I hate everything about this whole night - Cast&Crew

This fug article is such a waste of space -- and it is so mean. I'm not crazy about Michelle being with Pete Wentz, but it is uncalled for. I think Michelle looks beautiful -- she does not have a chronic wasting disease. Whedonesque posts a lot great articles, so why even bother posting something like this obviously trashes and flames one of the Jossverse stars. Totally uncalled for -- why did you even post the article? Mean people.

ohnjaye | October 16, 02:53 CET

Who is this Pete Wentz? And why does Michelle look like she's been cornered by the office bore? And why is she wearing a very sheer dress while he's dressed for Christmas in Alaska?

So many questions...

I do agree that that site can be quite catty. Let's face it it's always catty. But as long as they pick on celebs that more often than not dress for publicity I see it as fair game. The odd shots they have of someone "off duty" just walking down the street is the only time I think they maybe overstepping the mark.

zz9 | October 16, 02:59 CET

Hmm. While I don't necesarily agree with the article, the comments on Pete Wentz are rather amusing. I do think it should b posted because what fun is only posting good articles? A few buffyverse actor movies I won't name wouldn't have made it onto this site had there been a rule about only posting 'nice' links.

Smooshed Face Lion | October 16, 03:10 CET

zz9

The extremely lucky fellow who's getting the main part of the fashion police beatdown here is Pete Wentz, one of the members of Fall Out Boy. And in case you've never heard of Fall Out Boy, I can't personally recommend them....just ain't my taste in grooves.

And his shirt does look like an adult version of Underoos. Though the sack comment is miles past tasteful:(

BlueEyedBrigadier | October 16, 03:11 CET

Since the last time Go Fug Youself was linked to I was well and truly and rightly smacked down and put in my place by our good friend zeitgeist for being mean-spirited to the ladies running GFY and making their devoted admirers on this site feel bad about themselves, I think the time has come to be honest. The reason the GFY ladies hide behind pics of Joan and Shannen isn't, as some have surmised, that they're fat, ugly or two gay men. No, the real reason is that Go Fug Yourself is actually my site--I write all the nasty, no make that well-intentioned satirical jolliness on the blog, and I'd like to thank all the fans of my work who keep linking it to here.

Now, Harmalicious, you discover the real reason jlv doesn't blog: I'm too damn busy admirin' my favorite celebs (BTW they're all in on the joke--they have copy approval).

jaynelovesvera | October 16, 03:29 CET

[ edited by Succatash on 2006-10-16 02:45 ]

mister0 | October 16, 03:31 CET

Succotash, you've made me have a change of heart. I'll shut that blog down tomorrow.

jaynelovesvera | October 16, 03:52 CET

I don't know if you're joking. Do you really have to spectulate that the owners are fat and ugly? I guess some people can't just insult them for their rudeness. It must always come back to how the women look. No wonder they don't put up their real pictures.

cityof | October 16, 03:53 CET

[ edited by Succatash on 2006-10-16 02:44 ]

mister0 | October 16, 04:10 CET

This thread is in danger of heading down the unfortunate path of earlier GFY posts, and is also close to being deleted. Lets all take a deep breath please.

herb | October 16, 04:14 CET

GFY is hysterical! Great link.

IrrationaliTV | October 16, 04:16 CET

[ edited by Succatash on 2006-10-16 02:44 ]

mister0 | October 16, 04:31 CET

herb and cityof, I think if one reads my words as written you would find I also did not call the women fat, ugly or two gay men. The only way I see to believe my post was not a joke is to believe I actually do run that site, in which case those women don't exist, so it would be difficult for me to insult them.

jaynelovesvera | October 16, 04:36 CET

When whedonesque links to GFY, it really does tend to kick up a bit of dust, as in here and here. (I omitted the most recent thread out of respect to our dear jlv.)

After that last Erykah Badu fug, I read a slew of GFY archives, on the recommendation of other folks here. I gave it the old college try.

Meh. As much as I love some kinds of snark, GFY is just really not my thing.

(Hey, jlv, sorry if I hurt your feelings as the real author of the site, but it did come up and I tried to be gentle and all. Hope you've seen the love scattered about the threads about your sitch. Oh, and by any chance did you get me that beer?)

"If we had no faults we should not take so much pleasure in pointing out the faults of others". -- La Rochefoucauld

QuoterGal | October 16, 04:56 CET

QG, no need to omit anything on my account, although I do love Aretha Franklin.

Of course I got you that beer. I even opened it for you, but your doggone cats jumped after the catfish sammitch and knocked over the beer which spilled on my cash which has to dry out before I can go for another beer and by then the sammitch will be cold but your cats are fine if somewhat mewlish (or do I mean mule-ish?).

jaynelovesvera | October 16, 05:11 CET

When I was a kid, I had a Halloween costume of the sandman that looked remarkably like the outfit Michelle is wearing. Well, what I could see of it. And his shirt? I must say, I laughed at this one.

Lioness | October 16, 05:19 CET

Any cats I've had have tended to be both mewlish & mule-ish, as they are like me, and word on the street (the Rialto) is that I am both verbal and stubborn. *grin* As my partner said, where in hell would anyone get an idea like that?

Okay, with all due R-E-S-P-E-C-T, that more recent GFY thread is here, and catfish sammitch? Well, maybe with a scrambled-eggs-and-cream-flavoured-soda.

(Ya know, I hafta say this -- I liked the title "I hate everything about this whole night." I will be ~~stealing~~ borrowing that...)

QuoterGal | October 16, 05:33 CET

It seems the new thing, to bag on other people and call it art. Like the shows on VH1, all the faux celebs who make fun of other people. It's just mean. And sometimes they do take it over the line.

I'm just bored with it.

madmolly | October 16, 05:44 CET

I thought she was going out with Shawn Ashmore? WHA HAPPENED?

escapist_dream | October 16, 06:31 CET

I don't have a problem with GFY... it's not that I think it's too mean, I just don't think it's funny. I'm all for good snark, but I just think there isn't much humor in the writing. A shame, because sometimes those outfits need some good poking fun at.

fortunateizzi | October 16, 06:33 CET

I don't see how GFY is different to all the gossip and fashion magazines. They always have sections on celebrity fashion - mor eoften than not, to critise them. There are worse things in the world than GFY.

jynnantonnyx | October 16, 07:20 CET

jynnantonnyx: "I don't see how GFY is different to all the gossip and fashion magazines."

I don't think it is, particularly.

QuoterGal | October 16, 07:39 CET

So the same people that hate Lost hate GFY? Well at least we know they are the minority. Let's hope the world is safe yet another day for pure escapism and a little tastelessness. I'm certainly glad it is.

IrrationaliTV | October 16, 08:08 CET

Firstly I had no idea who Pete Wentz is but according to Wikipedia he is pop punk/emo. Which left me none the wiser.It was a lot simpler when there was grunge let me tell you. Sure we had those ghastly plaid lumber shirts and the obligatory goatees but the music was unpretentious and the musicians actually cared about what they performed.

Anyhow back to the topic, I'd hate to see this thread turn into the self righteous smug "I know better than everyone else" thread so be on your best behaviour. And I don't think we'll be linking to GFY all the time btw. I'm not one for linking to a web page just cause it has the word Buffy on it. One Buffy mention does not make a summer.

Simon | October 16, 10:28 CET

: )

QuoterGal | October 16, 10:45 CET

I heard an interview with the GFY girls who said that they do it because they love. I thought this was funny without being cruel.

feelinglistless | October 16, 11:31 CET

I'm not one for linking to a web page just cause it has the word Buffy on it. One Buffy mention does not make a summer.

Wait, Summer is on that page, too? ;-)

Niels van Eekelen | October 16, 12:43 CET

Blustery Politician Voice: ON

I would like to say to the assembled multitudes, to all the peoples everywhere in all corners of the world and also anyone who may be in orbit and also for posterity, so that my words here today shall echo down the long hallways of time and ring in the ears of our descendants; descendants so distant that they might reckon the great grandchildren of our great grandchildren distant dim ancestors, to all the people inhabiting time and space I say this: I have no opinion on this posted article.

Blustery Politician Voice: OFF

wouldestous | October 16, 18:08 CET

I thought she was going out with Shawn Ashmore? WHA HAPPENED?
That was my first thought too! Where's Iceman?!

It seems the new thing, to bag on other people and call it art.

Well, I think the 'catty girls' in schools across the world have been doing it for millenia, but it's just of late that there is a camera or blog in front of them.

That said, I do find celebs more fair game than your average person, because they routinely put themselves in the spotlight, in clothes that they think are wonderful...and sometimes they need to be called out. Granted, maybe not so viciously, but don't these celebs have friends that will tell them, "Gee, sweetie, that just doesn't flatter you at all!"

Then again, maybe they're like me. I get regularly fugged by my hubby when I put on my favorite sweater that he thinks makes me look like an old woman...yet I wear it anyway.

Rogue Slayer | October 16, 18:30 CET

So the same people that hate Lost hate GFY? Well at least we know they are the minority. Let's hope the world is safe yet another day for pure escapism and a little tastelessness. I'm certainly glad it is.

TamaraC, I don't understand your first sentence about the same people hating Lost, most likely due to my acknowleged lack of smarts and only making it to the fifth grade. Could you explain?

I also am glad the world is safe for pure escapism but IMO Lost strives to and succeeds in being more than that, even though I don't particularly enjoy the show. And I missed it if anyone of the folks on this thread who don't care for GFY said anything about banning it. If I typed that in invisotext somewhere and can't find it now I do apologise for offending you.

[ edited by jaynelovesvera on 2006-10-16 17:10 ]

jaynelovesvera | October 16, 19:08 CET

I think its funny. Just saying. I mean look at that shirt!

And Fall Out Boy has some whiny emo songs and one very good one. "Dance, Dance" makes me want to do just that.

"It was a lot simpler when there was grunge let me tell you. Sure we had those ghastly plaid lumber shirts and the obligatory goatees but the music was unpretentious and the musicians actually cared about what they performed."

Simon, Simon. I haven't the words.;)

Xane | October 16, 19:22 CET

I read it. I laughed.

I feel so dirty.

11thHour | October 16, 22:19 CET

jlv, I wasn't offended. My snarky comment was just in response to those that think GFY is beneath them. Those types of responses reminded me a lot of the comments often seen in threads about Lost. It was just a general observation and not directed at you or any individual poster.

IrrationaliTV | October 16, 22:21 CET

Tamara, you weren't offended? Well, gimme a minute, and I'll think of something really offensive to say to you... ;-)

Just want to chime in here that I saw this GFY entry as satire, and rather mild when compared to the average celebrity gossip magazine cover that assaults one's senses while waiting in the grocery checkout line. Also, through all the snarkiness, I came away with the feeling that the GFY writer actually likes Michelle Trachtenburg.

11thHour | October 16, 22:45 CET

You know you can't offend me, 11th. :) I thought the entire post was affectionate ribbing as well.

IrrationaliTV | October 17, 00:22 CET

So one can't think an activity is wrong without feeling those who engage in it are beneath them?

Good-natured badinage among friends is one thing, but since Simon brought up Joss' feminist beliefs on the nude Mercedes thread, I wonder: Does the person this site celebrates endorse GFY's wholesale insulting of strangers, albeit celebrities to some, for fun? Are there indicators of his stance in his work? In his interviews?--cue QuoterGal--would his purpleness care to weigh in?

jaynelovesvera | October 17, 00:53 CET

In interviews that I've read, jlv, it's my impression that Joss tends to be very careful when "evaluating" or talking about other folks -- in particular, he's declined to say negative stuff when specifically invited to (I have a quote somewhere, but can't find it) by interviewers.

There have been exceptions, of course -- Donald Sutherland springs to mind, for instance --but even there, Joss usually hastens to point out that DS could read a phone book out loud and make it interesting...

(I see what you're getting at, jlv, and I myself invoked Joss's words on the other thread, but still-and-all, I think doing that has a limited usefulness in terms of most WHEDONesque discussions. While many folks would be interested in hearing anything he may have said/written on a given subject, and while we kid that we are his subjects in the land called Whedonia, on topics other than his intentions or his creations, his are, after all, one man's opinions.

Which is why his "Equality Now" speech couldn't cease all discussion on the other thread, nor, in my opinion, should it have. I know it is me saying this -- Queen QuoterGal from Planet Quotation -- but I'm inclined to doubt that Joss would wish to have any kind of "major expert opinion" effect in areas that are matters of taste... IMO. And jlv, you are in all probability not suggesting that he should have that kind of effect, but I wanted to say it, just in case anyone thought I meant that he should.)

"After Alien Resurrection I did put my foot down and literally said 'The next person who ruins one of my scripts is going to be me.' ” -- Joss, Suicide Girls Interview with Daniel Robert Epstein, http://suicidegirls.com/interviews/Joss+Whedon/, Sept., 2005

QuoterGal | October 17, 01:28 CET

Does the person this site celebrates endorse GFY's wholesale insulting of strangers, albeit celebrities to some, for fun? Are there indicators of his stance in his work? In his interviews?--cue QuoterGal--would his purpleness care to weigh in?

I'm not terribly fond of "Hey Joss! please comment" posts here at Whedonesque. If Joss posts here, that's a lovely part of the day for everyone here but he shouldn't be baited into posting. It's nekulturny. And what Joss likes and dislikes, well that's his private business. If he shares it good, if he doesn't that's fine with me.

Also analysing something is all well and good. Overanalysing a site like GFY (which admittedly is not everyone's cup of tea) is extremely unnecessary. And I would hate to think that people look down on other posters just because they think something is fun. That's just a tad elitist and not what this site is about.

Simon | October 17, 02:02 CET

No, QG, I was not suggesting that. But since GFY is as common on Whedonesque as discussion of the thematic elements of Angel or fleas on a dog, I am curious what his take is.

Contrary by nature--yup, I know you're surprised at that, I let no one's expertinacity, regardless of color or font or boldness thereof, interfere with my enjoyment of forming mine own opinions--although I must confess I am, very rarely, swayed by italics, particularly in the hands of a mesmerising female.

Heck, I might still be married had I deigned to let her exness dictate my beliefs. I'll dang well use creamer in my coffee if I want.

jaynelovesvera | October 17, 02:03 CET

I thought she was talking about Prince.

Allyson | October 17, 02:15 CET

Simon, cut off "analysis" of any topic you like whenever you like for whatever reason you like, but I'm a little tired of you repeatedly casting aspersions on my character. Whatever faults I have, I'm as elitist as a bologna sandwich. Goodbye and good luck.

jaynelovesvera | October 17, 02:25 CET

And with that, let's draw a veil over the GFY: Fun or Evil? discussion.

Nice to be back.

SoddingNancyTribe | October 17, 02:51 CET

Welcome back, SNT, missed you like mad :)

zeitgeist | October 17, 04:02 CET

Neither fun, nor evil - just immature - Zzzzzzz *g*

Pumps | October 17, 05:20 CET

GFY is SERIOUS business!
Anyway, I laughed, I cried, it was better than CATS. By that, I mean, I laughed, Michelle looks lovely and that's a shirt I'd wear myself, but I loved the consumptive waif comparison. It made me laugh.

If I were a gambler, I'd bet the fug girls rather like Michelle. It doesn't bother me one way or another. If anything, her presence on that site is a sign she's achieved notoriety. Good on her.

orphea | October 17, 06:16 CET

Allyson, you mean they aren't talking about Prince?

Xane | October 17, 10:02 CET

Hey! Welcome back SNT.

newcj | October 17, 19:13 CET

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