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May 19 2007

Nathan Fillion: Video Games Yes, Lewd Propositions No. In a public blog on his MySpace page, Nathan writes some very funny stuff about playing Guitar Hero 2 and Halo 3 Beta, plus advises fans what NOT to post or say to him (hint: don't tell The Fillion what to do, ask about more Firefly, or make rude comments about his work or his ass).

There's also a very rockin' shout out to Silver Sparrow, a self-made superhero on MySpace whose public MySpace page and video are a lot of fun.

It is so sad that Nathan has to say these kinds of things (even if he is hilarious doing it). Some of the behavior I saw at the Hollywood premiere of the movie was truly disgusting.
Part of the problem (if you can call it a problem) is that he is so nice and he still wants to be accessible to his fans. Most up-and-coming actors at his level already have 'people' that will go through all the crap comments for him. I'm not looking forward to the day when it all becomes too much for Nathan, both in numbers and disgustingness, and he has to distance himself from his fandom.
BTW, apparently Nathan is OK with us talking about Joss's ass. JOKING, y'all! ;-)

Now, all kidding aside, for real.

TamaraC, I have not been to any of these events, but reading about the ass-grabbers at B3, and now hearing that maybe some people were out of line at the premiere, is really sad. Our BDHs really are incredible in the way they make themselves available to us Browncoats, and it's a shame some people use it to behave in a way that you would NEVER behave with other strangers. If you grab someone at a bar, you should have a drink thrown in your face -- seriously! Also, I think it's important to remember that it's not OK for females to say/do things to Nathan just b/c he's a guy; women need to treat men with the same respect that is expected for us to treat women with, yo. :-(

This does remind me of the thread last week about "bangable." That article had not bothered me b/c I don't find that word literal -- it more means, to me, someone supercool you'd want to hang with, not actually someone you'd, er, try to sleep with. (Hang, not bang, says I.) But, reading this blog, I really feel I should give props to Tonya J for being so strong in stating her position, even if I disagreed with it b/c I had a different impression of the meaning of the word. It isn't easy to be the only one with a certain viewpoint, whatever that viewpoint is. :-)

ETA: Word, cabri, word. :-(

[ edited by billz on 2007-05-19 03:33 ]
My favorite bit is where he also explains that when he says "don't do/say [whatever]", going up to him or messaging him with "[whatever]... just kidding!" isn't actually funny.
hmmm.... i noticed you left out [whatever} bit onetruebix... i wonder what that is...

Anyways I agree it is sad that Nathan has to post this, and really people should know better. In terms of the firefly bit... yeah I can imagine after the oh say 200th time... it kinda is annoying / not funny even with the just kidding... actually it makes me sad that we have to even ask that to him...*sigh* I know, I should let go, kinda hard though. Wont bother Nathan about it, eek.
Nathan Fillion has 27330 friends. Let's see if his blog is amoung the Most Popular myspace Blog Posts tomorrow.

According to Boxofficemojo Waitress passed the $1 million mark with Thursdays Box Office. Whoo-hoo! And that is with 65 theaters. 116 theaters Friday! More next Friday!
Honestly, the thing that irks me the most about people constantly asking "will there by more Firefly" is that it's a moronic question. Do people really think that if there were going to be more Firefly it would be some sort of state secret rather than trumpeted all the hell over the place in public? Or that, if it were a state secret, Nathan et al would just up and decide to tell them because they're somehow special?

It's dumb.
This isn't a public blog... this is a friend's only blog. And I really don't think it should be linked or discussed outside of Nathan's page.
Only 116 theaters are showing "Waitress"? I wish it were ten times that now, so that it won't get lost in the shuffle when it goes up against the third "Pirates of the Caribbean" movie. It should have "gone wide" last week, around Mother's Day. But once it does, Nathan may wind up as the "thinking woman's leading man", leaving Johnny Depp behind.
I think we've had that conversation about a zillion times 'round these parts, BrownCoat_Tabz. I think as long as the mods are cool with it, that's good.

And, yeah, great blog. Sad, but also awesome.
BrownCoat_Tabz | May 19, 06:45 CET
This isn't a public blog... this is a friend's only blog. And I really don't think it should be linked or discussed outside of Nathan's page.


I checked not logged in and he has "unprivated" his myspace profile and the blog is readable to people not logged in as his friends.
Nathan is so right. The Halo 3 beta is amazing.
Well that was a bit depressing; it reminds me of when Nathan posted on the whole comic book shop incident. It feels unprofessional.

theonetruebix said:
Honestly, the thing that irks me the most about people constantly asking "will there be more Firefly" is that it's a moronic question. Ö It's dumb.


Thatís pretty rude, onetruebix. For many people discovering Firefly, and those who arenít super fans who know everything, itís a perfectly legitimate question. Itís logical to assume the star of the show knows more than the average Joe.

I can understand Nathanís dislike for getting asked the same question all the time, but people are not necessarily stupid for asking about more Firefly. And Nathan Fillion shouldnít start a silly Myspace page and then bitch about it. If he doesnít want people commenting on his bare ass then he shouldnít have mooned us. I donít get it.
For many people discovering Firefly, and those who arenít super fans who know everything, itís a perfectly legitimate question.

No, it isn't. One doesn't need to be a longtime fan to get the very basic -- and entirely obvious -- premise that if there was news that big, it would not be hard to find.
This isn't a public blog... this is a friend's only blog. And I really don't think it should be linked or discussed outside of Nathan's page.


You're absolutely right. And if this was a friends only blog, this thread would get deleted. However if Nathan makes a public blog entry (such as this one), it is legitimately linkable. But if he blogs publicly everyday some sort of quality control would come into play.
No, it isn't. One doesn't need to be a longtime fan to get the very basic -- and entirely obvious -- premise that if there was news that big, it would not be hard to find.

I just got off the phone with my elderly mother. She asked me about Joss and Firefly. But I told her to shut up and Google it.

Is that what you really want, onetruebix? How does that help spread the good word of Joss? Shouldn't you get "irked" when people stop asking about Firefly?
Can't blame him for making the requests but I also wonder if perhaps he didn't quite realise what he was getting into when he started a MySpace page (the intarwebs being as full of craziness as the real world but packed into a smaller space and without limiting factors like embarrassment or, y'know, the police to help maintain the social niceties). It's a shame but unfortunately a lot of the stuff he's lamenting is just part of a celebrity having that kind of presence on the net.

I don't even have a myspace, BTW, and I could access it so it can't be that private (and i'd guess given the nature of the post he'd want as many folk to see it as possible anyway).

(also, when did Nathan moon in public ? I know Mal - as played by Nathan - appeared naked on screen, not heard about Nathan Fillion, the real man, actual and whole, doing it. Roles aren't real people, characters aren't the same as the actors playing them, we all know that right ? Or is it OK to walk up to any actress that's done a nude scene and say 'Nice tits, gonna get 'em out for the lads ?'. Cos i'm sort of thinking not)
For the most part, I agree with Succatash. You've got to take the rough with the smooth. Also,I had no idea that for autographs you have to send an SAE.Iguess I'm dumb too. Or maybe uninformed.
I'm sorry, but I'm with theonetruebix re. Firefly. And I'll go one further: if you don't have anything more salient or current to discuss when you have the opportunity to talk to someone as bright and interesting as Nathan (famous hottie actor guy or not), you might want to get out and/or read a bit more.
Here's the thing. I'm not going to blindly defend Nathan's online behaviour, as yes - sometimes he is an ass. We all are sometimes, though. I know Nathan's sent some daft messages back to fans on it.

His Myspace, though? He's doing it for fun. None of his posts are professional. He isn't aiming to be. He's sick of reporters using his blog for news (it's happened before). He doesn't post about TV interviews, talk shows etc he's doing -- because he's not doing it for promotional reasons. In fact, blogs he posts like this are probably anti-promotional, as they will put people off using his blog as a means to ask him for autographs and about Firefly. And that's kinda his point. I think he's one of 4 actors on Myspace who have a Myspace because, well, they just do. And instead of the usual agency running the Myspace profile and pretending to be the actor and handling the requests, this ain't that. He doesn't even allow his photos to be reused.

I know people will expect Nathan to put up with crap online -- but really, why? It's his page. He controls who can access it or not. If he wants to set ground rules for contact with him online, so be it.

Edit: this is all, of course, my humble opinion. I don't know Fillion.

[ edited by gossi on 2007-05-19 14:15 ]
I don't get the obsession with celebrities or the need to feel like you are somehow close to them by asking to be "friends" on a website, but then this is something that has always been a mystery to me. Autographs just seem like the most pointless thing in the world, unless they happen to be at the bottom of a large cheque, payable to me, then they REALLY have meaning. Otherwise it's just a piece of paper, or book, or comic or whatever else with a name scribbled on it. That it happens to have been written by somebody on television or in the movies doesn't really come into it.

As much as I love good television shows, my first love is rock music and because of that my truest heroes are from bands such as Pearl Jam, Foo Fighters, REM and the like. They are the people that I absolutely look up to and aspire to be even remotely as talented. Even they don't make me feel the need to stand in a queue and get a name written on a cd cover or to join their MySpace page just so that I can say they have added me. It's just so empty, in my opinion. You are just a face in the crowd or a name on a screen and no matter how many times you post something on their page you will likely never be more than that. It's great that Joss takes the time to post here and keep us up to date but as much as I might reply to something he has written, I'm not fooling myself that he will be reading it and saying to himself "That RockManic is quite a guy. I'm going to e-mail him tomorrow and see if he wants a chat on MSN!". Not gonna happen. Besides, I'm too busy. Sorry, Joss. ;)

Going off what Nathan wrote, he seems to see things in a similar fashion, although from the opposite side of the issue. Just because he is famous and open with his fans doesn't mean that he is giving the okay for countless obsessive nuts to try and make themselves a day to day part of his life, which seems to be what he has a problem with and that I can totally understand. When you become a MySpace "friend" with Nathan it shouldn't need to be stressed that this doesn't automatically mean that you will be getting a Christmas card off of him this year. Unfortunately many probably think that they will.

Don't get me wrong. I'd jump at the chance to actually get to know Eddie Vedder, Dave Grohl, or even Nathan himself, but it would have to be as part of a real life situation where there was an actual reason for us to be hanging out, rather than just me as a freaky fanboy chasing them down for a second of their day or running around telling people that I've just asked Nathan Fillion to IM me on his MySpace page. That strikes me as the point where you might need to be finding yourself some actual friends or just accept the fact that stalking is the career choice for you. ;)
I'm all for ground rules and I don't have a problem with much of what Nathan's saying but he's a bit over the top in some instances and I think a little insensitive. The majority of the people he's talking about, particularly those who ask about Firefly, are probably just misguided and harmless and not in need of a tongue lashing.
So, under the heading of do not "tell The Fillion what to do" would that include my never mentioning I and a couple others think he'd be great as Andy Taylor in a Mayberry movie?

Just asking.
I think the problem is not that people ask him about Firefly, but that hundreds of people ask him about Firefly and it's a lot of IMs to wade through and delete. It's got to get old.
Heh, love it when he says "Don't tell me what to do. I don't tell you what to do." - except that's what he's doing ;)

RockManic i like that phrase "freaky fanboy" and an 's' and you have the title for a new hit comedy *g*


Anyway, I think many friendless people tend to forget he is not our friend, just this entertaining chap from the media - being intelligent and hetro I don't want to see his ass - so I'm safe *g*


But, seriously Nathan, I know you read this and value my advice ;) , this is the way the world is. In other areas people have learned to build fences, we need to learn to do that virtually as well. You wouldn't round up a bunch of strangers from the street and invite them to your party would you? So fewer sermons and more kicks/bans/ignores or whatever myspace offers - if I were to tell you what to do, which I'm not of course so don't tell me what to do - unless that is also telling you what to do - argh, this is as bad those timetraveling classes of 2206, i really hated those.
When I read Nathan's blog, I got the impression that he was letting people know what he reacts well to and what he doesn't.

I didn't get that he was complaining as much as saying "If you send this kind of message, I won't pay much attention to it"
That was kind of a classic. He's like a Miss Manners of the interweb. Said much that needs saying, and said it awfully well.
Seeing that opinions are as free and populous as the pores on one's face (and thank you billz for what you said up there), I find no fault at all with what Nathan said. None. His blog is like moderating your own forum on the web; most have certain rules, a TOS agreement, or standards of conduct. He could easily post something like that if he wished to. But, you don't go into someone's house, which I consider my own movie forum to be, and then tell the host how to run things.

It's sort of amazing to me that Nathan, the man who cleared out his own home closet to give people gifts at the Backup Bash, and who has done other generous things for the fandom, is now being criticized for being insensitive and an ass in some fan's eyes. How quickly the worm turns when actors won't bend to our will or behave as we desire because of our personal investment in them. I don't mean to particularly indict the people here who used those words, but all people who think actors and artists owe us anything but the best work they can give. That's an expectation I do foster.

This Internet thing is a learning experience for him. Remember, he's not had the benefit of lots of boards and forums to practice on. He's finding his way in how to communicate with the hoards that want his time. I'd rather give him a shiny red apple for being real than an F for revealing he's as human and vulnerable as anyone else.
Post another blog/photo: Donít tell me what to do. I donít tell you what to do. Now, go make me a sandwich. (I actually know that you are really saying is you like the pics and blogs I put up, and you want to see more. I thank you. You are so sweet! On wheat, please.)

I loved Nathan's post. And you saw the generous helping of humor in it, right? Yay for humor! So he's got this list of requests for people who took him up on his offer to be a "friend," but who then proceeded to act like not-a-friend. He's calling them on it. But with humor.

He isn't talking about you, of course, you the cool, mannerly one who adds to the fun or just shows up to read about it. He likes having you at the party. It's the ones who are, in effect, getting in his face all the time while he's trying to talk to you and the other charming folks who came to hang out with him.
I just got off the phone with my elderly mother. She asked me about Joss and Firefly. But I told her to shut up and Google it.

Oh good grief. Yes, because that's somehow exactly comparable to what we've been discussing. Jeez.

The point (which shouldn't need repeating, because I was very clear about my point, but since it's now been distorted into a strawman, I guess I'll need to) was that if the answer to "will there be more Firefly" were "yes" NO FAN, NEW OR OLD would have to ask the question at all, because the news would be everywhere and pretty much unavoidable.

Let alone would they have to ask the ACTOR.

That'a hardly comparable in any sense to you talking on the phone with your elderly grandmother.
Yep, I double-checked before I posted this link that this blog is public. Nathan makes a lot of his blogs public, and this is one of them. I would also add that the first thing you read on Nathan's home page (which has just been made public again, after being friends-only for a while) is "Please, don't ask if there's going to be more Firefly." For a time, it even added, "'Cause there ain't." So Nathan has clearly posted on his page -- with a please in it -- that he doesn't want more questions about Firefly, and that prompted about 1000 people to post "Is there going to be more Firefly? Ha ha, j/k." It really is dumb, IMO, not funny. So I take this as a reasonable thing for NF to blog about, IMO, because he has already written, right on the home page, that he doesn't want Firefly questions; people have been doing this so-called joke to death; he did add humor into all of these complaints and requests about the posts he's been getting; and, like Tonya J wrote, it is Nathan's page, shouldn't he be able to make some requests and rules for posting? ;-)

And, let's add that, unfortunately, there isn't any more Firefly in the foreseeable future (except comics), so might as well be clear in putting that out there. As an actor, Nathan is going to keep acting, not just waiting around to see if there will be more Firefly, and his blog gives us information about his new projects. I think that's fair, and even though none of us Browncoats like that there's no more Firefly -- well, truth is, there just isn't. :-(

Sure, sometimes Nathan's rants can sound a little complainy. Er, isn't that the point of a blog, really -- to complain about (or praise) something that's on your mind? Aren't blogs used to get a person's opinion off their chest? So, maybe you disagree with Nathan's opinion, but that's no reason to criticize, IMO. It's just a disagreement. (I disagreed with one of his blogged opinions once, and posted about it -- and lived to post another day, lol!) Besides, Nathan always puts so much humor and snark into the blogs, it's entertaining to read even if you DO disagree. So, I like his MySpace, and think it's a good link for fans to read, even if they don't agree with everything he writes.
Um, b!x? Gotta disagree.

Just last month I got the marketing manager where I work hooked on Firefly by loaning her the DVD set after she told me she liked BSG. She'd never heard of Firefly, and when she came back after the weekend to tell me how great it was she was amazed to find out there had been a movie.

This is an intelligent, web-savvy person, now. But she didn't immediately go online and leap into the Browncoat world because she just doesn't do that. She gets her entertainment news from the newspaper or nightly news and that's pretty much it. I'd bet you money that now, a month later, she knows no more about the behind-the-scenes stuff than she did before.

New people discover the 'verse everyday; more often, if I can help it. Can't assume they're immediately going to dive into the 'verse and learn it all. Some of them might not even want to; the show was enough.

[ edited by C. A. Bridges on 2007-05-19 19:07 ]
That's a good point, C. A. Bridges, but I really think Nathan was specifically talking about the people who were doing the "Is there more Firefly, HA HA J/K" posts, which is different than just asking sincerely. Also, if people get into the 'Verse deeply enough to find Nathan's MySpace page (which would NOT be the first thing that came up if you googled Firefly, for example), then maybe they have gone in deeply enough to find other sources of info that would say "No more Firefly"? But, again, the bigger thing is, he was blogging about the "jokers," not the sincere people -- or at least that's the way I took it. :-)
Sure, sometimes Nathan's rants can sound a little complainy. Er, isn't that the point of a blog, really -- to complain about (or praise) something that's on your mind?


One of the things I like the most about Nathan's comments is just how blunt they can sometimes be whilst still managing to be funny. One reason I don't blog (at least not yet, so be warned) is that I happen to share a similar style of saying what's on my mind and getting it across with a healthy dose of sarcasm without worrying too much if I'm going to offend anyone.

The fact is that the only people who will be in any way offended by a rant of any kind are the people that know they are the target of said rant. Which was always the point of the rant in the first place. Anyone who feels that Nathan was out of line in what he wrote is likely seeing the issue from the perspective of the attacked party, which will hopefully lead to them thinking more about their future online actions. In which case, job well done, Nathan.
Just to add: this blog of Nathan's has hit NUMBER ONE most popular on MySpace for the day. Rock on, Captain, er, Mr. Fillion! ;-)
Tonya J said:

"It's sort of amazing to me that Nathan, the man who cleared out his own home closet to give people gifts at the Backup Bash, and who has done other generous things for the fandom, is now being criticized for being insensitive and an ass in some fan's eyes. How quickly the worm turns when actors won't bend to our will or behave as we desire because of our personal investment in them."

I feel that Nathan was unnecessarily harsh in some of what he said. That does not negate any of the good work he has done but simply shows another side to him. I don't know him so I neither want or expect him to bend to my will or behave how I prescribe. I just read his public blog and thought it was little strong in parts. While I appreciate that your comments weren't directed at anyone in particular, the one about the 'worm turning' kind of stings.I do'nt feelthat the tone of this thread, nor comments by most objectors warranted this.
billz,

Whoo-hoo!

Most Popular Myspace Blog Posts #1 Nathan 5/18/2007 I grabbed a pic of it. There were 471,547 Blogs that day.

Does anyone know if a myspace person could turn off the ability for people to instant message them? Or maybe there is an approved list feature for allowing instant messages.
I suspect that most people here will, knowing a bit about Nathan, will be able to put his comments in context and take them in the spirit that they were intended. But I wonder what the reaction from the online community would have been had SMG said similiar things? I suspect she would have been ripped to shreds for dissing fans of the show.
Is the difference that we're used to Nathans sense of humor or that it's okay for a man to speak bluntly but not a woman?
Marthatheimmortalwaitress, sorry you think I'm harsh. I'm glad now I held back and rewrote that post about 5 times. I just want to throw this into the mix, since no one brought it up. Will it help? Don't know.

This is at the top of the blog. It's one of those MySpace things where you can indicate what kind of mood you're in when you wrote your piece:

Current mood: mischievous (can't copy the little emoticon that goes with it).
Wow. I couldn't read this last night as I was working, but I was expecting a bit of a rant from Nathan when I read it this morning. Hunh. I thought it was funny in parts and a touch serious in parts, but not at all a rant. Jewel posts pretty much the same kind of thing when she blogs about all the silly requests and questions she gets, maybe a little more light-hearted but that's the difference in their personalities. (I don't want to give an example as I'm pretty sure she's more friend-only than Nathan.)

Oh, and who doesn't see Nathan as the perfect sidekick for the Silver Sparrow?! After all, he has the summer off (curses on you, Fox!). Sorry, billz, but the Captain trumps the Elephant any day! ;-D
Is the difference that we're used to Nathans sense of humor or that it's okay for a man to speak bluntly but not a woman?

The former, and quite frankly I don't think Nathan's gender has any impact on how people take things. Jewel said pretty much the same things on her Myspace a while ago, and I don't think anybody even questioned it then.
Yeah, the gender thing seems to have come out of nowhere. I don't think that has any bearing on the topic at hand, myself.
Grrr, cabri. You may be right. ;-)

Plus, agreed, I think we are used to Nathan's sense of humor by now, nothing to do with gender. And -- everyone who wants to see that guy write a book, raise your hand. *raises both hands* ;-)
I can totally understand why he wrote what he wrote. This was a really great blog, and I hope people take it to heart. I did leave my own comment, somewhere on page five. If the roles were reversed, I would find it odd and disturbing if strangers made blatant online comments about my ass. Fortunately, I will never be in that position. Yesterday, or the day before (before his latest blog was posted), I happen to be on Fillion's IMDb page, and I checked out his page's message board. There is an entire, and quite extensive thread all about his behind. From what I could tell, they were all positive comments. But still, weird. I hope he doesn't see it. Granted he has done two pieces of work where one can see it all, so of course there will be comments. But some tend to go overboard.

And so concludes my discussion on Mr. Fillion's derriere.
Nathan is Nathan - can't speak to a hypothetical reaction to a hypothetical female Whedon'verse blogger -but frankly, I appreciate his presence & his honesty, and I'd not care which gender did similarly.

He's been very patient, I think, with the tsunami of comments - many of them offensive or moronic - he gets daily on his page - both blogs and general comments. That he bothers to read them at all is fairly amazing, but he does - you can tell, by the occasional response comment he posts...

He owes us nothing, really - but that's not the way he feels about it, and his generosity has been legend and widepsread - he's simply not a patsy who can be hit up endlessly without getting ticky about it.

I'm simply grateful that he's trying to keep it real. Refreshingly un-Hollywood.
The gender thing may have come out of nowhere but it's what came to mind when I read his comments. It's very positive in a way that he has made these comments since many people as busy and famous as he is would never take the time to do a blog or have this interaction with fans but I still think that his comments are blunt and could be taken the wrong way.
It made me think of some comments aimed at SMG during Buffy where many people took a dislike to her staying away from cons, made a big deal about "never hangs out with the rest of the cast" and generaly said she was a complete diva on set. It struck me at the time that Kelsey Grammer, for example, was known for weilding a lot of power on the set of Frasier but no one ever called him whatever the male version of a diva is.
Is it considered acceptable for the male star of a show to pull his weight on set but women should just be sweet and nice and do as they're told?

Reading Nathans comments I can totaly understand his point of view and appreciate what he, or any famous person, has to put up with. Chris Tarrant snapped after putting up with an hour of "Is that your final answer?" comments from a fellow diner at a restaraunt for example.
But whatever his experience, and again it's very good that he does interact with fans in such a positive way, he was pretty blunt and I have no doubt that had SMG said similiar things she would have been ripped to shreds. I know Jewel made comments about what people had said on IMDB about her but I don't remember them being anything like Nathans comments.
billz | May 20, 00:26 CET
And -- everyone who wants to see that guy write a book, raise your hand. *raises both hands* ;-)


Raises hands too! :)

How about an essay in a book: Serenity Found book at Amazon

By the way, Joss wrote the preface in the book according to the cover.

Then, of course, there is the introduction to the graphic novel
Serenity: Those Left Behind at Amazon

Jewel wrote an essay in the first essay book Finding Serenity Edited by Jane Espenson (essays about Firefly)

[ edited by Anonymous1 on 2007-05-20 03:06 ]
Silver Sparrow answered back May 19 2007 3:35P still on the profile first page.
A good sign for Waitress
Still in the original 4 theaters Week 3. I think US theaters are only required to keep a movie for two weeks.

Laemmle Monica 4 (Santa Monica,CA)
ArcLight Hollywood (Hollywood,CA)
Regal Union Square Stadium 14 (New York,NY) 1 screen now.
AMC Loews Lincoln Square 13 with IMAX (New York,NY) 1 screen now.

imdb.com US map of Waitress Screenings 116 now. Next Friday more.

[ edited by Anonymous1 on 2007-05-20 03:51 ]
All Nathan did was ask people to treat him in a respectful and dignified manner. The way in which he is constantly objectified is horrific, most especially because he is a kind man who values manners and decency. People just don't get that they are talking to a flesh and blood human being, not some fantasy toy. Some of what people say and do to him sickens me. I think it's completely miraculous that he still gives enough of a damn to continue maintaining contact with us. He has every right to stand up to people who cross the lines of the most basic courtesy that every person expects for themselves and for doing things he has repeatedly asked them not to do. Sadly, I doubt the worst offenders will get the message.

Jewel has made the same kinds of sarcastic, harsh objections in her blog posts. Where is the outcry for her lack of tact?
It made me think of some comments aimed at SMG during Buffy where many people took a dislike to her staying away from cons, made a big deal about "never hangs out with the rest of the cast" and generaly said she was a complete diva on set.


Well, zz9, I can only comment for myself on this but I've always been fully behind Sarah on her choices regarding conventions and the like, just as I'm behind how Nathan is trying to establish some basic guidelines here.

Celebs owe nothing to anyone other than to do their job well, same as anyone else in the world. Anyone who chooses to do the conventions, go on MySpace, sign autographs or whatever is going above and beyond, as far as I'm concerned. I'll be honest, if I was the biggest star of the biggest show on television, you wouldn't get me to do a convention. I don't go to them as a fan so I sure as hell wouldn't want to be at one with thousands of people wanting my attention. That Sarah didn't like them either is fine by me.

How did this happen in the first place? Why do people buy magazines that do nothing but show pictures of celebs walking down the street on their day off? Will seeing another shot of Victoria Beckham getting out of a car really make that much of a difference to your busy day? Does knowing that Nicole Richie wore a top that didn't quite match her shoes last week really matter? Is it not enough to just watch what these people do onscreen and let them live a normal life when they aren't at work? What a strange world we are creating.
Good questions, RockManic, but I do know that there were also gossip magazines and such in the past. Have you ever seen the movie LA Confidential? It's about the gossip magazines of the 1950s. I'm pretty sure that they dated back way before then, too. Of course, now that there is the interwebs and Access/ET/Insider etc. (in other words, the shows that keep The Soup in business, lol!), it seems much worse. ;-)
theonetruebix said:

Oh good grief. Yes, because that's somehow exactly comparable to what we've been discussing. Jeez.

The point (which shouldn't need repeating, because I was very clear about my pointÖ


You werenít very clear at all. You said people who ask about Firefly are stupid, so I took that to mean you think people who ask about Firefly are stupid. Perhaps Nathanís Myspace ďfriendsĒ should know better, but thatís hardly what you said.
Well, zz9, I can only comment for myself on this but I've always been fully behind Sarah on her choices regarding conventions and the like, just as I'm behind how Nathan is trying to establish some basic guidelines here.

RockManic, I should have put "Whedonesque excepted" in my comments. I also surf other forums like IMDB sometimes and some of the comments/posters there leave me in no doubt as to why stars have panic rooms and bodyguards...
Succatash and theonetruebix,

Don't fight guys.

Succatash | May 20, 17:19 CET
You said people who ask about Firefly are stupid


theonetruebix | May 19, 05:49 CET
Honestly, the thing that irks me the most about people constantly asking "will there by more Firefly" is that it's a moronic question. Do people really think that if there were going to be more Firefly it would be some sort of state secret rather than trumpeted all the hell over the place in public? Or that, if it were a state secret, Nathan et al would just up and decide to tell them because they're somehow special?

It's dumb.


I think part of the problem is the "moronic"/"dumb" or not question HURTS.

But it isn't repeated constantly by the same person. The question represents hope. The question represents love. It HURTS becuase a person finds it hard to return the hope.

It helps me to think of each person as an individual and an opportunity to give out new information.

Serenity Charity Screenings June 2007/
Serenity Collectors Edition with cast commentary and River Tam Sessions August 2007
Serenity: Better Days comic mini-series September 2007
Serenity lunchbox 2007
Serenity model with lights and spinning engine thing (if possible) 2007

But I repeat myself...again...and again.

I'm hoping to wear my Serenity logo shirt when/if I see Waitress next weekend. I'm thinking of carrying several little pieces of paper with the cover of the Collectors Edition in case I get asked the QUESTION.
Most Popular Myspace Blog Posts #1 Nathan Fillion 5/18/2007 and 5/19/2007

Still #1.

I wasn't sure the page was updated but the Number of blogs today changed from 471547 to 464133.
The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. So I guess Mr. Fillion is in a good place.

Personally, I can see him shutting down his page in the not so distant future. While some celebs (like Mr. Gunn) may really get a kick out of their MySpace experience, others may not. It sounds like his experience is more of a headache for him than anything else.

Mr. Fillion is a celebrity so he is always going to come under scrutiny and criticism from the public. Does he sometimes come off as being a bit of complainy-bird in his blog? Maybe so. But it's his prerogative. I think for most of his fans it's a treat that he blogs at all. Period.

[ edited by kerfuffle on 2007-05-20 21:00 ]
And here is some more hope.

Waitress is #10 on the Weekend chart. Whoo-hoo! 116 theaters $1,135,000 Theater average: $9,784 Gross Total: $2,176,000

BoxOfficeMojo Weekend chart May 18Ė20, 2007

Still non-Firefly/Serenity people may not know who Nathan Fillion is. But they may remember "that handsome doctor from Waitress". And Pie. So now when I recommend Firefly/Serenity/SLiTHER/Drive/White Noise: The Light, I can answer the question with Nathan Fillion that handsome doctor from Waitress. And maybe get some sign of recognition.

And when you see pie. "Have you seen Waitress yet? It was a big hit at Sundance Film Festival and it is getting great reviews."
(first post *waves*)
I guess I'm missing the funny. Because most of the time when I read his blogs, I feel chastised. And I've never met him, IM'd him, asked for an autograph, nor discussed Firefly with him. He talks about not wanting any negativity, yet I feel like I'm being talked down to as a "fan" in his posts. Misunderstanding intention is so easy in the written form of all our posts, that I will give him the same benefit of the doubt and just assume I'm not getting the joke. I love his performances and that is all that really matters.
I just got back from seeing 'Waitress' and I really loved it, and not just because Nathan did a great job (everyone did a great job in a truly delightful and interesting film). I hope this wonderful movie keeps getting more and more attention!

And IMO Nathan wasn't rude at his MySpace, but if someone was insulted then it was probably because they were annoying and/or insulting themselves and they knew they deserved the smack down. We all feel free to write whatever we like at our lj blog or MySpace and I don't see any reason why Nathan can't feel free to speak his mind.

Edited to add: I'm not sure he WAS being funny in all his remarks, and I think he did mean to chastise those who have gone out of their way to be be annoying and/or rude. Obviously he wasn't talking to people who hadn't ever posted at his blog, why would he be chastising those people? And also obviously I am not Nathan Fillion's apologist, just pointing out that when he feels he has received more than his share of rude posts then I don't see any reason for him not to say something on the subject.

[ edited by embers on 2007-05-21 02:20 ]
We all feel free to write whatever we like at our lj blog or MySpace and I don't see any reason why Nathan can't feel free to speak his mind.


Not saying he shouldn't, embers. Just saying the humor isn't seen by everyone.

If someone was insulted then it was probably because they were annoying and/or insulting themselves and they knew they deserved the smack down.


I wasn't insulted. As Austin154 has said, I feel chastised whenever I read those comments from him and I have never commented on one of his blogs or anything else. I'm aware Jewel said something simular but the tone of her delivery was different and no, I haven't posted a comment to her, either.

I love his performances and that is all that really matters.


Very well said. And welcome.
Austin154,

*waves* back! Welcome!

Hmmm, the funny. This is what I found funny.

Leaves saying "Shhhhhh. Fox doesn't understand"

"I even had a fella come up to me at a Waitress function and use the correct greeting format mentioned in one of my previous blogs. (It loses something when there is no one else around though, bud.) "

"If so, please- leave the funny to me. I am a professional and we don't want anybody getting hurt."

"Now, go make me a sandwich." "On wheat, please."

The "shout out" to "The Silver Sparrow"
Anonymous1, menomegirl,
Thank you for the welcome! Anonymous1, lol, yes, I understood those lines he meant as funny. :)
"If so, please- leave the funny to me. I am a professional and we don't want anybody getting hurt."

I thought the guy was an actor not a comedian. Maybe he suffers from delusions of 'funny'. LOL.
;)

[ edited by kerfuffle on 2007-05-21 17:50 ]
He's a comedic actor. :)
I actually agree with everything Nathan says in his blog. People online are very often needy and angsty to the extreme. Getting as high doses of that as Nathan does on myspace can't be healthy. He's just laying out some basic rules that are much needed all over the internet in fact.

And yes, people should be able to guess that if Firefly 2 is coming, Nathan probably wouldn't say it first to some random person chatting to him.
Myspace is a freakin zoo. I can't believe Nathan went into this situation blindly. It's good he's establishing rules. But like I said...freakin zoo. As for whether or not there will be more Firefly, he seems to have covered that on his home page so people asking questions just need to take a little time to read.
You're a person with a blog. You really enjoy a lot of things people post there, but you're getting a lot of posts that are really weird in some very specific ways. Because you don't want to shut down your blog completely, you make a group request (you sensibly don't want to get into each individual weird post with the poster, even if you had the time to, which you don't) that people not post in specifically weird ways. If you're a reader of the blog and you haven't made any weird posts, the group request wasn't directed at you, and if you have made a weird post, you're not being told, "Never darken my blog again," just "Post along different lines, please." Everybody has ground rules for their space, real and virtual. We expect people we admit into our space to adhere to the rules we set as common courtesy. All seems normal and reasonable enough to me.
Most of the time I try to think of celebrities as just these people who have a real visible job. It can be anthropologically interesting to observe the cultural phenomena surrounding celebrities but I am not generally interested in their personal business.

I have been to a couple meet-and-greet/autograph sessions with musicians and the entire experience felt awkward.

'It is the tale and not he who tells it.'
So here's my 2 cents: Nathan is fed up with the multitudes of crap on his page of fun. He has grown irritated by it. I have too, frankly, and it's not even MY page! People fighting, sending him 15 ridiculous comments a day (not exaggerating), talking about his ass, not actually reading anything on his page before they ask "Anymore Firefly?" Umm, hello? Read the page! He sent the world a blog expressing his frustration/irritation and tried to ease the pain a bit by throwing in some humor (cuz he is a funny guy - IMO). BUT BECAUSE HE IS A CELEB, SOME HOLD HIM TO A HIGHER STANDARD IN TERMS OF DEALING WITH HIS IRRITATION ---- HE CAN'T HAVE ANY.

Is the man not human? Does he not get irritated like the rest of us? Is he not allowed to rant about the crap he has to deal with daily? It's his damn page! If you don't like what he has to say, then don't read his page. If you've judged him an asshole by reading a few blogs (wow- you are really judgmental, aren't you?), then don't be his "friend". Don't watch his movies. Have nothing more to do with him. But nothing makes me crazier than people who summize people as assholes when they have never even met them. Take a bad day that you've had recently and then throw someone in there videotaping you. If someone judged you on that videotape alone, would you come off as an asshole? Probably. Is that who you really are? Probably not. It's you just having a crappy day.

I didn't see anything wrong with anything that Nathan wrote in his blog. It made me laugh my ass off in several places. Was some of it a bit harsh? Maybe. But tough sh*t. It's his page. He can express himself any old way he wants. Take it or leave it. I have a myspace friend who dropped his ass after a few blogs because she didn't like his attitude. She still likes him as an actor, but she didn't want to be a part of his "space" anymore. That's cool. He's not for everyone. But don't let his blogs wreak havoc on your day. Don't be saddened. Do you even know the guy? He's a celeb that we admire for his work (and for some of us a few other things) and that is all. We've put him up on this pedestal, but he really doesn't belong there. He's just a guy. And for most of us, a guy we have not nor ever will meet. Don't let his blogs bother/hurt you. He doesn't even know you! So how could he possibly judge you?

[ edited by mongorules on 2007-05-22 00:49 ]
kerfuffle | May 21, 17:55 CET
Myspace is a freakin zoo. I can't believe Nathan went into this situation blindly.


Not blindly. SLiTHER Director James Gunn talked Nathan into it. There was an imposter posing as Nathan and it seems the only way to deal with that is to get on myspace. It worked and that imposter is gone. Success.

Can't he turn the instant message thing off???? Seems like that would help. And maybe email too.
MALicious, you took the words right out of my, er, keyboard! ;-)

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