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February 06 2007

Comic Book Resources interview Joss. Here we go. Joss' take on him leaving Wonder Woman, the other script, and Goners: "'Goners' is the movie that is more me than anything else and that's the movie that I really want to make."

You beat me to it, gossi. I'd just noticed this over at CBR after going there to read the new Lying In The Gutters column and was debating whether to give it it's own thread or stick it in the never ending Joss thread. Don't need to make up my mind now.

And Go Goners!
Not much new there really but it's good to hear him re-affirm his 'Goners' commitment (in fact, without that re-affirmation, and if I were a more cynical fellow, I might wonder if they hadn't just re-jigged the comments he made here slightly and called it an interview. Y'know, if I were more cynical ;).
The article was supposedly posted on February 2nd, while Joss posted here on on the 3rd (just after midnight). It does sound weird because all the sites said the news came from Whedonesque.
This sounds like something Veronica Mars would investigate.
I believe it was Quotergal that compiled all these articles around post 350 of Joss's thread and this was one of them, so it has been around. They might have just managed to talk to Joss just before he posted at Whedonesque and written this while he was posting...or not.
I think CBR may have the scoop on Joss leaving but I have no idea when the article went online on Friday. So possibly Whedonesque did.

But it's refreshing to see an article with some new Joss quotes rather than the ones he made here. Which is why all the articles posted yesterday went the way of The WB. They didn't really say anything new.
I wonder if there's any chance in seeing Joss' script adapted as a comic book. I imagine that DC would certainly be up to it, with the high sales of Astonishing X-men, it would likely be a best-seller. However, at the same time, I imagine Warner Brothers might be against it, as they still own Joss' script and it could make them look bad if people really like his story. Maybe that might change a couple of years after the Wonder Woman movie comes out (that's assuming that one eventually gets made)? Either way, I hope that script eventually sees the light of day in one form or another, even if it's many years from now.
I'm on the joey train that I hope the WW script eventually appears (long after the movie is out*). DVD extra, Joel?

* I'd imagine WB would be pissed if it appeared before the movie is out.
I'm going to guess that now that Joss and Warner/Joel Silver have parted ways, the last thing they would want is to have Joss's script show up somewhere, Matt_Fabb. It would only invite people to make comparisons to the script they bought from those new guys. But that's only my guess, and I'll say it again -- I have no idea how Hollywood works.

Very interesting link, gossi. Maybe after CBR happened to call Joss just as he was able to release the news, Joss said to himself, yes, I need to make an official announcement to my peeps. I'm going to Whedonesque. (Then to Disneyland.) ;-)
Matt_Fabb, good idea! And since Warner Brothers and DC are part of the same company, the rights thing might be fixable...

But on the other hand, DC is having enough problems with the recent Wonder Woman relaunch, and they have the continuity-free 'All-Star Wonder Woman' coming up, too, so they may not want to add any more confusion.
IMHO, it's a GOOD thing Joss has ankled this project. The suits at WB are clearly flipping out, since in this same time period, they also canned Goyer off of FLASH and replaced him with hack of hacks...wait for it...SHAWN LEVY. That's right...Cheaper By The Dozen remake, The frakkin' Pink Panther remake. So obviously they are going to make yet another unfunny comedy. I guess they figured they've paid enough respect to the characters, and it's time to just toss crap out there. Catwoman, anyone?

Again, my thoughts only, but Joss belongs with his OWN stuff. He's had a taste of how these yahoos operate, and he's a Nietzschian (?) powerhouse as a result. He'll use it, move on, and blow our minds with GONERS.
I agree VerseRoamer, "Joss belongs with his OWN stuff"!!!

I hope he can find his way back to television. Not that I am blaiming him for wanting to make movies, especially since tehre are plenty with people who has less then half his talet putting together big Hollywood blockbusters.
It could be like the script that Kevin Smith did for the Superman movie. You can sometimes see that script floating around cons and if "An Evening with Kevin Smith" is true, he apparently signs copies of the script "Fuck Tim Burton." It'd be great to see Joss sign copies of his script like that.
Oh I dunno VerseRoamer, it's not like the original 'Pink Panther' is a minor comedy classic featuring one of the funniest, most talented actor/comedians of the 20th century. Oh wait...

Yeah, Warner do seem to be having little 'episodes' all over the place at the moment. Goyer was pretty well suited to 'The Flash' IMO and I may be wrong but it sure seems like they're going down the crypto-parody route judging by their choice. Who knows though, right ?

Re: the date of postage precedence mentioned above, isn't it possible that's just down to time difference ? Joss posted here on the 3rd of Feb at 0:55 CET. That's E for 'European' kids i.e. ahead in the time sense so it'd still have been Feb 2nd in the US (in some parts for quite a few hours yet). Are CBR's times/dates also in CET ?

(note i'm not in the least bothered about scoops etc., just accuracy/honest representation)
Yeah, Warner do seem to be having little 'episodes' all over the place at the moment. Goyer was pretty well suited to 'The Flash' IMO and I may be wrong but it sure seems like they're going down the crypto-parody route judging by their choice. Who knows though, right?

I expect to hear them ressurrecting the comedic Green Lantern movie starring Jack Black, anyday now.
Now, what about a sequel, for Catwoman?

[ edited by Numfar PTB on 2007-02-06 16:53 ]
Saje, that was pretty much what I was assuming as well. Joss posted here close to midnight so it is entirely possible that there will be articles at other sites that were written afterwards but appear to be dated earlier than they really were. I would imagine that CBR's times would likely relate to times Stateside, meaning that they could be anything between five and eight hours behind, but on that I'm not completely certain.

Time zone issues give me a headache.
"Joss belongs with his OWN stuff"!!!


Like Astonishing X-Men and Runaways.
Yeah !

...

Hey, wait a minute ! Why of all the sneaky, underhanded ...
Joss didn't create the X-Men?

So that Stan Lee guy wasn't kidding around after all. Go figure.

Wait, does that mean that Joss was lying when he said that he created Robin Hood and wrote the first draft of the Bible too? That crazy nut!
That Flash thing is just sad. I bet they are gonna lose Ryan Reynolds, too, who would have been just perfect for the role -- snarky but muscle-y. I'm just sayin'.

BTW, the thing that bothered me the most reading the review of the new WW script that they posted at Latino Review? That the whole beginning of the script after the Amazons were defeated in a battle was about effin' Steve Trevor, THEN finally got around to Themys...er, WW's island, and Diana herself. Does not sound like grrrl power to me, yo. :-(
Wait, does that mean that Joss was lying when he said that he created Robin Hood and wrote the first draft of the Bible too? That crazy nut!


I think you are confusing his book "Bye Belle", which had to change its name after a long legal battle, when the Bible came out at the same time. It was about a beauty who fell in love with a beast, and after they realize how happy they were, one of them died. I believe Joss was so jaded after the legal battle that he said he would never write a story line like that again...
Hi li'l fungi! It's your uncle Jossy with a couple points of clarity. One: There is no definitive 'script' for you guys to dig up. I did a draft that had all the big moments but was structurally wonky, then an outline for a much tighter version, but by that time the end was already in sight, so I never got to do the final definitive draft of the movie I would have made. Besides, anything I've done that the studio ended up wanting to use they could so they'll protect it as they would any of previous attepmts. It's time to let go. And for the record, I would never sign a copy of anything "F@&% so-and-so". This is not my way, and besides, no one here f@&%ed me over. Now if you have a script of "Firefly"... No! Not my way. Zen way.

Finally, right after I posted I had to do interviews and the first thing I told CBR when they asked about WW was "check out Whedonesque." Then I just explained. That's why they followed so hard upon.

Back to work! (Me, not you. You guys hang out. Post among yourselves.) -j.
Post among yourselves.


That's what we do best. Cheers for the clarity ummm clarification.
Yes, thanks, Joss, for clearing things up. Guess those forged "definitive drafts" I had ready for eBay aren't worth the paper they're forged on, now.
Hey, Joss. Thanks for clarity of points. Always good to have your points all clear... or something like that...

OneTeV - "I think you are confusing his book "Bye Belle", which had to change its name after a long legal battle, when the Bible came out at the same time."

Aaah, that's right. So easy to get those two books confused. Although, like Joss, I tend to find Bye Belle a lot more believable. ;)
Hmmm. This article mentions the following as an upcoming project:

"Whedon has several other projects in the pipeline, including the thriller Goners for Universal and an adaptation of Marvel Comics Runaways, about superpowered teens."

Is that just a mistaken reference to the Runaways comic, or is there a movie projects in the works? Inquiring minds are really damn curious.
right after I posted I had to do interviews and the first thing I told CBR when they asked about WW was "check out Whedonesque."

Joss loves us the mostest! :-D

Zen way, boss, Zen way. I hear ya! ;-)
Ah, sweet, sweet, purple clarity. Cheers Joss.

Also, I nominate attepmts as the new flan. If there isn't a Mt. Attep anywhere yet how much does it cost to name a mountain ? And if we wanted to put a 'Walk of Fame' star on the top would that be extra ?

Also, also "Back to work!", now thems welcome words (given the aforementioned 'not me' caveat ;). As we type, stuff is fermenting, percolating, other metaphors for creating-ing. Warm fuzzy much ?

(and I wouldn't worry palehorse, at least 3 sites will no-doubt quote him as saying "It's your uncle Jossy with a ... definitive script for you guys to dig !" by midnight so plenty of room for nefarious profiteering ;)
Post among yourselves.) -j.


Yes, boss. And what Simon said (yes, pun intended).
"structurally wonky"

I love this guy.
He's so zen.

Sigh...now back to work, boss says, "Me, not you. You guys hang out. Post among yourselves," doesn't count as an excused absence.
Back to work! (Me, not you.

Does this mean I don't have to work? I'm going to tell my boss Joss said so. And then get fired and blame you, Joss.

Yes, it's good to have goals.

Also, I think this shall be the last time I mention Wonder Woman. I mean, I said that about Firefly many years and failed so completely the cows still laugh at me, but still.
loves us the mostest...totally.
Personally, I'd love to have a script singed by Joss that said "F@&% so-and-so". I'd imagine he'd make a smiley out of the '@'.
"F@&% you, Josh!", he should scribble, whilst stroking his suitcase full of soap.
Fungi? Just because certain people closely resemble fungi in their essence and behavior is not a good reason to call them that out loud. No wonder you're not currently getting ahead in big-time Hollywood, with your manners, master.
Or it could be a Craig Ferguson reference.
I'm sure he just meant because we thrive in the black. While covered in shit. Is that better ? I'm not totally convinced.

Or maybe because there's not mush-room in here ? Eh ? Geddit ? HAHAAHHHAHAHAHHAHAH !

Hmm, might've oversold that punchline a bit. Or undersold ! (how do you do flashing text ?)
There is never justification for flashing text, Saje.
Okay. I am so over that wonderwoman thing. Since I am a newbie here will somebody please tell me about this Goners movie? What's it about? Vampires? Ghosts? Spaceships? Flying Frogs?

Vampire ghosts on spaceships with flying frogs? And can I buy my ticket stub in advance?
kerfuffle, hey, total self pimpage: Goners, The Motion Picture. Unfortunately, I removed a lot of the quotes from Joss about what the movie is about as I suspect he's gettin' bored/slightly freaked out by people collating everything about the movie he says. But the blog contains some details, and the forums have a derth (is that even a word?) of information hidden away. Oh, and there's a passworded forum with the lamest password ever. The site even has it's own troll now, so it must be taking off.

[ edited by gossi on 2007-02-06 19:35 ]
Thx gossi. I must go now.
And lurk.
derth. Or "dearth" properly spelled. I don't think that word means what you think it means.
dearth: an inadequate supply
Oh great, spoil the surprise. Barely seems any point in even finishing the 'Cs' now.

(and gossi, I know you meant 'no justification except the mush-room punchline' so we're on totally the same wavelength re: flashing text)
Those quotes gossi doesn't have up anymore can be found on the bottom of my Goners blog, under "Joss on Goners".
Obeying the master by spending my lunch hour talking with y'all. I have to work the rest of the time so I can afford to see Goners mutiple times in the theatre.
And personally, even if a structurally wonky version showed up, I'd read it.
Hi li'l fungi!

I've been called many things in my young life, but it's a new sincere sensation being called a fungus. I checked various definitions, just to be sure I fully understood the deep beauty of our new moniker, and we are "lower" plants, "infections," usually "non-mobile, filamentous, and multicellular," "primitive," "the most common cause of infectious disease," "unmoving," "parasitic" ("unable to make its own food.") Some of us "stabilize sewage and digest composted waste."

Well, I think we're cute. :>

"Reproduction is accomplished by spores..."

Okay, everything else seemed accurate, but that's just not true.

Thanks for the update, Jossir, you know we would walk through "undigested waste" (apparently) just to read your merest discarded outline (or shopping list, as the case may be.)

In re: Goners group - yeah, what gossi said: a troll is some kindof a milestone, and we do gots one. They make lousy pets, and ours isn't housebroken yet. We've had to install litter boxes everywhere and spray air freshener around the threads.

And we ain't got no dearth there or mebbe we have too much.


ET: fix ghastly typo.

[ edited by QuoterGal on 2007-02-06 22:14 ]
OK.
I've got a handle on this Goners-soon-to-be-a-blockbuster-movie thing now.

So some unsolicited, unexpert-like advice to Joss. (Cause that's the best kind)

1. You should get the people who did the special effects for Constantine. That movie would have been wicked if it had half a script.
2 .You should write a part for Nick Brendon. An evil part. Because he was so good in The Pack.
3. You should finish your script now, today, pronto baby. Because I have a 'dearth' of Whedon in my diet lately.

[ edited by kerfuffle on 2007-02-06 21:29 ]
QuoterGal you made me laugh laugh laugh. Fungi, indeed.
dearth: an inadequate supply

Fun fact: I've gone through my entire life thinking dearth meant something else. In fact, the opposite.

Er, hurray!
Well, gossi, maybe you were thinking of girth?

Yes, I know. Lame. Wait, is that a clue?
Joss likes to cook. Some people like to eat mushrooms.
Maybe we are tasty little morsels?
Or he thinks we are hallucinations?
Hi li'l fungi! .... It's time to let go.


Let go? Let go? I don't think so! There is only one resonse for that:

Take my love, take my land
Take me where I cannot stand
I don't care, I'm still free
You can't take Wonder Woman's star-spangled panties away from me


... Hmm, maybe it is time to move on.

Since we won't have the wild WW rumors to read anymore, can we start new ones? Like suggesting that Mr Whedon has taken over the Flash project, maybe. Or that the li'l fungi reference was actually a clue that he is going to remake "Attack of the Mushroom People" instead of Goners.
And personally, even if a structurally wonky version showed up, I'd read it.

muahahaha.....yes. Especially for that.....wuhduhyacallit? Great dialogue? Yes, that stuff. :D
they also canned Goyer off of FLASH and replaced him with hack of hacks...wait for it...SHAWN LEVY. That's right...Cheaper By The Dozen remake, The frakkin' Pink Panther remake.
Oh God, oh God, we're going to die.
I had the Pink Panther remake displayed on a screen in front of me while on a long bus ride. Even trying not to watch it, what came through was one of the more horrible experiences of my viewing life. If this guy gets his hands on Wonder Woman will there be any place to hide?
yes, trolls are very cute. Would someone like to adopt the troll at Goners?
I'm afraid we just can't keep him.

anyone?
mifeng, I heard that the troll was adopted by troll-loving owners and went to live in a big farm upstate with a large, fenced-in meadow where it can play with lots of other little adopted trolls.

Um, you know, that nice farm where we send all of our unwanted trolls?

It's not widely known that there are people that can stand to be around trolls, but apparently there's someone for everybody...

:>
QG-
well, that just warms my heart.
In that, "look at that, the poison worked!" sort of way.
ok, today I just suck, what with the double posting.

[ edited by mifeng on 2007-02-07 02:05 ]

[ edited by mifeng on 2007-02-07 02:06 ]
"fungi" = "fun guy" with a typo? ;-)
That was my first thought too, bilz,..with the wink.

That was nice of Joss to let us know that he actually did tell us first. I'm not someone that cares about that particular thing, being told first, but I do care when someone is being thoughtful. It means a lot. It is really thoughtful to give us something that will matter to many people in and of itself and then to make sure that we understand that it was not a fluke or an accident, but a gift.

Thanks, Joss. That was very sweet.
So long as you got paid, JW, I promise not to hate the studio. I will simply lament their lousy judgement.
Like the other said, I'd much rather see Whedon work on his own stuff. I'm not much for comic book movies anyway...
Usually when Joss posts it leads to many people posting and the thread getting really long, but this time: not so much. Do you think it was because Joss was kinda giving a smack down to his own personal fungi (and I'm not sure how I feel about being Joss' fungi). Well, I promise to stop bad-mouthing Joel Silver, but I shall feel free to continue to resent those who canceled 'Firefly' (what? Isn't that what he SAID?!).
Embers, I think it's more that Joss didn't actually start this thread and so not everybody will even have realised he has posted in here, hence the lower comment count.

Besides, I'm personally not all that insulted about being described as fungi. I've had worse insults than that over the years.

Now if he had called me a chav I would have been burning my Firefly DVD boxset immediately. ;)
Hi li'l fungi!

Joss. I'm not supposed to snort with laughter when I'm at the reception desk. You devil.
derth. Or "dearth" properly spelled. I don't think that word means what you think it means.


Inconceivable!

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