February 28 2008
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Spoiler Warning: UXM 496 Reveals Ending to Joss' GS Astonishing X-Men.
Next week's issue of Uncanny X-Men reveals the ending of Astonishing and what happens to a specific character. Avoid reading if you don't want to be spoiled.
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Dana5140 | February 28, 19:40 CET
http://kittypryde.8k.com/
FaithFan | February 28, 19:42 CET
@theonetruebix | February 28, 19:48 CET
Saturn Girl | February 28, 19:49 CET
Joss had the chance to make Kitty an A-List character. His legacy could be making Kitty one of the premiere female characters at Marvel. Instead, he killed her off. :(
There are so few good female characters in comics. It's such a male dominated field, and X-books have been one of the few safe havens for female characters and readers, thanks to characters like Kitty. Now she's gone, and most of the other female characters (Jean, Storm, Psylocke, Jubilee, Polaris) have been written out and replaced with hypersexualized female characters like Emma Frost, Mystique and Wolverine's female clone, X-23.
The only reason I can see for Joss killing Kitty is he sees the direction that X-Men are going of hypersexualized female characters, constant killing (Cyclops has given up the idea of not killing and is sanctioning X-Men going out and killing the bad guys before they strike) and excessive violence, and want his favorite character out of it.
[ edited by FaithFan on 2008-02-29 02:14 ]
FaithFan | February 28, 19:53 CET
*sigh* I'll wait till the actual issue hits before I judge... but I'm prepared to be depressed about this I suppose.
Haunt | February 28, 20:20 CET
I expect that it will be a good ending, whatever happens. I wouldn't count Kitty out, or out without a big awesome finish, just yet. "Lost" could mean any number of things, and I don't know that person posting the spoiler on the other board. "Leaking" a fake story ending on the internet wouldn't be new.
Plus, she's a comic book character. Death is like the flu for them.
Sunfire | February 28, 20:26 CET
spidermansays | February 28, 20:29 CET
And on a second read, are all current X-Men books actually spoilery, or just potentially so? I'd assume someone reading multiple series with some shared continuity would kind of expect that they all potentially are, and then keep an ear to the ground for titles to avoid, if they really want to avoid all spoilers.
Sunfire | February 28, 20:44 CET
Dana5140 | February 28, 22:03 CET
I couldn't disagree with this more. First, there's just no evidence to support it. One can find a rationale behind every death that occurs in Joss's works. Second, one would have to know exactly what is going on in his head to believe that he's just in it for the "shock value." (In any case, the use of "shocking" is by its own terms wrong - the deaths can't be both "predictable" and shocking). Third, death, and change, is such an ever-present part of existence that it baffles me why people think that characters living forever should be the norm. I applaud Joss for looking at death and, most often, showing us the actual consequences of death on those affected by it. Fourth, not a single one of us, so far as I know, has read what happens in AXM or, more important, how. The fact of Kitty's loss or death could be told in a thousand different ways, many of which could have no "shock value" whatever.
BTW: lest this be mistaken for an apologia from one who believes JW can "do no wrong" - not so. I have quibbles with various aspects of all of Joss's creations. I may quibble with this one - after I've actually had the opportunity to read and think about it.
ETA:
I've invisibled the relevant spoilery text in the link descriptionbut, since that did no good at all, it's been deleted. Sorry about the RSS feed spoil, spidermansays.SoddingNancyTribe | February 28, 22:19 CET
Simon | February 29, 03:57 CET
Anyway, the newsarama post does point out that's unclear if she's "captain america-ish" dead, only that Kitty will be gone. There's a big difference between being gone and dead, she could be just stranded in space (not like Jubal Early, but more Star Trek Voyager or early Stargate Atlantis), with the S.W.O.R.D people, even.
It could be very well the pilot point for Joss' next project for Marvel, with some solo miniseries starring Shadowcat, I remember reading some rumblings about Joss maybe willing to do something related.
Numfar PTB | February 29, 06:47 CET
Caroline | February 29, 09:14 CET
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zeitgeist | February 29, 09:48 CET
zeitgeist | February 29, 09:50 CET
Joss just has one double-sized issue left, which is now set in the past prior to Messiah Complex- the biggest X-Men Event in 15 years. Everything changes after that and it's the motivating factor for everything. Kitty's is just one of the 50+ X-Men deaths in the past few years.
Warren Ellis has already said his run on Astonishing won't be following Joss' - it will be covering what's happening post-Messiah Complex where there's no X-Men, no school, and Xavier's dream has been abandoned.
So Kitty dying is just Joss wanting to go out with a bang, and has so little consequences in X-books that it's a running joke on X-boards now that Kitty can die and no one even notices or says anything.
FaithFan | February 29, 11:17 CET
So if it's a death, then Joss has demanded that the editors never bring back the character he kills.
FaithFan | February 29, 11:20 CET
zeitgeist | February 29, 11:28 CET
Valentyn | February 29, 12:33 CET
Nolan | February 29, 13:36 CET
If she is truly dead then I mourn her death as much as one can for a fictional character. If 'lost' means she is trapped someplace or perhaps on a mission elsewhere then I am sad she won't be around. Either way though there is one thing that I remember.
X-Men don't stay dead. Oh sometimes it takes a few years, maybe even a decade but somehow, most of them come back. There will be more Kitty Pryde stories to be told and I'll be here to read them whenever that day comes.
Howler | February 29, 13:39 CET
Haunt | February 29, 18:04 CET
Jessie was killed for shock value. Anya died because someone had to die. So, yeah.
Gouki | February 29, 18:04 CET
Valentyn | March 01, 14:42 CET
Sunfire | March 01, 15:07 CET
My main annoyance is that the ending of Joss's run has effectively been spoilt by revealing (or at least suggesting) the climax in an earlier released comic. Although I was starting to become suspicious by the lack of Kitty through recent X-titles.
ChromeShark | March 01, 17:54 CET
Except this storyline should have, by all rights, been finished over eighteen months ago.
Gouki | March 01, 20:22 CET