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February 10 2007

New Joe Fridays 34. Contains a question concerning Joss at Marvel now that he's not doing Wonder Woman anymore (scroll down to the very bottom).

Aww. His Runaways is gonna rock.

Though I am kinda sad he's leaving AXM. It's been an awesome run, and he wrote a great Emma - probably the best since Morrison.
I would love for Joss to stay on AXM (but that could change depending if he kills off anyone).

But it sounds like it's going to be a while before Unstoppable is over. Diamond reported that AXM 21 has been delayed until May and after that it will be bimonthly. Yikes!
I've been out of the loop....
JOSS ISN'T DOING WONDER WOMAN!!!!!!????!!??
WTF!!!!

Joss can do no wrong in my book....
And honestly...
I'm beginning to think that JW's imagination is a bit more than two hours can handle...Everything we (at least I) love about his work is the meticulousness of well planned arcs.
It's been years but I am still very impressed with Season 5.
I watched some of it again recently and DAMN it was awesome!!!!!

And... my .02 about TV right now...
I may have to stop watching TV again...
Joss made TV artful for me...not since Northern Exposure did I think TV could be artistic (In the early 90s Twin Peaks was pretentious crap and everything else was, still is, in that word of Johnny Rotten "pap"... Joss made things better! )


But once, I am disgusted with television right...We've gone from reality shows to People-that-suck shows (Dirt, The Shield, Nip and Tuck...etc I would've even put Six Feet Under in this category-- I mean who was really nice in that show?).

We've gone from the narcissism of reality TV to the sick voyeurism of Dirt and the Shield....someone got offered their penis for dinner in Dirt last week in a scene reminiscent of Hannibal (which was CRAP to begin with)...ok..breathe between invectives...

damn... I miss Joss...
I hope we get more of Joss on Runaways!!!
Still haven't gotten around to borrowing my friends' Astonishing yet, but I'm almost caught up on my backlog of Runaways issues (had been missing the first six of Volume 2 for a long time. I know one major spoiler that I wish I didn't after not having read the series since Volume 1). At first I was hoping that Vaughan would end it proper and was really disappointed to hear the series would continue with a new writer, but when that turned out to be Joss I got excited. I kinda hope the series ends for some reason when he's done with it though (doubtful that Marvel would let it, if sales keep up). Not keen on the idea of buying it for years and years. The longer any comic runs (especially those of the non-creator-owned variety), the greater the chances of seeing it run into the ground eventually by the wrong writer, or at least having major glaring potholes along the road.

hbojorquez said:
"I am disgusted with television right...We've gone from reality shows to People-that-suck shows (Dirt, The Shield, Nip and Tuck...etc I would've even put Six Feet Under in this category-- I mean who was really nice in that show?)."

"people-that-suck" ? Odd way of putting it, considering there were a number of just-as-gray characters in the Buffyverse (Spike was more dispicable throughout most of the series than the main characters on The Shield or the first season of Nip/Tuck that I watched). The characters on Six Feet Under were human and flawed the same as any of us, though often having lives more complicated and unconventional due to the necessity of keeping a TV series interesting. The entire Fisher family made mistakes but, for the most part, showed themselves to be decent and loving people (Nate had major commitment issues, but then I guess he just never figured out that he was the kind of person who probably shouldn't ever come close to even the hint of a promise of anything resembling a relationship when messing around with his various flings. Either that or he should've seeked counselling the way David and Kieth did that one year). For my money, Six Feet Under was the best overall drama to see a planned conclusion I've ever seen and one of the few to have a final season as strong as its early ones. And arguably the best series finale too. Did you watch all of it?

Sounds like you have issues with the more R-rated and sometimes unpleasant-situation-depicting variety of TV, which isn't all that uncommon (heh, I can't help laughing at the folks who can't stomach the cursing on Deadwood. They're just words, people, they won't make your ears bleed!). Shame, since it's often some of the best-written and, in the long run, rewarding type of television in terms of character arcs and viewers' emotional highs (though it's nice to see there're still the rare gems on network TV that stand up just as well to the likes of HBO, Showtime, and FX).
"people-that-suck" ? Odd way of putting it, considering there were a number of just-as-gray characters in the Buffyverse (Spike was more dispicable throughout most of the series than the main characters on The Shield or the first season of Nip/Tuck that I watched).

I thought "people-that-suck" shows was a great way of putting it, though I may not agree with the list of shows. Sure there were characters on Whedon shows and other shows that are not good. The difference is when all, or almost all of the main characters are awful people. I was not a fan of Seinfeld or Ally McBiel, for instance because I just had no interest in those people. For me it is one thing to have a couple bad or morally ambiguous people and a lot of flawed but basically good people trying to deal with difficult questions, but something else to watch a bunch of people mainly guided by greed, lust or some other unfortunate motivation.

I don't get much of a chance to watch episodic TV regularly and do not get HBOor Showtime. From what I've seen of 6 Feet Under it seems like it is a show about people trying to do the right thing, whereas I stopped watching Nip/Tuck early on because I really do not want to spend time with those people. As far as Deadwood, I saw only the one disc from the first season they had at the library. It seemed like a quality show, but I was pretty sure I did not want to live in this world episode after episode. As far as the language, I just found the language annoying in a boring kind of way. It has nothing to do with what the words are, (though the fact that I would have to watch it with headphones that I do not have since it is not language I need drilled into my son's head tends to be part of the annoying factor,) it is simply the constant repetition. It was like having to watch a few hours of real valley girl dialog, or when every kid is saying "Ya know?" after every phrase. There is a reason why dialog is not totally realistic, because the way people really talk is often boring and annoying. Maybe Deadwood is so good that the things I did not care for would be overpowered. I think that is a definite possibility, but at this point I don't really want to spend more time in that world or buy headphones just to find out.

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