March 13 2007
"Grey" Scale: Noxon earns exec stripes.
Marti Noxon's been promoted from consulting producer to executive producer of "Grey's Anatomy" as part of her deal with ABC TV.
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LOL reminds me of Dru's line:
"Everything I put in the ground withers and dies."
RIP Grey's Anatomy. You have now officially, jumped the shark.
Oh how rude, where are my manners?
Congratulations Marti!! ;)
[ edited by vmars on 2007-03-13 23:49 ]
vmars | March 13, 17:51 CET
I tried her "Point Pleasant" last season, but I felt it suffered from too much interference from a network that wanted an "OC"-East more than a supernatural thriller with bikinis. As a side note, I see from the article that four of the five writers for "Grey's Anatomy" are women. I have no idea how common that is, but it is nice to see that opportunities have truly opened up in Hollywood.
[ edited by Kyrax on 2007-03-13 22:57 ]
Kyrax | March 13, 17:51 CET
gossi | March 13, 18:03 CET
Madhatter | March 13, 18:06 CET
I'm just speaking my mind, and sharing an opinion.
I don't think she qualifies as a good showrunner/writer.
I think ABC/Grey's Anatomy is making a huge mistake.
vmars | March 13, 18:22 CET
Until then, cool your jets a bit, please. We're all trying to figure, second-guess, stab in the back, and dry-ice everyone in sight. However, we don't tend to do it here.
Madhatter | March 13, 18:43 CET
Everyone's entitled to their opinion, Vmars. You are uninformed and rude. That's mine.
joss | March 13, 18:45 CET
Good on you for breaking silence - I'd so wanna have you at my back.
ET: fix typo.
[ edited by QuoterGal on 2007-03-13 23:52 ]
QuoterGal | March 13, 18:51 CET
:O
But yeah...in an attempt to avoid seeming a simpering syncophant, I will say that even if Marti does drive Grey's Anatomy into the ground, she still deserves a modicum of respect that your seem unable to fathom or produce, vmars. If you got a beef, be mindful that there be powerful forces around here that will get mighty unpleasant with you if you can't keep a civil tongue.
[ edited by BlueEyedBrigadier on 2007-03-13 23:52 ]
BlueEyedBrigadier | March 13, 18:51 CET
Here's the thing. Marti is on a 7, or 8, figure deal. That's $x,xxx,xxx. Or possibly $xx,xxx,xxx, I can't remember. That suggests, to me, she has far more of a clue than any of us actually, you know, realise. She's certainly earning a lot more than me, you and everybody else here. Aside from Joss. Uhm, possibly. Also, an exec producer on one of the biggest shows at the moment. Me? I work for a company that sells tinned tuna.
[ edited by gossi on 2007-03-13 23:56 ]
gossi | March 13, 18:54 CET
Marti Noxon is a wonderful writer and I think her tremendous and positive contribution to BtVS should not be undervalued. I accept I am in a minority, but I loved 'Point Pleasant'. I don't watch 'Grey's Anatomy', but I wish her every success and I will continue to look forward to her future work with keen anticipation.
alien lanes | March 13, 18:58 CET
I'm an on-again, off-again fan of Grey's Anatomy, but I have to say that Marti's recent episode was one of the reasons I come back to it, it was really well done.
I didn't know about her contributions to Halloween, that's one of our favorite episodes around my house.
Best of luck to Marti!
[ edited by Biff Turkle on 2007-03-13 23:58 ]
Biff Turkle | March 13, 18:58 CET
Go Marti! Congrats!
When I think Marti Noxon: I think quality. I think naked Spike. I think quality naked Spike.
Arabchick | March 13, 18:59 CET
gossi | March 13, 19:04 CET
hitnrun017 | March 13, 19:04 CET
Now, if you're saying that most of the things I think (And this is a general opinion among MANY fans.) are bad storytelling through season 6-7 were your ideas instead of Martis, then I take it back. Maybe you shouldn't have been running three shows at the same time, in fact a lot of people share that opinion.
I think Buffy is one of the best shows on TV EVER (Restless being my fave.) But come on, you can't tell me that you guys didn't screw up in season 6. You can't tell me that the scene where they threw buffy out in empty places wasn't ridiculously out-of-character and to further the plot (And it wasn't realistic or true to the characters at all.) I'm not being rude. It's just that I tend to get disappointed when good shows go downhill. Seasons 6-7 WERE the Spike spin-off.
If Marti wasn't responsible then I suggest you start doing damage-control. Because I know that I'm not the only one whose being "misinformed and rude."
I get that you're defending your friend but come on, I think you're aware about how many people share the same opinion.
[ edited by vmars on 2007-03-14 00:24 ]
[ edited by vmars on 2007-03-14 00:33 ]
vmars | March 13, 19:06 CET
ET: But now I see that there are folks that better embody that title, so I'm just gonna shudder and back slowly out of this thread... I remember when I thought I knew what "most people thought" and that what "a lot of people thought" mattered, though it was many, many years ago...
[ edited by QuoterGal on 2007-03-14 00:09 ]
QuoterGal | March 13, 19:06 CET
vmars. Dude. I can't imagine why anybody would think you're rude.
gossi | March 13, 19:11 CET
IrrationaliTV | March 13, 19:16 CET
But I honestly don't see how I'm coming off as rude here.
Doublemeat palace, anyone?
vmars | March 13, 19:17 CET
karosurly | March 13, 19:19 CET
Polter-Cow | March 13, 19:22 CET
Back to topic, wishing Marti the best!
Madhatter | March 13, 19:22 CET
impalergeneral | March 13, 19:22 CET
Doublemeat is extra sweet!
hitnrun017 | March 13, 19:24 CET
Also, many fans will tell you exactly what you just said Joss himself couldn't POSSIBLY tell you, so you're really pushing it here. Philosophically, definitively, literally and totally - opinion is not the basis for fact, and belief is merely a predicate.
In addendum: Stop before this gets really ugly. You've annoyed Joss himself, so I don't think you're going to be making many friendly acquaintances in this thread.
[ edited by Ryan-RB on 2007-03-14 00:27 ]
Ryan-RB | March 13, 19:25 CET
cabri | March 13, 19:29 CET
I get that you're defending yourself but come on, you're uninformed and rude.
Pointy | March 13, 19:29 CET
Fun fact I just learned from Wiki of the Pedia: Jenji Kohan is Marti's Sister in Law. Jenji created "Weeds" for Showtime. Everybody should be taped to a chair and made to watch "Weeds". Seriously. It's freakin' a-maze-ing. (And also really good, if people can't translate my lame).
gossi | March 13, 19:29 CET
And I think "Doublemeat Palace" creates a fantastic atmosphere. Not the best ep, but still valuable and far too overly hated.
MikeJer | March 13, 19:31 CET
Polter-Cow | March 13, 19:32 CET
[ edited by gossi on 2007-03-14 00:37 ]
gossi | March 13, 19:36 CET
You say that as if it were a bad thing. *scratches head*
anindoorkitty | March 13, 19:36 CET
Honestly, vmars, don't let the fact that you're online - that folks can't see you and no one knows who you are - lead you into writing stuff you would prolly never say to Joss or Marti or the rest of us in person. It's really just not on on whedonesque...
(Not that it really needs saying, or that it's even relevant, but I like every Season of BtVS and AtVS - even if that does make me sound like a raving toady... gossi, wish I could take you out to lunch and away from your keyboard - both for your sake, and 'cause that would mean I was in England and not in L.A. for a change...)
QuoterGal | March 13, 19:39 CET
Polter-Cow | March 13, 19:39 CET
Of course, I actually LIKED season 6 of Buffy, a lot. It's my favorite season, and it's the one that, contrary to what vmars claims many people think, developed the characters the most. It was absolutely the most character-centric season (when else did the Scooby-gang dynamic go through such upheavals?) and the single large flaw in it was the rigid analogizing of Willow's problems to drug addiction. Aside from that, I stand by my claim that it was a great season.
All that being said, I don't know enough to know which aspects of Buffy are attributable to Joss and which to Marti (and which to the hundreds of other people involved with the show). All I know is that she did a lot of stuff on a great TV show; that makes me think I'll like what she does on OTHER TV shows.
(And yeah, Weeds is great!)
Septimus | March 13, 19:42 CET
theyarescientists | March 13, 19:42 CET
And maybe not everyone else but A MAJORITY do share the same opinion as I do and yeah, it really doesn't matter what I say because a lot of you (I'm not saying all of you.) are sheep and are going to think I'm rude because Joss said so. You guys wouldn't have even taken notice had he not replied.
And I'm sorry but when season 6-7 have SO many plotholes (More than seasons 1-5 combined.) I think its fair to say that the show slipped. I'm not going to apologize or say that I was wrong. I formed an opinion based on X amount of interviews and watching the Buffy DVDs. I think Joss was seriously in the wrong when he commented. But I know most of you are going to disagree.
I guess that makes me rude and uninformed. [insert eyeroll here]
vmars | March 13, 19:43 CET
Pointy | March 13, 19:44 CET
That's what I get for being a wankulance chaser.
is ashamed
Allyson | March 13, 19:44 CET
Actually, I would say it to their faces. They're people too. It's called constructive criticism.
And I didn't wake up today saying "HMM how can I make Joss post." like some other user implied LOL. Honestly I had no idea he was going to read it but I don't see the big deal. He's a person like everybody else and he created one of my favorite shows. That doesn't mean I can't point out the flaws.
vmars | March 13, 19:47 CET
Now if we can all get back on topic then that would be lovely. Otherwise I will take away people's buckets.
Simon | March 13, 19:47 CET
(Sorry, Simon, you posted while I was posting. *clings to bucket...that appears to contain Weeds DVDs*)
[ edited by Polter-Cow on 2007-03-14 01:02 ]
Polter-Cow | March 13, 19:48 CET
feigenbaum7 | March 13, 19:55 CET
Joss is very wonderful, but I do you really think he didn't know what was going on in season 6 & 7? Marti Noxon is an integral part of the Whedonverse and she got the undeserved bad rap for much of the later seasons. I think that for all the Whedon worshipers, you should be even more ashamed that you even conceived that Noxon could pull the wool over Joss’ eyes.
Marti said it best in her latest blog on GREY MATTER: "But, in my nightmares, I’m 90 at a Buffy convention, and nobody wants my autograph... I love Joss, but it’s hard being his friend."
I wish her all the luck, and believe that the people who are writing Grey's are just as capable of hiring someone to write their episodes, as they are of actually writing them. Joss was correct in taking her underneath his wing if she only started in season two, and I believe that Grey writers see the same potential as Joss.
Lastly, I also know that stupid things are always said. I vote that Vars' comment be officially forgiven from this point on and chalk it up to a difference of opinions.
(I once wrote my professor an e-mail at 5 o'clock in the morning cursing him for assigning a paper. I believe the words were, "I can’t believe you are as ignorant to assume that my time belongs to you..." Believe me, it only went down from there...)
Grin!
Sania D.
Ps. I hope everyone is having a wonderful week; I have three midterms and a paper. If I can be this forgiving WITHOUT chocolate, then you can too. (I ate my entire stash and I haven’t been able to buy any because of studying…oh the agony!)
[ edited by Sania Delian on 2007-03-14 01:00 ]
Sania Delian | March 13, 19:58 CET
Ignorance about a subject which you believe you understand?
Direct insult: "Marti the Show/Killer"?
Well, it doesn't make YOU necessarily uninformed and rude as a person, but it sure as hell makes your post that way.
Ryan-RB | March 13, 20:01 CET
gossi | March 13, 20:03 CET
Also vmars is banned. I should really be less subtle in what I say.
As ever, mod decisions to be discussed via email only.
Also differences of opinion are great, fan rants aren't.
Simon | March 13, 20:05 CET
palehorse | March 13, 20:07 CET
I'm always glad to see the better Buffy writers moving on to bigger things, and I always make a point of checking them out if they come to UK screens. So for Ms Noxon and Allan Heinberg, I made a point of watching Grey's for the first time yesterday, and I quite enjoyed it.
daylight | March 13, 20:08 CET
TwisTz | March 13, 20:08 CET
Although I wasn't a fan of Point Pleasant, I enjoyed Marti's work on Buffy along with most of you. And I don't think I've ever seen Joss get indignant on an individual's behalf like this, so wow.
Again, glad she's got a j-o-b on a top-rated show. Wish her all the best.
Willowy | March 13, 20:18 CET
And I, too, would say that season 6 is my FAVORITE season of Buffy.
xanderharris | March 13, 20:19 CET
There are two kinds of people in the world. Those that pee on Weeds DVDs and... Oh. Wrong thread.
gossi | March 13, 20:21 CET
Go Marti! Seriously. Never watched Grey's, but that's where the big bucks are.
[ edited by WilliamTheB on 2007-03-14 01:24 ]
WilliamTheB | March 13, 20:21 CET
gossi: I'll take you away from your keyboard if theres a deep fried mars bar involved! mmm so bad and yet so tasty... To bring this slightly back round to whedonesque - those little snack chocolate bars (cadbury favourites - were promoted by Tom Lenk on tv this side of the world) make good mini 'deep fried mars bars'
And really back on the less calorie topic- yay marti!
vera | March 13, 20:31 CET
Odysseus | March 13, 20:34 CET
Tonya J | March 13, 20:36 CET
It's a good show to get into on DVD, season 1 is pretty short. And season 2 DVD's have extended episodes.
Odysseus | March 13, 20:40 CET
Odysseus - I totally agree about the relationship between george and burke...one of the best of the show!
[ edited by kballgetlost on 2007-03-14 01:41 ]
kballgetlost | March 13, 20:40 CET
[ edited by Lady Brick on 2007-03-14 02:38 ]
MindEclipse | March 13, 20:49 CET
Madhatter | March 13, 20:54 CET
I'm glad she's doing so well. I know she's gonna churn out some great eps, and maybe even lend her great voice to an ep (I'm thinking a hospital karaoke).
And she did a great job on Buffy and Angel. Not an opinion, fact.
mr_holzoff | March 13, 21:03 CET
Rogue Slayer | March 13, 21:04 CET
wrecks | March 13, 21:08 CET
I'm one of the minority who watches Grey's Anatomy and I enjoy it as long as they stay away from having the characters do anything remotely medical because what they show certainly isn't what happens in the "real" world of medicine.
Keep it romantic and funny and occasionally, pluck the heart-strings and I'll keep watching it.
Traevynn | March 13, 21:09 CET
Tonya J | March 13, 21:10 CET
Madhatter | March 13, 21:13 CET
Polter-Cow | March 13, 21:20 CET
Buffyfantic | March 13, 21:25 CET
gossi | March 13, 21:26 CET
what? a girl can dream.
tiggy | March 13, 21:39 CET
cheryl | March 13, 21:48 CET
I know it's very juvenile of me, but I really enjoyed reading that little smackdown (above). Imagine getting told off by Joss. I believe the correct phrase here is, Ooh burn.
[ edited by Mythtaken on 2007-03-15 04:04 ]
Mythtaken | March 13, 21:54 CET
I've never watched GA but maybe now I'll check it out. I happen to love 6 and 7 just as much as the ealier seasons.
Reddygirl | March 13, 22:00 CET
Ever since Marti was brought on to Grey's Anatomy, I've felt she was in her element. While I'm not in love with the show, her writing style is a perfect fit for the dramedy venue. The episode she wrote was well done. She's a talented writer (and has a terrific singing voice, too).
Also, Shonda Rhimes has said in the past that she is a big fan of "Buffy," and I bet she was thrilled to get Marti in there.
I LOVED Buffy Season 6. It was the most tightly done season, and the one that hooked me on the show. Prior to S6, I was just an occasional viewer of the show. Even after seeing the entire series (several times), it's still my favorite.
ETA: Season 7 was actually very good. It had a few weak episodes in the middle, but most of the episodes were great. Even the sucky episodes were much better than the average show.
[ edited by Nebula1400 on 2007-03-14 03:13 ]
Nebula1400 | March 13, 22:08 CET
[ edited by stevekaw on 2007-03-14 03:19 ]
stevekaw | March 13, 22:18 CET
Anyway. Yay for Marti. I love reading/watching her interviews, she seems like she would be fun to go to coffee with. I don't watch Grey's, but I may have to read Marti's blogs anyway :) Congrats Marti!!
MandyMouse | March 13, 22:24 CET
Kansas | March 13, 22:27 CET
skeezycheeses | March 13, 22:31 CET
It boggles me that people as obsessed with the show as the Marti- haters don't understand how writing the show works, since it's been explained by the writers numerous times. It's why I think "uninformed" is an even more damning comment than "rude". Joss devised the general plot and arc of the seasons. Certain eps were set up for pivotal events. Marti and the other writers had their input after that.
The other eps were worked out as the season progressed, with the writers, not just Marti or Joss, hashing them over, setting up act breaks and beats, fitting the ep into the arc, and devising an outline. Then, and only then, did a writer write the ep, which was then revised. Joss gave it a final check. Other writers often wrote individual lines or even whole scenes, which is why Joss said that people have ragged on Marti for stuff she didn't write, and praised him for things that she had. It's a collaborative process, people.
I remember some posters going on about how wonderful Drew Goddard was after CWDP, and using him to bash the other writers, whom they claimed were phoning it in. It turns out Marti, Jane and Joss wrote most of the ep.
So, just because someone is credited as the writer doesn't mean they came up with the plot, that they wrote the line the audience groaned at or loved or even that they agree with the direction the ep goes in. Same goes for Marti as showrunner.
I happen to like Double Meat Palace (now anyway), but even for those who hate it, there's simply no way they know how much input Marti had into what Jane wrote, or into what they didn't like about seasons 6 and 7. If they don't like the season, it's far better to say so and leave it at that, rather than personalize it.
[ edited by shambleau on 2007-03-14 04:09 ]
shambleau | March 13, 22:32 CET
daylight | March 13, 22:34 CET
What a crock of shit...
She wrote-
"The Wish".. a completly and utterly defining moment for the Buffyverse... if you don't get why that is.. you never really "got" Buffy.
In many, many, many ways...the real Un-Buffy was Anyanka, she is the perfect Pre-empowered, male-defined version of feminism that plagued the literary and pop world--before truly empowered, true to life complex females showed up on pop/lit mythos.
She is Carrie, she is Alex Forrest (hater of bunnies!), she is Fay Weldon's Ruth, she is every victimized woman turned victimizer...
And if you watch the Wish, under many lenses, you can see what an incredibly writer Marti is...
I wish I had an ounce of her writing talents...
Jeesus man.. she wrote "I only have eyes for You"... one of the finest hours of TV...
I'm a Joss fan boy..yes...
But Marti.. .damn straight .. she rocks....
hbojo | March 13, 23:05 CET
Oh, and there are two kinds of people in the world: those who realize that writers are humans beings, and those who seem to believe they are living dart boards.
[ edited by Nebula1400 on 2007-03-14 04:43 ]
Nebula1400 | March 13, 23:33 CET
As for season 6 and 7, I'm not much of a fan of them. Good concepts but somewhere a long the way the execution of them failed to deliver, imo.
Nebula1400 - I always loved Living Conditions too. One of my favorites from season 4 and very much my college roommate experience, although I never proved my roommate was a demon. Sometimes I wondered though, lol.
maje | March 13, 23:41 CET
Congratulations to Ms. Noxon. I'm a huge Grey's Anatomy fan and I loved the last episode that Ms. Noxon co-wrote with Shondra Rhimes. The scene with Christina (Sandra Oh) shopping in the 99 cents store because she can't deal with what's happening to Meredith. Funny and filled with pathos as well as so in character and human. Who hasn't resorted to a little "retail therapy" when things are bleak? According to Ms. Rhimes blog, that was all Marti's idea. Brilliant. I'm sure Ms. Noxon will bring a lot to the program.
MacGuffin | March 13, 23:42 CET
I love LOVE that episode. It was exactly like my college roommate experience! Except for my roommate being a demon, though I can't count that out definitively. But really, the food labeling, the gross personal hygiene, the window...hell, even the Cher song was a constant around my campus! I would say "Ah, good times," but it really wasn't. Wait a second...maybe I actually hate HATE that episode. Damn that Marti Noxon, she makes me think I love an episode I actually hate! How dare she!!
Rogue Slayer | March 14, 00:17 CET
I used to be the same way about Marti, it was weird, I took a writer and show-runner and placed her in a position where my dislike of the season bled onto her. Then I realized exactly what Maje said, that she tried her best, and we disagreed. Im not a fan of seasons 6 and 7, I think Spike the vampire would have been good anywhere else but on BTVS, but good for Marti that she is now the producer of Grey's Anatomy. She is no longer my dart board because I think Maje is correct, so congrats to Marti.
BTW, my favorite Marti episode is The Prom and the class protector award, oh man that gets me everytime, I love it so. Though I will never believe, in my entire life, that Buffy wrote what Angel found on her notebook, but thats for another day.
jerryst3161 | March 14, 00:22 CET
*sigh* Well, Nebby, if you hadn't won my heart already with some of your posts, including some very recently, this would have done it. Thank you for this...
QuoterGal | March 14, 00:42 CET
And if you go by Amazon.com's customer reviews - season six scores a 4.5 out of 5 stars (just like seasons 1,2,4 and 5) so I'd say it's safe to guess the majority of fans loved it! And season 7 was still very much in the "love it" category with a 4.0. Season 3 had 5 stars. Pretty much shows that the love for BtVS was pretty consistent throughout its entire run.
And I'm thrilled for Marti and wish her the best of luck. I don't watch Grey's but now I'm wishing I did!
Firefly Flanatic | March 14, 00:48 CET
Thanks,
Dirk | March 14, 00:55 CET
I'm with those who love all seasons of Buffy (all-temperature Buffy!) and I really like to see friends of Joss in high places.
So this is good news.
And Gossi has been cracking me up lately.
jcs | March 14, 01:05 CET
SoniaPL | March 14, 01:19 CET
Thank you,
Gimp
GimpyD | March 14, 01:47 CET
I'll admit there were elements I didn't like, but it is BY FAR the season I re-watch the most.
It had:
Once More With Feeling, Tabula Rasa, Smashed, Gone, Afterlife, Life Serial, Dead Things, Bargaining 1 and 2
Along with:
"Every night I save you,"
Kitten Poker,
The Mummy Hand,
almost every conversation the nerd trio had especially:
"Timothy Dalton should win an Oscar and beat Sean Connery over the head with it!"
Plus an erotic albeit angsty relationship unlike anything I'd ever seen on television.
And I will always be grateful for, as Arabchick said,
"quality naked Spike."
I don't watch Grey's Anatomy, but I wish Marti the best.
She gave me a season of very pleasureable viewing.
Xane | March 14, 02:16 CET
samatwitch | March 14, 02:49 CET
IrrationaliTV | March 14, 02:58 CET
Everybody who saw Marti's Grey's episode "Some Kind Of Miracle" knows that it was one of the best episodes ever.
so Im still a fan of Marti's writing :)
Princessofdarkness | March 14, 03:03 CET
Also, congrats to Marti! I haven't been watching Grey's lately, but I personally count this as a step in the right direction for the show.
Ooh, and for what it's worth, season 6 is counted as one of the best for me.
chosenkitty | March 14, 03:16 CET
Being a Buffy fan herself, Shonda must be having a ball working with Marti. I'm sure the show is going to be even better from now on.
Ameer | March 14, 04:07 CET
Yay Marti!!
Go Joss!
Thank you, Simon :)
Arabchick said Marti was responsible for lots of "quality naked Spike". Um, is there any other kind? I have no idea how much naked Spike Marti was responsible for, but if it was only half, she could never have written a word & would still be a goddess in my eyes.
Glad to see that all the "sheep" here have fallen in line and .... um, wait .... not going back to count, but it appears to me that for every two season 6 lovers (count me in, it's my favorite), there is at least one who didn't like it much, or at all. Baaaaa.
A further comment on non-sheepdom but staying on Marti topic: my absolute favorite ep she wrote was "Goodbye Iowa". I realize I'm probably in a tiny minoity , but I cannot express how much I loved that ep. As a writerly geek, I thought it was as tightly constructed and compelling as any ep of the entire series. Using Riley's loss of innocence as a macrocosim for the "loss of innocence" subtext of the entire fourth season was just plain masterful storytelling.
I love Grey's Anatomy & I think it's a perfect fit for Marti. It's a show with heart, wit, interesting characters & that mix of drama & comedy that so seldom works, but when it does, it's just plain great entertainment.
Yay team.
Shey | March 14, 04:21 CET
ETA: Ive read through this entire thread and there is post after post that has taken a shot at him/her. I agree that he/she was a little rude, but as my mom always told me, two wrongs dont make a right. Though technically if you multiply two negative numbers you get a positive number, but thats clearly tertiary to the discussion. My advice? Stay on topic and lay off vmar, you will all feel better for it. Or at least, you can throw things at me, that might help too!
[ edited by jerryst3161 on 2007-03-14 09:56 ]
jerryst3161 | March 14, 04:50 CET
Shey | March 14, 05:15 CET
Well, you SAID....
Meanwhile, I just want to say that 1) I Love Season 6, 2) I don't know who was polled to come up with the assertion that the majority of fans didn't like it or Marti, because I disagree on both points, 3) Joss, yay, and 4) Congratulations to Marti!
deanna b | March 14, 05:40 CET
Not read all the posts but skimming I saw this
When I think of Marti Noxon, I think that she's not wearing underwear.
Which struck me as weird. Until it struck me as funny. LOL Polter-Cow ;).
I'll chip in with, I don't think commenting on the quality of someone's work is bad per se (it's the famous ball we all keep playing ;) and that, ultimately, is what happened, just that there's ways and ways of doing it and well done Joss for sticking up for his mate.
Also, though I stopped watching Grey's after about 8 episodes (too soapish) and so don't really care from that perspective, Marti Noxon wrote 'The Prom' so I reckon I owe her at least as much happy as that episode has given me over the years i.e. a lot. So congrats to Ms Noxon, long may your success continue.
(and yeah, as usual with the whole S6/7 thing, someone will claim the majority opinion is against and then, funnily enough, the majority of responses won't be. Always makes me grin ;)
Saje | March 14, 06:37 CET
Reddygirl | March 14, 06:56 CET
And yes, banning seems a bit harsh...
Lucidmind | March 14, 07:34 CET
Simon | March 14, 07:40 CET
Everyone's entitled to their opinion, Vmars. You are uninformed and rude. That's mine.
joss | March 13, 23:45 CET
I am not usually a brown-noser, but YAYYYYYYYY! I personally LOVED the later seasons, and I've been getting annoyed for a while at the few but very loud online bashers. (to the point of almost leaving the fandom, so I could keep some enjoyment of it) Thank you Joss. Marti wrote some of the best episodes of the series. The Prom is classic.
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spikeylover | March 14, 07:51 CET
Wish we could have had a real Spike spinoff. He's the reason I kept watching both shows anyway.
Back on topic now....all the best to Marti on her new venture.
kathylovesspike | March 14, 09:25 CET
Ocular | March 14, 09:47 CET
I love her writing. I love her singing pleas to traffic cops.
What I don’t love... (Wait for it)
…is not seeing enough of her writing.
Season 6, out of context, may not be everyone's cup of tea, but when taken as the whole of a character and mythology arc, she rocked that season! In a collaborative medium she very much holds her own and lays waste to many. I wish I had a tenth of her creativity and vision. She may be "90 at a Buffy Convention" but I’ll still get in the Marti Noxon line!
Here's hoping Joss taps her for a story or two for season 8!
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Shahua | March 14, 10:45 CET
Congratulations Marti Noxon! To be hired as an EP on one of the hottest shows on TV is huge.
Good for Joss to break silence to stand up for one of his peeps. Also, thanks to him for giving us another clue in the Who Wrote What game. MN did rewriting on Halloween, huh? Good to know. I always really liked that episode.
I have to admit, I don't understand the BtVS and Ats writer hate that I read (including the Joss hate.) They are just people doing a job as best they can, and almost always amazingly well. Call me a kiss-ass but I have an incredible amount of respect for all the people that worked on these shows...except maybe for a couple actors who had minor parts...none of them singing.
Favorite Marti episodes. Tough because she mostly had those difficult, move the story along, tie up things in a bundle, episodes. At the moment New Moon Rising comes to mind because I just read it again, and it did such a good job of dealing with all the emotional transitions and conflicts that the characters were going through. It is the examination of complex emotional inner conflict and how it manifests in actions that I loved so much in S6.
[Expletive of choice], BtVS had such a great team.
newcj | March 14, 11:52 CET
I'm a computer scientist so I will summarize with a series of equations:
Marti Noxon = Awesome
Greys Anatomy = Awesome
Therefore
Greys Anatomy + Marti Noxon = Awesome^2
war_machine | March 14, 12:04 CET
theyarescientists | March 14, 13:09 CET
Saje | March 14, 13:23 CET
But that's okay - I think that pedants are awesome2. Maybe that's because I am one...
QuoterGal | March 14, 13:32 CET
Congrats, Marti!
bigsofty | March 14, 14:01 CET
Also, in the interest of Shallow!Viewing, let me just say that Willow going dark is the sexiest thing ever. I think Marti's style of writing - charactery/drama - is probably a very good fit with Greys' Anatomy. I only saw the first season, and wasn't particularly impressed. They have lots of pretty people, but that only keeps my interest for so long. I heard that the 2nd season was better, but never got back into it. Congratulations Marti.
non sequitur | March 14, 14:14 CET
Greys Anatomy = Awesome
Therefore
Greys Anatomy + Marti Noxon = Awesome^2
war_machine | March 14, 17:04 CET
Actually it would be 2*Awesome. Awesome^2 would occur if you were multiplying the two.
theyarescientists | March 14, 18:09 CET"
Maybe this is a case where adding MN and GA creates a chain reaction that ends up multiplying Awesomeness...but then I guess it would have to be written differently. ;-)
newcj | March 14, 14:50 CET
Never going to happen of course. Everything these poor people do for the rest of their working lives is going to be held up and compared to "Episode K in Season Y of J-verse"
Are we ever going to draw a line under TV Buffy and Angel and Firefly let them move on with their work and their lives?
malcolm | March 14, 16:31 CET
@theonetruebix | March 14, 19:56 CET
I really understand the "let them move on" sentiments, but Marti was a part of a phenomenom unlike any other in the history of TV, as were all the rest of the writers, directors, actors & producers of all the Jossverse shows. They will always be related to this marvelous, unweildly segment of fandom. What a wonderful thing, that it can still conjure so much passion.
Shey | March 14, 20:33 CET
'oooooh i'm gonna have to start watching Greys anatomy'
I thought she did a great Job on buffy. hell I honestly cant think an episode from season six I didn't like. and really if there is anything I don't like about an episode there is always alot of other stuff going on that i do like. thats why I love the show so much.
ssick | March 14, 21:44 CET
ElusiveJ | March 15, 05:17 CET
[ edited by war_machine on 2007-03-15 13:01 ]
war_machine | March 15, 07:56 CET
toast | March 15, 09:13 CET
[ edited by toast on 2007-03-15 14:16 ]
toast | March 15, 09:13 CET
jenofthejungle | March 15, 13:56 CET
As someone that spent High School and most of College working at a fast food restaurant whose initials are BK and has a very freaky looking king as a mascot, I can tell you, Double Meat Palace was dead on about the type of people working there and about the management, and the feeling you get when you work there, and the coming home feeling and smelling of grease, and the making out with the vampire in the alley.... oh, wait ;-)
Anyway, it was a great ep!
-- The soon to be "Mrs." of another Joss fan!!
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WilliamTheBloody | March 16, 14:06 CET
May we then call you MrsWilliamTheBloody? 'Cause what an effulgent name...
QuoterGal | March 16, 14:47 CET
Lioness | March 17, 18:41 CET
OOO, I can be Mrs Spike *sigh*.......
Oh, and mmmcookies (Did I get all the m's?) now my mom has to listen to my father tease her about being a "Mother in law", LOL
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[ edited by WilliamTheBloody on 2007-03-19 14:16 ]
WilliamTheBloody | March 19, 09:12 CET
edited for clarity
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Sunfire | March 20, 15:37 CET
Smo | March 24, 07:46 CET