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March 04 2007

Jayne and Spike as Superman and Lex Luthor? Warner Home Video announces Superman: Doomsday DVD featuring the voices of Adam Baldwin and James Marsters.

What the hell is wrong with Tim Daly and Clancy Brown?

Why do they keep unleashing all this non-continuity stuff without the original voice actors.

I want my JLU back!
Ohwow ohwow ohwow. Okay, I always watched and taped the animated Batman, Batman Beyond and Superman episodes, and I bought the Superman vs. Brainiac direct-to-DVD last year, so there was going to be a good chance that I would have bought this anyway. So with Adam Baldwin as Superman? Wow. Okay, almost definitely getting it. But... with JAMES FRIGGIN' MARSTERS as Lex?? Oh holy crap, can't I just preorder it this very minute?
James Marsters as Lex Luthor? Hell yeah :)

And of course Mr Baldwin in a fetching cape and tights (I know it's a voice over but I have a vivid imagination)
James Marsters has now played Superman's two biggest baddies.Brainiac on Smallville and now Lex Luthor here.Plus DB is playing Green Lantern on the Justice League:New Frontier animated movie.
Maybe it shows my age...but I sorta associate Bruce Timm-overseen Superman projects with Tim Daily and Clancy Brown as the voices of Supes and Lex. Like it would be sacrilege to me to hear anyone else voice the Dark Knight but Kevin Conroy...hence the aversion I have had to watching The Batman :(

Gotta wonder how Adam is gonna handle the vocal shifts to indicate Clark vs. Superman/Kal-El though...most actors I have seen or heard do the character have adjusted their vocal timbre an octave or two for Superman compared to Clark's voice. That and I will constantly expect Superman to cuss in Chinese *wink*
I'm trying to remember what role Lex played in the Doomsday saga back in the 90s. But it's some interesting voice casting.
Why do they keep unleashing all this non-continuity stuff without the original voice actors.

You mean Bud Collyer, Joan Alexander, and Jackson Beck? Are they still alive?
I don't remember him playing that big a role Simon though i've not read it since it happened. Maybe they're gonna rejig it a bit (be interesting to see how much of the 'saga' they use).

It'll be cool to see Supes really let loose and tear shit up but I do kind of like the original Timmverse cast (not that i'm begrudging the Whedon alumni the work, good for them). Timm's new stuff is starting to seem a bit like 'Timmverse 2: The Next Generation'.
"I'm trying to remember what role Lex played in the Doomsday saga back in the 90s. But it's some interesting voice casting."

I think he was actually Lex Luthor II in The Death of Superman comics, after he faked his death and got together with Supergirl, but I dont remember what he actually did. All I remember is that he may have kept Supergirl from the fight...

Its interesting that they have changed the voices, but what I hope most of all is that they dont change Kevin Conroy as Batman in the JLU movies. It would seem that the movies Bruce Timm is making is not continuity with the universe he created, they are just independent movies. Still, its disappointing that the original voice actors wont be doing the voices...
Ah, yeah, the brain transplant. Ahem ;).

Said it before but i'll say it again, Kevin Conroy is Batman in the animated universe (even if it's not strictly Timmverse), totally with you jerryst3161. In fact, depending on context, not having him voice ol' blue ears might even be a deal breaker for me since if I did watch it, every time I heard the other actor it'd take me out of the story completely.
Simon,Back during the Doomsday storyline,Lex was running around in a young cloned body and passing himself off as his own illegitimate son from Austrailia.He was pretending to be good to fool Superman and dating the matrix version of Supergirl.Lex faked his death and had a new young body grown because he was dying of cancer from wearing a Kryponite ring to keep Superman at bay.

In the Doomsday story itself he had a small role.It was to keep Supergirl from helping Superman stating she was needed in Metropolis in case Doomsday made it to the city.He had a larger role in the Funeral For a Friend and Reign of The Supermen/Return of Superman story.I imagine those two storylines will also be factored into this movie.

He was pissed that Doomsday killed Superman and he had lost his chance to kill Superman,himself.He paid for the funeral believing that if he couldn't be the one to kill Superman then he sure as hell would be the one to do the burial.He also formed a superpowered team in battle suits to protect the city during the funeral period.He put on a battle suit and led them with Supergirl until he was injured.

In the Reign of the Supermen,he investigated the four Supermen and tried to hire the cloned Superboy to his company.He used Supergirl to do this since Superboy was ruled by his hormones.Superboy agreed to work for Lex but then changed his mind when another skirt caught his eye,a reporter.Naturally Lex was livid since that's how he came into conflict with Superman originally.I remember he also was involved in the Steel story from Reign as well.



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Wow, I have no knowledge of any of this Superman stuff but if James is doing the voice I'm gonna have to buy it.

And actually it kind of suprises me that Tim Daly did voiceovers at all. I remember him from Wings as a really good looking guy, funny, but with a kind of annoying voice. JMHO.
Simon,Back during the Doomsday storyline,Lex was running around in a yound cloned body and passing himself off as his own illegitimate son from Austrailia.He was pretending to be good to fool Superman and dating the matrix version of Supergirl.Lex faked his death and had a new young body grown because he was dying of cancer from wearing a Kryponite ring to keep Superman at bay.


This is why nobody reads comics from the 90s anymore.
I know nothing about comics, whether print or animated.

But, I do know JM has a voice like rich dark chocolate and I would definitely check this one out.
This is why nobody reads comics from the 90s anymore.
Simon | March 04, 19:15 CET


Well the reports from the conventions say that the Lex Luthor II and matrix Supergirl stuff will be dropped from the film anyway.The movie has to condense a storyline that ran almost a full year in the comics from September of 92 to August of 93 into a 72 minute movie.Much easier just to have the regular Lex in it then all that stuff with the cloned body and faking being his own son.
"This is why nobody reads comics from the 90s anymore."

LOL, hey those were good! Around the same time as the death of Superman, I cant remember which came first, Bane broke Batman's back and Jean Pierre took over for Bruce Wayne in one of the best Batman comic stories Ive ever read. For me, the 90's were awesome in the DC verse, though Civil War in Marvel is the best of anything Ive read today. I love Civil War...

"Said it before but i'll say it again, Kevin Conroy is Batman in the animated universe (even if it's not strictly Timmverse), totally with you jerryst3161. In fact, depending on context, not having him voice ol' blue ears might even be a deal breaker for me since if I did watch it, every time I heard the other actor it'd take me out of the story completely."

Completely agree Saje. I watched the movie Batman:Mystery of the Batwoman, and I was able to enjoy it because though all the voices were voiced by different actors, Batman was still Kevin Conroy, and that gave me a certain foundation within the story that really connected me too it. Without Conroy, that would have been a horrible movie, and to put this in perspective, can we imagine a season 8 live action TV show with Jessica Alba as Buffy and Brad Pitt as Spike? That would completely take me out of the story...
Apparently I was too subtle.

Bud Collyer and Joan Alexander were THE voices of Superman/Clark Kent and Lois Lane in the series of classic Fleischer animated Superman shorts from 1941 to 1943, which were THE first animated Superman stories ever, then they continued in the roles during the 1960s in all the early animated Superman adventures made for television, which were "The New Adventures of Superman," "The Superman/Aquaman Hour of Adventure" and "The Batman/Superman Hour." Jackson Beck, better known as the voice of Bluto in all the classic Popeye cartoons from the forties and fifties, was the first animated voice of Lex Luthor in the sixties cartoons, while continuing to be the announcer ("Faster than a speeding bullet...") and the voice of Perry White, which he had also been doing since 1941. So for 28 years, they were the ONLY voices EVER for those characters, and the thought of anyone else voicing those characters would have been unthinkable.

By comparison, Kevin Conroy has only been doing the voice of Batman/Bruce Wayne since 1992, and Tim Daly and Clancy Brown have only been doing Superman/Clark Kent and Lex Luthor since 1996, Meanwhile, the characters have also been played or voiced by innumerable other actors. If the Superman characters could continue on without the original voice actors who did the characters for three decades, then I think they could continue without Tim Daly.
Thanks Reddygirl ;) "I know nothing about comics, print or animated". I'm right there with you, but I was afraid that saying so on this board would be blasphemy. But the voice of James Marsters .... in the absence of any recent opportunity for the seeing of James Marsters .... will be enough to get me to buy my first ever animated DVD. But I can't imagine how I'll be able to hear Adam Baldwin's voice as Superman, without thinking of Jayne, & giggling in all the wrong places.
Yeah, the Buffy analogy doesn't quite work since Conroy, Daly, etc., didn't originate those roles. Plus, Timm & co. have done an consistently great job in casting their characters from the various TV series, so even though we'll be getting new voice actors, I have faith that they'll do a good job.

I'm actually glad that they're going in a new direction for these direct-to-DVD movies. They're meant to be standalone adaptations of the comic, not DVD sequels to the TV shows, so I think it's appropriate to use an all-new cast. I hope they use an animation style that's closer to the Jurgens style.

By the way, there's a new article at Newsarama covering the Bruce Timm panel. It doesn't sound like Conroy will be working on this or the New Frontier DVD.

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For everyone getting upset about the voice actors from B:tAS, S:tAS, JL, and JLU not being involved with these animated movies you just need to realize that these films take place in a "different" universe story wise so they need different actors to bring the characters to life.

And since even within the Timmverse of the DC world there's been two different actors voicing Superman you would think that it wouldn't be such a big deal.
Apparently I was too subtle.

Like a brick to the head deanna b ;-).

Treated myself to the Ultimate Superman boxed set (which includes the original cartoons) at Christmas so, though I was before, i'm now even more aware that Conroy et al didn't originate the voices in the animated universe.

Nonetheless, just as Sean Connery is many people's definitive James Bond against which all others are judged despite not being the first actor to play him (even on screen), Conroy is my definitive animated Batman.

Obviously the characters will continue without them just as the comics characters have continued with many different writers, artists even continuities over the decades, i'd just rather the same guy that's done a consistently excellent job for 15 years carries on doing it. Who knows though, maybe whoever they get will be even better (though it's still gonna take a lot of getting used to - if I ever can) and it is more understandable given that they're out of continuity stand-alone films (in fact, in that case the fewer similarities the better IMO since it makes it easier to separate in the mind. A different style of art would be the logical ultimate choice to set them apart).
Thats about the worst voicing for lex luthor Ive ever read.


But it'll be hilarious on too many levels.
Anyone who has heard JM do the Dresden Files books, knows that he does a great job doing voices. He does not sound like Spike, he sounds like what the characters should sound like. On the Dresden Files, he does everything from men, women, little kids, werewolves and the best yet, faries, and he is awesome at all of it. I know I will buy the DVD, and to have Jayne in there is a big bonus.
That should be great! I love James' voice, and his acting should be outstanding in that role.
Can't wait!

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