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October 16 2006

MSN asks "Are they going to kiss or What?". Booth and Bones from David Boreanaz's show "Bones" make this interesting list.

Agree with alot of this list.

Love the chem with this couple and am enjoying the wait and build up to the big moment. DB and ED work so well of each other. I am really looking forward to her reaction to his latest fling.

Please no....
Love their dynamic, but as a some sort fo couple nope.

[ edited by Numfar PTB on 2006-10-16 11:35 ]
X-files had jumped years before, IMO, but Sculder was one of the final nails for me. I'd very much enjoyed that they had a bond as partners which didn't depend on romantic interest to encompass loyalty to-the-death and (platonic) love then Carter blew it (IMO).

I do agree that the 'Numb3rs' relationship is being done quite well. Charlie's mild dysfunctions being highlighted without being hammered home (it was the end of season 2 when she got the job offer though).

Re: Bones, please make it permanently fraternal. I think it's natural for them to explore their relationship, maybe even end up in bed at some point as a 'try-out' but I would love for them to then decide, "Nope, not for us, let's just be friends". The whole will they/won't they device needs a rest as far as i'm concerned.

(reckon it'd be very healthy to show a man and woman working together without them having to become romantically involved. Surely 'good chemistry' doesn't need to be hormonal ? And they could also learn a lesson from 'Moonlighting' which pretty much died on its arse after the leads actually got together)
Speaking from personal experience it's possible to work very closely with a very attractive woman, develop a close friendship that lasts many years, yet abstain from pursuing her sexually or romantically. But it crosses one's mind. Often.

ETA: Glad to see Gunsmoke get a mention. I've watched a few episodes with my dear sweet mother recently and been pleasantly surprised at the quality and sophistication of the writing and characterisation. Most shows from that era don't old up well for me.

[ edited by jaynelovesvera on 2006-10-16 14:02 ]
And they could also learn a lesson from 'Moonlighting' which pretty much died on its arse after the leads actually got together)


Y'know, this myth has been propagated endlessly, and I'm tired of it. Moonlighting was already dead on its arse, and it had nothing to do with their getting together. And the reason why their getting together didn't work is because Bruce Willis and Cybill Shepherd hated each other with a fiery passion, which meant that the actual attempts to be romantic were disastrous.

Moonlighting did not fall apart because the main characters got together, and I'm sick and frapping tired of it being used as an excuse to play an endless game of will-they-won't-they? And I'm sick of writers chickening out of actually writing a relationship.
IMHO Moonlighting went downhill when they got together. And what the hell was that about the baby. That finished me off. So yeah, if they hadn't got together it wouldn't have been as bad. IMO.

But I agree that the "will they, wont they" thing can sometimes mask a lack of imagination on the part of the writers.

I hope they stay just friends. Friends who flirt. In a recent episode Booth basically said that sometimes you want to act on the attraction, but that the friendship is too important to risk on a brief liaison. He didn't use those words but that was the jist.
Yes, a real relationship would be interesting to see. I don't think Booth and Brennan are there yet, though. Banter is not a relationship, though it can be a facet.

But on the Mulder and Scully bit, I never actually had a problem with it. Because after 7 years of not just being work partners, but really the only people in each other's lives, and the only other person they really trusted and opened up to (aside from Scully with her mother), it seemed only natural that they would move into a more than platonic relationship.

But that's just me.

[ edited by pat32082 on 2006-10-16 15:21 ]

[ edited by pat32082 on 2006-10-16 15:22 ]
Y'know, this myth has been propagated endlessly, and I'm tired of it. Moonlighting was already dead on its arse...

Firstly krad, i'd say whether it died before or after is a matter of opinion so if you could maybe dial back the implied absolute certainty that i'm the king of wrong on planet wrongsville just a tad that'd be cool ;). IMO, Season 3 (which ended with them doing the do) was pretty good and it's also probably worth pointing out that at least from a ratings point of view (not necesarily meaningful, I admit) the show didn't start to decline until Season 4 (i.e. after the deed was done).

In retrospect it might just have been coincidence that Season 4 wasn't anywhere near as good because Maddie and David spent a lot of that one apart (I think for production reasons, something to do with Cybill Shepherd having a baby ?) so maybe where I implied a causal relationship there wasn't one but I still think it's fair to say the show started to die on its arse from (though, granted, possibly not as a direct result of) when they slept together. YMMV of course ;).

(I do agree though that if 'Moonlighting' is indeed being used as an excuse to constantly drag out will they/won't they plotlines way beyond their welcome then that'd be better stopping. As mentioned, it's getting kinda tired, IMO, and unnecessary to boot - just look at 'Cheers' as a counterexample)
I hope they do not take the Booth and Brennan characters into a romance at all. In my opinion the characters have just started to find their legs this season and heaving them into a romance right away would be short-sighted. I like the budding attraction between Angela and the bearded guy (Hodges? Drawing a blank...). Grafting a romance onto the Booth and Brennan relationship would be a mistake, I think.

And Krad, I was there and I saw it happen. Moonlighting had its entire appeal in the banter and romantic tension between the two main characters. When they finally broke that tension they did it in a rowdy way, turning over tables and smashing things that didnt really even need to be smashed. Good stuff!
But after they went there I, like most of the viewing public, wanted to have a smoke and go to sleep, not watch more Moonlighting. What the actors thought about each other is irrelevant.
I think Turk and Carla from Scrubs are a perfect example that a long term couple on TV can still be interesting. I get tired of the "Will they/won't they" stuff myself.
I watched and liked Moonlighting from the start and lost interest when they got together and part of it was how they got together, which I found uncomfortably close to rape.
I think the show was much more uninteresting afterwards. Much of the show was built on the "will they won't they" and I think it worked. Afterwards, it fumbled about, not sure what it was.
Saje, go easy on young krad. Clearly he's confusedly thinking he's posting in an AICN talkback. That's my unassailable position based on my temporary ascension to the rank of King of Wrong on planet Wrongsville. Now I'm done. Care for a crown, anyone?
Moonlighting lost me with Maddie's ridiculous storyline of marrying a stranger she met on a train. I liked David, was glad they got together and to me that was just irresponsible and hurtful. Although to be honest I haven't watched since it aired so I may not be remembering all that well.

And man did I HATE the Ross and Rachel B.S. Friends was funny. The romantic stuff wasn't the reason I watched. Although they finally lost me when they paired Rachel and Joey. For some reason that was just gross to me.

Another huge mistake along these lines was Cordy and Angel. I thought they had a beautiful relationship. Caring and wonderful, brought them both up to another level in their humanity, turning it romantic absolutely ruined it. JMHO.

[ edited by Xane on 2006-10-16 17:36 ]
Jaynelovesvera, how's it going? I seize the crown to decree: the romance between Angela and that guy is evil, although I may just be crushing on Angela. And I loved early Moonlighting and wondered in the latter seasons what demon had possessed it.

ETA My favorite relationship in Bones is the friendship between Angela and Brennan, which they haven't done much with this season. One's all heart, the other's all head, so they supplement one another nicely. Merciful heavens, have I just launched a literary cyber-trend of a salacious nature?

And I just don't trust that fuzzy fellow with Angela. He's clearly on his best behavior. But whither will it lead? Or whence?

[ edited by Pointy on 2006-10-16 20:13 ]
I loved Gunsmoke; I'm surprised no one has made it into a movie. It'd be interesting to see how Miss Kitty and Matt are handled. Not to mention how Miss Kitty's "job" would be explained.

I prefer Bones and Booth to remain friends, with a little flirtation tossed in. I'm not sure they have the chemistry to sustain a sexual relationship. At least at this point in the show.
Not to mention how Miss Kitty's "job" would be explained.

Marshall Dillon woulda been the pimpin' mac daddy of Dodge City!

BTW, in shopping for X-mas gifts for my mother, I did find a couple of Gunsmoke tv movies this week, if that's any consolation.
Pointy, just remember it's not easy being king. As for crushing on Angela, you're not alone. I read she was on some show called The It Factor. If that was a game show and someone else won, "It" was a waste of time.
Speaking of Moonlighting, I just had a flash of memory. In one episode there's a shot of David sitting at a desk, dinosaur toy in one hand, King Kong in the other, and he's having them fight while he talks the parts. Maybe a subconscious influence on a later scene 500 years in the future.
Maybe. But how could gorillas exist with dinosaurs?
Anyway, the press should stop this efort to force the producers of Bones to get Booth and Brennan to sleep together. As I see it, Brennan doesn't seem to want a man in her life, and may have a problem about what to do if she did. Booth isn't sure what he wants, especially since he just spent the night with Cam. Angela and Jack should sleep together because they seem to be keen on it, and may have better luck than a forced Booth-Brennan pairing.

[ edited by impalergeneral on 2006-10-16 21:06 ]

[ edited by impalergeneral on 2006-10-16 21:09 ]
Read the Janeway/Chakotay comments on the first page. Didn't he end up with Seven Of Nine? Didn't see THAT comming.
He scored with seven of nine female cast members?
The press should keep it up. It's promotion for the show, not matter to be taken too seriously.
I love the Wallace and Veronica BFF interaction on Veronica Mars.

...if they ever get together however I may throw up in my mouth.
I wouldn't mind if Booth & Bones eventually got together, as long as they kept it light and funny and didn't make it too serious. But, just don't do it too soon. I'm enjoying the budding romance between Angela and Hodges too! He's quickly becoming one of my favorite characters!
X-files had jumped years before, IMO, but Sculder was one of the final nails for me. I'd very much enjoyed that they had a bond as partners which didn't depend on romantic interest to encompass loyalty to-the-death and (platonic) love then Carter blew it (IMO).

No, no, no, no! Mulder/Scully was great! The way it evolved, from work partners, to work mates, friends, to confidantes, to lovers. It did seem natural, they just grew closer and closer after all those years and close calls something was bound to happen.

But what do I know? I liked Dogget. I liked Reyes. I liked Season 8 alot. I enjoyed Season 9 more than 7.

Another huge mistake along these lines was Cordy and Angel. I thought they had a beautiful relationship. Caring and wonderful, brought them both up to another level in their humanity, turning it romantic absolutely ruined it. JMHO.

I think I would have liked it better had they felt it was romantic, and gotten upclose, then realised it wasn't romantic love. It was a love that means more than romance and more than friendship.

That said, You're Welcome? Totally sold me on the romance love.
The problem with Cordy/Angel was that it never happened.

The finale of Season 3 and the arc of Season 3 sucked that ship' into a black hole IMO.
Odysseus - I so agree! Turk and Carla are adorable. They make it work.

I'm trying to not read the X-Files comments. I'm only towards the end of season 2 on Netflix.
Gouki - well said on Cordelia/Angel - especially the insightfullness that was You're Welcome.

I loved the banter, the warmth, the caustic quips, the total dependence on one another. Whilst I appreciate that their relationship could have played better had the friendship remained untainted by the romance, they had a "touching affinity" that was endearing to watch all the same. I look back at their relationship and smile with fondness when I remember how they learnt from each other and grew in love. The writers mananged to redeem their relationship after pretty much keeping them apart but I think it would be interesting to see how Bones and Booth cotninue to develop their mutual understanding without
the romance.

It just goes to show that TV couples don't need to fall into some epic romance to hold any weight.

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