I guess it all depends on how you read that little paragraph but I don't see it as indicating anyhing about Whedon's career in relation to Goyer, just that Goyer doesn't segway all that well from talking about lunch to his own career choices. Reading that paragraph as infering something about Whedon's career is ,I would say, a Joss-centric reading of the text.

Unitas | April 24, 17:26 CET

In all honesty, I didn't read it that way as well. I felt Goyer was just discussing the impact towards himself and not referring to anyone else.

Madhatter | April 24, 17:40 CET

Personally I thought it was funny that Warner Bros is running both films and his response was similar to Whedon's response at the parting of company with a film he was writing.

Goyer > "It just became apparent that we wanted to do two different stories."

Whedon > "We just saw different movies, and at the price range this kind of movie hangs in, that's never gonna work."

RavenU | April 24, 17:47 CET

I still find it ironic that Joss's Wonder Woman and Goyer's The Flash both died on the same day.I really wanted to see both of these projects happen with them.The Green Arrow movie,"Supermax" sounds very interesting though and I can't wait for The Dark Knight.

Buffyfantic | April 24, 18:10 CET

In all honesty, I didn't read it that way as well. I felt Goyer was just discussing the impact towards himself and not referring to anyone else.

I didn't either. I think he was saying he and Joss had a lot in common. I do think, though, he has had more choices, because he has been able to work on a number of films and had a number of options open to him when his "Flash" work was rejected.

Joss has certainly had a lot of success in comics, but he does his finest work for the screen (big and small), and we're not seeing enough of this. At least not right now.

Nebula1400 | April 24, 18:11 CET

Joss eats?!!

delirium_haze | April 24, 18:12 CET

I dig Goyer's work and I've wanted to see a Green Arrow movie for a long time, but Supermax is certainly not it.

war_machine | April 24, 18:49 CET

Again, please be patient with Joss. This man truly cares for his fans and he's doing his best. He has already made it clear that he will not sacrifice a good story just to fill a hole in network programing. He will not return unless he receives a committment to tell the story. He did that for us.

Biting my tongue.

Madhatter | April 24, 20:41 CET

Joss eats?!!

Hah. Reminds me of the old playground question: Can God swim ? ;-)

I didn't read anything into it about Joss. There're no guarantees with interviews that everything is reported verbatim (in fact, it's rare since most people's spoken answers would be all over the place with ums, ahs, sidetracks, hanging clauses etc.) so, to me, picking over every word for significance is probably not worthwhile. Still, I guess it's what we do ;).

The strict answer to the question though is obviously "Yes" since, when Warner's vision and Joss' vision didn't mesh, he left the project rather than just hack out any old piece of shit for them. Seems to me that's not a function of industry clout though, just character.

Saje | April 24, 21:20 CET

Again, please be patient with Joss. This man truly cares for his fans and he's doing his best. He has already made it clear that he will not sacrifice a good story just to fill a hole in network programing. He will not return unless he receives a committment to tell the story. He did that for us.

No impatience here. Just considering an article that provokes such thoughts. No negativity toward Joss. I don't do that. Joss's work will show up on screen when he's ready - provided TPTB recognize what a gem they have in him.

There is negativity toward short-sighted folks at FOX, and possibly other sources that don't recognize what they lost when they cancelled "Angel" and "Firefly."

Nebula1400 | April 24, 21:35 CET

Yeah, I don't think Goyer was saying anything about Joss, just talking about his own career.

Though I'm not entirely sure that Joss can pick and choose what he wants to do, which is very sad.

On TV and in comics, he's a god...he just has really bad luck when it comes to movies.

UnpluggedCrazy | April 24, 21:37 CET

"Goyer doesn't segway all that well"

or segue?

wrecks | April 24, 21:38 CET

Maybe he also can't ride a motorized scooter well?

UnpluggedCrazy | April 24, 21:43 CET

Especially while eating lunch.

barboo | April 24, 23:20 CET

Whereas Batman Segways very well.

Craig Oxbrow | April 25, 00:31 CET

Isn't Segway a supermarket?

Nebula1400 | April 25, 02:09 CET

There is negativity toward short-sighted folks at FOX, and possibly other sources that don't recognize what they lost when they cancelled "Angel" and "Firefly."

Well, I can see being bitter about cancelling Angel. If I recall, the ratings in that spot went down for about a year after they cancelled the show. It was a stupid move in a business sense and a critical sense. Firefly got jerked around and poorly treated, but no one was watching. I can't blame the for cancelling it. They promoted the hell out of Tim's new show, no one is watching that, either. I and many others have said it before... A dude like Joss (or Tim, or anyone, really) would be much, much better off on FX, HBO or Showtime. He appeals to a niche. Network shows usually aren't big on story arcs, nuance and intelligence. There are exceptions, but, why should he even bother?

Joss is signed with 20th Century Fox, right? So, theoretically, he could do something with FX, couldn't he? At the very least, he'd be able to tell a satisfying 13 episode story with a larger budget and almost no restrictions on content. I don't really know how it would work, but I know that I would absolutely adore it.

The Sandy Llama | April 25, 03:00 CET

Haven't read the article, so if this isn't entirely relevant, apologies, but on the subject of whether or not Joss is at a stage in his career where can pick and choose what he wants to do:

I don't think he's quite reached that stage yet. He's had critical success and his fanbase is huge by cult-following standards, but that kind of freedom comes with great commercial success, and Joss really hasn't had any blockbusters yet.

I'm sure he will though. The best is yet to come. :)

lorelei_frolick | April 25, 03:21 CET

I for one, am glad to live in a society where we can have a joss-centric reading of the text.

[ edited by giles (yes, it is my real name) on 2007-04-25 03:22 ]

giles (yes, it is my real name) | April 25, 03:21 CET

Fox didn't cancel Angel, The WB did (just to avoid any confusion).

Simon | April 25, 07:16 CET

Yes, because if Fox had cancelled Angel, I would have been very confused.

Lioness | April 25, 13:07 CET

Are we sure on this? FOX is evil, and since they cancel all of their shows anyway, I wouldn't put it past them to cancel other networks' shows.

UnpluggedCrazy | April 25, 14:34 CET