"I'm a purist about Daredevil, and actually am a fan of that [movie]. I realize I have friends who are right now falling over and clutching their hearts, but it's got some good classic storytelling in that movie. Some doesn't work, but it's underrated."

*clutches heart, keels over* *stops, gets up* Actually that movie wasn't as bad as it was made out to be.


"We really can take the characters wherever we want — and of course that means I can kill them."

*gets scared*

Trek_Girl42 | February 07, 01:06 CET

Well, that's a pretty misleading headline. Seems like they're trying to start rumours. But surely they wouldn't do that...

jcs | February 07, 01:11 CET

I'm not the only one in the world who liked Daredevil? Nifty.

The Dark Shape | February 07, 01:11 CET

Oooh, more Goners talk.

*goes to add to blog*

theonetruebix | February 07, 01:22 CET

LOL!

menomegirl | February 07, 01:27 CET

I agree with Joss about Daredevil (there was just a little too much fanservice in it).

How do they go from "It's doubtful that would happen" to "'Buffy' Has A Big-Screen Chance"?

Start the campaign for a Joss X-movie spin-off! (But after Goners. The more I hear about that, the more it seems right up my alley.)

Niels | February 07, 01:28 CET

Fun interview. My favorite part:

(talking about Wonder Woman) She's a fish out of water. It's basically "Splash." I just took the script from "Splash" and changed some of the names. Not all the names; I like some of the names.

Hee.

fortunateizzi | February 07, 01:29 CET

Grr argh. Double post.

[ edited by Telltale on 2007-02-06 23:30 ]

Niels | February 07, 01:29 CET

Well, if we went in that direction, Daryl Hannah would be Wonder Woman, and Tom Hanks would be Steve Trevor. Come to think of it, that could have worked if this were 1984.

impalergeneral | February 07, 01:34 CET

Erm, isn't this just an interview from when he was first asked to write it ? They've even left it in present tense.

(not trying to poop on anyone's parade. Won't make that mistake a third time I can tell ya ;)

Saje | February 07, 01:37 CET

I actually happen to know that this interview was conducted about three weeks ago. Obviously before the recent WW news, but well hen he was into the project.

Buffy SingALong | February 07, 01:46 CET

I personally didn't care for the Daredevil film, but to each his own, right. :)

I would lurve, lurve, lurve a Buffy/Angel movie, though. I can't believe that no one's mentioned this before. ;)

NaughtyBoozeHound | February 07, 01:48 CET

I thought Daredevil was a great film, and I had never even heard of the story before the movie. Nice to hear Joss say something good about it.

Batman Begins is a whole other story for me. Totally disagree with Joss there. I'm not one who thinks getting Batman right is easy, since I've never seen a film where the character even remotely worked for me, and I don't think it was a good movie. Badman comes of especially bad in the comparison with Sin City, which came out around the same time, shared some of the themes and was incredible. I've never read a Batman comic, so I'm clearly not target demo, though.

the Groosalugg | February 07, 02:06 CET

I actually happen to know that this interview was conducted about three weeks ago.

Ah, OK (still not exactly 'the eve of his exit' IMO but I guess it's far from the least accurate news story we've seen or will again).

Cool, since this thread is probably staying then, I always wondered about a bit in 'Daredevil' where DD (we're close, OK ? ;) drapes himself over a cross with his arms wrapped around the cross-beams. In Buffy S5 or 6 (?) Spike does exactly the same thing (and it burns him), I remember thinking at the time it looked familiar (it struck a cord cos it was kind of posed) and even the themes felt similar but that was before I saw the movie.

Anyone know what the hell i'm talking about and if so is it an iconic image from the 'Daredevil' comics (or from some other art) or am I just bloody bananas ? Everytime I see the shot on either 'show' it bugs me anew ;).

And a Buffy/Angel movie ? Genius idea ! But ... who would play Buffy ?

*ducks*

Saje | February 07, 02:06 CET

I've added a caveat to the effect that the interview was conducted before Black Friday Wondygate. Also added the MTV interview to the subject line as well.

Simon | February 07, 02:10 CET

I kind of love this interview, especially the part about KITTY PRYDE.

After the way X3 jumped up and down on my heart and crushed it, I need something GOOD from them. So I'm counting on... SPIDERMAN 3. (Not Joss, that's too much pressure. We'll leave all the pressure on Sam Raimi, because I've never met him.)

The problem I had with Daredevil was that parts of it seriously didn't make sense. Like the fight on the playground.

I found Elektra tolerable, though. I think there's something wrong with me.

Kiba | February 07, 02:20 CET

Saje, Spike draped over the cross was in Season 7. I forget what episode exactly.

Love the idea of a B/A movie, but not holding my breath for that to actually happen.

I also love the idea of a Kitty Pryde spin-off after reading Astonishing X-Men.

[ edited by Haikes on 2007-02-07 00:22 ]

Haikes | February 07, 02:20 CET

Ok I'm in for the "Kitty Pryde" movie written/directed by Joss. Where can we sign?

Yorick | February 07, 02:30 CET

I would love a big screen Buffy/Angel theatrical film.A slam bang event that brings both cast together.I'm glad that Joss says the season 8 comics wouldn't prevent this and the fact he thinks it would be fun to do it with SMG and DB.I think if Joss actually approached SMG and DB with his actual ideas for a feature,he might be in for a nice surprise from them.I mean they've both said they would be open to it under the right conditions.It's just a matter of it being a feature and what Joss's actual ideas are to get the ball rolling.Most of the rest of the cast would probably be up for it too.Many of them were up for the T.V./DVD movie.

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Buffyfantic | February 07, 02:46 CET

I would have to fudge it with David, like "He got his mortality back for five years and then he lost it again," or something like that.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

crossoverman | February 07, 02:50 CET

Am I the only one that doesn't want to see a Buffy/Angel movie?

*hides from flying projectiles*

Maybe it's just me, but I really think television was the best medium for that world. I have a lot of trouble imagining our favorite champions on the big screen.

deepgirl187 | February 07, 02:54 CET

deepgirl187 said:



I would go see it if there were one but I'm not clamoring for it.

Kiba | February 07, 03:02 CET

It'd be nice but I can't see Sarah or David doing it, I get the feeling they've moved and I respect them for that.They did a smashing job on the show and I love them dearly for it.

And as some one pointed out to me a wee while back, what if it did actually happen? Would the Buffy season 8 comic books become non-canon? The theory being that any Buffy or Angel continuation on the telly or the silver screen would ignore what happened in the comic books.

Simon | February 07, 03:10 CET

Saje,
The DD series didn't have a whole lot of religious iconography (as in none) when I was reading it, which was from issue No. 1 (neon yellow costume anyone?) all the way up through the Elektra's resurrection, about which time I gave up reading comics because it was just too damn expensive, I can say I don't remember ever seeing DD draping himself around a cross. There could've been a new direction since I gave it up, but it wasn't historically part of the character. Stan Lee is Jewish (as am I). We don't tend to go in for a lot of Jesus imagery.

Haven't seen the DD movie, or the Elektra, or Spidey, or the recent Batman goeth and Superman cometh or whatever. Did see all 3 Xs. I have to say that when it comes to comic books I think they work a whole lot better as, well, comics books, than as movies. I mean, yes, Patrick Stewart was born to play Professor X (he didn't even have to shave his head), and Ian McKellan was of course brillaint as Magneto - I would pay to watch that man play a turnip, but it's just not the right medium. Every comic series has been around for ages and has built up a history and mythos, and you can't just cram that into a 2-hour movie, even 3 2-hour movies.

Actually, that may be one of the reasons I had some hope for Joss's take on Wondy. For all the years her mag has been around, it's never had a really coherent storyline that defined her character, the way the Dark Knight aspect defined Batman or Krypton exploding did Superman. Wondy was still in a lot of ways a blank. Joss would have given her a real story, one that made emotional sense, not to mention being full of clever quips, even if it was just Splash with (some of) the names changed. Splash was damn funny!

But I noticed that Joss forgot about the tiara. He knew Wondy's story was all about the bracelets and the lasso, and the invisible plane, but he forgot to mention the tiara.

barboo | February 07, 03:12 CET

I don't think the season 8 comics would become non-canon.I think Joss would work that into any film and the movie would be set at some point after these comics.He's basically asked that,here.I wouldn't be surprised if he worked the Fray timeline into it as well.How we went from a dozen slayers at the end of Chosen to none,as well as no more magics and demons.Remember these comics were originally going to tie into the DVD character based movies.So having the comics and an on-screen continuation working together is not a new idea.

Buffyfantic | February 07, 03:26 CET

Elektra was so horrid I gave up ever watching DD, though I am not a Marvel fan to begin with. However, Joss nailed it spot on with his comment about Ellen Page and Kitty Pryde- boy, you want to see some hellacious acting, scary damn good, see Hard Candy with her. BTW, if ever I wanted someone to play Melaka Fray, she would be it by a landslide.

Dana5140 | February 07, 03:35 CET

Add me to the list of folks who would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE a big screen Buffy movie reuniting David and Sarah and some combination of the two casts of both Buffy and Angel. I also won't hold my breath for it, but man - it'd make my year. I'm always happy to see Joss be open to the idea and that he mentions both Sarah AND David - even if it never happens. :wub:

love4ba | February 07, 03:36 CET

I'm not big with the Buffy/Angel movie idea either. Two hours just isn't enough time for a proper story for them, we need a season for that.

What I do want (after the Goners movie) is a Kitty Pryde movie. the idea screems Joss, he wanted to do a big heroine and he already loves Kitty. He is also known for writing her character great on Astonishing. Where do we send the letters?

urkonn | February 07, 03:37 CET

I gotta say it. Giving all due respect to David Boreanaz, Sarah Michelle Gellar and James Marsters and the characters they portrayed...

But Buffy, Angel and Spike are not the be-all/end-all of the Buffy/Angelverse. Frankly, I'd watch anything Joss Whedon put out about the other characters he created.

menomegirl | February 07, 03:38 CET

Anyone know what the hell i'm talking about and if so is it an iconic image from the 'Daredevil' comics (or from some other art) or am I just bloody bananas ?

Far be it from me to say someone is not bananas, but yeah, that was copied from an image Joe Quesada drew in the first arc of Daredevil vol.2.

Compare: Comic and movie.

barboo, maybe it wasn't there from the very start, but Daredevil has been portrayed as a practicing Catholic for a long time.

Niels | February 07, 03:39 CET

Joss I love you. It's not said enough, so I'm saying it.

MySerenity | February 07, 03:49 CET

I'm thrilled that Joss would want to work with Sarah and David again, and that a BtVS movie would naturally include Angel. Wish it could happen, it won't, but I'd love to see them on the big screen.

maje | February 07, 04:16 CET

Well, it does not cost anything to say it- makes people happy and puts the onus off onto SMG and DB as the ones who likely would not make it happen. That said, I'd prefer to see a Willow flic, and given I just read the AH is looking for an indie film or two to do while HIMYM is on summer hiatus, hey, there you go! Or, mavbe she could play Emma Frost to Ellen Page's Kitty. :-)

Dana5140 | February 07, 04:55 CET

Batman Begins as the "only batman movie since Mask of the Phantasm" = hell yes.
The animated universe Bruce Timm created was a great one indeed. Not to mention the extended JLU made great use of Whedonverse voice actors. :)

megaloo | February 07, 05:08 CET

Yeah, the Daredevil movie is underrated. There is some really good stuff in there, not page accurate, but the tone is right.

With Elektra, I knew going in that there was not going to be anything resembling the 8 issue mini series, so I let what I knew and loved about the books go and tried to watch with a less informed eye.

The Elektra/Wolverine graphic novel 'Redeemer' is highly recommended reading too.

herb | February 07, 05:28 CET

Wow and Wow. Joss showing interest in continuing Buffy big screen with Sarah Michelle Gellar and David Boreanaz has just made my day. Truly. It would be like a dream come true for this Buffy fan. Can you imagine? Joss writes Buffy on the BIG SCREEN. Wow.
Aside from the obvious thrill of seeing SMG portray Buffy again and David as Angel, Joss writing it, ALL of it, I can't imagine anything better. Nada.
You are the man Joss. Always. Thanks for making this Buffy experience better with each passing day.

Dana5140. No it doesn't cost anything to say the words but the words really haven't changed. Joss has always, to my knowledge, been interested in revisiting Buffy big screen. Why wouldn't he? Buffy blows all the super heroes away. I remember an interview in which Joss said that after SMG had more roles under her belt, he believed she would reprise the role for a big screen movie.
If I'm reading him correctly, it's more of the same. He's STILL interested. That's my take anyway. I don't read any blame or pointing fingers in this interview.

Slightly OT but can you imagine all the new images? All the new merchandise? More story, more dialog, more everything. Again, just wow.

cheryl | February 07, 05:39 CET

I like Daredevil.I think the director's cut is better but both version are good.I'm interested in seeing what MSJ has done with Ghost Rider.

Buffyfantic | February 07, 05:52 CET

Can you imagine? Joss writes Buffy on the BIG SCREEN. Wow.

Heh.

theonetruebix | February 07, 06:32 CET

"Batman Begins as the "only batman movie since Mask of the Phantasm" = hell yes.
The animated universe Bruce Timm created was a great one indeed. Not to mention the extended JLU made great use of Whedonverse voice actors. :)"

I dont know, Mask of the Phantasm was great, but so was the Batman Beyond movie: Return of the Joker, and the Batman/Superman movie. Of course, the JL and the JLU are pretty much the best cartoons ive ever seen so thats cool. You know what move I really hope they make? The season 2 finale of JL, Starcrossed where Hawkgirl...wow that would be a great movie. Or even the season 2 of the JLU where The Flash is the hero...

The first Batman with Nicholson was good too, but not really Batman, but I really loved Batman Begins. Thats the closest Ive seen, other than pretty much anything Bruce Timm did, to capturing Batman.

On the Buffy movie, that would be cool to see. I dont know if any of the verse actors would come back though, and I dont know if any film company would do it. Sounds like its dead in the water...

jerryst3161 | February 07, 07:02 CET

cheryl: I'm as sure as I can be that if he could get SMG and DB, he'd likely do the flic. No question. Of course, he won't, and he was honest about the likelihood of that happening, so again, it is easy to say- and I impute no evil in his saying it, just not taking it to mean any more than were it possible, he'd do it.

Dana5140 | February 07, 07:08 CET

Thanks for the clarification Dana. I'll admit that I have been a little confused about why everyone always assumes that Sarah Michelle Gellar and David Boreanaz aren't interested in reprising the roles that made them famous. The information out there about what these two actors have said, well, it isn't that they wouldn't reprise the roles.
I guess I am firmly in the camp of, if Joss has a serious idea and takes it to the two leads, it will be:
A. Big screen, which was what David said it needed to be for him to reprise the role. and
B. A Kick Ass script, which obviously it would be, Joss is writing it. That was Sarah's condition.
I guess what I really wish is that these three highly talented people find themselves together at the Same Time, Same Place.
Minus the skin eating demon. :)

cheryl | February 07, 07:25 CET

Reading a Joss interview just brings a smile to my face... Followed by a stern frown when I heard that a Buffy movie is unlikely...

Simpleba | February 07, 07:36 CET

Well I just have to add that since he didn't mention James Marsters, and since I doubt that the movie will happen anyway, I'm not too excited with any of this.

"It's doubtful that would happen" are Joss' words exactly.
And without Spike, I wouldn't care anyway.

Xane | February 07, 09:00 CET

Do a Kitty Pride movie!

dakoulkid | February 07, 09:46 CET

I can't imagine that SMG and DB would ever be available at the same time with the right level of interest to recreate their roles. The chances of that happening are just astronomical. Wishing won't make it happen.

How about a Melaka Fray movie? I'd be all over that.

TamaraC | February 07, 10:36 CET

Faith movie definitely mentioned at the beginning of one of the clips. Wiiiiiiiiiiiiii. I would see it every day for a week/month/year/restoflife. :P

[ edited by themayor on 2007-02-07 09:44 ]

themayor | February 07, 11:42 CET

Due to copyright reasons, I cannot view the videos unless I travel across the pond to the US :s

Would anyone be kind enough to give the specific comments about the mention of a possible Faith movie?

Dalton | February 07, 13:39 CET

Weird, I don't live in the US but I didn't have a problem watching it.
He barely mentions a Faith movie, he just says that a story he thought would work great for a Faith movie would just not be as great in a comic because Eliza wouldn't be playing her.
The part I liked most in the video interview was when Joss accidentally says he "did Speed" then swallows his words and rephrases to say "when I rewrote Speed".

urkonn | February 07, 14:57 CET

Telltale, you are da frikkin man, man ! Yep, that's what I was thinking of I reckon. Spike (in S7 as it turns out, cheers Haikes) does it slightly differently (he's more upright and lays his arms on top of the cross-pieces I think) but it was similar enough to trigger the memory (from who knows where, i've never been a big Daredevil reader). Wonder if Joe Q and/or Joss separately were inspired by something else ?

Re: Batman, 'Batman Begins' is the best live action movie so far IMO, 'Mask of the Phantasm', depending on the day, might still be my favourite Batman film ('Forever' had one true 'Batman' moment when he leaps down the tower without hesitation to save both victims. Guy doesn't quit. Guy doesn't compromise. 'Batman and Robin' = Highlander 2 *lalala doesn't exist lalala* ;). And anything Timm has touched is almost guaranteed to be gold ("Divided We Fall" could be my favourite cartoon episode ever - maybe apart from all the rest ;). "Are you going to fight me, boy ?". Goosebumps).

BB isn't perfect but I think all the problems are basically just origin story issues (pacing problems etc.). Non-fans I watched it with complained about other things, especially Batman's voice. I reckon this is because they see Bruce Wayne in a bat-suit. This, in turn, is because they are maniacs ;). Batman isn't Bruce Wayne in a bat-suit, Batman is Batman in a bat-suit. He's almost a separate personality, like two halves of a person's brain (in fact some stories have treated Wayne/Batman as a very high functioning schizophrenic).

(after a bit of getting used to, I thought the voice was brilliant, sort of feral, like he was spitting the words out and the whole tone of the film as a sort of PG urban horror movie was spot on)

barboo, I agree that some comics make very bad two hour films and that some are just best left as comics (can't imagine a 'Watchmen' movie being as good as the comic and though 'V for Vendetta' was a passable film with a worthwhile message, it wasn't a patch on the layered, resonant and emotive comics version). I'm not sure i'd apply it across the board though since it can work: 'Sin City', 'Batman Begins', 'Spiderman 2', 'Superman', 'X-Men 2' etc. are all great movies IMO. 'Superman Returns', much as I - get ready with the rotten fruit everyone - liked it would've been even better at only two hours ;).

Saje | February 07, 15:10 CET

So Xane you are uninterested in any continuation of the Buffy or Angel 'verse without Spike? Interesting...

love4ba | February 07, 16:34 CET

As I commented before my major problem with BB is a lack of heart. Really, I left the theather saying it's a good movie, but something was missing.
I loved the voice thing, though. That should actually happen more clearly with Superman. I don't remember wear I read it, about Clark, lowering his own voice by about a whole octave, when he's Superman, and his voice is actually a lot lighter when he's Clark. So it's something just silly, about Clark wear glasses and Superman doesn't.
There's always the analogy about Bruce wayne being the disguise, instead of Batman. The real Bruce Wayne is Batman, who became the "creature" who wants to bring fear or actually, should be the definition of fear. It's a complicated dichotomy.



There was actually a comment from Joss in some interview, about the possibility of a sequence for Fray. He did comment about how he'd like to work on a sequel, where he'll fix that big conundrun, between the end of Chosen, and what Urkonn told Melaka.
And I was thinking about this yesterday. That the end of magic thing was told to Mel, through Urkonn. It was nothing that we saw by fact. It wouldn't be surprising to me, if there was some lie into it. Maybe was something, he told her just motivate her, just like what he did with Loo was also about motivate her towards some action.
It just like those few words from Buffy, in those preview pages from BtVS#1 (Seasom 8), about how Andrew created that Immortal cover and also about the Buffy stand ins. It does make you question every single information Andrew told the Fang Gang, both in "Damage" and in "The Girl in Question" and even when they tryed to reach Will, to help in the Illyria situation..

Numfar PTB | February 07, 17:01 CET

TamaraC...just curious but why do you say that? If SMG can do movies while giving us week after week of Buffy, couldn't DB do the same? With Bones?
Honestly I think assigning disinterest in reprising the roles is a little premature. Joss hasn't even written a script for a movie. I mean, I don't think he has.
I would assume that most actors don't get too excited about playing a role until they have an offer to do so. Quite simply, there is no role until Joss takes it to them.
Everyone needs something to wish for. It makes the world go round. This wish put a smile on my face, a little spring in my walk and a hope in my heart that wasn't there a week ago.

cheryl | February 07, 17:21 CET

Saje, I'm disappointed in you. I would think any true Buffy fan would know which episode the 'Spike draped over the cross' scene came from, given that it was such an important moment with Buffy realising that Spike had had his soul restored. It was actually at the end of Beneath You, just in case it hasn't already been mentioned.

Tut tut. Now got to your room and get caught up on your Buffy trivia immediately. ;)

Regarding the movie, I can't imagine anyone here would not want to see such a project go ahead. Personally I'm doubtful that all the players can be available at the same time, given that many of them have pretty damn successful careers at the moment, but if it could happen then I'd love to see what a Buffy/Angel movie would look like.

I don't see any reason why the new Buffy comic would be made non-canon should the movie happen though. In fact, it actually would make more sense to use the comic series as a way to set up the movie. A bridge between the end of the two series and the movie, if you like.

Whatever happens, if Joss makes it, I'll be there.

Demon-X | February 07, 19:08 CET

"Would anyone be kind enough to give the specific comments about the mention of a possible Faith movie?"

Dalton, it is referenced in the Buffy movie clip. Nothing in-depth unfortunately, except the knowledge that Joss and the interviewer specifically discussed it. :)

themayor | February 07, 20:25 CET

Roxtar, i'm currently setting up a 'Clockwork Orange' style conditioning chamber so I can play all the DVDs on constant loop without blinking. Not sure but I reckon 5-6 months should probably do it. Bad, bad me ;).

... my major problem with BB is a lack of heart.

Yeah, I can kind of see that Numfar PTB, parts of it felt a bit clinical. Maybe they were too worried about grounding the film so that the 'naturalistic' feel of it kind of overshadowed the emotional hits ?

(it still had some though, Jim Gordon's simple kindness towards the young, grieving Bruce Wayne was a nice moment. As was, in its own way, the sort of bookend to that, "I never thanked you" ... "And you'll never have to").

The Batman/Bruce Wayne thing's varied a bit over the years but yeah, it's never been as clear cut as Superman (Smallville Clark/Metropolis Clark/Superman - with Superman basically being a way to allow Smallville Clark to help people and still maintain a life). With Batman it's more Playboy Bruce/then several gradings of 'real Bruce' in between/then Batman - with Batman definitely more than just a disguise in most incarnations. He can be in the costume for instance but with the cowl off he's the very serious end of 'real Bruce', cowl on he's Batman. Interestingly, the darkness only really comes out when his face is covered, when he becomes the emblem (something I think Superman consciously avoided, maybe for similar reasons ?).

Saje | February 07, 21:07 CET

I've heard rumours of places somewhat similar to your conditioning chamber idea already in existence, Saje. Places where you are taken and subjected to sounds and images so ghastly that you are able to withstand even the most agonising of experiences.

To be fair, Westlife have to create a fanbase one way or another...

Regarding the Batman/Superman thing, I'd have to agree that there is a fundamental difference between the two characters and there need for a costume. In the case of Clark Kent, we are talking an issue of privacy. A way to be able to live a regular life, away from the heroic icon he is otherwise known as. In the case of Batman, the costume is about expression of his true nature, as well as the projection of terror into the hearts of his enemies.

Where I would argue with Numfar PTB's theory though is that in both cases it is the costumed identity that is the "real" person and the regular clothing that is the disguise. In my opinion, both Clark and Bruce seem to use their secret identities to hide who they truly are. Admittedly for differing reasons but ultimately it is only when they are Superman and Batman that they are able to be who they really are inside, for better or for worse.

Demon-X | February 07, 21:38 CET

But if you look as Spider-Man, for instance, I'd say that Peter Parker really is his true identity--sometimes he even uses the costume to put on another identity and pretty literally hide from his problems.

I think it has much to do with when the characters were created. Around the forties, very little attention was paid to the heroes' personal lives, so they were given secret identities that just worked in support of their superheroics. From the sixties and the rise of Marvel onward, the person in the suit has become much more important, so secret identities creeated later can stand on their own better.

Niels | February 08, 01:49 CET

To be fair, Westlife have to create a fanbase one way or another...

Yeah, and sharks gotta eat but i'm still not sticking my bloody leg in there ;).

Sort of get what you mean since the suit does free Smallville Clark up to publicly be the man he can be/is and the bat-suit lets that aspect of Non-playboy Bruce's character out in public too. But if you look at the IMO not that great (but moving on ;) Bruce Wayne: Fugitive arc, Bruce basically becomes subsumed in Batman and there's a real danger that he may never come back (the point being Bruce would've been lost, Batman would arguably have continued on just fine).

Superman is still Clark Kent though, underneath. If Clark became subsumed you'd still just have Clark, albeit in a funny outfit (Smallville Clark I mean, the one his Mum knows etc.). They think exactly alike, love the same people etc. That might relate to the thing about Supes not wanting to hide his face too. He's no reason to because the two aspects are so well integrated.

It gets interesting in 'Batman: Beyond' where you have an ageing Bruce Wayne who's pretty much become Batman in everyday life. It's as if cantankerousness (might be a word, you never know) or maybe just pure psycholgical necessity has allowed him to finally integrate Bruce and Batman and show the world his true face (probably helps that the world would look at old Bruce and not see him as any kind of threat anymore, however mean he talked. Silly, silly world ;).

Saje | February 08, 01:51 CET

(the above stuff was mainly in response to Roxtar, BTW, Telltale's post just kinda popped in ;)

True, from the 60s Marvel changed things (even going so far as to have an entire super-hero family with no secret identity at all !) and that prompted DC to follow suit (heh ;) since early Batman stories are basically all about Bruce Wayne 'donning his disguise to battle crime !', there's no real psychological element. Nowadays you sometimes wonder if any other elements even exist ;).

Saje | February 08, 01:58 CET

It seems that most stories with Bruce in the future (Batman Beyond, Dark Knight Returns, Kingdom Come) show him as having pretty much discarded the public "playboy" persona and operating 24/7 under the Batman personality/mindset. Personally, I've always preferred the stories where Bruce Wayne is little more than a tool/flotation device for Batman and someone whose skin he isn't entirely comfortable walking around in.

Lady Brick | February 08, 02:07 CET

Cheryl, I'm not saying that it would never happen, but I just think it is very very unlikely. I think both SMG and DB have been working hard to distance themselves from the Buffyverse so that more opportunities open for them in other areas and roles.

I don't blame them for this. I think it is a very smart and calculated career move. SMG and DB both need to establish identities away from Buffy and Angel in order to have long careers.

I would love to see more of the that world, but I'm not sure it would be in SMG or DB's best interest to be involved.

TamaraC | February 08, 03:23 CET

TamaraC...thanks for the reply but I have to ask. How have SMG and DB distanced themselves from their previous roles? I ask because I have heard this before but never understood where it came from.
I guess for me IF Joss took both of these actors a script, or sat down with them in a room and told them of his dream and what that entailed, THEN they said no, yeah, I could see your point.
That hasn't happened, that I know of. I guess I just don't understand where all the "They won't reprise the role" conversation comes from. Everything I have heard, which is very minimal, says it is quite possible with the right conditions in place, they would do it. Joss writing and Big screen. Honestly, that's all I've heard them say. Do you know something that I don't?
I also don't believe reprising the roles would hurt their career. It made them household names and opened doors for both of them. I would imagine that both of these actors love their characters on the same level as Joss does. Hey, this IS Buffy and Angel. THE Buffy and Angel. IMO, it doesn't get any better than that. :)

cheryl | February 08, 03:33 CET

How have SMG and DB distanced themselves from their previous roles?

In interviews, they've consistently done this for years. It's absolutely not surprising -- their management will be telling them to do this, as it's in their best interests.

If 20th Century Fox went to them with an offer for $5m each to do it and a basic story outline, I'm sure they would do it, like. In reality, I doubt that would happen any time soon -- if it was going to, it would have already. I'm mostly always a never say never kinda guy, anyway. Although I'd never buy a Westlife CD.

[ edited by gossi on 2007-02-08 02:00 ]

gossi | February 08, 03:57 CET

gossi - "Although I'd never buy a Westlife CD."

And in that, I think we all can agree. :)

Saje, absolutely right. Although my original point was meant on a more superficial level (how the costumes actually allows both heroes to be their truest selves whereas the street clothes act as the disguise) I certainly can't argue that on a psychological level the costumes have entirely different effects. With Clark there is no real duality involved where as with Bruce you have an almost split personality disorder at work. In that sense the two men have very much different reactions to donning the union suits.

Telltale, again, absolutely agreeing. I'm much more familiar with the Marvel Universe heroes as they were the comic books I read growing up. I think one of the big reasons why I went down the Marvel path rather than the DC one is that the person behind the mask was as big a part of the character and the story as the hero identity was. It was the flaws and mistakes made by the characters in their real lives that made them so unique to me. Also a large part of why Joss Whedon's characters mean so much to me, funnily enough.

Demon-X | February 08, 04:28 CET

Gossi...Thanks for the information. I am reading every interview I can find from the two, because honestly, I've never read anything from either of them like that. It would be nice to know what the obstacles are, aside from scheduling conflicts with all three of them. I know they are all insanely busy with their careers.
Nobody has really mentioned Fox all that much and I hadn't even thought of them. Now that it's out there...the reason Fox HASN'T approached Joss to do the Buffy movie kinda boggles the mind. You'd think they would jump at the chance to put out more merchandise. Cash in on the success of Buffy.
Maybe they are waiting to see how the Comic performs. Somehow, I don't see that as a problem. Any idea's? Speculation? At the moment I am craving about as much insight as I can get.

cheryl | February 08, 08:59 CET

I'm ever hopeful that a Buffy/Angel movie will be made and I think it's great that Joss would want to work with Sarah and David again.

David has said before that he would reprise the role of Angel if it was on the big screen. I personally would love to see it happen.

Never say never,because in my opinion anything can happen.

Joss I hope you do it,because you would make alot of fans from the Buffy/Angel Fandom extremely happy.

lstevens | February 19, 20:38 CET