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March 04 2008

(SPOILER) Character descriptions for Dollhouse regulars, recurrings. As opposed to Ausiello's own descriptions, these are the ones the casting process itself has been using (as confirmed by this link, where the info eventually will expire).

"November" will be mine. :)
I wonder how character November's description of "20's, any ethnicity, beautiful and heavy" will actually be cast. 16-18, white and no more then 130 pounds would be my cynical guess. The media keeps hollering on about how 60% of Americans are overweight, really? I don't see 60% represented in entertainment portrayals or even 5% for that matter. Fun to be able to see the character descriptions and later to compare them to the actors who land the roles.
Know what I love about Joss? "Any ethnicity." He doesn't write stereotypes - the character will be complex and fascinating and with a completely individual set of flaws, goals, etc. no matter what, without resorting to some cheap ethnic shortcut.
Paul Smith... hardened by a cynical distaste for most of humanity

I can only hope the casting directors see a clip of Michael Muhney as Sheriff Lamb.

And the description "cold as an alp" rocks!

[ edited by OneTeV on 2008-03-04 02:19 ]
A casting topic with Michael Muhney mentioned? My eyes deceive me!

Two things: Paul's surname has changed.

And: To Smith. Agent Smith.
Speaking of surnames, how long until a Topher-centric episode is entitled On the Brink?
Heh. When somebody read the character description of Topher they just sat and looked at me.
Holy Mary mother of God! This is beyond creepy... or maybe cool, I'm not sure yet. MY real name is Paul Smith. I'm 38 years old and I'm moderately hardened by a cynical distaste for most of humanity. Weird.

Now I'll have to start using my real name online too. But everyone will think it's just a screen name. *shrug*


ETA: Waitaminute... gossi, do you mean that the Paul Smith character is no longer named Paul Smith, or that Smith is the new last name? I'll be bummed if my shot at Jossian immortality was destroyed already.

[ edited by Haunt on 2008-03-04 02:40 ]
Salutes Agent SmithHaunt
Heh. When somebody read the character description of Topher they just sat and looked at me.

Sorry, that was me. I'll look the other way now.

[ edited by theonetruebix on 2008-03-04 02:37 ]
Actually, when I read the description of Topher I thought, "Hm... Jonathan Woodward?" But it's probably too similar to Knox.
Dude, it's totally Jonathan "I've yet to be a Whedon series regular" Woodward.

It's also interesting to see the Whedon archetypes coming together, such as the reluctant father figure. I love the idea of a version of the slayer living on in TV land.
Well, no matter how the actual casting turns out, it's nice to read a description in Hollywood that puts beautiful and heavy in the same sentence for a character. Though my cynical side says if an overweight actress is cast, she will be African American, as big and beautiful is culturally considered more acceptable for them.
Haunt, gossi is referring to the fact that the prior character list, via Ausiello, referred to the character as Paul Ballard. But now this one has surfaced having him as Paul Smith.
So, the Boyd character clearly has to be played by Andre Braugher. This is as good an idea the internet has had since the whole "Hey, dude, Guillermo del Toro should direct The Hobbit" thing. If we say it enough, it has to happen, right? I mean that character description is him. Ex-cop, dude, he was on Homicide.

Get it done.
Perhaps Paul's so hardened that he broke his first last name.

Holy Mary mother of God! This is beyond creepy... or maybe cool, I'm not sure yet. MY real name is Paul Smith. I'm 38 years old and I'm moderately hardened by a cynical distaste for most of humanity. Weird.


For your sake, I hope this doesn't turn out like the time Homer Simpson discovered that a Don Johnsonesque detective on the show "Police Cops" was also named Homer Simpson. :)
Ooh. I'm kinda interested in Dr. Claire Saunders. 'course, the little minor problem of living in a non-acting state (Wisconsin) and not having an actual agent (Or, ya know, experience past high school Drama) prevents that. So I'll just have a tiny little cry over what could have been, and then wait for a couple episodes to air & write the two fics I have bopping around in my head.

ShadyLane Best of luck to you landing the part! Dunno if you got my e, but if you didn't it's no big.
"beautiful and heavy" - God, I love Joss.

Yes, and I'm on the Michael Muhney bandwagon too....MM as Paul would be the icing on the cake to this glorious show. Sexy and cynical - check and check.

One of my favorite "beautiful and heavy" actresses has to be Melissa McCarthy. I know she's busy with Samantha Who (the best part of the show I might add), but I would love to see her work with Joss. She has that Joss spark about her...I loved all the Sookie and Lorelai scenes. She's one of my favorite actresses.
Not that I want to see the old gang, and not that she is heavy, but the description "A comforting, radiant presence" made me think of Amber Benson.
Haunt...nice.

If I were actually a professional actor and a member of SAG, I would totally go out for the role of Topher.
I'm throwing my vote to Percy Daggs III for Topher.

Also going to go for Holly Marie Combs as Dr. Saunders. Sounds wierd, but I always have felt like she was the only "Charmed" regular who could act well enough to work on a Joss show.

[ edited by KingofCretins on 2008-03-04 04:34 ]
30-60. I would think the storyline would be affected by which decade was chosen.
Part of me wants the whole cast to be all new to the Whedonverses, but part of me wants Alexis Denisof to play Paul.

Only time will tell.
Yeah, I've been toying with the idea of Alexis Denisof or Sean Maher as Paul. Maybe even Christian Kane?
Maybe even Christian Kane?

He already has a show in the pipeline called Leverage.
Well, then I'm back to Sean Maher and Alexis Denisof. I'm not inclined to cast everyone from the Buffyverse, but I read the description of Paul and I see those two guys. Other Jossversers I could see there include DB Woodside and the Blucas, but it starts with Sean and Alexis.
Or the /other/ Paul (I think that was his name) FBI guy from "The Inside." He was nice to look at. :)
Arsenal said:

Dude, it's totally Jonathan "I've yet to be a Whedon series regular" Woodward.


That is exactly what I was thinking. God, I hope so. I've been wanting him to be a series regular on something forever. He's so good in everything he does. I'm keeping my fingers crossed this time around.

All of these characters sound fabulous. I can see myself becoming completely engrossed in all of their stories.
Jay Harrington, swanjun. Yummy.
I enjoy Woodward a great deal in his appearances, but I think he might be something I'd enjoy in doses. Something about the sorta slurry way he talks, I think. I'm sticking with Wallace :)

Or, staying with my goal of seeing at least one or two "Veronica Mars" alum on the show... Kyle Gallner.
Sean Maher please! Heís my one and only additional Whedonverse pick. Heíd be perfect for either Paul or Victor. More importantly, he hasnít worked in forever and needs a job. His talent shouldnít lay wasted.
From the actual casting sides themselves, I have to say that I can't see Sean as either Paul or Victor.
Oh userpjx... I just had a moment there when you suggested Alexis Denisof for the Paul role. Good god the thought of my favorite 'Verse actor playing a new 'Verse character that bears my very own name?

... I'll be in my bunk...
Sean Maher was in my first casting attempt as Paul :) So was Percy Daggs III as Topher.

My idea for Sierra is Jessica Lucas (Lily from "Cloverfield"). The link says not caucasion, and she is simply fantastic looking, and I thought "Cloverfield" rocked :)

Sticking with the "Veronica Mars" obsession I have with the casting, I could see Enrico Colantoni as Boyd. Although that's the role I could best see Michael Muhney in, also.

It was actually reading the sides that made me think of Sean Maher, oddly enough.

[ edited by KingofCretins on 2008-03-04 05:39 ]

[ edited by KingofCretins on 2008-03-04 05:48 ]
So exciting. I heart Joss for the 'beautiful and heavy' as well, but I too will chime in hoping that the actress who lands the part actually has some serious curves. I'm excited to see who Joss finds to play these parts, he's seemed to have a sixth sense for casting just the right person. So I'll stay out of it except for this one thing. ;) The only person that immediately jumped to mind reading the character sketches, was T.V. Carpio for Sierra.
Joss is calling for a showing of curves PLUS ethnicity is open on most of the roles? Seriously, though it ought to be more common, how good is that?!

Funnily, when I read Topher's description as "...articulate, nerdily attractive and blithely amoral" my very first thought was "I'd SO date him"!

And while we're coming up with episode titles, I call it that Paul Smith and (a reprogrammed) Echo have to pretend to be a married couple in order to escape a greater danger- 'Mr and Mrs Smith'!
If we're playing the casting game, the actress who leaped to my mind for Sierra was Lisa Ann Cabasa. She's even a Whedon alum... I think. I think she had a minor (very minor) role as a potential. True, false? Anybody?

In any event I certainly think she qualifies as a striking beauty.
I also want to give a prop to all of the color blind casting. Every little tidbit I'm givin makes me want it more! I'm like a rabid dog, I am.
Although as happy and excited as I am about this I hope we will still be getting some Whedon films in the future. One film was not enough before another huge bout of TV time. I know I am in the minority in this one, but I was really hoping for at least 3 or 4 more movies before he went back to TV. But who the frak am I to question that which inspires he whom we call Whedon. I'd pay to see him do charades because well, the funny.
The thing is theMidnighter, if Joss writes and directs his movie projects (and he's said that's what he ideally wants to do) then 3-4 films could take 8-10 years ! I for one have nowhere near that sort of patience ;).

Those descriptions are intriguing. I know i've said all new faces but from that description I could see Gregg Henry (of 'Firefly' and 'Slither') playing Boyd Langton. He always struck me as having a kind of younger Brian Dennehy vibe to him and that sounds like what the part calls for.
Some writer/directors show it is possible to write & direct movies in a short time, though. Woody Allen has done at least one movie, he wrote and directed, almost every year for the last 30 years or so. He even somethimes managed to make two complete movies like Husbands and Wives & Shadows and Fog in 1992 or September & Radio Days, in (1987). So writing and directing doesn't have too take that long. Most likely would though.

Anyway, I like to have Joss back on the television screen. The movies were taking too much time for my taste and so far I like his television work best.

ETA:
And on topic:
I couldn't resist reading the character descriptions. They sound very interesting. Wonder when we will be hearing the first casting news.

[ edited by the Groosalugg on 2008-03-04 12:27 ]
Well, it's not *completely* color-blind, there is one ethnic restriction among the listed parts.

I like the Gregg Henry idea, he certainly meets the 'gruff' thing. Another name that leaps to mind is Dean Butler (Hank Summers) -- he seems to be at the transition from 'good-looking' to 'fatherly', he was pretty awesome in his limited work on Buffy, and he was used so sparingly, it wouldn't even feel like Joss just casting all his own vets again.
Realistically, I think Jay H or Alexis would play well towards Paul.

With regards to Joss and movies, I get the impression he wants to make the big summer releases at some point. Which take a long, long time to put together in the southlands for some reason.

[ edited by gossi on 2008-03-04 13:42 ]
Having Alexis and Eliza play romantic leads would also mean a lot of Faith/Wesley fanvids, I expect :)
I thought of Amber Benson as well, for that comforting presence.

And another role ought to go to Linda Fiorentino. Or Michelle Forbes.

Mandy Patinkin might also work well, if they can get to him actually commit to staying.
Amber isn't "heavy" though is she ? "Beautiful" yes, heavy no.
Seeing as how Friday Night Lights almost certainly won't be back for another season, I have to push for Connie Britton as "Dr. Claire Saunders." Ms. Britton is one of the most talented actresses I've ever seen, and the thought of her not being on my television set weekly breaks my heart. And from that very short description, I can completely see her nailing the part of Claire.
Enrico as Boyd would be interesting...

I wish we had a chance of seeing some BSG people as regulars, but I think they're still going to be shooting as the Dollhouse stuff begins. Jamie Bamber (sp) as Victor would've been a pretty thing.
I really liked reading those character descriptions. One thing that appeals to me is that there is a wide variety of ages and genders in the main characters. Of course I love everything Joss has ever done, but with Buffy occasionally I felt there weren't enough lead male characters and with Angel, that there weren't enough lead female characters.

In Buffy, Giles was the only main character who was older than early 20's (apart from vampires, ex-demons and such- but Spike and Anya acted more like their physical ages than their actual ages). In Angel, the group as a whole were older, late 20's to early 30's, but still few older characters.

Firefly had a much better balance of characters in terms of gender, but still Shepherd was the only character who was past his 30s.

Of course I'm not levelling this as a criticism at Joss, because I think each of the shows had a certain focus with their characters. But something like BSG has shown that you can have a really varied mix of characters and write older characters like Adama, Roslin and Tigh that are just as interesting as the younger characters, and who receieve equal focus. So it's nice to see Dollhouse taking a similar shift, exploring both genders and people of different ages.
Since Bionic Woman is toast, how about Miguel Ferrer as Boyd? He can play tough and he can play thoughtful, he's definitely gruff.

Another idea for Boyd, and, yes, it's another Buffyverse re-cast! Keith Szarabajka (Daniel Holtz).

And another idea for Boyd, Richard Jones, who is currently playing Ellison on "Terminator: SCC" (although I'd rather that show get renewed and him not be available). Actually, my opinion of Brian Austin Green has gone up enough on that show to buy him as Paul, but, again, I'd rather him be on "Terminator".

How about Chiwetel as Paul? I know the odds of getting such a rising A-lister on an hourly TV show would be pretty lousy, but maybe he'd like to work with Joss again? He really is one of the best actors out there, and he's even done the cop/government agent thing ("Inside Man").
It'll be interesting to see how the actors make these roles their own. Like SMG did with Buffy.
As for TV vs. movies, I'll take Joss TV any day. I like looong stories.
I vote Alan Dale as Boyd. Oh yes. I loves me some Alan Dale.

And for Topher, Richard Kahan. He was Marco in The 4400 - I don't for a minute think he can only do geek, and would be wary of the typecasting, but he would be perfect for the part and to see him act Joss material? I would love it!

Or Nate Corddry. He was brilliant as Tom in Studio 60, especially in the stuff towards the end, and I think he'd be great in this role!

I had a whole list based on the Ausiello descriptions, but it's at home and I can't remember what I picked - I'll be interested to see how those ideas change now!
I'd like Percy back on tv. We miss him! I think he could pull off Topher. I can see Sean or Alexis as Victor. What about Gina as the ice queen? She's a little young, but it could work. They could pull a few folks out of the Wonderfalls cast. There's no way anyone can peg Amber as heavy. She's what, at most a size 6? That isn't heavy. Don't get me wrong, having her on the show would be awesome, but not in that role.

There's just too many possibilities here. Glad I'm not a casting director.
As soon as I read the description of Topher, Jonathan Woodward immediately jumped to mind. God, I would love to see him as a regular on something. Although sticking to Whedon standards, he's more likely to end up as a guest star who gets killed.

I think Muhney would be great as Paul as well.
Thank you Joss for a big and beautiful.

But, Hollywood's version of big is a size 5. Which I've learned to deal with the hard way. It's sad but true. I'm 5'4 1/2'' and at 130 lbs am considered "big", which is stupid. I shouldn't have to starve myself to get roles, but I was told to lose 15 lbs to be even considered for a role on stage at two different theme parks here in Florida.
I partially agree with Razor that it is nice to see the Whedonverse include people of different ages. But I also have to say that there were quite a few middle-aged men on BTVS: Giles, Ethan, the Mayor, Principal Skinner, the Master. Only one
of these was a regular--but men over the age of 35 did make an appearance. As for mature women--at times it seemed as though a demon curse had removed all females over the age of 30 from the "Buffyverse" except for Joyce. My memory of being a teenage girl is that there were plenty of middle-aged women in my life who were not named "Mom". Don't get me wrong--I loves me Whedonverse--it just made me sad sometimes that something that I love so much would render women my age so invisible (& I'm afraid I'm going to have to include "Angel" & "Firefly" in the invisible older women category). I'm happy to see that "Dollhouse" will enrich itself with women over 30. Because we are so awesome.
The one bummery thing about the confirmation of ages here is that it blows my theory that the reason Kristen Bell hasn't signed on for the next season of Heroes yet has something to do with Dollhouse. Oh well.
But all the "dolls" are in their 20s - the only older folks around are the handlers/staff at the House. So we'll be seeing all the young folks getting the action, while the older ones stay behind the scenes. What if someone wanted to hire a "father figure"?

And for those discussing Amber for the role of November: According to her famous post on the original Bronze she is 5'4" and 118. If you wanna call that "big" I'll have to punch you right in the nose. She has curves, yes. And she's proud of them. But, as she said, compared to her "very petite" costars she looked larger because of her curves. Yes, she's a "comforting presence," but by no stretch of the imagination "heavy." And she's Amber Benson, a person, not a size.
Amber Benson is in fact one of the sexiest womens in the history of womens. I mean, did ya watch "Restless" people? :)

It's odd to try to cast November. For reasons already discussed, there aren't many recognizable plus-size actresses to go to because most movies and TV shows have no use for plus-size female characters. By definition, whoever they cast will be a relative unknown. Ausiello might be right about going to Riff Regan (Joss did cast her once, after all, he must have liked something).
I instantly thought of Melinda Clarke when reading the description for Adelle DeWitt and I think Megalyn Echikunwoke would be a really good fit for the role of Sierra. Though Iím of the belief that Joss should avoid casting main roles with other Jossverse people, both actresses had fairly minor roles in Joss shows and are largely known for other work so they'd be my picks.
But all the "dolls" are in their 20s - the only older folks around are the handlers/staff at the House.

No, all the Dolls currently foreseen to be regular or recurring characters are in their 20s. There's plenty of room in the naming scheme alphabet for guest star Dolls of any age.
Amber could always do a Robert DeNiro and put on a bunch of weight for the role. (kidding...kidding) Besides, that wouldn't be very healthy for a TV show that's going to have 7 seasons.
Wait, no, if you use Megalyn Echikunwoke, the fancasting project for Season 8 has a problem again. We've been talking about her for Renee.

Meagan Good for Sierra, though?

BTW, awesome idea Joss, Eliza, whichever -- both using the phonetic alphabet as names and the technical term (Actives) and the casual term (Dolls) are all very catchy devices. Although are there really only 26 of them? I'm completely into this show already, just from the casting sides and the character descriptions.
Michael Muhney would be soooooooooo great as Paul! These characters sound very interesting just on paper I can't wait for this show.
On paper I can totally wait for it, it's in reality i'm having trouble ;).
Victor (Keene)- Okay, no one will know whom I'm talking about here as he's British and currently in Eastenders. An actor called Robert Kazinsky, plays Sean Slater and I've decided he's totally perfect for the role and no one else will do.
*loves Bubblecat*

(But doesn't watch Easterenders so has no idea what she's on about).
Okay, no one will know whom I'm talking about here as he's British and currently in Eastenders.


Are you saying no one here's British or no one here watches Eastenders? Either way, Google can help.
If I could cast this from people who you'd never get to do a regular TV series, I'd want Diane Lane as Adelle, Ryan Phillipe or Topher Grace as Paul, Chris Cooper as Boyd, James Marsden as Victor, Zoe Saldana as Sierra, and Dominc Monaghan as Topher.

Is it just possible that Joss likes that "alternate name" thing? Xander instead of Alex, Topher instead of Chris? Wash instead of, well, Hoban, so I guess that's understandable.
Y'know, I was kind of thinking James Marsden as Victor. I could see him in a frilly pirate shirt for his Errol Flynn moments with supreme ease. :)

And I noticed the similary of the Xander and Topher nicknames, too.
Okay, so here's what I've come up with so far...

Adelle DeWitt
40 something, any ethnicity, beautiful, sophisticated, cold as an alp. Runs the Dollhouse with an efficiency that is both ruthless and protective. Would die before she showed anyone how lonely she is. Series Regular.
Hauntís Picks: Gina Torres; Stephanie Romanov;

Paul Smith
30s, any ethnicity, good-looks hardened by a cynical distaste for most of humanity. An FBI field agent, he's been chasing the urban myth of the "Dollhouse" long enough to have lost any shot at promotion. Becomes obsessed with, and twisted romantic foil for, Echo. Series Regular.
Hauntís Picks: Alexis Denisof; J. August Richards;

Boyd Langton
Late 40s-60, any ethnicity, gruff, about to make the descent from 'good-looking' to 'fatherly'. An ex-cop, Boyd is Echo's 'handler' - her guard/bodyguard. Hates himself for taking this job, bu he'd lay down his life to protect the people he feels he's exploiting. Series Regular.
Hauntís Picks: Joel Gretsch (Tom Baldwin, The 4400); Kevin McKidd (Dan Vasser, Journeyman); Ian McShane (Al Swearengen, Deadwood);

Topher Brink
20's, any ethnicity, genius programmer who's articulate, nerdily attractive and blithely amoral. He's responsible for imprinting the dolls - and making sure they stay unaware of anything. Is fascinated by the science and kind of digging the illegality. Fun to be around, but might not be remotely trustworthy. Series Regular.
Hauntís Picks: Richard Kahan (Marco, The 4400); Gabriel Tigerman (Andy Gallagher, Supernatural);

Sierra
20's, Asian or any ethnicity - certainly not Caucasian. Strikingly beautiful. A Doll like Echo, she has every personality in the world but her own. Is not as self-aware as Echo, but is instinctively drawn to her as a friend. Series Regular.
Hauntís Picks: QíOrianka Kilcher (Pocohantas, The New World); I know it says Asian, but Iím really picturing this role as a Native American woman. Or possibly someone like Navi Rawat, though I absolutely do NOT want her to leave Numb3rs under any circumstances. And then again someone above suggested T.V. Carpio and I'm cool with that too. :)

Victor
20's, any ethnicity, handsome and fit. A Doll, and the other closest thing to a friend Echo has. Childlike when he's inactive, and everything from Errol Flynn to (young) DeNiro when he's active. Series Regular.
Hauntís Picks: Patrick Flueger (Shawn Farrell, The 4400)

November
20's, any ethnicity, beautiful and heavy. Another Doll, a hopeful child in the house and everyone else you need her to be outside. A comforting, radiant presence, who tends to get fewer of the criminal gigs and more of the personal ones. Recurring.
Hauntís Picks: ????????

Dr. Claire Saunders
30-60, attractive, smart and a little sad. Looks after the physical well-being of the dolls. Has an acid wit that she usually reserves for Topher, who may only be kidding about being smitten with her. (Or he may not). Recurring.
Hauntís Picks: Robin Weigert (Calamity Jane, Deadwood); Annabeth Gish (Monica Reyes, The X-files);


That's all I got right now...


And holy frak!!! Having just watched the latest episode of Jericho I guess I have to say that Shoshannah Stern (Bonnie Richmond, Jericho) needs to be cast as someone on here.

[ edited by Haunt on 2008-03-05 05:01 ]
"Any ethnicity" isn't special to casting of Dollhouse - that's a pretty standard clause unless a writer needs someone cast as a specific ethnicity.

I suspect "Beautiful and heavy" is seen a lot less often. Likely never - unless they are looking for a humorous friend to the leading lady.
Boyd Langton
Late 40s-60, any ethnicity ... Kevin McKidd (Dan Vasser, Journeyman)


Kevin McKidd won't thank you for that Haunt (he's only 34 ;).

And i'm an idjet, genuinely had no idea that Topher was a pet form of ChrisTopher, colour me one of the stupid colours ;).
Don't worry Saje, I'm in the same boat.
Actors play older and younger characters all the time. And the ages specified are likely just suggestions. If the right actor turns up and doesn't fall exactly into the range listed I suspect he/she would get the job regardless.
*joins Saje and Racoon Boy in the stupid colours corner*
Our numbers grow ! Today the corner, tomorrow the corner plus that bit over there by the rubber plant !

And the ages specified are likely just suggestions.

Well my tongue was firmly in my cheek but since you put it that way, the description also says "about to make the descent from 'good-looking' to 'fatherly'" so age apart, he still wouldn't thank you. Or is the character description just a suggestion too ? Cos if so i'm gonna suggest Michelle Forbes again ;-).
Haunt! You said Richard Kahan! I'm so glad it's not just because I love the guy that I thought he'd fit the role :D He just got his US work visa last summer, and I know he's available...
More Joss comments (to Ausiello) about Dollhouse:

[ edited by hobnail on 2008-03-05 21:23 ]
I don't intend to read sides, but just on the basis of character descriptions:

Paul Smith: Alexis Denisof. I can't get past this, I mean, how perfect would he Be? And surely just one Joss "main character" alumni would be OK.
Second Choice: Blair Underwood

Adelle DeWitt: Mary McDonnel

Victor: I have to agree with Haunt. Hadn't thought of him before but now I can think of no one else, Patrick Fluegar (SP?) from The 4400

Dr. Claire Saunders: Allyson Janey

Boyde Langton: Alec Baldwin

Topher Brink; Jonathon Woodward, just has to be

November: Sara Ramirez (Callie, Grey's Anatomy)

Sierra: Grace Park

[ edited by Shey on 2008-03-06 12:17 ]

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