and don't let it grind you too much. ;-)
lol @ zengrrl.... a mime with tourrets... man that image is going to haunt my dreams(or nightmares...:|)
There's only one way to stop all this insanity, and that's to produce some actual work for people to write about. So I'll do that.


That's what I crave: more Jossy goodness, whatever it may be. I'm loving Astonishing (and I've picked up the Runaways hardcover, to catch me up some backstory - it's good, but will be better when Joss gets to write it), I'm hanging out for those Buffy comics and more Serenity comics, I'm looking forward to seeing what he does with Wondy Gal, and I'm just dying for Goners to get off the ground. And anything else which Joss comes up with.

And figuring out how much of my energy should be devoted to reawakening the projects you all love with the actors and characters I all love, and how much should be forging ahead and creating entirely new works (which you are contractually obligated to love) is exhausting.


I know people (myself included) love the 'verses Joss has given us already, but I really look forward to whatever new 'verses he gives us - that's why the project I am most excited about (of the ones we know about!) is Goners. But really, anything he manages to get out to the marketplace is all good with me, and maybe he doesn't need all the pressure of people hanging out for sequels. If they come, I'll be happy. But as long as Joss is able to keep producing goodies for us to enjoy, that's the important thing to me.
Kiddo: "...and maybe he doesn't need all the pressure of people hanging out for sequels. If they come, I'll be happy."

Yeah, Kiddo (how fun to get to write your name, I feel so 23-Skidoo,) as I've mentioned before, for some time I've been feeling like I don't want to be calling out for Joss to, "Paint a Starry Night again, man." Much as I'll always want to see it again and again.

And this almost broke my heart:

Joss: "And figuring out how much of my energy should be devoted to reawakening the projects you all love with the actors and characters I all love, and how much should be forging ahead and creating entirely new works (which you are contractually obligated to love) is exhausting. More than you know."

In any event, I don't want my Scribe fretting about what he's producing for us -- there's enough other fretting involved, and pressures within and without.

Jossir, as the artist/witchdoctor/minstrel/dreamweaver/voice who speaks for many, please speak as you are most moved to do, which is the kind of art we really want to see, anyway, and how the primo stuff happens. Anything else ain't worth the Toad's Wild Ride that creation (and selling it) creates for the creator.

And since playing with your effin' heart is what gets it broke, every time, and since it can't be done any other way and stay true, do it at your own pace, to the extent that you can, and really, in a way, f--k all of us, the clamouring hoards, if we're part of what's pulling you all different whichaways. I don't mean that in a cruel way about us, rather in a Taking-Care-Of-You-and-Your'n kindof way.

"...the trouble with poetry is
that it encourages the writing of more poetry,
more guppies crowding the fish tank,
more baby rabbits
hopping out of their mothers in the dewy grass.

and how will it ever end?
unless the day finally arrives
when we have compared everything in the world
to everything else in the world,

and there is nothing left to do
but quietly close our notebooks
and sit with our hands folded quietly on our desks."


-- excerpted from Billy Collins' "The Trouble With Poetry"

(Please do forgive me if this post is presumptuous, pedantic, or other words beginning with "P")
Joss

Alexis says he is glad you enjoyed All My Sons. And his lap.

Yes, I totally name dropped WHEDONesque.com to him.

And also, he was great in it. When they closed the play at the end, I wanted to give the man a hug as he looked slightly too in character.
More like sPot-on QuoterGal (it's a silent s ;). Last thing i'd want is Joss to feel any pressure from us to produce anything, by which I mean he should go ahead and produce anything or, indeed, nothing, if that's what he wants.

That said, if the muse moves him in whichever direction then I (and i'd guess pretty much everyone here) will be there to watch, read, listen, err, smell ... touch (I mean if he sculpts, you naughty things ;). OK, maybe not smell, YKWIM though ;).

(I like that poem, might look-out for some of his stuff. Top of the page when I googled the title was this link which you may not have heard - but then since it was top of the page you probably have ;)

gossi, feel free to expand and elaborate ;).
Saje

I went with a load of the Browncoats to see the play at the very last minute, after I saw Joss' post in this topic praising it. I got a cancellation seat right at the front (in between an actor from Brookside and one from Hollyoakes).

Anyway, we saw Alexis outside the theatre. He looked quite pleased there was a group of people who turned up who knew who he was. Either that or he is good at acting. There's two photos which will pop up online from it - one is Alexis wearing a "I believe in the cockamouse" badge (which amuses me because that is my signature on one of the many websites I use). The other is one where it looks like somebody is slapping Alexis. No, I've no idea either.

He wondered off with his Marks and Spencer bag after a while. And got lost and came back.

By the way, major kudos to Joss for knowing about the Lonelygirl youtube thing.

[ edited by gossi on 2006-10-06 12:01 ]
Very cool. Hmm, we know he's good at acting. Let's just assume he was also pleased ;).

Joss is pop-culture dude (as well as the other kind, he's omni-cultural) so i'm not amazed his finger's on the pulse. Lonelygirl was a pretty big deal though, even i've heard of her and quite often these things just slide right by me like hip ships in the night.

(BTW, tell me it wasn't Anna Friel, i'd hate to have to not talk to you ever again in a fit of irrational jealousy ;)
gossi meets Alexis--I knew I should have been born British.

Saje, not to worry. Anna called, says it's her goal, not just a midsummer night's dream, to meet you at Brookside.

QuoterGal, you're heartfelt post may be my favorite of yours, and no, I won't cheapen it by riffing on "p" words. Of course, I can't resist this:

In any event, I don't want my Scribe fretting about what he's producing for us -- there's enough other fretting involved, and pressures within and without.


Is Paul McCartney playing Yellow Submarine in a yellow submarine again?
Sounds like you had a grand evening, gossi! Excellent! :-)
What QuoterGal said, and jaynelovesvera (except the thing about Paul, which I may get a coffee or two from now), and Mr. Joseph Campbell, or was it the leprechaun in Finian's Rainbow? Paraphrasing: "Follow Your 'Art"

[ edited by Pointy on 2006-10-06 15:32 ]
The brain place is crowded with goods, ideas, sequels, spinoffs, animated versions, miniseries, radio dramas -- this is just the used goods. All the new wares are in there as well and it's deafening.

We love your brain place. Don't ever stop.

Maybe when it comes to rumors you could follow the George Clooney plan. Take long, meaningful, hand-holding walks on the beach with people you will never, ever cast in a movie or TV series like your plumber, the mailman, Clay Aiken, K-Fed. It'll keep the rumor mongers busy while you go about your real business.
Pointy, sorry for lack of clarity. Derivation:

a. fretting is also a guitar playing technique.
b. Paul plays guitar as well as bass.
c. Paul wrote Yellow Submarine.
d. Submarines, when submerged, are subjected to outside pressure from the surrounding sea.
e. Submarines, when submerged, use internally pressurized air in the ballast tanks to surface.

= other frettimg + pressures within and without

Logical, as defined in my damaged brain (suffered large skull fracture as a child when attacked by an angry person wielding a steel pipe). Still not funny, I guess.
While this thread has turned into the "We love Joss Whedon"(TM) thread I'd like to comment about the original subject of it that while I will never tire of Joss and his works the seemingly complete and utter incompetence and/or wilful misinterpretation shown by many (internet) journalists in reporting even this simple, small little news item has tired me immensely.

PS I love Joss too.
PPS I mean that in a very manly fashion.
I am the photographer of those pictures gossi mentioned. Will pull them off my camera when I pay my credit card bill and find the wire...

Also, Mr Kevin, you spent all that time with us afterwards and didn't MENTION who you were sitting between? We could have mocked them in the pub! Like we mocked Screech!

There was a massive amount of empty seats up around us in the circle because a school group cancelled. Since we had to send the OTHER school group who were actually there to the special hell over and over again... I must say I'm glad there wasn't a second school...
Anna called, says it's her goal, not just a midsummer night's dream, to meet you at Brookside.

She'll always have a bungalow in the Brookside Close of my heart. Only not in a weird way, like that sounded.

jaynelovesvera, that has to be a contender for the most mental-yet-logical derivation i've ever seen. You should write cryptic crossword clues ;).
Actually, I just realised - both of them are now on Hollyoaks.

RachVG - if you bring the camera to Leeds tomorrow, I can probably rescue the pictures with my enhanced vampire USB cable.

Okay, that just sounded creepy.
Well it's not LOST... I just need to dig it out.
Lack of clarity = my state of being, bigguywithbiggun.

Your explication made sense to me. Is that bad?

[ edited by Pointy on 2006-10-07 05:52 ]
Alright all you doubting tommies and crappy video game networks! Bring it on!
He makes some good points though that I wish more people would accept. Serenity is not dead, and not forgiving! BUT, Joss is only human and has to move on with his career. Wonder Woman has a shot at being the blockbuster we deserve, and Goners could turn out to be the best horror movie ever made (or a cheese fest, depends on the studio...) and we have to look ahead not keep dragging the guy down wanting more of the same. Lets embrace the future already! We'll get more serenity... just after Joss exceeds Peter Jackson on the studio must-have list.
I have to add this, though I doubt anyone will ever see it.

First:

saje:
Rest by all means but don't let the muttering masses keep you off the computer Boss fella (unless you actually mean off the computer cos that's always for the best tzszedtahjrdt46jii87p;9io-0. See, that was my bum saying hello, clearly better to sit in front of, not on).


Dude. Where do you get this stuff? It took me two read-throughs to figure it out, and I'm telling you, the mental pictures you have engendered with this post (and many another!!) I will carry with me while memory lasts (which, given my advanced years, may only be until Tuesday next. But still.). And I mean that in a good way. I think. Also, happy belated returns of the day, or birthday or something. Sorry I missed it.

Second:
Here's a thing: when "Firefly" was cancelled, my heart got broke.


When I read that, mine got broke, too.

That said, I just want to add that I was glad to read that once you create a verse you never let go of it. Obviously, neither do we. Well, mixed glad. 'Cause thinking about you and your A.D.D. horse gets me worried/sad.

So please rest up, Sweet Prince Scribe, and give us whatsoe'er you think is meet. New. Old. It matters not. Preferably lots & lots of both.

And I just figured something out here. Your post, Master Mr. Sweden, is so very like all the wondrous things you've given us. First, you have me laughing my ass off, and 20 seconds later (I read slowly), you've broken my heart. Again. Which, dammit, is making me very homesick for the 'verse! (Does that make me a masochist??)

Okay. Enough. I'm going to bed and taking my poor, battered & broken heart with me. So there.
Joss, all I can say is that, even if you never wrote another word in your life (Big Sky Bully forbid!), you've already changed my world. That's all.
Joss, you ARE the verse. And if the baying of the fanhounds gets too much, it's ok to take a break. Go listen to a sunrise. Smell a morning. Be Family Man. We'll all be here when you get back - it's in the contract... para 3.something "We (the fans) love Joss etc..."
I know this is off the front & all, and maybe, Osmium, you won't see this, but I love your "baying of the fanhounds", and nice point, Hot-Blooded, about Joss's second post provoking the gamut of emotions in a spare 572 words.

(Okay, I counted them, and yes, I am a freak, but we've established that already...)
I think that's my favorite blog-comment by Joss, ever, ever.
I come back to read Joss's post again and see that I'm not the only one to do so. Agree mightily with the wonderful phrase of the baying of the fanhounds. We have high expectations and great needs. But sir? It is ok to ignore us.You've given us so much already.
I was talking about your broken heart and the cancellation of the show, just this lunchtime. It is because you are a SUBVERSIVE and a REBEL. Now wiser and possibly more cynical, but we will still keep coming back for more of whatever you throw our way.
Joss is still cookie dough.
I'm Wonder Woman.

Joss: sequel, prequel or just plain -quel, I'm looking forward to your next project. I'll go back to doing crunches. (because in *MY* reality, I'm Wonder Woman)
Best. Thread. Ever. ;-)
I concur, billz (Hey, how ya doing?) Various bits and pieces of quotes about heartbreak are circumnavigating my psyche, for future posting once they come to shore. For now, just wanted to mention that the more I re-read Astonishing X-Men, the more I love that series. And not just for the way Emma's drawn. Hello, evil goodness . . .
When the two worlds align and something actually happens, whatever it is, you guys know I'll be on this site as soon as I'm allowed to be.


And this is the reason why I choose to get my news here and not the other boards and blogs (bless 'em).
Instead of following these rumours, I'm busy working out with my personal trainer so I'll look slammin' in the Wonder Woman costume.
Oops.
Forget your read that.

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