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February 27
2007
13 Sidekicks Who Are Cooler Than Their Heroes.
Willow was listed as #4 of sidekicks who outshine the protagonist.
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I have said this before, and I know some people disagree, but I honestly feel that more people experience Buffy through Willow than through any other character including Buffy herself. Just my opnion, but she is such a strong character that she commands the screen whenever she is on it.
Dana5140 | February 27, 05:19 CET
Nebula1400 | February 27, 05:38 CET
DaddyCatALSO | February 27, 05:48 CET
Simon Tam? The best sidekick from "Firefly"?
Please. Jayne is a joy to watch during every frame in which he appears. (And yes, since the whole thing is not really on celluloid, there aren't any frames to speak of. I stick by my cliche.) How can you not sing along joyously with, "The hero of Canton, the man they call... ME!"? ...
Funny, I never thought of any of Serenity's crew as 'sidekicks.' Besides, whose sidekick would they be, then? Mal's? Serenity's? :P
browncoatrising | February 27, 07:51 CET
Nebula1400 | February 27, 08:01 CET
As for Willow, they got that one right. I definitely experienced the show through her more than through Buffy. Plus someone already said, Willow cries... everyone cries.
unscrewed | February 27, 08:18 CET
Also. Wesley is WAY cooler than Angel. WAAAY.
Awkward Saw | February 27, 09:02 CET
I think its a testament to the depth of characterization on Buffy that there were so many characters that you could love.
I'm sure there were people who identified with each of the secondary characters because they were deep and well-drawn. I myself experienced the show through Spike.
It wasn't until the seventh season when there were so many cardboard characters introduced that every character became more shallow and uninvolving, right down to Buffy herself.
Xane | February 27, 09:04 CET
When I saw Devil in a Blue Dress I turned to my date and whispered "Mouse is a force of nature!" - and there are the same words in this article (along with my favorite line)!
Wm54 | February 27, 09:31 CET
But the entry that I *really* agree with is Sam Gamgee from The Lord of The Rings. Sam's always been the one real hero in the story (in both books and film) to me -- not only did he make the same journey as Frodo and endure many of the same hardships, but he's the only character that we ever hear about who, once in posession of the Ring, gives it up again willingly and without anyone else's urging.
Cranston | February 27, 10:39 CET
jclemens | February 27, 11:50 CET
If we're actually talking 'cool' though, and if he qualifies, Spike has to be Buffy's coolest sidekick by a mile. The guy strutted FFS, as far as cool goes none of the others held a candle.
And though, as the article points out, Easy Rawlins is a brilliant, rounded, always interesting noir hero, he just doesn't have the sheer psychopathic snap of Raymond 'Mouse' Alexander. Without having him say all that much, Walter Mosley's prose tells us everything we need to know about him. The 'Dirty Harry' poster had "You don't assign him to murder cases, You just turn him loose" as a tagline and if you take the word 'cases' out that pretty much perfectly sums up Easy's crazy-dangerous best mate Mouse ;).
(and always, always Inigo !)
Saje | February 27, 13:10 CET
One other thing, I used to read TV scripts for a screenplay writing competition and there was a trend in the Buffy scripts during season 4 where Buffy was sidelined and Willow had to take over and save the day! I could tell the scripts were written by fans of the show. Also they were better written than the scripts for other shows.
RazorBlade | February 27, 14:34 CET
nemesis | February 27, 15:18 CET
Now, back to my point:
Kirk, McCoy, and even Scotty, were cooler than Kirk.
Worf and Data, both cooler than Picard.
Garak...cooler than anybody on Star Trek, ever (this one is the only one where the rule almost does't hold true, as Sisco was WAY cool, and if Garak hadn't been created, Sisco would be the coolest character on any of the shows).
Chakotay, Parris, Seven of Nine, and especially the Doctor, cooler than Janeway.
Tripp and Doctor Phlox, cooler than Archer.
The_Joker | February 27, 16:24 CET
maje | February 27, 17:12 CET
As for Willow, I can't begin to express how much I love her. As many times as I've watched every single episode of the entire seven seasons, there are only two sequences that still always bring tears to my eyes. Will & Tara's heart wrenching breakup at the end of Tabula Rasa, and the end of Grave, when Xander's love brings Will back from the brink. Though I have to admit also that the music was a factor, in both cases.
OK, so I'm a big softy. Not that I don't love the really dark stuff, as well. :=)
And am I the only person alive who found both Merry and Pippin cooler than Sam?
Shey | February 27, 17:58 CET
witchlover | February 27, 18:01 CET
I found Buffy only marginally interesting and would have much preferred it was an ensemble show.
spikeverse | February 27, 18:46 CET
And Alyson Hannigan? Well, just amazing everytime.
ArielWillow | February 27, 18:57 CET
But to Buffy's credit, I think her crying scenes were some of the best I've ever seen. I remember watching "Innocence" and feeling absolutely horrible seeing her weep over Angel. SMG can turn on the tears a hell of a lot better than most.
deepgirl187 | February 27, 19:22 CET
McCoy and Scotty cooler than Kirk! Spock! Spock was undisputedly the coolest character on original Trek. And 7 of 9 was cooler than everybody else in the Trekverse put together.
Missing from the original list:
Illya Kuryakin in Man From UNCLE, way outcooled Napolean Solo in what was supposed to be a vehicle for Robert Vaughn.
Bill Cosby cooler than Robert Culp in I Spy.
Emma Peel on the Avengers, cooler than John Steed. "Mrs. Peel" was one of the coolest characters EVER on television. The original martial arts femme, she was also a genuis, and never at a loss for a quip. I've recently been thinking in fact, about whether Emma Peel wasn't an important influence in the genesis of Buffy, either directly (don't know if Joss would have seen any episodes) or indirectly.
barboo | February 27, 19:51 CET
Wild at Heart, anyone?
Willowy | February 27, 19:55 CET
('K s'not BtVS but it still counts I reckon)
Saje | February 27, 20:11 CET
Thanks for the backup on my post, but I must stick with my earlier statement of Garak being the coolest.
I mean, really, a tailor that used to be in the Obsidian Order(Cardassian Secret Service for those who aren't Trek geeks), how much cooler can you get? The only way I could come up with a better concept would be a guy who used to be in section 31, but now runs a bar in Tijuana and is played by Sam Elliot.
The_Joker | February 27, 20:23 CET
"Right now I'm just trying to keep from dying..."
Crushing.
Willowy | February 27, 20:24 CET
"I totally identify with Willow and I always find myself caring more about her than about Buffy in an episode. She's cool because she knows who she is, which, actually, surely makes her tears cool too?!"
I can see identifying with Willow, even though I usually identified with Buffy and at times with Spike. But one of the reasons I don't identify with Willow is that she is so unsure of who she is, or she does not really like who she thinks she is or is afraid of who she thinks she is. To me that is one of her enduring characteristics that makes her an interesting character as well as an endearing character. That vulnerability is always there and can be heartbreaking.
I'm right there with the Kato, Spock, Emma Peel, 7 of 9 and Illya Kuryakin love. (Illya Kuryakin being one of the few blonde men on TV to ever win my undivided attention. I'm so deep.) Got to disagree with the Robert Culp/Bill Cosby assessment though. I thought one of the things that worked there was that they were equally cool, but in different ways.
Sam from the Ring trilogy cool? A great character, yes. Someone I would love to have on my side, yes. Cool? I don't see it.
newcj | February 27, 21:00 CET
Willow crying always made me tear up and the secondary characters were always more relatable than the Buffster to me. Don't get me wrong, I adore her as a character and am amazed by her incredible journey, but my in was often through another character.
SO true, Garak is the coolest, though Sisco is right behind him. DS94EVA! ;)
No, there are four of you and the other three are hidden in a bunker underneath the Nevada desert.
zeitgeist | February 27, 21:14 CET
ArielWillow | February 27, 21:17 CET
Xander, maybe.
kerfuffle | February 27, 21:22 CET
Anyone is cooler than Janeway. Captains don't cry... especially on deck, damn it! There is humanizing and then there's just plain embarassing. She killed the ST franchise for me.
Inigo Montoya - now there's a kickass sidekick, kicking it up and down the ... side of the ...kicking arena -- erm... with his left hand. Hooyaa!
Love's Bitch | February 27, 21:39 CET
While I enjoyed Willow's character early on, she is one of my least favorites now. Xander, I love. You want to talk about a cool character aside from Buffy...Giles. Oh yeah.
Wesley is also super cool but cooler than Angel? Not for this fan. There is only one character that I could hold to that standard and that's Buffy herself.
cheryl | February 27, 22:10 CET
jclemens | February 27, 22:14 CET
As for the cool factor of the secondary characters I'd go with Oz and Giles for BtVS. And Wes on Ats. But they weren't cooler than the leads for me.
[ edited by maje on 2007-02-27 20:17 ]
maje | February 27, 22:16 CET
luvspike | February 27, 23:02 CET
Throughout Buffy, Willow, Xander and Giles were vitally important characters and definitely given just as much focus in the first five seasons. I think Xander and Giles were neglected slightly in the last two, and Willow in season seven, but to have such a strong cast with four strong characters was certainly an achievement.
The same goes for Angel. There may have been slightly more focus on Angel, but the rest of the gang were equally as important. And it's a testament to Firefly's creative success that such a large regular cast of characters could all be so interesting and multi faceted.
I have heard the theory about the sidekicks often being more interesting than the main character before, but in the case of Buffy I definitely disagree. In Star Wars for example, Luke was clearly nowhere near as interesting and charismatic a character as Han Solo, and I think that may have been deliberate so that almost any viewer could slot themselves into the role because he didn't have many strong defining characteristics.
The only thing about Buffy is that many people were surprised that Xander and Willow were such great characters and that they identified with them as much as with Buffy. But I think the difference is that for once the hero was just as compelling as their sidekicks and immensely likeable. I just think people had an easier time in the earlier seasons identifying with Willow and Xander because so many of us have experienced feeling like an outsider or a geek, whereas Buffy was only really defined as such because of her role as the slayer.
Razor | February 27, 23:31 CET
Worf and Data, both cooler than Picard.
Garak...cooler than anybody on Star Trek, ever (this one is the only one where the rule almost does't hold true, as Sisco was WAY cool, and if Garak hadn't been created, Sisco would be the coolest character on any of the shows).
Chakotay, Parris, Seven of Nine, and especially the Doctor, cooler than Janeway.
SPOCK was way cooler than almost any other sidekick in TV history.
As for Emma Peel - I thought she was both "Avengers." John Steed was just one of her props.
Willow, Xander, and Spike make for the coolest sidekick trio. I could see a show centered on Willow, and maybe even Spike, so Xander is the ultimate sidekick in the Buffyverse.
Nebula1400 | February 28, 00:31 CET
Oz was cool throught his run. His handling of his relationship with Willow was among the most unbelievable things in the Buffyverse (Demons? Believable. Teenage hetero guys who decline offered virginity with grace and compassion? Bring me the infinite improbability generator, please.)
Giles was always somewhat cool, but his coolness spiked (pardon the pun) in S5. However, Giles was never a sidekick, any more than Chiun, Splinter, Obi-Wan, or Mr. Miyagi were sidekicks. He started as the mentor/guide, and moved beyond that in the later seasons.
Spike? Vampire. Evil, frustrated, impotent, scheming, devious, lovelorn, sickly fixated... He was a lot of things, but 'cool' isn't one of them, in my mind. Cool look, cool hairstyle, cool accent, maybe, but those are all externals.
Riley? Buff and complex, but not cool. Tara? Beautiful, sincere, and tragic, but not cool. Anya? Not one shred of coolness.
So maybe this is all semantics. If coolness is a black leather coat, then sure, Spike is cool. I just don't score coolness that way.
jclemens | February 28, 03:00 CET
Sunnycide | February 28, 03:03 CET
barboo | February 28, 03:04 CET
Ahem. Spock was not a sidekick.
Kirk was the sidekick. It's so obvious.
kerfuffle | February 28, 03:05 CET
Simon | February 28, 03:51 CET
jclemens said: If coolness is a black leather coat, then sure, Spike is cool. I just don't score coolness that way.
Well done you. Yeah, strange as it may sound it wasn't the coat for me either cos normally I judge characters entirely on their wardrobe.
In one of the Arkady Renko books someone says of him (roughly) "You have a 'fuck you' air about you, in an understated way". Take out the 'understated' and that's Spike (fair point though, leave it in and that's Oz). Willow knew who and what she was and so did Spike, from his unapologetic, no 'PC bullshit' attitude in 'Pangs' through to his leaving Wood alive in 'Lies my Parents...' and his insightful and usually searingly honest self-assessments as in the likes of 'Damage'.
Good or bad, he walked his own path and, for the most part, knew why and admitted it to himself and others. That's cool to me.
They all had their moments in the sun though. Giles was usually pretty cool around Ethan Rayne i.e. when his inner Ripper showed, Faith oozed cool but as mentioned neither of them were really sidekicks. Even Xander had 'The Zeppo' (or rather the 'I like the quiet' end of 'The Zeppo').
(Oz was exceedingly cool but then he was taciturn and taciturn is very often seen as half-way to cool all by itself. It's the verbal equivalent of a black leather coat)
Saje | February 28, 04:05 CET
IMO, the character run down was like this:
Willow and Xander: Wanted to be cool but wern't. It made them all that more lovable as characters.
Giles: Could have cared less about being cool. Didn't even understand the concept probably. That equates to a certain type of coolness on its own.
Spike: Thought he was cool but really wasn't. Nothing cool about being evil or being defined by a woman.
Faith: Pretended to be cool when she was actually terrified of almost everything.
Oz: Looked pretty cool. Acted pretty cool. Was actually pretty cool all the way around. He really wasn't a Buffy sidekick as much as a Willow sidekick though.
Maybe this "cool" thing depends heavily on the definition of "Cool".
cheryl | February 28, 04:56 CET
It just is. I know it when I see it. Like porn.
Spike, cool.
Oz, cool.
The rest of them, not so much, and that was a huge part of their appeal.
Xane | February 28, 05:44 CET
BTW, I think you can define porn...just sayin.
cheryl | February 28, 08:59 CET
He made a very famous statement, quoted often, something like "I may not be able to define pornography but I know it when I see it." I'm not quoting him exactly.
So what I was trying to say is that you can't DEFINE cool. You can only know it when you see it. You can't try to figure it out. You can't try to become it. You just are. Or you aren't. It's there, or it's not.
So it's NOT up to the individual to try to define it. The act of trying to define cool is un-cool. Cool just is.
Xane | February 28, 10:26 CET
(and like 'cool' it has nothing to do with good or evil, personal politics or, really, any other part of the subject's life. Chuck Yeager, a fellow i'd probably disagree with - vehemently - on pretty much everything has/had it by the bucketload and there's no taking that away from him)
Saje | February 28, 11:38 CET
And as an actor, JM totally knocked it out of the ballpark in the final season.
Shey | February 28, 13:25 CET
In fact if Spike hadn't been so damn COOL....I am pretty sure I would never have stuck with watching the show anyway. I honestly think Spike's story was the most compelling and inspiring story of any character in the Verse...period. Pretty darn cool at least to me.....just sayin...
kathylovesspike | February 28, 18:57 CET
And yet I've done that and no one has ever found me cool. There's no justice.
Simon | February 28, 19:34 CET
Simon | February 28, 17:34 CET "
Actually Simon, I am told there is a huge group that finds you supremely cool. They just don't advertise it because they just don't think that would be, you know, cool.
newcj | February 28, 20:11 CET
Ahem. Spock was not a sidekick.
Kirk was the sidekick. It's so obvious.
--kerfuffle
Add Bones, and Kirk becomes the third wheel. Not like they could hear him over their arguing, anyway ; )
browncoatrising | February 28, 22:24 CET