July 12
2007
Last day of the Dinner with Joss auction.
Current bids for the five dinner spots stand at well over $9000 each (a couple are at $11000).
Simon
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Not that it matters. The hundred-something dollars I have in the bank is not match for this most expert bid-fu, heh.
I wonder how long after the bidding ends and payments are received until we get the names of the winners?
[ edited by theonetruebix on 2007-07-12 00:06 ]
theonetruebix | July 12, 03:05 CET
I'm also dying to know what's going going to be served for dinner (I can be amazingly shallow sometimes).
Simon | July 12, 03:16 CET
I hope all five winners were secretly bidding in order to send me. No, wait, that would end up making it a dinner for two, and that might be unsettling.
theonetruebix | July 12, 03:18 CET
I've never used ebay. Is bidder anonymity removed, in terms of user name, once the auction is over?
purplehazel | July 12, 03:21 CET
Brian Lynch | July 12, 04:04 CET
- Brian Lynch
OMG I'm so ready to bid on that one...where is the link?!
(I would bring the peanuts!)
Joss' dinner had looked like it was stalling at around $5k until things started to get really exciting last night. I'm thinking that we'll see some real competition between now and the final minute. And Simon, can't everyone order what they want?
[ edited by embers on 2007-07-12 02:08 ]
embers | July 12, 04:11 CET
That was pretty much always guaranteed. It's very likely that the real pros at this haven't yet sprung their next move, or even their first ones.
theonetruebix | July 12, 04:19 CET
I've been quietly hoping that word would come down that they're saving you a seat at the dinner. Afterall, you got Can't Stop the Serenity in the air and flying (with all due respect to the many, many folks who worked their butts off for CSTS). In lieu of a seat at dinner, maybe you could be invited to the next Equality Now banquet (seated next to Joss Whedon, of course :) )
embers I'm thinking that we'll see some real competition between now and the final minute.
I'm still curious if there are any "poolers" bidding. If I were in a pool, I'm not sure I'd want the group to tip its hand as it were. eBay won't release names, but I can't remember if the bidder registration included mention of winners being named by AuctionCause. I suspect the winners will be known to us only if they identify themselves.
ThereUR | July 12, 04:35 CET
Well, Bidder 13 is currently winning two of the dinner auctions, so who knows...
ozjenny | July 12, 05:05 CET
Amen to that, ThereUR!
m'cookies actual | July 12, 05:35 CET
I'm also looking forward to watching the final moments... or as muc as I can check in on them, anyway.
Brian: try popcorn.
Sunfire | July 12, 05:36 CET
The bidder number IDs are not the same between auctions, I don't believe. In other words, Bidder 13 in Auction 1 is not necessarily Bidder 13 in Auction 2.
theonetruebix | July 12, 06:05 CET
Simon, you'll have to explain that one to me some day. I find them confusing. I also hope a whedonesque's member is within the bidding five. It would be so great to get a direct report.
Madhatter | July 12, 06:06 CET
If I could type one of them really Cool chinese cussages, I would. (I don't dare type my favorite sweary sentence.)
Um, still haven't heard anyone take me up on my most generous offer: YOU pay, and you get all the "stuff" and I'll write dust-vamp notes (But wait! There's More!!! YOU get to pay my train fare to So. Cal. and find me a place to lay my weary head.)
So, have we got The List ready? The one of all the ways to torment our lad for 3 full hours with annoying questions?
IF an "esquer" gets to go, they need a cheat sheet.
I could produce that!
Well, yes, the fire behind CSTS should have precidence over the newest member, most recent, fervent convert, I SUPPOSE.
Anyone know what the CSTS & auction do, as far as Percent of Yearly Donations to EN?
I mean, between the two, whole lotta shakin' goin' on, eh?
tehabwa | July 12, 06:10 CET
Pointy | July 12, 06:16 CET
Jul-02-07 Jul-12-07 21:00:00 $9,000.00 Joss Whedon Dinner, CA 7/27 +Signed Buffy Comic & Litho Bidder 13
Jul-02-07 Jul-12-07 21:00:00 $720.00 Serenity Sp. Ed. Hardcover +Signed Poster & Buffy Litho Bidder 14
Jul-02-07 Jul-12-07 21:00:00 $785.00 Swiss Army Engraved Buffy Crew Gift Watch Mens +Litho Bidder 14
Jul-02-07 Jul-12-07 21:00:00 $1,225.00 Swiss Army Engraved Buffy Crew Gift Watch Womens +Litho Bidder 3
Jul-02-07 Jul-12-07 21:05:00 $8,100.00 Joss Whedon Dinner, CA 7/27 +Signed Buffy Comic & Litho Bidder 8
Jul-02-07 Jul-12-07 21:05:00 $750.00 Serenity Sp. Ed. Hardcover +Signed Poster & Buffy Litho Bidder 8
Jul-02-07 Jul-12-07 21:05:00 $760.00 Swiss Army Engraved Buffy Crew Gift Watch Mens +Litho Bidder 19
Jul-02-07 Jul-12-07 21:05:00 $1,000.00 Swiss Army Engraved Buffy Crew Gift Watch Womens +Litho Bidder 16
Jul-02-07 Jul-12-07 21:10:00 $8,100.00 Joss Whedon Dinner, CA 7/27 +Signed Buffy Comic & Litho Bidder 17
Jul-02-07 Jul-12-07 21:10:00 $760.00 Serenity Sp. Ed. Hardcover +Signed Poster & Buffy Litho Bidder 10
Jul-02-07 Jul-12-07 21:15:00 $8,200.00 Joss Whedon Dinner, CA 7/27 +Signed Buffy Comic & Litho Bidder 12
Jul-02-07 Jul-12-07 21:15:00 $750.00 Serenity Sp. Ed. Hardcover +Signed Poster & Buffy Litho Bidder 10
Jul-02-07 Jul-12-07 21:20:00 $8,009.99 Joss Whedon Dinner, CA 7/27 +Signed Buffy Comic & Litho Bidder 13
Jul-02-07 Jul-12-07 21:20:00 $750.00 Serenity Sp. Ed. Hardcover +Signed Poster & Buffy Litho Bidder 9
Jul-02-07 Jul-12-07 21:25:00 $760.00 Serenity Sp. Ed. Hardcover +Signed Poster & Buffy Litho Bidder 4
Anonymous1 | July 12, 06:19 CET
Should not an organization called "Equality Now" hold a raffle for such a huge event as this? A raffle where everyone can participate equally?
If they had chances at $25 a pop, how many would you buy?
Do you think there are 10,000 Whedon fans out there who would be willing to part with $25 for one chance at this event?
That's 250K.
As wonderful as this event is, I really think the raffle would have been the bestest way to go for the fans and for Equality Now.
malformed | July 12, 06:24 CET
Well, take a look at the end of their 2005 annual report for the most recent figures I've seen for EN. It doesn't tell us what 2006 and 2007 were/are like for them, but if they're comparable it will give you a sense of context.
theonetruebix | July 12, 06:26 CET
Joss addressed this:
And it's why I pitched the idea of "pooled group bids" via The AUCTION Job, although I've not heard of anyone actually doing one.
theonetruebix | July 12, 06:29 CET
Madhatter | July 12, 06:44 CET
cabri | July 12, 06:52 CET
malformed | July 12, 06:54 CET
Should not an organization called "Equality Now" hold a raffle for such a huge event as this? A raffle where everyone can participate equally?
malformed, just FYI, this charity auction was created by and for Joss; Equality Now doesn't have any say in how he chooses to get involved. He could have just donated the money himself, but he wanted to give a few fans a wonderful gift. I am personally delighted by his generosity - and I imagine that Equality Now is grateful as well.
Also, my brilliant partner just pointed out that with a raffle, people of a certain socio-economic status can purchase more tickets and therefore have a better chance of winning anyhow. At least with an auction, people aren't "risking" money that they can't afford - most of us can see that it is out of our price range. I dunno, I sent Equality Now $50 anyways, just because I think Joss would think it was the right thing to do.
[ edited by ladygrey on 2007-07-12 04:00 ]
ladygrey | July 12, 06:58 CET
dcubed | July 12, 07:02 CET
Not if you limited the number of tickets any one person could buy, and it would still give the average Joe a chance. Which is what I'm saying: that the average fan cannot afford to participate.
I do agree its a wonderful thing that Joss is doing – but how much wonderfuller, and how much more money could have been raised, if we all could have a chance?
Just saying...
malformed | July 12, 07:22 CET
A full-on, worldwide raffle would've entailed a Ginormous and lengthy organizing effort, and one that I don't believe would've come off, considering when the idea first (apparently) bubbled up in Joss & Kai's heads.
tehabwa, though math of any kind scares the living bejesus outta me, I have done this just for you: looking at EQ's Annual Report for 2005, which also shows their financials for 2004, they have, roughly speaking, a $2 million annual operating budget. So the CSTS's contribution is roughly 5% of their average yearly income.
However, it's actually more appropriate - and heartening - to look at this: in 2004 and 2005, their average yearly net income from special events was $91,240.50. The CSTS screenings alone have essentially doubled that, which is pretty effing amazing.
And while we don't know what "My Dinner With Joss" is ultimately going to raise, we do know that the total gross is at least $50,000, so his dinner alone will represent about 2.5% of their typical annual operating budget, and roughly half of what they have averaged raising from for special events in 2004 and in 2005.
Not only that, but they usually have to spend money raising money, and hopefully these two windfalls will have cost them next to nothing.
Pretty ginormously awesome.
ET: fix grammatical sloppiness of the first water.
ETA: Oh, don't even ask.
[ edited by QuoterGal on 2007-07-12 17:50 ]
QuoterGal | July 12, 07:25 CET
Jobo | July 12, 07:42 CET
Indeed. Which is why, for example, the "pooled group bids" idea (at least as I presented it, anyway) didn't specify how a pool of people would determine who gets to go if their pooled bid won. Heh.
theonetruebix | July 12, 07:52 CET
Madhatter, you'll need some jolt cola for this run...
Most certainly. Two things in my favor are a typhoon blowing in upon us and I can brew a wickedly strong cup of joe. With that said, if I start speaking in tongues, please don't hesitate to tell me it's time to sign off.
Back to the auction, I think it was a great idea what Joss did.
Madhatter | July 12, 08:16 CET
I'd rather send EN $25 straight than spend it on a raffle where I could win but not take advantage of the opportunity.
Anyway, times running out for my ginormous windfall so I can bid.
theclynn | July 12, 08:31 CET
agreed.
as an aside, i love the many appearances of the brand new word 'ginormous'. :)
ladygrey | July 12, 08:50 CET
Which is why the proposal of The AUCTION Job, for "pooled group bids" included the premise that if a pooled group bid failed, the group would just donate their pooled money to Equality Now anyway.
I really did think this through. It just didn't spark much interest. ;)
theonetruebix | July 12, 09:10 CET
Or maybe that was just me.
embers | July 12, 09:28 CET
Samantha | July 12, 11:39 CET
One thing -- I don't know any fan that had this kind of money. I'm not critiquing -- this is a wonderful thing -- but I do wonder what the dinner guests will be like. Made of gold? Dressed like Simon From Firefly? To quote The Man From Edinburgh, Joss will be singing for his supper.
gossi | July 12, 12:25 CET
F'rinstance, it would be better if they don't bring a copy of "How To Cook Forty Humans" with them.
QuoterGal | July 12, 12:49 CET
I agree, a raffle sounds nice, but it would never work on this scale.
Madhatter | July 12, 13:53 CET
Shey | July 12, 15:10 CET
In this case the winer will be the person who values this experience more than, say, a comfortable retirement.
But I would still like to be able to contribute with a chance at good swag so maybe a raffle later on? Grab a coffee at a diner? Pie? With Tim Minear? Anyone?
[ edited by Liannon on 2007-07-12 12:22 ]
Liannon | July 12, 15:22 CET
I hasten to point out that although I think I'm genuinely wonderful, IF I had, say, $10,000 to throw at eBay, I'd probably sit at the table all evening wide-eyed thinking, "OMG, it's Joss Freakin' Whedon!" So it's just as well I won't be there. Go, Equality Now!
Maeve | July 12, 15:34 CET
Alas, those five dinner auctions are too rich for my blood, but I am still holding out a bit of hope for one of the Serenity/signed-Buffy-art/poster combo auctions. My absolute $$$ limit hasn't yet been reached, and I'm still leading in one of those, but I fear the last minute bidding-wars may escalate beyond my means. Living in Orlando, I'll have to stay up past my bedtime to see those 'till their respective ends.
Keeping my fingers crossed...
clarkkent179 | July 12, 16:11 CET
Margaret Thatcher
Michael Moore
Bill Gates
Tim Henman
Condoleezza Rice
Salman Rushdie
Pumps | July 12, 16:12 CET
Caroline | July 12, 16:17 CET
gossi | July 12, 16:26 CET
Bill Gates and Maggie at the same table ? Would Joss understand if I executed my emergency pre-prepared, "Smash glass in case of these specific circumstances" scheme to package the entire table up, including occupants, and post it to the Moon ? It's for the good of all (hu)mankind.
Saje | July 12, 17:22 CET
Madhatter | July 12, 17:26 CET
mifeng | July 12, 17:49 CET
I got a chance to meet Joss once, and after I spoke the bit of talk I'd rehearsed in my head, I could only grin idiotically. I'd be a waste of space even if I could afford it.
dreamlogic | July 12, 17:53 CET
I haven't figured out what snack/desert I think should be with Tim Minear, but it will inevitably be interrupted halfway through by Fox executives who were hoping that the snacking would go differently, and assure us that they'll let us finish the rest of the cookies/coffee/whatever at a later date. Or maybe your cookies will just be posted on the internet sometime next week.
Whoops, left my Bitter set to ON there.
Regardless, I'd bid.
kishi | July 12, 18:32 CET
Pointy | July 12, 19:36 CET
The 5 should be well prepared... to party with Joss. Or, well, dine. They should for instance bring a marker so that they can ask that he sign their dinner roll. And breath mints in case of garlic.
Sunfire | July 12, 19:39 CET
I agree completely with malformed. I applaud malformed for saying what needed to be said.
A raffle, while harder to organize, would involve a commitment from more people than this approach. Yes, you'll make a lot of money fast, but a raffle could translate into a lot more money in only a slightly longer time. All it would have taken is Joss coming on here and announcing a raffle for a dinner with him on that date. Word would have spread across the internet fast, and people like me - and I am willing to best more of his fans are like me - would have bought into the raffle. Those really super-rich fans could buy lots of raffle tickets, increasing their odds, but regular folks would at least have a chance - and would contribute.
The auction guarantees that only a privileged few - rich people, really - will have a chance to dine with Joss. Maybe Joss wants it that way. I certainly hope not. I think the pooled efforts are noble, but there are so many ways that can go wrong in the way the convention of Browncoats last year went very wrong. It also encourages popularity contests, so that the most vocal few get to decide which of their best friends get to go.
I'm not reacting to this on an emotional level. I'm looking at this from a sociological POV as well as from the POV of someone who spent many years doing professional fundraising. It's great that Joss is doing this at all, but it would have been greater if it was used as an opportunity to organize more supporters for Equality Now, instead of an elite few.
Nebula1400 | July 12, 19:55 CET
Nebula1400 | July 12, 19:57 CET
leiasky | July 12, 20:14 CET
That would be brilliant, leiasky!
regarding the raffle vs. auction, we all have different opinions and they are all valid. To me the most important thing to remember is that Joss is doing a wonderful thing both for Equality Now and for us. I applaud his generosity and thoughtfulness.
Hopefully this dinner will go well and Joss will consider doing something similar in the future! I couldn't afford to go to the dinner even if I could have afforded the auction, but I would definately spend $$ to get, say, a personal email from Joss...he could 'auction' off 50 emails and probably raise at least another 10K for Equality Now...
ladygrey | July 12, 20:41 CET
To be fair, I'm not about to spent more than a year's savings on a single dinner, even if it is with Joss, but that does not mean I couldn't (even if I had to go to the bank for a consumptive loan and empty my savings account).
Disclaimer: The price could still double or more, but I would presume it remains in the "I would never pay that for a dinner, but if necessary I could assemble such an amount"-category.
Celebithil | July 12, 20:48 CET
zeitgeist | July 12, 20:53 CET
Exactly. You kinda synthesized what I was just about to write, only with more words and less pith.
ETA: Forgot to say, Madhatter, coming up with "The Final Five" for the dining-crew-winners was genius. I think they should surely henceforth and forthwith be known throughout the land thusly.
[ edited by QuoterGal on 2007-07-12 18:09 ]
QuoterGal | July 12, 20:58 CET
TamaraC | July 12, 21:25 CET
Sunfire | July 12, 21:28 CET
From another whedonesque/newsarama thread, we now know that:
"Dynamic Forces President Nick Barrucci is bidding on one of the auctions to help raise the money Mr. Whedon is hosting, and encourages all DF fans to bid against him (and all the other fans) to help raise as much money as possible!"
He's also set up a Jossy-book-sale & donating proceeds to Equality Now. It's the domino effect... or something...
QuoterGal | July 12, 21:44 CET
Pointy | July 12, 22:54 CET
Yes.
Well, ok, the auctions start ending at about 9:00 PM Pacific time, or midnight tonight Eastern time, here in the US.
[ edited by theonetruebix on 2007-07-12 20:18 ]
theonetruebix | July 12, 23:12 CET
property of Mr Gordo | July 12, 23:17 CET
Er, well, the pages for each item do tell us exactly how much time remaining. At this moment, it's 8 hours and 42 minutes.
It's well over $51K for the dinner. I wonder if Joss is starting to feel just the teeniest bit intimidated...
cabri | July 12, 23:18 CET
Pointy | July 12, 23:19 CET
It is almost 3:30 pm, EST, where I am, which means it ends approximately midnight here (they didn't all start at exactly the same time). Find out your hours + or - from EST and you'll know when it ends in your zone.
Love's Bitch | July 12, 23:29 CET
I hope that the bidders know what they're actually bidding on and don't end up with an unpleasant surprise. Otherwise, there could be a rather nasty mess with eBay and Paypal, and who knows how that will affect the likelihood of similar auctions in the future.
Lady Brick | July 12, 23:34 CET
QuoterGal | July 12, 23:37 CET
Quoted for truth.
gossi | July 12, 23:58 CET
I'm totally with you, Maeve. I'd probably think up all sorts of interesting things to say after the fact, but if I were face to face with Joss Whedon, I'd blush, stammer, and make a general idiot out of myself. So in this case, me being broke is not a bad thing. I'm a good little Whedonesquer, though--I have donated to Equality Now and I even bought one of Lexigeek's swell shirts. Plus I attended the Serenity/Equality Now screening in Arlington (my first ever fan event) and had a damn good time. So I'm okay with being too broke to win this.
Betsy | July 13, 00:03 CET
$5 to eat peanuts with Brian Lynch.
Sunfire | July 13, 00:16 CET
"C'mon! Get to $11k, ya b*st*rds! Go go go!"
$5.50 for Brian Lynch's nuts. Erm... ya.
Love's Bitch | July 13, 00:20 CET
Thank you SO MUCH for the stats.
"Pretty ginormously awesome."
Indeed; and it's inspired a gabunch more contributions, as well.
Maybe bringing up the lottery could be added to the list of questions to drive Joss that last little bit he needs to go to be crazy.
;-)
Pass the salt!
tehabwa | July 13, 00:23 CET
Wait, how do auctions work again ?
Saje | July 13, 00:25 CET
theonetruebix | July 13, 00:28 CET
zeitgeist | July 13, 00:31 CET
dcubed | July 13, 00:38 CET
ladygrey | July 13, 00:40 CET
$15 to watch Brian Lynch read Peanuts while doing the Snoopy dance and also to ask him all my questions about Muppets.
[ edited by Sunfire on 2007-07-12 21:42 ]
Sunfire | July 13, 00:41 CET
[ edited by zeitgeist on 2007-07-12 21:41 ]
zeitgeist | July 13, 00:41 CET
theonetruebix | July 13, 00:44 CET
zeitgeist | July 13, 00:45 CET
ETA: clarification-- Snoopy, not Glory or Ben.
[ edited by Sunfire on 2007-07-12 21:49 ]
Sunfire | July 13, 00:46 CET
[ edited by Zannadoo on 2007-07-12 22:41 ]
Zannadoo | July 13, 01:06 CET
Simon | July 13, 01:55 CET
gossi | July 13, 02:00 CET
KernelM | July 13, 02:06 CET
miri47 | July 13, 02:15 CET
What kind of chocolate is River made of?
So about the auction vs. raffle issue...
I read all these jokes on the internet about Ben & Glory. Explain?
Sunfire | July 13, 02:24 CET
hacksaway | July 13, 02:50 CET
2) Video cam: Arrrrg! As Tweak might say, "Too. Much. Pressure." Unless they just allowed a brief introductory shoot at the beginning of the Food Fest. And maybe after. Yeah, a Before and then an After might be fun, when everyone looks tired and shocked from the awkwardly personal secret sharing.
3) I would take a food taster with me to this meal. Joss is known for killing people unexpectedly. I mean, Sophisticated and Intellectual Joss probably would be fine, but I wouldn't be so trusting around Fully Posable Joss. He's very bendy, and he's armed.
QuoterGal | July 13, 03:08 CET
Alas, I must protest. QuoterGal is misquoting me! The horror! Anyway, I'm not sure I ever knew just what kind of chocolate River was.
I don't know what Mia is made of, either.
theonetruebix | July 13, 03:44 CET
That made my giggle at my desk. I must disagree though. It's the intellectual one who would know what to put in the food! The posable one would just use the light saber on you.
Besides, I think he only kills characters. And with words. Um, I hope.
Sunfire | July 13, 04:17 CET
Doesn't take away from what is happenning though, not at all.
As far as being able to afford this – credit cards anyone?? Many folks have ridiculous credit limits that they never use (mine is something like 50K and I don't even net that much - its ginormous compared to what I bring home), so its possible that we have fans who are planning to pay this off in the long run.
Also, was the Warren Buffet luncheon a buffet? Just curious.
malformed | July 13, 04:26 CET
Really for real? I coulda sworn... Ah, crap, did I make that up, too?
Has this whole thing just been a dream? The whole time?
QuoterGal | July 13, 04:38 CET
BWHAHAHAHA
i thought semi-seriously about running up some credit card debt and quite seriously about spending some of the buying-a-house money we're saving.
but as much as i wanted to go, i knew that a.) i would be a speechless gaping moron in the presence of the Joss and that b.) my partner and i would have an incredibly difficult time deciding which one of us ought to go...not to mention possible marital difficulties afterwards!
i am so happy for the lucky folks who will get to do this.
P.S, sunfire, obviously you've never been in Joss and Kai's walk-in freezer. ;)
edited for grammatical stupidity.
[ edited by ladygrey on 2007-07-13 01:42 ]
ladygrey | July 13, 04:39 CET
(That sounds sluttier than I intended.)
Love's Bitch | July 13, 05:07 CET
cabri | July 13, 05:18 CET
embers | July 13, 05:23 CET
Madhatter | July 13, 05:35 CET
And Brian? I'd give $350.00 to Equality Now to take you to lunch next Summer (Yes, serious. You'd probably get more if you auctioned yourself off). Afraid I can't do Comic-Con this year as I'm still paying on the Browncoat Cruise.
[ edited by Tonya J on 2007-07-13 03:21 ]
Tonya J | July 13, 06:20 CET
Lioness | July 13, 06:46 CET
embers | July 13, 07:08 CET
dcubed | July 13, 08:04 CET
1st bid: $11,000 Bidder #15
2nd bid: $11,100 Bidder #14
3rd bid: $10,200 Bidder #19
Bidder #15 is also high bidder on 5th bid. I was hoping prices would go higher in the last minutes but I guess they're pretty gorram high already. :D
cabri | July 13, 08:10 CET
KernelM | July 13, 08:12 CET
No. The bidder numbers are within items, not across items. Bidder #15 in one auction is not necessarily Bidder #15 in another auction.
theonetruebix | July 13, 08:17 CET
KernelM | July 13, 08:18 CET
ETA: And thanks KerneIM too, I didn't see you standing there. :D
[ edited by cabri on 2007-07-13 05:20 ]
cabri | July 13, 08:20 CET
KernelM | July 13, 08:20 CET
Lioness, I just purely love this - "Fully Possible Joss" sounds wonderful.
I want to be "Fully Possible" too.
QuoterGal | July 13, 08:24 CET
embers | July 13, 08:26 CET
And again, it would've been cool if one of the dinner winners was a Whedonesque-er *shrug*.
clarkkent179 | July 13, 08:30 CET
dcubed | July 13, 08:30 CET
I just hope they were expecting to win two of the auctions. $20.5k is an awful lot of money...
'Course, that's not to say $10,410.84 isn't! It's just cuter.
cabri | July 13, 08:31 CET
I'm not sure why yet, but that'll come to me later...
QuoterGal | July 13, 08:37 CET
I'm caught between preferring 'Fully Possible' and 'Slightly Improbable'.
QuoterGal is misquoting me!
No way, say it ain't so ! I'm not sure if this makes up = down even more or if it resets it back to normal after Joss' 'The Core' love.
Wow, high bids. Good news for Equality Now. V. jealous.
(and much as i'd like to see a video of it, I agree people are gonna be nervous enough already without adding to the pressure and inhibiting the conversation. I, for instance, like to scream 'Cock !' between courses when eating - I just feel it aids the digestive process - but I might think twice if dinner was being filmed)
Saje | July 13, 12:38 CET
Suzie | November 26, 08:03 CET