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March 27 2007

Joss Whedon - the Dark Horse interview. Lots and lots of fun quotes to be had (plus some Buffy season 8 stuff too).

"Comics don't question my authority. On the minus side, they suck at improv."
Oh my, funniest line ever! And it still catches the problem we all face in adjusting to the comic book format (and giving up our beloved actors).
Kind of amusing, but I wish he had taken the interview more seriously. *shrug*
I'll bring back the maimed.


I knew it, it's Warren! "Buffy Season 8: The Quest for Skin"

ETA: (little winking thing)

[ edited by Pointy on 2007-03-27 18:25 ]
I dunno, I think there's a certain charm in the odd interview where folk aren't takin' things too seriously.
Joss says 25 issues. Scott Allie says 50 issues. I'm rooting for 50. Please oh please.

I've now figured out the one medium in which I would *not* watch a resurrection of BtVS: marionette theater. Yikes. Those little wooden bodies and painted faces, those little crabbed voices, those bouncing strings. Creepy. I'm glad the marionettes are on strike.

[ edited by phlebotinin on 2007-03-27 18:10 ]
I like the silliness and snark. It gave me something fun to read on my lunch break. I imagine I'd be downright ridiculous during my umpteenth interview on a project, after answering similar questions many times. And he's right, Dark Horse of all people should come up with better questions than "so, tell us again who's writing this?"

You know, I'm beginning to wonder if he means Warren, too. But, ewww.
Fun interview, yes. I am pro-fun.
Well, personally I think that Warren was indisputably dead (bullet slowly pushed into his heart and then completely skinned with all his blood splattered onto the trees? Plus we know the First can only take the image of the dead....
And I am also pro-fun, Joss can be as silly as he likes in his interviews (and personally I would adore Buffy marionette theater!).
I'm glad to see he likes the Luna Brother's Girls and Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane. Those books are fantastic. I thought I wouldn't like the Mary Jane book because it's supposedly aimed at kids but I'll be damned if I didn't get sucked right in.

Last night I got my monthly package-o-comics in the mail and I had Buffy #1, 2 issues of Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane, Runaways, Y The Last Man and 2 issues of The Walking Dead. It has been a good month.
That is one funny, funny guy.
He sounds quite revitalized, actually. I think the Wonder Woman fiasco took a fair amount out of him, most excellent to see him bounce back with the best episode of The Office (yes, ever) and a successful return to comics AND Buffy. I wish the latter was a bit less successful so I could actually purchase a copy at my local Mile High Comics before it sold out. But I'm a patient fan. And happy for Joss.
bullet slowly pushed into his heart and then completely skinned with all his blood splattered onto the trees

Not to mention that Willow then disintegrated the body.
God, I didn't realize how much I needed my Whedon fix until I read that. My burdens have been lifted and I suddenly feel more sane, or as sane as I can be while sitting here in the dark basement where I work.

And there's plenty of info in the interview, if you know how to read between the funny.
Ah, Superman vs. Muhammad Ali... Now those were the golden days of comics.

I have to disagree about whether Powers can be stopped, though. I've been waiting for new trades to come out for so long that I sometimes wonder if it's still going.

Not a fan of Girls at all, but Scott Pilgrim is pleasantly insane and Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane is adorable in ways that grown men should not find so pleasing. (But totally do.)
Hmm... Gunn was sorta maimed. Wrong show, though.
I also think Warren's very dead, but I can't shake the idea of him reappearing nonetheless. I won't pretend that I'm not being illogical in my fanmusings. ;)

I agree that this interview was a nice change from the ones the past few months, in terms of Joss-morale.
That man is whacked! Where's my butterfly net?
Well, dead is relative in Joss' world. I mean, shouldn't Amy be dead?
Good point.

"Doesn't a fellow stay dead when you kill him?"
"Look who's talking."
Plus we know the First can only take the image of the dead....

Like Buffy you mean ? ;)

Making with the bananas, that crazy wackster. Hell, i'm gonna throw some zane in there, seems apropos.

Yep, there've been plenty of serious interviews (and no doubt will be plenty more) so I say one that's just for laughs is, well, just for laughs. It's the best medicine apparently*.

Scott Pilgrim Vol. 1 is all kinds of funny, keep meaning to pick up the rest. Of the others I only read Y (in trade so I guess for me it'll probably finish about this time next year assuming he's still quitting at 60).


* Not a medical opinion. Also, cheques will not be honoured.
I love Joss!
I was pleased to learn that Joss is a Girls fan, too. I've been really into that series, and everything else the Luna Brothers have done (especially Ultra). If 30 Days of Night can be made into a film, perhaps there's hope for Girls one day, which is even freakier and creepier.
Maimed == Xander. No reason he can't refer to something that's already happening or announced...
I think Jossir is giddy with relief that he no longer has to try and twist himself into a traditional, flattened-out, Wonder Woman-shaped pretzel. And hooray for 100-proof Giddy Joss.

Funny, funny man. And apparently he has a shin-hurting tendency, just like whedonesque's own Turtle. Gods love 'em both.

The hanged man for Halloween, huh? In tarot, that represents enormous change, and in life, well, it just represents a crappy way to die.

One year, I was Lizzie Borden, with my very own blood-dripping axe, courtesy of my electrical engineer father. Neighborhood mothers were wary of me after that...
Plus we know the First can only take the image of the dead....

Like Buffy you mean ? ;)


Well, she did die twice. And wasn't there also a robot version of Warren?
That was a stellarly-funny read. I can't guffaw at work so I guffawed in my heart.

But this, JW: It started out as twenty-five. But now it's blown up so big, I have so many ideas, so many awesome writers scrambling to get in the game, I think it could go as many as twenty-five. ... Was that a funny or a misprint? Because we know now it's 50 or thereabouts.

And oh, if Buffy and crew had been drawn as Marionettes (Hey! there was scary stuff in Pinocchio, I'm telling you) I'd-a still be buyin' the comic.
Well, she did die twice. And wasn't there also a robot version of Warren?

Yeah, my point was more despite dying twice (and thus being eligible for First emulation. Really eligible in fact ;) Buffy was still around. As Warren could be - though personally i'm hoping for someone a bit more surprising than Warren or Adam.

(and i'm not really convinced robots can 'die' nor that they'd make such convincing skinless hanging corpses if that's what you're getting at Cider)

In tarot, that represents enormous change, and in life, well, it just represents a crappy way to die.

Which is also a fairly enormous change. Clever Tarot ;).
Remember that Scott Allie interview I linked to at the weekend? The one where he said Buffy Season 8 would get a subtitle after issue 6? Notice how I like to use question marks?

Well he mentioned the following in a follow up comment at Newsarama when some asked him if "Into The Fray" might be the subtitle.

That's NOT the subtitle for the season. I think that's something someone on Whedonesque dreamed up. Never has Joss mentioned that one to me. The name of Season Eight is one word, and it is definitely not a four-letter word starting with F, despite the thing about great Muppety Odin.

Scott Allie: "The name of Season Eight is one word, and it is definitely not a four-letter word starting with F, despite the thing about great Muppety Odin."

So, I think it's either "marzipan" or "kerfuffle."
Joss loves Scott Pilgrim. That is awesome.
Actually, I think she died four times if you count alternate realities. But yes, there was a robot Warren.

However, since Warren's death was a mystical death, it should be possible to bring him back, although that might be tricky for a mere mortal as the last Urn of Osiris was destroyed when Willow brought back Buffy, but maybe somebody like D'Hoffryn could pull it off, as it was an act of vengeance, and I watch this show far too often don't I?
Bix, you're causin' trouble again!
Well Adam can be looked at as maimed. Besides the big hole Buffy made in his chest, he lost a piece of his spine when Buffy pulled out that power core. Yuck.

I still feel like there is someone I'm forgetting, however.

I never went for the blood and death costumes at Halloween. I think my best was Thing from The Addams Family TV show.

"The name of Season Eight is one word"

...and it is a spoiler...

I got nothing serious, although plenty not serious.

And does it say something about me that every time someone writes "robot Warren" I think rabbit warren...though the spelling is probably different? (A simple yes or no is all that is required for that answer. ;-) )
LOL, "they suck at improv"
Yes, newcj.

Although I do, as well, and I believe the spelling of "warren" is the same...
Scott Allie: "The name of Season Eight is one word, and it is definitely not a four-letter word starting with F, despite the thing about great Muppety Odin."

I'm holding out for 'Flibbertigibbet' cos how can you not call everything that once you've heard it ?

(and it ties in with my theory that the exciting climax is Buffy challenging the Big Bad to a Scrabble match with 'flibbertigibbet' being her figurative, triple-word-scoring Mr. Pointy. Take that Illiterificus !)

Or there's the methodical approach. I'll start us off: 'Aardvark'.
QuoterGal,

I like your thinking. Definitely kerfuffle.
The return of Splatty-Boy!
Now, where are the goats?
1. Just kidding about Warren.
2. The Buffyverse death rules could be circumvented by a zombified Warren. To put it grotesquely:
"DH: Will you bring back any of the dead characters from the show in the comic?

JW: That would be fake. I'll bring back the maimed"
Well we all should know by now that once Joss actually says soemthing it means....


RogueSlayer; and when was Amy ever killed?

AlanD;well, mystic forces seems to apply to persons being raised by human magic, even magic invoking a deity. Direct Divine or Infernal Action we haven't been told about yet. "We'll see how bored that witch is when I get through with her!" is running thru my head right now, unpleasantly so.

phlebotinin; well, if you hate marionettes so much you'd probably like the theme music from the old Alfred Hitchcock Presents; "Funeral March for a MArionette."

Well, for Over-all winner i could see Joss losing out to a girl in a catsuit but he should've gotten Most Imaginative.
Sigh, if only my screenplay ever gets written and rpoduced, there's a neat-o scene involving footless translucent catsuits in it, with SMG in red and Amber in blue....
"What's in a name? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. So Romeo would were he not Romeo called."

Hmmmm. So many of my favorite words would definitely not fit or be too obvious:

"Buffy Season 8: Lugubrious
Lachrymose
Hellacious
Scintillating
Incarnate
Incandescent
Hellzapoppin
Salacious
Sardonic
Homunculous
Arcane
Verdant
Fulsome ... you get the picture

When I think about Buffy, I picture a young woman whose spirit has been tested beyond all reasonable limits, and she still carries on. So my word would be Indomitable. It'll be interesting to see what it actually is.
That was one of the funniest things I have ever read.

Him saying there are gonna be twenty-five issues was definitely a joke, and a very funny one at that. Silly Joss. Gotta love him.

So the subtitle is only one word? Guess that rules out all my suggestions.

Okay, new suggestion:

Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Supercalifragilisticexpialadocius

Nobody ever said it had to be a short word.
Saje - I like "Flibbertigibbet" in hopes of a Buffy musical comic book. "The hellmouth is alive with the sound of evil - a song they have sung for more than a thousand years . . ."
"Buffy Season 8: Cleveland"?
It'd be a spoiler, anyway.

[ edited by toast on 2007-03-28 00:50 ]
Sorry, skipped "B". "Bunnies?"
Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Supercalifragilisticexpialadocius

Excuse me, there are some lawyers from Disney who suggest a different title. Either that, or Julie Andrews is about to be a Watcher...which sounds intriguing
The Cleveland thing is very intriguing.
Buffy the vampire slayer season eight :Aardvark...? an entire season based on the theme of aardvarks hmmm...
Effulgent?

Or possibly Humperdinck!
The word is

CHEESE.
One word? But... 'Giant Dawn' is still two words, right?

Incidentally, all of the AXM story titles are one word, too. There are clues everywhere!

Maybe it's:
1) Apocalypse
2) Comicbook! (Although I still prefer to write that as two words.)
2) Neverending (Which would hopefully be a comment on the series itself.)
Well, my daughttr, who got me started on BtVS, is also (in utero influences here) a fan of the current Humperdinck so it sounds a reasonable choice.
Humperdinck Humperdinck Humperdinck!
The delightful thing about smart-mouthed boys (and girls), whatever their age, is that they’ll say most anything to make you laugh and keep you off balance. I think the keeping-you-off-balance part is what entertains them. A smart-mouthed boy would say something like: “It started out as twenty-five. . . . I think it could go as many as twenty-five.” And a smart-mouthed boy who’s been asked too many times if he’s going to bring back this dead character or that dead character, might say, No, no dead characters. “That would be fake. I'll bring back the maimed.” Joss lives!
Man, I so hope we see Warren. I've been expecting him since I saw the preview page where they mention Amy's "boyfriend" wanting a weapons lab. If he does show that wouldmake me right,and I love being right.

Also, Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Fortuitous. Why, because fortuitous is my favourite word in the English language.
How about

FRAKKED?

SEXLESS?

BOOMERANG?

I still think it's CHEESE.
Could there be any two more dangerous people to form an alliance against Buffy? </Chandler Bing> (unless it were Adam and Amy) ... The thought of those two together almost makes me break out in a cold sweat.
Unchosen! ... Dechosen? ... Dischosen?
Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Resurrection.

What with all the dead characters returning. Or as an homage to Alien: Resurrection. Take your pick.
Buffy Season 8: Cilantro!
If we put enough chimpanzees in a room with typewriters...
toast, I seriously suggested "Cleveland" as being the subtitle to my dad the other night. I said it as more of a joke, especially considering we live about an hour or less from Cleveland, but on further consideration, it does sound very interesting.

Then again, has it ever been riddled out whether or not the whole Cleveland thing is a joke? After all, Cleveland's Hellmouth was only mentioned in the topsy turvy world of "The Wish," and when Giles said it at the end of "Chosen." Though I'm thinking that was almost entirely for comic relief.

Then again, if Giles said it not in an alternate reality...guy doesn't seem like the kinda guy to lie to his buds...

Well, except for "Helpless." Or conveniently never telling the guys about Ben. But whatever.
@Lioness: I will boycott Buffy if cilantro is used. I don't like it in my quesadillas and I sure as heckfire don't like it in my comics.
RogueSlayer; and when was Amy ever killed?

I was kind of thinking when the whole town caved in on her. Would certainly put a damper on my life.

As for one word titles, I think it'll either be: 'SpuffyvsBangelthistimeit'sforrealz' or 'OrhowIlearnedtostopworryingandlovethevampyre' or maybe just 'Sux'. As in, "The Long Road Home: Sux." (No, that's not a dig at the quality of the comic.)
dark_tyler, unpluggedc: As a rust-belt resident myself, I can't help but take an interest in the hellmouth in the "mistake on the lake", not so far from home. But I like it because there aren't too many one-word subtitles coming to mind which also have that spoiler element.

So you don't think it's "Bunnies", then?
If we put enough chimpanzees in a room with typewriters...

Hey, I resent that ! I happen to be using a PC ;).

Are we on 'D' yet ? Cos 'Discomfortador'. And if we can have (very forced) hyphenation then 'E' would be 'Elephantiasis-of-the-Sister'. Sure, it's the shotgun approach to 'deduction' but it might just work.
Buffy Season 8: Ineffable!


Joss: "Shin-muscles."

He can still bring the funny. Great interview.
I think it will be 'Restless'

..because Restless rocks!
"Buffy the Vampire Slayer: GOATS"
Or hey, maybe it's one of those Marvel-style titles, like "The Incredible Buffy the Vampire Slayer" or "Astonishing Buffy the Vampire Slayer" or Monty Python-style "It's...Buffy the Vampire Slayer", but no... It's probably "GOATS".
Most enjoyable interview!

Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Season 8: Usurper? It's spoilery, without being too specific. Someone's authority's underthreat etc.
Buffy Season 8: Empowered.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Season 8: "Shin-muscles"
And in case anyone is avidly refreshing the Dark Horse site, Comics Continuum or PopCulture Shock for a 5 page preview of Buffy #2 well...

Hi everybody,
I'm sorry to have to announce that there will NOT be a Buffy #2 online preview or a "making of" feature. There are a number of two-page sreads at the beginning of the issue, and these won't come across well in our making-of template—and anything after the spreads stands to spoil the story.
Sorry we couldn't do this one, but we'll try to make it up to you.
Scott


The above was a message from the Dark Horse Myspace site.
Yay, fewer spoilers to avoid ;).
Buffy Season 8 : "Finnvisible"

(Riley returns, but you can't see him)?
Well, the alphabet thing; gotta make allowances.

[ edited by toast on 2007-03-28 14:25 ]
So when is #2 due to go on sale?

I'm thinking that the one word will connect to the big bad of the run. I always thought Adam was lame, but since Joss indicated that he thought they just didn't get it right with Adam, I could see him deciding to take another shot at him. I hope not, because I think Adam is the reason S4 does not get as much credit as IMO it deserves. That, and I am not a fan of monsters. The creature features are always my least favorite episodes.

That said, I fully expect Joss to prove me wrong, and make me love whatever it is he is going to do with Adam or without Adam. Since Warren was another of my least favorites, I really am hoping it is something else. Could the cheese man from Restless really exist? Could he be Amy's new boyfriend? That would explain the need for cheese. We know so little about him, he might need a lab...

Desperation is a terrible thing.
4th April (a week today in the US, one day later over here. Boo, hiss ! ;).

'Buffy Season 8: Gesundheit' or 'Buffy Season 8: Götterdämmerung' (gotta love German for getting around one word limitations ;).

Or maybe it is Adam and he had to graft parts of Hellmouth mutated insects onto his body to 'survive':

'Buffy Season 8: Adamant'

Cheese-man, hmm ? By Jove I like it. A 'weapons lab' might be needed for cheese weapons like ... very hot toasted cheese sandwiches or microwave pizza after 10 minutes on turbo or, umm, maybe the bacteria from blue cheese ?
I think, I say I think, a mutated limberger (sp?) variety of cheese would probably make a very useful weapon. Cross it with some eau de spray of skunk and I think Buffy and crew will need their own laboratory to fight it.
As I understand it, the cheese was mentioned because of Amy's previous four-legged lifestyle and not as a hint toward who the boyfriend may be. But I could be wrong, it's just not likely. ;)
"Or maybe it is Adam and he had to graft parts of Hellmouth mutated insects onto his body to 'survive':

'Buffy Season 8: Adamant'"


groan

:-D

"As I understand it, the cheese was mentioned because of Amy's previous four-legged lifestyle and not as a hint toward who the boyfriend may be. But I could be wrong, it's just not likely. ;)
ChosenGuy317 | March 28, 17:13 CET "


Joss also invented the mislead. The audience thinks they have been given the answer but in fact, no, there is yet another meanning to the clue!

First make everyone think the cheese is in reference to Amy, who probably survived having Sunnydale fall in on her by turning into a rat again (Because the rats and cockroaches can survive anything it seems.)...only with an automatic reverse...and found the cheese man through her highly attuned rat sniffer. Then reveal he is really the reason why she asked for cheese. He obviously has some connection with the slayer line, so maybe when all the potentials were activated, he got some kind of energy boost that made him corporial...if he wasn't before. Now what is his real purpose? Whose side is he really on? Why does he need a lab? Is he a cheesy version of a Batman villan? Is he the one responsible for the abundance of cheesy entertainment on TV?

Yeah, it'll take at least 50 issues for him alone.
Saje: You got me with the Gotterdamerung thing (hmm, can't figure out how to do the umlauts ). I am suffering from visions of the toga'd "We are as gods" nerds, sporting horned helmets.

"Season 8: Gotterdammerung: Ascension of the Nerds."

Too many words, though.

[ edited by toast on 2007-03-28 20:13 ]
"CHEESE" is obviously an acronym, like "SHIELD" or "HUSH".

If it were two words, I'd go with "Post Mortem", 'cause Splatty-Boy is great with the unexpected, and who'd expect Buffy to die permanently after five issues? Not me.

Another possibility is "Crippled" or "Handicapped"; putting Buffy in a wheel chair have her be all Professor X'y. That'd be something.

I still think it's goats, though. Maybe goat cheese, but that's as far as I'll go.
toast, yep, any language that can run four or five words into one without blinking has to be respected ;).

(BTW, you can get umlauts in Windows by ensuring 'Num Lock' is on, holding down 'Alt' and then typing the ASCII character code on the numeric keypad e.g. Alt-171 = ½, Alt-148 = ö, Alt-132 = ä etc. - just Google 'ascii character set' for the full list. Should you have the inclination that is ;)

Hmm, goats cheese, the bazooka of cheese weaponry (Cat cheese is the nuke, on account of its rarity).
So, "Buffy Season 8: Feta"?
But "Gorgonzola" sounds better.
Well, she did die twice. And wasn't there also a robot version of Warren?

Yeah, my point was more despite dying twice (and thus being eligible for First emulation. Really eligible in fact ;) Buffy was still around. As Warren could be - though personally i'm hoping for someone a bit more surprising than Warren or Adam.

(and i'm not really convinced robots can 'die' nor that they'd make such convincing skinless hanging corpses if that's what you're getting at Cider)


Sorry I obviously misread or misunderstood your post. And no I was more getting at the fact that Warren could come back in his robot form, not that it was the robot version of Warren that Willow killed. It was clearly the really real Warren that was killed, and quite convincingly killed.
Gorgonzola would actually make sense. Just introduce some Greek demons. The big bad could be Medusa (and she already has two wacky sidekicks: Stheno and Euryale).
Rogue SLayer : Well, I fiugre AMy could have evacuated like anybody else....

Vince; Hmmm, well in my main AU furefics Buffy isn't in a wheelcahir but she has a lamed right leg and a stiff left arm.
(so she can bring herself to retire from adventuring and marry the shanshued Angel;he's an addictions counselor, she's a best-selling novelist. Their son looks like him, their older duaghter looks like her and acts like Aunt Cordy, and their younger daughter is a highly imaginative loner who bears an odd resemblance to Drusilla......)
Rogue SLayer : Well, I fiugre AMy could have evacuated like anybody else....


But why didn't she, is the question. Unless she evacuated then crawled back into the crater, which seems a bit convoluted, but who knows in Joss' world.
DaddyCatALSO:
You're scaring me.
And that's a lot coming from me,
'cause me: not so much with the sane and unscary.
I think Amy thought she was smart enough to protect herself from whatever was to come (and to give her credit, she was) and she wanted to see Buffy fail and Willow die up close and personal. Just my own theory of course, perhaps the up-coming issues will give us the real information.
Sorry I obviously misread or misunderstood your post. And no I was more getting at the fact that Warren could come back in his robot form, not that it was the robot version of Warren that Willow killed.

Not even a problem (reading it back I was a bit unclear ;). Robot form, hmm, definite possibility and it'd actually mean fewer 'holes' needing to be filled in organic Warren's back-story (like how he really seemed dead, was emulated by The First etc.).

So, "Buffy Season 8: Feta"?

Hmm, Buffy Fett(a), cheese bounty hunter. It'd be a different direction for the series, that's fer sure.
So, "Buffy Season 8: Feta"?


Buffy Season 8: Meta.
'Buffy Season 8: Meta-feta'

A comment on both your cheeses.
Vince; plus Willow's daughter is the 2026 Slayer....
DaddyCatALSO:
Aaargh! Help! Help! A crazed fan fiction author!
Yo, cat, here's an idea: If you're gonna write something so far from the source material anyway, why don't you just create your own universe? Just a thought. I mean, that's the next natural step into the real world of writing.
"'Buffy Season 8: Meta-feta'

A comment on both your cheeses.
Saje | March 29, 12:46 CET "


gwoawn

(That's a groan while holding my nose...from the cheeses.)

Anyway, Joss already did his version of Romeo and Juliet. Hmmmm, but what about the rest of Shakespeare? There was a touch of Lear in S7 but there is sooo much more and Hamlet is his favorite. Cheese for thought.
It'd bring new meaning to "Something's rotten in the state of Denmark" anyway ;).

"To be or not to be, that is the question
That and who left this bloody cheese lying around, Whooeee"

A bit off metre but i've no doubt Joss could do better ;).
Well, we know both Angst and Apocalypse are out, because he said it was a spoiler. I really would be surprised to see it be Bunnies though, so I think that's still in the pool.

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