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August 15 2007

(SPOILER) "It's Nothing Like Angel, We Swear." - CBS's New Vamp Detective Show, Moonlight. "[David Greenwalt] worked really hard on the arc of the series," says [Executive Producer Joel Silver]. "He really helped us focus and get started."

Actor Brian J. White agrees that Greenwalt is the guy you want for your vampire detective show. "David Greenwalt is right on the pulse with what the next permutation or evolution of that kind of series is."

[Spoiler tag is for light spoilers about the show within the article text.]

Sounds like they have a plan. Reminds me of the Kindred with a pinch of Bones thrown in. I'm planning on giving Moonlight a try.
Good luck to them, but I have no interest in this. There is only one Angel;)
"David Greenwalt is right on the pulse with what the next permutation or evolution of that kind of series is."

And now he's gone, so what does that tell us?
Dude. Jason Dohring.

Do we need to know more?
"David Greenwalt is right on the pulse with what the next permutation or evolution of that kind of series is."

...except vampires don't have a pulse.

The whole project practically screams "too many cooks/early cancellation", but there is one factor in Moonlight's favor: the villain. Every successful TV vampire has had a solid antagonist, somebody who got under his skin like nobody's business. Angel had Spike (then Wolfram and Hart, then Spike again); Nick Knight had LaCroix, and it looks like Mick St. John will have Josef. There's a possibility/danger that Jason Dohring could steal the series right out from Alex O'Laughlin; either that, or their gay subtext could rival Angel and Spike. Either way, might be interesting to see.
I'm so disappointed that David Greenwalt isn't on the show. They say he left for health reasons. Any idea what his illness is?
I will check it out because I support all genre programming. I don't think most of these Angel and Forever Knight comparisons are fair at all. Petty sniping mostly.
Never thought I'd see the day where my website was Whedonesqued (is that a verb?).

Anyway, Dietcoke, Greenwalt's inspecific ailment has been listed as "exhaustion" in various places.
Never thought I'd see the day where my website was Whedonesqued (is that a verb?).


It is now, or it may as well be if slashdotted is one :)
'Farked' is one too. You can never have too many verbs, I always say!
I'm more interested now than I was before... and I was planning on giving it a shot anyway. I'm curious to see how the folklore twists are going to work out most of all.
Of course Whedonesqued is a verb. I use it all the time.
If David Greenwalt left a plan for the story arc, and Jason Dohring is in the cast, then I'll be watching the first three episodes at least.
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[ edited by kerfuffle on 2007-08-15 23:02 ]
I wish they'd finally put a vampire detective in L.A. show on the air where the main vampire actually *enjoys* being a vampire.

None of this "wah...I'm immortal and good looking...wah...I have to save people...wah....I've fallen for a human hottie. Life is so tragic...wah, wah, wah"

They should have given Spike a show. He was hilarious in the episode where he thought we was supposed to be doing Angel's job of helping the helpless. Now, that would be great show because that's a vampire who knows how to be a vampire.
"It's nothing like Angel, we swear." Does that mean no muppets? Sad to think about.
"I wish they'd finally put a vampire detective in L.A. show on the air where the main vampire actually *enjoys* being a vampire."

Now that sounds like an awesome show. I liked Angel the show, but Angel the character's whole attitude toward life did start to wear on me. I much preferred Spike's outlook on life. Unlife. Undeath? Whatever.

I'm still planning to give Moonlight a chance, but I gotta say I'm not looking forward to it as much now that Greenwalt isn't involved. At least there's still Jason Dohring. I liked his character on Veronica Mars, anyway.
The only thing that peaked my interest in this show was the fact that David was signing on. Now, I won't even bother.
It is of no great relevance, but Sophia Myles is the partner of David Tennant and appeared in 'The Girl In The Fireplace', one of the best season two 'Doctor Who' episodes. She is an excellent actress.
It sounds like the old show 'Forever Knight' to me. I liked that show so I'll give Moonlight a chance. Hopefully, there will be no muppet enemies. . .

And Jason Dohring? I don't even know who he is or what he's done.
I was always bugged that the character even had an Irish name like Angel. Angel's name was Liam, which I thought was as Irish as you could get, but this guy's name is actually Mick St. John. He's so Irish his name actually contains an Irish racial slur! Damn Mick.
I noticed the Mick thing too, haha. I guess the creators are either very unobservant or completely nuts.
I'm firmly in the "gods, but Angel's annoying" camp, although I loved the show. Even loved Angel on occasion, when he was baad. Not Angeles, just "bad" Angel .... locking W&H lawyers in a wine cellar with Darla & Dru, having wild sex with Darla then kicking her out, saying that next time they met, he'd have to kill her, setting Darla & Dru on fire. That stuff was almost Spike-worthy, for a vampire. Otherwise, Angel was indeed "dull as a table lamp" :)
As for Moonlight, I don't have much hope but will at least give it a try. But in the trailers, my impression is that this vampire is no Spike, either.
Hey, you all hating on Old Long Dark and Broody, for shame ;-). I guess it's fair to say that Angel sometimes came across as the "Dad" in the fang gang but then he was the eldest and, unlike Spike, was born way before the progressive Victorian era and in a fairly rural setting so it's not too surprising. And then there's the several lifetimes worth of soul-crushing guilt to deal with. Would we really rather he just went "Ah well, what's done is done, bygones" ? What sort of man would that make him ?

(and note, that's not a pop at Spike before anyone starts down that road, personally I prefer him to Angel too, but Spike didn't do anything like the evil that Angelus did, or not that we saw anyway, so his burden's bound to be lighter)

Also, Mick is only a racial slur because the name Michael is so common in Ireland and, therefore, a lot of Irishmen are/were called by its perfectly acceptable diminutive "Mick" (like "Paddy" for "Patrick"). I doubt Irish folk enjoy it because being at the shit end of racism is never fun but it's a slur in the same way calling all Scotsmen Jimmy or Jock is IMO i.e. it might get you nutted but it's still relatively tame ;).

Also, are we absolutely sure he's Irish ? Cos I know 3 Michaels that go by Mick and they're all about as English can be. St. John doesn't strike me as all that Irish a surname either (BTW, has anyone heard one of the creators saying it out loud ? Curious as to whether they've gone with 'Saint John' or 'Cinjin' as the pronunciation).
I doubt they would use 'Cinjin" since about 3 Americans would recognize that pronunciation.
leiasky: "And Jason Dohring? I don't even know who he is or what he's done."

Jason Dohring played - wonderfully - "Logan Echolls" on the late TV show Veronica Mars, and I'll quote Joss for you on that one, from his whedonesque-post about his favorite TV shows:

"13) Logan from V Mars. Smirking his way into TV history."

He really was that good...

(There is also a little interwebs-thingy called "Google" if you ever again find yourself at a loss...)

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