October 09 2006
"Go Fug Yourself" has an interesting idea for a Joss Whedon pilot.
Starring the very lovely Gina Torres, naturally. (read the description)
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billz | October 09, 18:31 CET
jaynelovesvera | October 09, 18:33 CET
billz | October 09, 18:38 CET
RavenU | October 09, 18:39 CET
Pointy | October 09, 18:41 CET
Nebula1400 | October 09, 19:05 CET
IrrationaliTV | October 09, 19:16 CET
Septimus | October 09, 19:19 CET
(Also, I think they've specifically mentioned being Whedon fans before - I don't think it's just for the website hits).
[ edited by gilraen on 2006-10-10 02:23 ]
gilraen | October 09, 19:22 CET
I think the bitches in Shindig who mocked Kaylee's dress would be avid readers of GFY.
jaynelovesvera | October 09, 19:47 CET
I absolutely do not support taking pictures through a celeb's window or other despicable paparrazi tricks, but I feel like what I see on GFY is invariably red carpet shots and the like, so I place it in a different category.
I don't know, maybe the girls who mocked Kaylee would be avid readers of the site. But to me there's a difference between what they did and what the site is doing, which is part of why I mentioned cost (and no, I don't think that's a dispositive factor, but I think it plays a role). Kaylee was an underdog, she was out of her element, she had less money and no connections, and she was desperately trying to fit in. We're in pretty much the opposite situation - maybe making fun of celebrity's clothes doesn't reflect the best in human nature, but I hardly think it's about belittling the less fortunate or about excluding those we deem beneath us.
And furthermore, I still hold that most of what's posted on that site is pretty gentle - why don't I see ire about sites like The Superficial that constantly harp on how "fat" actresses are or how they need a nose job?
gilraen | October 09, 21:04 CET
Not to be Mr. Psycho Pep-Squad, or anything.
jlp | October 09, 21:15 CET
On the other hand, all sorts of sociological studies focus on how people bond much more quickly through gossip and through negative talk about other people than positive. Maybe it's better that that impulse is focused on people we don't know and who will probably never be aware of our existence (or care about it) than on people we know. And maybe it's even better that it's focused on a relatively innocuous aspect of those people's lives than on vitriolic comments about their personal lives or something. I don't know; I do know that I'm constantly surprised at how many of my friends and casual acquaintances read Go Fug Yourself (and not through my prompting; I enjoy the site, but am hardly an evangelist about it, except on here, apparently), and I would never in a million years refer to any of them as "mean" people.
gilraen | October 09, 21:26 CET
I like 'em. They are VERY funny.
orphea | October 09, 21:52 CET
jaynelovesvera | October 09, 22:50 CET
There will be no throwing of me, on this site or any other, unless a flight plan is filed and approved first.
I mostly don't find the fuggers all that amusing, but I do have to cheer for the "Aztec Superheroes on the Moon" concept, although based on the costume, I think it's a failed George Lucas script, not Joss Whedon. Come to think of it, based on the costume, I think it was a George Lucas movie that got made.
barboo | October 10, 00:04 CET
mister0 | October 10, 00:09 CET
jaynelovesvera | October 10, 00:33 CET
Of course, I was accused of being the type of person who caused Columbine on this very website, so clearly I'm a horrible person who doesn't have a valid opinion on this matter :/
MindEclipse | October 10, 01:07 CET
jaynelovesvera | October 10, 01:20 CET
I can just see the thread where we debate whether you were airbrushed and/or objectified, jlv. Or, perhaps, where we debate whether you should have been airbrushed. ;-)
billz | October 10, 01:22 CET
Fitz | October 10, 01:55 CET
MindEclipse | October 10, 02:24 CET
(*tip-toes back* seriously, GFY can sometimes be funny and sometimes just bitchy for bitchy's sake, IMO. I actually have less trouble with them taking the piss out of this than with the 'normal' dresses that people wear to premieres etc. This outfit is clearly meant to be a bit wacky and over-the-top and so it's going to elicit attention of all kinds - which the performer must've known. Reckon it's true of most walks of life that if you're gonna take credit for doing something 'right', you have to take your licks when you do something 'wrong' - and if you've any sense, treat those two imposters just the same)
Saje | October 10, 04:16 CET
I don't think any of those things have any relationship to what I said, and I'm kind of tired of being accused of being a bad person with low self-esteem because I find a website that joshes celebrities about their clothes amusing.
Ah well, maybe I'll just step away from the computer and spend some wholesome quality time brutally murdering kittens and cruelly mocking small, fragile children now.
gilraen | October 10, 06:15 CET
zeitgeist | October 10, 06:45 CET
[ edited by barest_smidgen on 2006-10-10 14:37 ]
barest_smidgen | October 10, 07:28 CET
It's really a mocking of people who are so normally idolized by the media. These celebs are often so loved by the media and especially tabloids that anything negative tends to focus on their eating habits (or lack thereof) or nude photos or sex scandals. These girls focus on the fact that regardless of what any of them do or what publicity or fame they get, sometimes they STILL dress in the dark. To me, that's not attacking the person. It's showing "look, these rich and famous people make giant bizarre mistakes with clothing too." and to boot, there's no doubt the clothing is extremely expensive, so now the thought is "they spent a ton on that?!"
It's all in good fun, I think. People are praised to no end for what they wear well, they are worshipped for being famous and beautiful. Why not the other side?
the ninja report | October 10, 07:38 CET
I also apologise to the fictional characters in Shindig I called "bitches". I should write a fanfic to make it up to them in which they all have chararacter-forming mutiple orgasms from fisting.
jaynelovesvera | October 10, 07:51 CET
You, and others in this thread made people feel bad about enjoying the linked article and that's not cool. And I don't even know where to start with the fanfic fisting post. I get where you are coming from, I really do, just take it down a notch, okay? Feel free to email me if you would like to discuss it further.
zeitgeist | October 10, 08:08 CET
KernelM | October 10, 10:09 CET
zeitgeist | October 10, 10:33 CET
Aww, yes, I see that now - sorry, Zeitgeist and JLV, for overreacting.
gilraen | October 10, 10:47 CET
As to the question upthread as to lack of ire over The Superficial, I've never read it--and from the description, won't--but more pertinently I've never seen it linked here on the front page, while GFY appears to be a regular feature.
jaynelovesvera | October 10, 10:51 CET
zeitgeist | October 10, 10:57 CET
dreamlogic | October 10, 11:48 CET
As for umm.. people running a website who are trying to get it linked from Whedon fansites?, GFY doesn't really need it. They've got blurbs from Defamer, Variety, Hollywood Reporter, Village Voice, and the Guardian. They covered Fashion Week for New York Magazine.
It's okay to not like/get the humor, but you have to acknowledge that they're fantastic writers, and quite successful at what they do.
I loves 'em.
Allyson | October 10, 12:32 CET
Not buying it, huh? It's hell being properly chastised.
jaynelovesvera | October 10, 12:41 CET
zeitgeist | October 10, 12:43 CET
jaynelovesvera | October 10, 12:47 CET
Ms Badu has also been onstage in African inspired garb which included towering headwraps, she's been completely bald, then with an Afro (wig) bigger than anything The Sylvers (people "of a certain age" will remember them) ever rocked, and she's also performed in various other homages to 60s-80s Funk.
The thing is that she was onstage. If the GFY girls don't understand the concept of Costume, then that's their shortcoming.
Me? I don't give a damn what Erykah wears.
That woman can sing her ass off.
Ya feel me?
If ya can't, then ya better call Tyrone.
[ edited by AmazonGirl on 2006-10-10 20:21 ]
[ edited by AmazonGirl on 2006-10-10 20:21 ]
AmazonGirl | October 10, 13:18 CET
zeitgeist | October 10, 13:32 CET
jaynelovesvera | October 10, 13:57 CET
zeitgeist | October 10, 13:59 CET
Oh, crap, I just did. What was I thinking?
Oh, crap, I just wrote another sentence.
Well, hell, now that I'm here...
I think that GFY is frequently well-written and kinda funny, like this linked entry, but I haven't read it much than a couple handfuls of times -- it's not the sort of thing that I find particularly compelling. Though I am very involved in fashion, and our business creates graphics primarily for the fashion world, to me it feels just a bit like "Mean Girls" meets VIBE Fashion Police or something. Funny, but lacking in heart. Though I know that being heartful ain't exactly their aim, I can get what they've got the way I like it elsewhere...
QuoterGal | October 10, 14:47 CET
Sounds just like my best girlfriends and I when we're advising one another on wardrobe, only funnier. I'm a fan. ETA: See this for another example of the soft, chewy center of the Fug Girls at work.
(And is it wrong that I felt a little pride at seeing Grace Park from BSG fugged there today, as I did when Summer was featured? If you've been fugged, there's no doubt you've arrived. Nice.)
[ edited by barest_smidgen on 2006-10-10 22:38 ]
barest_smidgen | October 10, 15:29 CET
Madhatter | October 10, 18:24 CET
zeitgeist, you got my back, and it's all good. You so *rock*, and that's why I love my mods. (I also love jlv, and I know he's good at heart, too.) All of the above is said in the most manly way, BTW. ;-)
billz | October 10, 18:42 CET
And you are so right about Helen Mirren. She's one smokin' dame. And since you found that example of the Reverse Fug helpful, here's another one I like.
barest_smidgen | October 10, 19:46 CET
A friend once told me I reminded him of Ms. Mirren (I am unlike her as can be in everything but encroaching age) but that comment made me seriously HIGH for a week.
She can brush her hair away from her face and make it as fascinating as a trip down the Nile.
She is my lady-crush of the decade.
QuoterGal | October 10, 20:07 CET
dreamlogic | October 11, 00:03 CET
Pointy | October 11, 00:07 CET
And zeitgeist and I are just good friends. Really. Nothing to worry about there. And the wink that follows is just to show that I'm in a good, happy mood, as usual when I post. Really. ;-)
[ edited by billz on 2006-10-11 07:31 ]
billz | October 11, 00:27 CET
Sorry I missed that.
dreamlogic | October 11, 00:33 CET
Pointy | October 11, 00:46 CET
dreamlogic, I picked up on them. I didn't comment beyond the Tyrone's-gonna-hurt-me 'cause I'm already in trouble on this thread. But you're right. I posted seven Stevie Wonder references and a Minnie Riperton in the last two days and no one picked up on any of them.
And no one laughed at my Curtis Mayfield/Marvin Gaye joke on the other thread. OK, that wasn't funny. Bad example. And though I've known some other-than-white folk who didn't care for Ms. Badu, nobody doesn't like George Clinton, Pointy my man.
Seriously though, most posts aren't responded to. It doesn't automatically follow that no one understood the reference. People refrain from commenting on most of my posts but I don't assume they don't understand them. And since most of the characters in Joss Whedon's work are white, it seems to me it would follow that most of the discussion would revolve around white actors, etc. Just as most discussions of Curtis Mayfield's music are centered on black issues and experience. It never occurred to me to think Stevie Wonder, the closest thing to a hero I have, is too black for singing "you nappy-headed boy".
jaynelovesvera | October 11, 01:03 CET
Pointy | October 11, 01:20 CET
dreamlogic | October 11, 01:33 CET
Pointy | October 11, 01:40 CET
dreamlogic | October 11, 01:52 CET
Pointy | October 11, 02:17 CET
[ edited by dreamlogic on 2006-10-11 09:33 ]
dreamlogic | October 11, 02:30 CET
Pointy | October 11, 02:37 CET
Simon | October 11, 03:17 CET
Pointy, So sorry. I wish I'd realized you'd take me seriously. Do I do thoughtless stuff like that often? I guess lately that's all I do. I'll have a talk with God today to straighten myself out. Don't you worry 'bout a thing, you aint done nothin' to deserve such treatment. You should hit me so hard it leaves a contusion and knocks me off my feet. Forgive my thoughtlessness and I'll be overjoyed. From the bottom of my heart it will not happen again, that's signed sealed and delivered. Oh by the way, did you really not like Mercedes' pics? That girl may look victimised to you , but isn't she lovely?
That's 13 Stevies and one Minnie. I should be ahead for awhile.
[ edited by jaynelovesvera on 2006-10-11 22:47 ]
jaynelovesvera | October 11, 04:02 CET
billz | October 11, 04:18 CET
jaynelovesvera | October 11, 05:53 CET
That's Stevie Wonder?
Thought it was Squeeze . . .
Pointy | October 11, 09:24 CET
zeitgeist | October 11, 10:23 CET
zeitgeist | October 13, 14:13 CET