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May 16 2008

Dollhouse Trailer. What more do you need to know? Go watch and then come back and discuss! Thanks to gossi for this one.

Glen Kasper, principal of Storm Studios, said “Joss has always been known to create intriguing, very detailed stories and worlds, so it was a challenging assignment to get all the layers and intricacies of the story into a 3 minute trailer”. STORM was cutting the trailer simultaneously as the pilot was being shot, so FOX could get the sneak of DOLLHOUSE out in time for it’s yearly upfront meeting in New York.

I can't possibly describe how excited I am for this show. It just keeps getting better and better. I need to watch again because I swear I saw Amber Benson in the bar scene.
It's a good year, you know?
*squees*

*dies*

*resurrects*

And that was without the video playing properly with the audio. Someone please youtube this. Fast.
Yes, yes, and more yes.
I'm having trouble with the video. Too choppy and keeps stopping halfway through.
Can't speak. Air too heavy. Type only.

It's unhealthy to be that excited about a TV show.
Err, i'm having issues. Are we gulping bandwidth or something (very, very stuttery for me) ?

Yes to the tube of U. Gossi, you've done a sterling job of getting it up but i'm thinking we need some heavy lifting from the big boys.
Wow. That looks amazing. And better than amazing! And then... even more amazing!
:-D
January is so far away. :-(
Everybody's gonna wanna watch this, right? I mean, everybody? Surely this will look as exciting to the rest of viewing public as it does to me? So many Eliza's in one little clip. Fantastic. More! Now! (Lucky me, no clip problems.)
I'm working on it, Saje. The trailer is actually hosted by a professional trailer company who did the trailers for Lost etc etc (really big shows).

But, you know, a lot of people are trying to view this. Funny, that.
Ok, how much of a geek am I that the first thing I noticed was that the font they used was Papyrus, the same font used for Serenity? :)

ETA: TamaraC, I saw her too. It DID look like Amber!

[ edited by lexigeek on 2008-05-15 21:50 ]
What an awesome looking show! Perhaps the master will stop by the blog and weigh-in on this one for us? [Knock, knock....Joss?]
Wow. Just Wow.

The show looks even cooler than the already 'uber-cool' vision I had for it. Amazing.
Yes to the tube of U.


I couldn't see it too, but I got the audio.

I'll try again later, maybe there's sth up with my Quick Time
But, you know, a lot of people are trying to view this. Funny, that.

OK, everyone else stop trying to view this, you lot are just being selfish when clearly you should be thinking of my needs instead. Take, take, take. Sheesh.
Oh.
Wow.

Can this be on the air today please?
lexigeek, you're not alone in that line of thinking..... :)

Though papyrus is being overused for things to the point where it looks kinda cheap. Loved the font of the title though.
Having seen the trailer, my interest is piqued. I now understand the premise clearly and the little clips of Echo in action are beautifully shot and fun-looking. Yay!
It looks even better than I was expecting - and I was expecting it to be pretty damn good.
Everyone start chanting "Fall Release, Fall Release, Fall Release!"
T__T

downloading quicktimeinstaller... and it's gonna take long 20 minutes!!! *I SO hate my internet right now!*
That looks excellent...guess I have another show to add to my must-watch list!
I'm so excited!!!!!!!

That looks great and Eliza looks stunning!
Holy crap. Holy, holy crap. I love what this show seems to be taking on. Oh, the dark and twisted philosophy of it. I love how it looks, too. Is it just me, or did the Topher character seem to be all Xanderish?

How can my 6 year old computer (iMac) play this video no problem? Is it just my lucky day?

Back to it. Wow oh wow.

[ edited by phlebotinin on 2008-05-15 21:58 ]
Honestly, if I didn't know Joss was the creative force behind this, I would be less than enthused based on this trailer. It kinda makes the whole thing look superficial and exploitative (but then I guess they've got to hook viewers somehow). (Then again, keep in mind that when I first heard about Firefly, my initial reaction was, "Didn't Gene Roddenberry and George Lucas already do space westerns?" so what do I know?)

The one thing that really caught my attention was Clayton Rohner - I don't know if it was announced that he was involved and I just missed it, but seeing him brought back lotsa good memories of G vs. E (much as did his guest spot on Angel).
All I can do is this:

*FANGIRL SQUEAL*
Meh, need Quicktime, but not allowed to install random things on work computers. Must wait approx. 20 minutes 'til I get home.

I believe Clayton's involvement was previously mentioned (he's on an imDb listing for the first ep) but skepticism arose because imDb's been wrong before.
God. Just, God. And I can't even get past the first 30 seconds of it. Please, really, a kind soul Youtube it already.
Gadzooks! That looks... delicious!
Cutting edge science in a house full of hot chicks!

That's a pretty good tagline.
Holy crap is exactly what I thought. I'm utterly lacking in words. You know what I really love- that was unexpected, surprising, not at all what I had pictured in my head. Which makes it even better. This looks so frakking awesome! I am giddy with the excitement and I cannot wait. January seems like so far away. :(

Also that cast is just going to kick ass all over the place. I mean really Joss can pick 'em.
DID NO ONE NOTICE THE BUFFY FOOTAGE???!?! Right after she speaks spanish to the guys holding guns at her, there's a quick cut to footage of a Buffy/Faith fight from season 3. It goes fast, but its definitely SMG vs. Eliza!!!

I wish this wasn't just a mid-season replacement.
Oh. My.

So, most of what I thought about it is wrong and yet most of it seems sort of right too. Woot ! ;).

Am I right in assuming BTW, that those scenes will be almost entirely from the "pilot" or have they started shooting other bits yet ? Cos that's a lot of stuff for the "pilot", I mean in a hit the ground at mach frikkin' one type of way. Did I mention the woot ! ?

I think as an appetite whetter and as a sales tool it's pitched exactly right. Hints, for those with eyes to see, of what's under the hood and yet plenty of exciting, sexy stuff to draw people that maybe don't know Joss but dug 'Alias' or 'True Lies'.

(anyone with RealPlayer, you can download the trailer using the funky "Download this Video" feature and then play it sans stutter)

ETA: And wow, good spot Xander, that is totally a scene from "Who Are You ?" (OK, it could be "This Year's Girl" but i'm thinking "Who Are You ?" is more with the tying in thematically ;).

ETAA: OK, even better spot, it's actually from "Graduation Day Pt 1". Damnit, a clip from "Who Are You ?" would've rocked ;-).

[ edited by Saje on 2008-05-15 22:16 ]
Normal language isn't sufficient to express just how psyched I am at this. Really, obscenities help, but they're not enough. This is SO fsking AWESOME.
Well, this computer's audio card isn't working, so I'm going to have to view it on the laptop.

*runs to laptop*
squueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
*pause*
*deep breath*
squueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
*repeat sequence until Jan. premiere*
Did anyone notice there is a clip of Eliza as Faith hitting Buffy just before the half way mark....its just after the seciton where she is speaking Spanish.
i checked and the fight is the one in Graduation Day Part 1. Eliza is wearing the white shirt with the black Sacred Heart

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=5nkvFHmOqtc

26 seconds in, same image!
Is the black really grey, or is my monitor crap?
It's the return of the "Fade to Suede" ;).
Thats the one Xander....I saw it the first time,but had to go back and slow it down when I watched it the 2nd time.
Did we just see the logo? We did, didn't we?

And I freeze-framed it, there's definitely some Buffy footage in there!

ETA: I say "definitely", but their faces are obscured by arm/hand-motion. Certainly looks like it though.

Also, if someone's putting it on YouTube, please deinterlace it first.

ETA2: Xander beat me to it. Wow, this thread is moving fast.

And yeah, the black is definitely too light.

[ edited by MattK on 2008-05-15 22:12 ]
January can't come too soon!
Video loaded perfectly for me. Also...

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I think that sums up my feelings. Very cool trailer, although it feels like a network cut, which I assume it is. Something tells me a Joss cut would more emphasise the theme of the show rather than "guns! fights! action! sky diving! whoring!"
GOOD GOD! *faints out of excitement*
Can someone please for the love of Joss help me out? I updated my Quicktime, but all I get is the audio and a green screen. And it stays green during the entire thing. I so need to see this :(
Looks almost criminally good. Is there a higher def version, because I want to see it BIG.
The YouTube version will be linked shortly.
I have to admit I was a bit skeptical about the premise of the show at first (I was also skeptical of Angel and Firefly when I first heard about them), but that trailer was awesome, and now I really can't wait. I really need to have more faith in Joss.

So it looks like Echo was imprinted to be "Faith", a vampire slayer, as one of her jobs. I smell crossover!
This is so not what I expected the show to be like.

And I love it! This trailer has gotten me so excited. Oh January, oh January, come quick my dear January.

And as people above, I saw Amber and I saw Buffy vs. Faith. But I'm thinking the former is just my eyes and blurry focus and not love.
How on earth do they get away with the Buffy footage? Amazing. I didn't notice the Buffster the first viewing. Fantastic.

I hate to complain but as a true fan, I suppose I must. My only gripe? Not crazy about the music choices. But hey, this is only a trailer. And everything else about it - and I mean everything - I love more than I know what to do with.

Okay - I didn't quite believe it at first, but I actually do think that is Amber in the bar scene. It's fuzzy, but it really does seem to be her. Does that make sense? Would she film this as a fun little cameo?

[ edited by phlebotinin on 2008-05-15 22:20 ]
Awesome, awesome, awesome and did I mention awesome? Life is so good!
Vaughn, it was for the upfront presentation, of course it is going to emphasize the guns, fights, action parts.

And the music choices? Perfect! C'mon the Foo Fighters!

[ edited by TamaraC on 2008-05-15 22:20 ]
thump

Sorry I passed out there.

There are no words.

But it is Legend...

Oh, yeah, the moratorium on that phrase.

Okay, then. It reeks of awesome.

ETA: I love the use of the Foo Fighters' "Pretender", it's a wonderful choice, I think it catches the theme wonderfully.

[ edited by crazygolfa on 2008-05-15 22:36 ]
OMG! Add me to the chorus of squeees! This really looks amazing, very sci-fi and very exciting, with just enough politics and mystery. I can see that I'm going to have a new favorite show next year.
eek! So. Wonderful. I watch A LOT of tv and the trailer appeals to not just my love of geeky shows that no one watches but also my love of more mainstream shows that don't get cancelled. This is going to be a long wait.
Vaughn, it was for the upfront presentation, of course it is going to emphasize the guns, fights, action parts.


Oh, I know that, totally. It has to sell the most exciting parts, no doubt about that. Just trying to keep my own excitement in check, knowing that the show isn't going to be 50000mph all the time, and there's more to this than just this.
So it looks like Echo was imprinted to be "Faith", a vampire slayer, as one of her jobs. I smell crossover!


A lot of crossover theories will surface. These things are so funny. It reminds me of sth. A friend of mine who's a Lost fan kept saying that Cloverfiled would "offer all the answers to Lost". I laughed at him so hard, it's weird that even the fans believe in these things.
How on earth do they get away with the Buffy footage?

Fox own the rights to Buffy, surely ? Pas de probleme ;).

In fact, thinking about it, the look of the set and the opening helicopter shot of the city is very 'Angel', at least the font is from Serenifly and there's a clip (and Eliza) from Buffy. Is Joss deliberately dropping stuff in there from all his shows maybe ?
WOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!! I cannot remember the last time I was this excited. I've spent the last 10 minutes racing up and down the stairs, showing it to every member of my family. I cannot wait... :)
Yes. Absolutely yes. Joss fan aside, this show just looks amazing. The concept sounds hokey to outsiders, I bet, but the execution as shown in that trailer washes any of that aside.
This just made my finals-filled day so much better. ::goes off to watch it again::
Okay, now I'm actually going to be able to get some sleep tonight, I have three things rattling in my mind I need to get out:

a) Show concept, kinda squicks me out. I'm not worried, it's just hovering near a nerve. Which I think is the point.

b) Eliza = love. And she can act love, too. Wicked cool.

c) "I'm not nobody".
I just got a coworker that hates scifi or anything that isn't "real" to watch it. His response: "Not bad. I think it will be a good show. People will watch and that girl is super hot."

He is solidly in Fox's target demo so this makes me all kinds of happy.
What's this "Dollhouse" thing?
oh my Joss! I'm just dying here... I still can't watch it.
Got the Quick Time, but is taking ages to load... and what's already loaded is just really slow...

but for the little I've seen, it looks awesome!

And yeah, definatly got a Angel-vibe from the city shots...
Well, we just found something that's even cooler than Iron Man!!
Also, no matter what it takes, someone bribe/pay the Foo Fighters to use "The Pretender" as the theme song.
Oh, and Amy Acker will be on the show, right? We didn't see her in the trailer.
Or: "Eternal Sunshine of the Programmable Date"
Never mind Eliza Dushku; I am slain by Olivia Williams's British accent! I hope she talks a lot. And is evil.

The trailer looks pretty cool, and it fleshes out the premise in ways I wasn't expecting. I didn't realize that people actually took the Dolls Actives out of the Dollhouse. And I really like the ominousness of "They're grouping."

I love the use of the Foo Fighter's "Pretender", it's a wonderful choice, I think it catches the theme wonderfully.

Me too. And at the beginning, they use Massive Attack's "Dissolved Girl"! With a shot of Eliza underwater. Hee.
After rewatching it, I already can tell I'm going to love Body and Topher as characters, and that Olivia Williams is gorgeous. Joss may have out done himself this time.
I don't think Amy is in the first episode.

More Foo Fighters is always a good thing. You can't really have enough Foo Fighters. Ever.
oohhh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god. I'm so excited after seeing that trailer that I just might explode!
Random thoughts:
1. I really love how child-like Eliza looked underwater.
2. Rather than a Xander vibe from Topher, I get a major Warren one. He's like a blond Warren; even the voice is similar.
3. I'm glad they didn't try to make Olivia Williams play with an American accent.
What's this "Dollhouse" thing?

It's a hip-hop reinterpretation of a classic Ibsen play.
I concur(sp?) with gossi that "I'm not nobody" has me damn hooked.

I've rewatched that line... a few... times.
Xander or Warren? Dude is totally Knox.
oohhh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god. I'm so excited after seeing that trailer that I just might explode!

Eliza speaking Spanish = hotness!
Can anyone translate the spanish dialogue?
Holy crap! This is gonna rock!

The sets are amazing!! Not what I had pictured in my mind. (More spacious. I was thinking along the lines of a typical house for some reason!)

Can I buy the DVD's yet? When do those come out?
September '09 ;)
I concur(sp?) with gossi that "I'm not nobody" has me damn hooked.

I really like the line on principle, but the moment doesn't seem nearly as powerful as Buffy's "Me," which is one of my favorite assertions of identity ever.
3. I'm glad they didn't try to make Olivia Williams play with an American accent.

Adele is cold and controlled - that's what the posh English accent was invented for (its two main uses being nefarious bosses of illegal organisations and airline pilots ;).

Xander or Warren? Dude is totally Knox.

I dunno, getting a bit of a Holden Webster vibe too. I don't think he's a wrong 'un like Knox or Warren, he's just got his head in the sand (yeah, I totally know the character after about 3 lines and 30 seconds of screen time ;).

c) "I'm not nobody".

gossi | May 15, 22:32 CET


I thought you were "nobodier than nobody" ? I dunno, one piece of amazingly kinetic existential inspiration and you go and get all existentially inspired. So fickle.

;-)
Polter-Cow, I don't think we know the full context of the moment.

Also, it's up on Youtube here.
Xander or Warren? Dude is totally Knox.
Heh. I did think Jonathan Woodward when I first heard about the part, I admit. But I think there's a dash of woman-objectifying in there that makes me think Warren first.
I can't get this to work, on any of my computers.
Damn, I can't watch it either and I have quicktime!? Haven't felt this sense of panic/frustration/need-to-seeeee! in a long time :)
gossi, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU for the youtube link!!!!

I was dying here!!
Insanity is about to ensue after this footage. We have to wait for like over 8 months???!!! Before the 1st episode is aired? How fair is that??

*screams*
Polter-Cow, I don't think we know the full context of the moment.

Oh, I know. I hope it resonates more in context. The line delivery didn't do as much for me, is what I'm saying. This is a show about defining (and redefining) our identities, which is a favorite theme of mine, so I want it all to be awesome!
Call me shallow, but doesn't the set look utterly fantastic too?
Thanks so much for the Youtube link!
The set looks amazing if you ask me. YMMV and all that.
I think it's time another polaroid is added to the Whedonesque banner, no?
Thank you for the YouTube link, gossi!
Mmmmmmm.... Pretty pictures.... *floats around in a state of joyous delirium*
Woo Hoo!! How about those little in the floor "coffin" sleep pod-thingies. Creepy.
I'm gobsmacked! I wasn't expecting a trailer just yet. Eliza's range is just amazing! I think this will fill the whole in my heart left by Veronica Mars. The hole had previously been Buffy's.
*still shivering*

It looks absolutely fantastic! I’m totally speechless!

Olivia Williams completely OWNS the role of Adelle! And Eliza speaking Spanish? *faint*

This show is going to kick some serious ass!

But the waiting till January will kill me... :-(
Trailer good. Girls pretty. Eliza reaaally pretty. Guys funny. Action cool. Half year wait very, very bad.

Grammar damaged by too much awesome.
ok, almost everything I could say about it has been said... so I'll just join on the 'OMFG looks awesome' !!!

About the Xander/Warren/Knox thing... I'm with swanjun, I get more a Warren vibe.

That's it. My brain is way too amused to be able to analyse it in a deeper level... maybe tomorrow.
Yay youtube link- and wow! Want. Now. And the coffin pod things are very weird.
gossi, thank you for the youtube link

I loved it, it's pretty much the way I imagined the show would look like, except I thought Echo would be more of a River-like character, a little crazed and out of it when she wasn't "imprinted".

Liam Mars, I love Veronica Mars too, it's so sad :( I wish Rob would make a movie. I have this theory: if Sex & the City brings lots and lots and lots of lots of money for the studio, a lot of TV shows will have their movie versions. Veronica Mars and The 4400 are the ones that need it the most, their endings left so much unfinished. Plus, they were pretty awsome.

Maybe the Graduation Day scene is to tease us about Sarah guest starring on the show... one can dream, right? :p
It's the happiest day of my life! :`(

*snickers* So true for us and yet so not for her.
*squeeing has reached beyond the limits of human hearing*

january is too far away!!!
About the Xander/Warren/Knox thing... I'm with swanjun, I get more a Warren vibe.

Really ? We're getting an objectifies women/Warren Mears vibe because he uses the phrase "hot chicks" ? So that's the same as attempted rape and murder now ? Each to their own I suppose, to me he just seems like a young guy that's "conveniently blind" to the implications of what he's doing.

Guess we'll find out in only, ooh, 8 months give or take. *whimpers*.
Thanks for the YouTube linkage, gossi!

I'm very very happy right now!
Well, I think this a good time for a first post. This looks very, very awesome. It'll be a long wait until January indeed! And thanks for the youtube link.
I think he's supposed to be basically a good guy in a grey situation and we'll see how that affects him. When I said Knox I meant purely that he sounded like Jonathan M. Woodward delivering Knox lines. And, yes, before you ask that does sound a tiny bit different than other JMW characters ;)
Okay, the website for the company hosting it (Storm) just crashed so the stream is broken. I'm trying to get it fixed.

Considering they've successfully hosted the launch campaigns for Lost season 3 and 4, Grey’s Anatomy, Golden Compass, 24 and American Idol that's pretty impressive.
We break t'interwebs the best ! Yay us !
It's awesome. It's awesome times awesome. It's awesome squared.

January looks very far away right now, though.
Really ? We're getting an objectifies women/Warren Mears vibe because he uses the phrase "hot chicks" ? So that's the same as attempted rape and murder now ? Each to their own I suppose, to me he just seems like a young guy that's "conveniently blind" to the implications of what he's doing.

Saje, I'm with you.
Adds to the squeel-fest!
Thanks for all the linkage good people.

On a side note, my local NYC Fox news station did a report from their upfront. The only Dollhouse they showed was a 5 second clip that don't believe was in the trailer. Couple caps here and here
For those thinking they're not getting the trailer to play on the Storm site, it takes a loooong time to load on slower connections, but if you wait until it's done instead of clicking play immediately, it will play smoothly. I think it took almost 5 minutes to load on my home computer but it was worth it. :)
crazy double post *glares at thread that spazzed on her*

[ edited by Mirage on 2008-05-15 23:27 ]
*whine* Teasers... such teasers. I want this now! I didn't think I'd get this much excited about something again until I saw this and was reminded again how much Joss blows my mind.

I watched the trailer for the fourth (maybe fifth) time. And I still want to watch it one more time. It's happening all over again! :D Now I have to immerse myself in my work so much that the passage of time quickens until its January. Darn.
Not always the case cabri- I paused it and it loaded in less than a minute but still played all stuttery- to the point where I only saw four or five images out of the nearly three minutes.
I haven't been able to view it without the stutter so I completely missed the Buffy moment- how odd. I also love the opening shot of Echo - all womblike, innocent and peaceful. Just awesome.

I just counted up the days until the second Monday in January - 248. Which is just far too long. So there's the bitter with the sweet that today has given us. :)
I've just changed the trailer website. It's using Youtube now, as we completely crashed Storm Studios' website.
We break t'interwebs the best ! Yay us !

Back during the advance Serenity screenings, some of us dubbed this "crashing fandango". As in, "We crash fandango'd Storm Studios? Awesome."

[ edited by theonetruebix on 2008-05-15 23:32 ]
I'm very glad that it's a January release... it's clear that FOX has a strategy that highly values this show, and doesn't undervalue it. Calling it a tentpole, pairing it with "24" (theoretically a good thing, right?), this "remote-free TV" thing... sounds like a strong investment. And if getting that investment to pay off means the show starts in January... to quote Bill Parcells, that's a good thing, not a bad thing.

[ edited by KingofCretins on 2008-05-15 23:33 ]
Right, this is my first post, so I want to make sure I get this right...

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

How was that? Intonation ok? I was going for more of a masculine bellow effect than the standard high-pitched number...

Seriously, though, so excited. Have been since I first heard the concept, and it just keeps mounting. And Olivia Williams is just awesome. I should know that by now, but she was even awesomer than I'd expected.

Thank you, gossi, so much for this, you are a legend. Oh, yeah, and that joss guy, and whoever else was involved...
If this is any sign of traffic issue's, I'm wondering how Dr. Horrible will hold up :X
Part of me wants to fast-forward through the rest of this year, but other parts of me don't want to miss a bunch of issues of Buffy and Angel comics, the TPB of Unstoppable, and Dr. Horrible. I suppose those parts'll have to win, as I don't have temporal powers.

[ edited by GreatMuppetyOdin on 2008-05-15 23:35 ]
This was sculpted almost entirely out of 100% uncut awesome. Very lovely and lush and yet off and a little disturbing. Intriguing.

And just F y'all's I, it worked best for me in Firefox.

Thanks, gossi and friends - now I can get the sickbed sleep I so desperately need. And yeah, Geek who is Lexi, I saw that type, too. I'm not a huge fan of it in this context (or in general) - I think it's little too homespun for this, but it's such a fleeting use, I'm okay with it. And if this ends up being the logo, I'm down with that, too.

And I just love this biological image of - cells replicating? Makes sense. Quite lovely. And (most left of the three) this certainly could be Amber, huh? And I find the Buffy shot a hoot, but doesn't Joss dislike that kindof self-referential or tipped-in reference to other works? Maybe he's okay with it in this quick-and-dirty upfront trailer, though.

Alrighty, I'm spent.

"The world is a very simple place, at first. Then as we grow up, it grows around us - a dense thicket of complication and disappointment. I know you've heard colorful rumors about what an Active is - robot, zombie slaves... They are, of course, quite the opposite - an Active is the truest soul among us."

"In a city of millions, many souls get lost. But there is a place that wipes away the regret, the pain, the memories. But everything has a price..."
How should you spell "colour" when you're quoting an English actress ? It's a conundrum ;).

As in, "We crash fandango'd Storm Studios? Awesome."

Heh. Surprised I must admit, didn't realise we had the muscle. Slashdot next I reckon, positive mental attitude people, c'mon we can do it !

The only Dollhouse they showed was a 5 second clip that don't believe was in the trailer. Couple caps here and here

Interesting. Echo meeting the fed and, watching it again, the photo he has is of her. Maybe Echo was his girlfriend/wife, hence the obsessive crusade ?

Wow, if all this really is from the "pilot", that's one jampacked episode of TV. Do we know if it's extended length like 'Serenity Pts 1 and 2' ?
If this is any sign of traffic issue's, I'm wondering how Dr. Horrible will hold up :X


It was linked off of the trailer company's personal server not off a load-balanced distribution network. You'll notice the YouTube link has no issues as it was made to get bombarded. I didn't see anyone that made me think of Amber.
WOW WOW WOW!!! Okay maybe I need a few more WOWs.....
Beginning of the trailer gives a Ghost in the Shell vibe. WOW!!!

And how amazing is Olivia Williams in the trailer!!! Great call Joss!!!

WOW WOW WOW WOW wow wow wow w.....
It made the baby in my belly kick....a lot. That can only be a good sign. I'm just too excited for words. So wonderful to see our man's work again. So happy!
Really ? We're getting an objectifies women/Warren Mears vibe because he uses the phrase "hot chicks" ? So that's the same as attempted rape and murder now ?


Well, at least for me, that's not what gave me the 'Warren Vibe'. For me was just they way of talking and the gestures... nothing like a 'murderer vibe'.
Couldn't be more excited. I just hope I won't become too unbearable while waiting for January... Gotta watch that trailer again!
I guess some Dutch geeks helped a bit to slay Storm Studio's :X Tweakers.net has a forum with a TV and Movie room, and I happened to mention the Trailer.. :D Oh and FYI that community is the largest Dutch IT related community in the world, and geeks love Joss.. so go figure.. Slashdotted or SlashGotted (gathering.tweakers.net)

Edit: Just killed it *laughs*

[ edited by Krusher on 2008-05-15 23:51 ]
Thanks for the quoting, QuoterGal. I have to say, I was really surprised, in a good way, that "soul" came up so much. It makes sense given the "what makes us human" premise. I really wonder where the idea will end up going in a non-supernatural (as far as I know) context. But then again, that's probably a big point of the show. Looking forward to a whole new world of "soul" debates. January... so far away.
So firstly there was the "Who Are You" intro at the start which had me thinking "ooh... Eliza in BtVS" and then there was the BtVS snippet in the middle. I honestly thought I was imagining that one for a minute. Heh...

As for the premise... I'm actually quite uncomfortable (which I'm not saying is bad) with a situation where these guys can be made to feel "in love" with someone. I mean, the comparisons to Warren and potential rape really maybe aren't that far off. I'm wondering how far down that road the show will go.

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Too much... Don't know where to start... Where is Joss for his insight?

Foo!
Not quite Primetime ready in terms of a commercial but the show looks fracking awesome...can't wait...

Needs moar polishing though on the cheesey PowerPoint text
I didn't see anyone that made me think of Amber.


Yeah, me neither... [but I'm kind of blind right now... my sight is fucked up]
Anyway, would be sweet if she made an appearance.

ps: sorry for the double post... but I still haven't learn how to edit my posts...
I'm in. Not that I wasn't in. But now I'm IN.
Oh, I can't wait for this. I've been a little hesitant about the concept from the descriptions, but now I'm sold. This is going to be a long wait.
Joining everyone (and coming out of lurker mode) to say that this is one show I'm very excited about seeing - and the trailer just ratcheted up the excitement level. The whole cast looks great.
Trying to catch the Spanish to translate it for everyone (although it's been too long for me to be trying this in earnest).

I think I've got it as, "muchachos, si arman bronca, promera mucha matre" which is literally, "guys, if you arm yourselves with anger, I promise much death"

Basically, I take it as, "Guys, don't even try. I'll own y'alls asses." Which is pretty obvious, but still.

....on the other hand, I could be very, very wrong, as I am but a gringa
'Twas quite satisfying, really, as I got to see Faith punch Buffy a dozen or so times! I think that was AB, shaggy bangs and all ("she" was in the booth at the bar, yes? Or doth mine eyes play tricks?) It needs to be January. Now.
If anyone wants to snag the original .mp4 file, I have it up on a domain that could take a little bit of beating (please don't take that as a challenge ;) use this for d/l rather than a watch/pass around).
Woo-hoo! Thanks for the YouTube link. This is so cool. I can't wait! (Though as I'm in the UK, I'll probably have to. *sigh*)
I have to say, I was really surprised, in a good way, that "soul" came up so much.

Must admit, when "but can you wipe away a soul ?" came up I thought "Yep" straight away, so that's that one answered (but it's gonna be fun watching Joss try to convince me otherwise ;).

I mean, the comparisons to Warren and potential rape really maybe aren't that far off.

Thing is, they're not being "made" to do anything, they actually do love the person at the time, so it all boils down to whether they're volunteers initially or not. But then that raises the question of how much you can volunteer for, how many consequences does a single choice encompass - if you make a decision now, should you be responsible for everything that happens as a result forever afterwards ?

Which is why it's such a brilliant concept, it covers "souls", free-will, the nature of humanity, the essence of consciousness, identity, mortality - everything basically. It's meaty ;).
Hee, Saje - the guy who wrote it is an Ameddican - though Brit-educated - so I think I gotta go with his likely spelling when I quote.

This day is awash in Dollhousey luminosity. This isn't helping me sleep, but it is helping me stay awake.

And I have an mp4 of it on my desktop, so I am no longer dependent on the potentially crashfandangoed.

I forgot to mention before that all of the quick-cut abstract or quick tipped-in cuts are lovely and compelling, and I'm sure that I will obsessively examine them. Oh, and also that the wedding-table scene with Stacey Scowley and that other lady, wait-it's-on-the-tip-of-my-tongue... nope, don't remember her name... is quite funny. See, there's room for humor here without betraying Joss' potentially dark vision or his depth.

zeitgeist, did you click on my link? - I know it's fuzzy, but there is a distinct Amberosity...
This is going to be pure awesome.
Good crikey.

January seems a very long way off.
How should you spell "colour" when you're quoting an English actress ? It's a conundrum ;).

It should always be spelt "colour" cause thats how us English spell it and it is the English language. ;)

The trailer is poorly made I thought, cheesy music and titles and using clips from Buffy is just silly. Also I'm a little sick of direct overhead shots of cities, it's very cliched now.

However there's some good footage there. It is not quite what I was expecting, I was excepting it to be visually a lot darker. However I enjoyed it more on a second viewing. Forget Dushku, Olivia Williams seems like the one to watch, the line at the end about the situation being unacceptable was brilliantly delivered. Also the actual Dollhouse looks very well designed.

I would however, like to see a more mature trailer.
QG, you're not crazy on this one. I had the same "weird that looks like Amber" thing when that shot came up. (By "not crazy" I mean it looks like her, not it necessarily is her.)
I think it's Muchachos, si arman bronca, te prometo mucha madre.

It means, "Guys if you give me a hard time, I promise to give you hell. (more or less)
It was amazing, of course, and I'm now planning to speak nothing but quotes from that trailer for several days. Great dialogue, looks extremely stylish and a perfect cast to boot. Now we play the waiting game, chaps. But I'm now completely sure it'll be worth it and much more.
It looks a bit like her but I'm not entirely sure.
Really excited for this.

When I first heard of the show, I for some reason envisioned the Dollhouse looking like the original SD-6 offices of Alias.

The sets they used reminded me a lot of the W&H offices of Angel. Then a quick imdb made me realize that Stuart Blatt, the production designer on Angel, is working on Dollhouse.
I was excepting it to be visually a lot darker


I have to admit; that was the thing that surprised me most about the trailer. It just didn't look the way I was expecting it to at all with respect to the colour palette and general brightness of everything. I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing. I was just taken by surprise. I have a feeling the show might do that to me quite a lot.
Could be her, that woman has the same shape of face as Amber.

I would however, like to see a more mature trailer.

Maybe later but to be honest, that trailer is gonna sell to the great unwashed IMO and, being at least partly unwashed myself I reckon we need that, big style. Frankly, I feel like we've pretty much done "cancelled before its time", wouldn't mind something in a "breakout hit of the season" or "ratings juggernaut".

Hee, Saje - the guy who wrote it is an Ameddican - though Brit-educated - so I think I gotta go with his likely spelling when I quote.

Well, so long as you're quoting the script that's OK (but i'm sure I heard the 'u' when she was speaking, so if you ever quote Adele directly ... ;).
Dave B wrote:
It should always be spelt "colour" cause thats how us English spell it and it is the English language. ;)

Didn't we win the IP rights to the English language from you in that big war we had back in the late 1700s? :-)

Sure, British accents are generally charming. But Olivia's voice is more than just that. It's downright mesmerizing. I still maintain that it's the character Adelle's voice that got her where she is. I mean, if she spoke to you like that, wouldn't you suddenly want to disclose all your classified nuclear secrets?

I'm just sayin'.
Must admit, when "but can you wipe away a soul ?" came up I thought "Yep" straight away

Well, maybe it should've been "Can you wipe away all traces of memory and personality?" but it just doesn't have the same ring.
Exactly, Saje! It is about time that the word "cult" and Whedon be separated. I'm tired of being in a cult and am looking forward to being mainstream. If so called "cheesy" music by a couple bands I absolutely love isn't "mature" enough then that is fine by me.
ok, now I saw her...
I don't know... could be, but I don't think so.

kind of off: this scene totally made me think of Dark Angel [on the pilot, if I'm not mistaken - just the walking at the party and all... can't really explain, but just brought this to my mind]
This makes January 2009 a lot more painful wait.
If so called "cheesy" music by a couple bands I absolutely love isn't "mature" enough then that is fine by me.

I don't think the music itself is cheesy exactly, but its the way it's used in the trailer that is poorly done.

Also since when is mainstream and quality mutually exclusive? A trailer can be well made and still appeal to a large demographic. It might even hurt the show if the trailer makes it out to be all action, when its actually a slow and existential study on the human condition. That would annoy a lot of people.
So when do they release a .zip file of audio, video, graphical, and photographic assets for fans to use to create their own trailers? ;)
Well, I did say that I'd believe it when I saw it. I just saw it and well...there ya go.
a slow and existential study on the human condition

I don't think you'd get many people to tune in with that tagline. :)
The "doll house" looks a lot like the season 5 Wolfram & Hart offices, which is nice, because I loved that set.
There are few things in this world that can urge me, with my 36kps internet connection, to attempt to watch a YouTube video, and Dollhouse is one of them. It took about forty five minutes to load it all up, but it was worth the wait. Loved the intro (very Angel-y to me), the music, the cast looks great on screen. Olivia Williams seems to be a superb actress. I can already tell I'm going to like Topher. Now, to jump onto the 'it's gonna be awesome' bandwagon, let me just say... it's gonna be awesome. I'm psychic, so I know these things.
There's no real reason that it should be Amber, really - it's just that when TamaraC first mentioned it upthread, I could see what she meant.

I don't think the trailer's cheesy - I think it's a damn good job - but it is a hastily-done job made, as has been mentioned, as they got in the various bits and pieces of film, so I think it would be fair to say that this is not the finished trailer that will go out to promote the thing to Joe and Josephine Q. Public.

And I dunno if I think that the aerial shot is so last Tuesday so much as it is a classic - and this one is rather beautiful and creepy. The music seemed fine to me - not a huge draw, personally, but it seemed to work with what was going on and lend it a fittin' vibe.

(I have never learned how to do sick the right way - soup, in bed, sleep, resting... *sigh* I am so gonna get busted later...)

And all the Brits must go to sleep now, too - mustn't they?

Edited because: my eyes burn and I makee the mistakes.

[ edited by QuoterGal on 2008-05-16 01:14 ]
OMFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH MY FRAKKIN' SHEEBA!!!!!!

I thought it was going to be awesome but not this frakin' awesome!!!! Wow! Fab! (insert superlative to suit!) My imagination didn't even think it'll look this cool and awesome and glossy! But then again this is why Joss is Joss and I am, well not. I can't wait!!! Gimme, gimme, gimme more! Dragons are real and can fly and breathe fire and have guilded scales!!!! No wonder fox ordered more eps!!! Thank-you! thank-you! thank-you! Just had a happy!!! Frakkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Careful, we'll run out of our daily allotment of exclamation marks.
Aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! Oh my god! Holy crap! This looks excellent! Eliza looks excellent! I got goosebumps when it said Joss' name, I can't believe this is happening!
This is the best day ever, I'm officially on summer vacation, gay marriage has been legalized in California, and now the Dollhouse trailer! Yes!
I guess I'll give it a shot.








So joking! I LOVED it! The trailer does look hurried, but that won't stop YouTube watchers. I wonder how long it will take to reach 1,000,000 views? If it took only a day, that'd be great.

I love Joss. I love Eliza & the cast. I love Dollhouse.

THIS YEAR IS GOING TO ROCK!

Yep. That was great. I'm totally with the people who were surprised at the way things looked (although, the new scene linked on the front page does have the darkish post-BSG-Joss feel I was expecting).

Two minor complaints (because, not everything can be made of awesome all the time - no, really - and because I'm affraid I'll use up the last of those exclamation marks, which I've heard are scarce):

- Not a lot of whedonesque-style dialogue in the trailer. Doesn't "feel" jossian straight away, because of that, but that's probably because of the focuss, which brings us to two:

It might even hurt the show if the trailer makes it out to be all action, when its actually a slow and existential study on the human condition. That would annoy a lot of people.


Agreed, Dave B, misrepresentation cán really hurt something. Take a look at what happened with M. Night Shyamalan's movies (no matter if you like them, or not): a slow burning movie (The Village) and a fairy tale (Lady in the Water) were both presented as scary thrillers in the vein of, say, his previous movie Signs, which I'm certain added to their bombing at the box office ("dude, don't go, it was the lamest horror movie ever. It wasn't even scary, like it was supposed to be.").

If the trailer is all-action (it's very Alias-y, really) and people turn in exited and get a slow-burning show... that might backfire. Whereas if they tune in expecting something a bit slower, those same people might love it.

Of course, the question then becomes: how do you sell a possible 'slow' show to a mainstream audience? And maybe the awnser really is: like this. Despite the above objections. Who knows?

p.s. Caroline, it's really very late here in good old the Netherlands. Guess I'm not the only person not sleeping yet (and I have a graduation presentation tomorrow, 45 minutes of talking about my research project... I really should go to sleep ;-)).
I literally can't wait until this show comes out. The trailer does a fantastic job of conveying some of the shows major themes. Action, Romance, Philosophical questions on the nature of the self and everyone's really, really, hot. It's Joss Whedon alright.
Am travelling tomorrow, can't sleep as usual. Good luck with your presentation.
Why do people think the show is going to be slow? That maybe sounds like the wrong word. None of Joss' shows have been slow.
I think I just died and went to heaven! So much Jossy godness in one day - trailer, cast photos and exclusive clip. WOOHOO!
Well, that was... neat!

I once made the mistake of not taking much of an interest in a new Joss project. When Firefly first came out I really didn't care enough to give it a chance. I was a Buffy/Angel fan. Didn't need some lame-ass show about cowboys in space. See how wrong I'm capable of being? ;)

Anyway, due to my incredible stupidity of not getting into the amazing Firefly right from the start I swore never to make that same mistake with a Whedon show again so when Joss announced Dollhouse I took notice. The concept sounded interesting. The fact Eliza was involved sounded even better. As news of the cast started coming in I grew extremely excited about the potential of this show and just hoped that I wasn't raising my expectations too high.

This trailer just blew any expectations I had out of the water. Loved it! Bring on the series!
Ok... parts of this look really good. However, I imagined it as a bit more high tech looking... glass walls, blues, greens.. chrome, and it's all wood and homey looking. The titles are also kind of cheap looking. And they used one clip twice for seemingly no reason. However, I do like the music, and the acting looks great even just from the trailer. I like the added element of why these people would undergo this procedure. I really want to see the show to judge fully.
Ok, that was amazing...

But I must have caught it just in time because now I get this:

"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by a third party."

Also, is there a download of it somewhere?
Unless, the clip they used twice is a actually two different scene, to bookend the episode.
yeah... I thought of that after I posted....
Good luck, with the travelling and not sleeping and thanks, Caroline!

And yeah, I'm right there with you, RockRage. I lost interest in Firefly after 'The Train Job' dissapointed me, first time round. Then I gave it a second chance on DVD, much later, became a huge fan, co-ran the Dutch Serenity website, and stalked my friends to give Serenity a chance (only, not scary, like). So you're not the only one trying not to repeat mistakes.

Soooo, that trailer.... kinda neat, huh?

(p.s., AnotherFireflyFan, it's also at this youtube link. But this does beg the question: is linking to this youtube video somehow 'illegal'?)
Woops. Did someone forget to get Fox's permission before posting this to YouTube? The video has been taken down.
GVH wrote:
But this does beg the question: is linking to this youtube video somehow 'illegal'?

Linking to it isn't. But posting the video itself (to YouTube or elsewhere) without Fox's permission is. The video is their property.
OMG!!!!! That was so fraking awesome.
Now I just to get myself a time machine a travel to january 2009.
Why do people think the show is going to be slow?

Because the Zap2It review of the script said it "comes across as darker in tone and slower in pace than anything Whedon has previously attempted".
But doesn't darker make up for slower? In my twisted brain it does.

We will all have to wait and see unfortunately.
Unbearably awesome that was.

Trek_Girl42, I agree about the font. If I see Papyrus again I'll scream. And those flying-words-I-made-this-with-power-point graphics... I wanted to cry.

I hope this is just a rough draft, and that they hire a real graphic designer for this. I know it seems like it doesn't matter much but it does, it does.

WW, graphic designer in pain.
Just watched again, somewhat I'm getting a sort of heavy "Objects in Space" vibe from it, can't explain exactly why.
And in a touch of stupidity, it would appear that people are complaining that we're spreading around their advertising. Meanwhile, the official source is still down from bandwidth overuse.
Even the mp4 I downloaded from zeitgeist is stuttery. *cries*
I'm thanking the Great Muppety Odin that zeitgeist gave us all the downloadable link, especially as I need to convert the rest of the people in my life. Luck to you, SNT!

I too was underwhelmed by the PowerPoint-esque fonts, but I just figured that since this is an early, rough do, all will be well by January. I was more interested in seeing the actors do their things for the first time.

I was surprised by the look of it though; I for some reason envisioned something in much cooler tones, and more shadowy...kind of like how I pictured Shade's Children in my head as I read it.

Hell, I'm all for slightly slower but darker; I'm so looking forward to the infinite shades of grayness that await us! Plus, of course, new hot boys to crush on, and Amy and Eliza being all badass.
Thanks, BoB - actually, I deleted the comment I'd just posted after finding zg's link. Looked really good, although I think the music (and typical trailer jump cutting) was perhaps misleading as to the tone; the former wasn't my cup of tea, really.

[ edited by SoddingNancyTribe on 2008-05-16 03:45 ]
Woops. Did someone forget to get Fox's permission before posting this to YouTube? The video has been taken down.


Yeah, it's down.

I think this is just b******* ... I mean, come on, we're helping promote the series... it's just a trailer... I don't see why it should be forbidden.
The video is still HERE.
Dang, must have just missed it. Mirror? Anyone?

edit: see above post.

[ edited by AMCsoldier on 2008-05-16 03:54 ]
I guess theoretically they didn't give permission to post it to YouTube, but Fox did approve sharing the .mp4 version of the video, so maybe its a case of left hand and right hand?

Even the mp4 I downloaded from zeitgeist is stuttery. *cries*


Then its your computer or the codec setup you've got thats causing you problems.
It looks awesome! I'm a little surprised at the sub-par quality of the vid though. The papyrus font looks a little bit "fan-viddy" to me, and the black background is grey. Otherwise, good editing. Can't wait for this show to be out!
It was a rush job to be ready for the upfronts, expect polished when they have more than a few days to throw something together.
Hmm...

I worry that the plot of the show isn't coming through sufficiently in that trailer. We all get it because we've read it a million times since october, but for people for whom this will be the first time they've heard of the show, will they get it? There wasn't a whole lot in that trailer to tie together the concepts of "Dollhouse" "Active" "Echo" "Sierra" and such in the viewer's mind. I hope they give it another go before this hits the TV.
I haven't read the pilot, or even paid that much attention to the plot details, Resolute, but it felt coherent enough to me. Is it necessary that viewers immediately understand what each of those terms means? It's clear that the folks who live in the D-House can be reprogrammed, but whether for good or bad ultimately is foggy; and that the Feebees are onto at least some of the people behind it. What else must we know at this stage?
I would swear upon everything I hold sacred, which includes The Complete Works of Charles Dickens, The Compleat Works of William Shakespeare, and The cOmPLeet WOrKEs oFf JOe SwEdoN that this trailer was something rushed through to make the upfronts, and there will be many other versions - not necessarily public - before we get a finished, promotional trailer for use in December and January on the Tee of the Vee.

I'm not sure why people are fretting about the otherwise... they did a great job, all things considered, but it ain't gonna happen - this will not be the final. It's not how things work.

Edited because I noticed that zeitgeist has pretty much said all of this here...

[ edited by QuoterGal on 2008-05-16 04:37 ]
It was a rush job to be ready for the upfronts, expect polished when they have more than a few days to throw something together.


Ah, ok. I thought this was the official trailer, but that does make more sense. In that case, it looks awesome :-P

Is it necessary that viewers immediately understand what each of those terms means?


For me it isn't. I enjoy the mystery...trying to put together the pieces in my head. It will all come together eventually.
Oh wow! That looks frakking amazing!! Even with the bad video quality!

Edited to add that I have not read any of the details of the show and the plot came out loud and clear to me.

[ edited by Firefly Flanatic on 2008-05-16 04:50 ]
So the trailer is gone...
zeitgeist wrote:
I guess theoretically they didn't give permission to post it to YouTube, but Fox did approve sharing the .mp4 version of the video, so maybe its a case of left hand and right hand?

Was that permission written or verbal? There's often a left/right hand issue going on between marketing depts (who love the free advertising) and legal (who need to protect their intellectual property). So it's usually best to get the studio themselves to post it, then have everyone else link to it from there, so everything's above board and it doesn't get repeatedly pulled.

There's also good sense in having a single source of the video instead of a million pirated copies, since it allows you to aggregate all the viewings into one place. Fragmenting it makes it look like a bunch of not-so-popular videos, rather than one uber-popular video.
The .mp4 is linked in this thread and io9 posted it too (think they got it from us, but not sure since they don't say where they got it).
um for some reason the video is no longer available :(
The .mp4 is linked in this thread (by me), also io9 posted it, also there are 5 other copies on YouTube.
The first few links I tried had been taken down or otherwise crashed... but they hadn't caught all of them yet.

Even with the sloppy production values... my body is now approximately 99% squee. (The other 1% is pasta.) The Spanish had me absolutely delighted. "I'm not nobody" made me roar with approval.

This is going to be amazin', folks. And we were there at the beginning.
"I'm not nobody" made me roar with approval.


That part gave me an extreme happy too :-)
Apparently Wired magazine has an article on its blog. There are spoilers, though. I averted my eyes.

[ edited by ManEnoughToAdmitIt on 2008-05-16 05:30 ]
God, I can't stop watching it.

Loading the last episode of The Guild now and getting back into the world.

This is going to be amazin', folks. And we were there at the beginning.


When Dollhouse has its 6th season finale we'll be able to come back read these posts :)
Wow! All I can say is...Wow!

And boo to having to wait till January! But I guess it will that much better because i'll have waited so long! Can't wait! Woo hoo!!!!
The video Succatash linked plays, and allows embedding into a website/blog (which I just did: put it up at my livejournal) so I'm not sure why it would be taken down at Youtube. Maybe Youtube took it down not realizing that Fox was allowing it?i
I don't think Youtube would take it down if FOX hadn't asked them to. Frankly, I don't think they would even know what it was.
YouTube would take it down since that have some kind of standing order to take down 20th property that isn't uploaded with permission. There is nothing to fret about.

And those that are finding fault with the rushed video job are amusing me. Actually fandom's rapid fire response to find fault with little to no information is what is amusing me tonight.
From where I sit, TC, all I can see is fandom's rapid fire gushing. But I haven't been checking out the comments or critiques on other sites, it's true.
SNT, maybe I am letting my annoyance from other sites carry over. My bad. Although there has been more negative comments than I expected about the music and other unimportant details here.
A takedown order is too late anyway, it's all over the 'net now. Best advertisement for zero money anyone could wish for :D
There has been a lot of talk about the music and the powerpointesque papyrus title card interstitial bits... All of it very silly. All explained ad nauseam upthread. As far as a takedown order, the .mp4 on Storm's server was linked and posted with permission from Fox.
For my part, I didn't mean to be overly critical. I wasn't saying it was a bad trailer. I thought it was great, and it made me very excited about the show! It was just the vid quality--NOT the editing--that surprised me a bit. Again though, I wasn't aware that this is a preliminary trailer. I thought it was the real deal. So I plead ignorance, forgiveness, and all that stuff. K, that's all I'll say on the subject.
The vid quality of the original .mp4 is pretty decent (though obviously compressed and interlaced), the YouTube conversion suffers a lot in comparison. Which did you watch?
In any case, Shanshu, there's certainly no need to apologize for not believing that this preliminary trailer is the greatest work JW has ever done or that it was literally handed down by Jossus to his prophet at Mount Fox - this may be a fan site, but we don't march in lockstep (well, not all of the time).

I thought it was good, but not brilliant. OTOH, I'm really looking forward to the show itself.
I just watched it whole for the first time in a series of times that'll probably take my morning. I still can't process it, but the first impression is.. so much Eliza, so much quality. Why can't it be 2009 now ?
Zeitgeist, I watched the youtube one, which seems to have been taken down. Can't get the other to work.

SoddingNancyTribe, as a relative newbie here I guess I just get intimidated a bit. I'm always worried that what I say will be taken the wrong way. Also having a tough day studying for finals (which I should really be getting back to...darn this site's sinister attraction!), so I'm feeling a little sensitive. The Dollhouse goodies and info have made my day a lot better though :-)
Apparently Wired magazine has an article on its blog. There are spoilers, though. I averted my eyes.

Erm, which blog. They have a lot of them and you didn't offer a link.
That was bloody awesome! It looked so glossy and shiney! Does Joss have a bigger budget than usual?

It looked amazing, just love the narration, loved the music, loved Eliza, especially "I'm not nobody!" Oh god I can't wait for this show.

And that trailer is the kind that will appeal to so many people, not just current Whedon fans!

Can't wait!
Given that very few links seem to be working I've changed the URL to the one Succatash mentioned. Also Olivia Williams reminds me of Elizabeth Hurley.

And hey here's a good idea. Fox host the video themselves at the Future Fox Blog. Otherwise I'll be doing my impersonation of Ian Brown on The Late Show.
There's a bunch of links on youtube now that weren't taken down [yet]. That scene that was released earlier today is there too.

It just sucks they took the other one down. 3.000 people had seen it in less than 3 hours, maybe that's what caught the attention of the people running youtube.

One more time, while I'm at it: Eliza is so cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just in case, Omelete, a brazilian entertainment website, is also offering the trailer to be viewed in their website, over here.
The video will be back online in a few hours. There's a "copyright issue" with it, which means it has to be changed slightly. I'm working with FOX to fix it.

Sorry, all. I was in bed. Additionally, there was so much traffic the Dollverse.com database server crashed. I'm just fixing it now.
Yeah, Olivia Williams has a Hurley vibe but (no offence to Ms Hurley) just in a few scenes she seems to have more ... substance.

crazygolfa: Unless, the clip they used twice is a actually two different scene, to bookend the episode.

Wondered that myself. One of the things i've thought they might do would be to have Echo always do the same things in the same way, day in and day out until one day, she doesn't - so they plant little clues for the eagle eyed and gradually build until everyone can see that she's "becoming". Anybody read 'Flowers for Algernon' ? Cos it'd be kind of like Charlie's spelling errors and the heartbreaking way they gradually creep back in as he loses his intelligence (only in reverse so happy ;).

(that said, I couldn't see any difference in the clips, Topher's mouth and Echo's movements look identical)

And yep, to the fans not 100% ecstatic, I wouldn't worry about this specific trailer, things are going to change (the font will almost definitely go for instance) and different promos will emphasise different aspects of the show. Nil desperandum ;).

(what's the copyright issue gossi ? Was some of the music not cleared ?)
I don't know if I can say, so I won't, Saje.

There's a new version of the trailer going on Dollverse.com in a few hours time.
gossi, are you working on this now? What time is it there where you live?? It's 4:30am here, I keep thinking everyone is asleep and tired but me :)
Fair play gossi, better staying on the right side of the long arm of the law ;).

(AFAIK, gossi is still in the UK danielgm86 and it's about 8:35 a.m. here)
ohh it's a good time to work then.. I've been so psyched with all the Dollhouse goodies that I couldn't sleep early. Thank God I don't have classes tomorrow [or more accurately, today].

[ edited by danielgm86 on 2008-05-16 08:39 ]
I saw the two repeated scenes as the ending of two different missions. Did others see it differently? I thought it was obvious and didn't give it a second thought. Late here now. Must sleep.
SQUEE! This is so exciting!

The trailer is awesome! It actually surprised me how different it looks to what I imagined it would. I expected something more kinda dark and sci-fi looking but it actually looks quite commercial in a good way. Kinda gives me an Alias vibe.

My favourite part of the trailer is the opening shot of Echo, it's so childlike and womb-y. I love it. And Oliva Williams was so great, I think Adelle will be one of my favourite characters on the show. Also I noticed the little flash frame from Graduation Day Part 1. Very cool. Another thing, that does look like Amber in the bar scene but it's hard to tell. Amber guest starring would be wonderful! It would be another cherry on top of an already awfully delicious cake!

Damnit Joss, now I'm all excited! Is it January yet?
Awesome. Want DOLLHOUSE now. *DROOL*

I love Joss.
Want DROOLHOUSE now. *DOLL*
Olivia Williams was fantastic. Even though I'm a Brit, her accent made my skin crawl - in a good way. I agree with various posters above that it does have a more commercial vibe. Also the overhead shots of the city remind me of Alias. Roll on January 2009!
It looks like Eliza's acting is more in tune with her Buffy acting than her Angel acting. (I always thought she did a better job on Angel, acting-wise. IMHO.)
It's obviously very early but I'm really liking Olivia Williams in this.

And I'm not sure what I was expecting for the look and feel of the show, but what I saw impressed me.
Excellent !!

I thought all the cast we saw were awesome, the sets looked fantastic (of course) and the dialogue just zinged.

And I'm with TamaraC on the music. Can't get enough Foo Fighters.

*off to watch again*
Nice... This made my day way better! I also noticed Papyrus and the House font (It's an occupational thing!) but I don't care. This is just an early preview and I can't wait to see the finished product!
Wow.
Okay I had to wait until I finished work to watch this, but I could see everyone going crazy over it and soo wanted to join in on the fun. It was a long wait but I did look at the cast photos, very cool the set equals pretty. Anyway I've now watched the trailer a couple times... Woo and might I add a Hoo! I just love the premise of the show and to see a part of it is just a big Yay! Also loving all the lines mentioned above, "I'm not nobody". Also "Did I fall asleep?" not sure why, there's something about it that's just kinda haunty, having no idea what you've been doing. Plus Eliza rocks.
Oh and I noticed the Buffy bit, and had to watch it again to see if I'd made it up, glad to see others saw it too. Gotta go tell people about this piece of awesome, my friends can see what I've been going on about.
Looks like Joss has toned down the quippiness for Dollhouse. It's too early to tell to what extent, but I'm hoping he isn't going to do away with it entirely, because I'd miss that.

The sets look a little like W&H sets, at least on the photos. It gives me a warm kind of feeling...
I think I peed in my pants just a little.. But in a good way.
I mean I cannot wait. First I was exicted and now I'm way beyond that..
Quick question, I see that the show is being produced by 20th Century Fox and Mutant Enemy. Wasn't there some talk that the show was going to be produced by Eliza's company Boston Diva Productions?
Can't get enough Foo Fighters.

The Do That Girl, would my username be enough to clue you in that I totally agree? ;)

I absolutely loved it when the Foos kicked in during the trailer. Okay, they are one of my favourite bands so I'm totally biased but it seemed to fit the style of the clips perfectly.
OMG!!!! I'm off-line for twenty four hours and I come back to this! Haven't yet read a single comment, but this clip is made of the molecular components of awesomeness. Must shut up before I make a total blithering fool of myself. :)
Haven't finished reading even half of the comments so I may be way behind on this, but YouTube has already taken the clip down, the dread "This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by a third party" is now at the top of the page.

Running back to watch the original clip, in case that one goes down too, it worked fine for me.
maybe they will do the mutant enemy/boston diva thing together the same as they did mutant enemy's "grr argh" dude and david greenwalt's motorhome/david boreanaz's judgment outtakes elvis impression.

it might be a double logo like ats.

i really want to see the "grr argh" dude again--needing a hug, singing and santa hats included.

[ edited by NileQT87 on 2008-05-16 12:00 ]
Ok, this trailer got me even more excited than I already was. In one word: jum!
The way that woman says 'zombie slaves' is fabulous. I get a little Charlotte Rampling vibe off of her. Predicting she'll be my favourite character.
Yeah, Charlotte Rampling crossed with Lauren Bacall. It's when she says "fall in utter and unexpected love with you" that I get minor palpitations. Whatever she's selling i'd buy, even if it was evil ;).

Running back to watch the original clip, in case that one goes down too, it worked fine for me.

Well, there has to be some benefit to being 12 hours behind the rest of us ;-).

And yeah Simon, i'm fairly sure the early press stuff talked about Boston Diva because a few people commented that it was a pity that Mutant Enemy was apparently not producing.
The video is still HERE.
Succatash | May 16, 03:52 CET


I used this link (thanks Succatash). It isn't quite as clear as the one in the subject line of this thread, but it let me d/l to my RealPlayer.

If anyone wants to snag the original .mp4 file, I have it up on a domain that could take a little bit of beating (please don't take that as a challenge ;) use this for d/l rather than a watch/pass around).
zeitgeist | May 16, 00:01 CET


Also tried this one but it made me d/l a newer version of Quicktime than the one I have. Haven't installed it yet, I'm not the most computer literate, and wondering if the .mp4 file will want to do battle with my RealPlayer? Anyone know??

Adding my thumbs up to the music, Foo Fighters = perfect for this clip.
Also in the Topher most like Knox camp. And Tahmon Pickett looked wicked perfect ;-)

How will we stay occupied until January? How many sites will be crashed as soon as clips go up (assuming more clips)? We are mighty .... obsessive. ;-)
Wow, its all so real now, its a good year, but 2009 will be pretty spectacular. :D
I would suggest anyone having trouble download VLC from videolan.org. Its free and it plays everything without need for additional external codecs (available for Linux/Mac/Windows).
I heart VLC.
Ok, here's my impressions:

Olivia Williams - She's great! Love the accent. I get a real Lilah Morgan vibe with her. I can tell she'll be a favorite of mine.
Eliza's looking hot.
People mentioned not seeing Amy Acker. Is that her standing in the middle of the room around 1:56 when all the actives are moving to their "beds?" Looks like a tall, thin brunette.
This show has so much potential, I hope it's successful.
I believe the proper non-Whedonesque internet meme response is "W00t!" (The Whedonesque response being of course, "SQUEEEE...!")
Ah, so this is why I can't sleep -- somewhere in cyberspace, there is a mighty roar ...

Actually, I didn't find the trailer slow or confusing. Trying to blank my mind and come at it as though I knew nothing (not that difficult, I know next to nothing :) ), it looked as though there's an ongoing primary mystery about what the Actives are (not what they *do*, but what they *are*), whether or not they really consented to this, an ongoing duel between the agency Olivia Williams works for and the FBI, and then episode bits with the Actives on assignment, from fighting (the Spanish-speaking showdown) to loving (the wedding date). Btw, who is that guy in the wedding date? Looks like Philip Seymour Hoffman.
Isn't the official Whedonesque response neither woot nor squee, but rather a quote from one of the shows such as "I'll be in my bunk." or "Hello, salty goodness!" ;)
Excuse me. I have to call everyone I've ever met.
And then die.
And then come back, 'cause Dollhouse is gonna be freakin AWESOME!
Everything is so good, I forgot what its like to watch NEW Joss stuff. Mercifull Zeus!

Heartin' the Foo's aswell.
"I'll be in my bunk" gets on my nerves, for some reason. Possibly because I am a prude. :)
Right there with you, swanjun. Um. Not in your bunk, obviously.
Well, everything gets old eventually, that's why we need new Joss on tv -- new catchphrases!
Well, the first catchphrase we've got is "Did I fall asleep".

Funny really, because I actually use that line at work a lot...
Shapenew, the wedding date guy is Clayton Rohner. He also guest starred in the Las Vegas episode of Angel.
Oh, It is so Shiny, and it makes so a happy! I am bursting with the want to screm it's Legand.... But I will refrain... for now.
Eliza looks so beautiful, Olivia is just wow, and it is the work of our Master so Squeee some more!
I expect to see multiple producer credits at the end of each show, including Boston Diva, even though her biggest contribution was in getting Joss and Mutant Enemy to the party. And personally I saw no reason to criticize the music since I assumed it was not the finished/original music, but just place holder music to create some kind of general ambiance. I love the look and feel of the video and I am VERY excited (without making any bunk references at all)!

"Erm, which blog. They have a lot of them and you didn't offer a link."
theonetruebix


I beg your pardon b!x, was hesitant to self link since I thought it was in my profile anyway.
Well, and, "I'm not nobody.". Linking in comments isn't self-linking. Linking in a new post is.
"I'm not nobody" sounds it could have been a line in Anne, although I don't think anyone said those exact words. (It was "I'm no-one.")
So late to the party. I'll just say "AWESOME!" and go hide behind the punchbowl.
even though her biggest contribution was in getting Joss and Mutant Enemy to the party

Many people have gotten a producer credit for far less.
Oh zz9 I'm all aware of that, and I do not denigrate her contribution one little bit! Joss was not looking to return to TV, much less to Fox, and I give Eliza HUGE credit for inspiring his imagination and getting him back to my favorite medium.
Olivia Williams- she looks like she will be wonderful.

[ edited by wrecks on 2008-05-16 17:49 ]
Lilah, Charlotte Rampling, Elizabeth Hurley ... Olivia Williams channeled them all, as so many of you have pointed out. She's the best thing in this trailer.
I agree on the Olivia Williams love. I thought the 'Did I fall asleep' scene worked to bookend the shots of Echo 'on assignment'. Since it's likely she will be in that chair before and after her outings for programming and de-programming, it will have a familiar repetitive feel to it. I just assumed that this is why the same scene was used twice, all intentional like. But who knows.
Also the whole awesome thing holds up (in fact might even get better) with repeated viewings, just in case anyone was wondering. ;)
I know Olivia Williams was great in the trailer (she could sell anything, even your own demise), but what about Eliza? Besides hottness??

Personally, I think her acting ability has improved TREMENDOUSLY since we first saw her in Buffy. Same can be said for David Boreanaz, but we're not talking about him. I'm proud of her for the training she's taken for this gig.
Oh, internet. You always give your best gifts on the days I have no internet access.
swanjun: "I'll be in my bunk" gets on my nerves, for some reason. Possibly because I am a prude. :)

@swanjun & Caroline: Oh, merciful gods, yes - not the prude part (I don't think prudishness is a requisite) - the grate-on-my-nerves thing. What a relief... It's been so painful, keeping that bottled up for so long. You don't know. (; >)

@ Olivia Williams admirers - yeah, she is the woman, int she? The way she delivered "Well, this spectacularly unacceptable" just did it for me... she is so (if you'll pardon me) going to be my (possibly evil) Giles. And "spectacularly unacceptable" itself - can't you just hear Joss saying that? That is my new catchphrase.

And talk about obsessive - I have a 101 degree F. temp. and I'm home sick from work again and I'm sitting at the computer stop-clicking the trailer mp4 to screencap all the quick little flashy interstitial images to put together and examine because I am apparently a sick little monkey. Results will be posted later. No, don't thank me - it's all in a day's fixation.

Oh, and I'd put money on Boston Diva's imprimatur appearing at the end of Dollhouse - not only did this whole thing come about as a result of Eliza's wanting to take some control over her career trajectory, but at a recent red carpet interview at an upfront party, she referred to Joss as her very good friend and co-producer... I mean, it's Joss' baby, as he has said, but I'm sure she is right in there helping with the delivery. It was her deal and her next step, and I'm sure she is a producer.

And along those lines, is it possible over the next eight months we spend a minimum of time talking about Eliza's boobs and a maximum amount of time focusing on the specialness of Dollhouse and the folks making it? We all know that Eliza is beautiful and lucious - quite frankly, it's unlikely she would have her career and this show if she wasn't - but I suspect it's gonna get way tired to hear constantly about how stunning her cleavage is. Can we take it as read that they're real and they're spectacular and keep that obsession fairly low-key? I wonder...
Considering its only been mentioned in one thread that I can recall, I think we're pretty safe ;)
Ok, I watched it now. I like it. I like it a lot. Gave me flashbacks to the bits of La Femme Nikita that intrigued me, without the parts that didn't.

The techcnowhoosit of living as a blank slate looked pretty obviously creepy. I was expecting a more subtle "this seems rather normal except for the blankness, and that makes it even very disturbing" thing.
Can we take it as read that they're real and they're spectacular and keep that obsession fairly low-key?

It's a nice idea in theory but... it is damn fine cleavage... ;P

Joking aside, I take your point. Eliza does tend to bring out the worst in the male (and no doubt a good number of the female) section of the Whedon fanbase. Can't speak for anyone else but I will try keep my respect for the lovely Miss Dushku's cleavage to a minimum. At least as much as possible. ;)
zeitgeist: Considering its only been mentioned in one thread that I can recall, I think we're pretty safe ;)


One thread, three times - aside from the joking reactions, which I'm leaving out - and I started to see it emerging, and there will, of course, be more. I don't think it being presently confined at the moment to one thread means "we're safe" or that it will stay contained.

http://whedonesque.com/comments/16341#228809
http://whedonesque.com/comments/16341#228806
http://whedonesque.com/comments/16341#229070


I think it needed mentioning. And thanks, RockRage, that was classy.
I had actually missed the patxshand one (so ta or the linkage), which was by far the ahem, to continue the sarcasm, classiest of them. Still, not worried. Just as we haven't allowed this to become "Top Ten Birds/Blokes I'd Like to Shag"-esque, its not going to become Cleavage-esque. So, I'll repeat, I think we're safe (and this is coming from someone who can put people on timeout for such classy comments - you all have my email address if I miss anything tasteless).
Just to be clear, my use of the word "classy" above to RockRage was sincere.

And I'm not actually worried so much as I'm being observant and pointy-outy, as is my wont.

As you were. Nothing to see here. At ease. Stand down.

So, my temp is actually 101.5 degrees! It's a little hot, but sorta fun!!! (How many exclamation points do we have left? Is anyone keeping track?)
I think we're actually borrowing against Sunday's allotment, though I hear tell the next wagon-load was delayed due to inclement weather! <- CRAP! <- Oh no... <- see that? There weren't any |'s left, just a bunch of .'s.
No worries, I have extra punctuation; I always bring extra!
Zeitgeist: Cleavage-esque? That just freaking made my day. Hahaha!
I'm SO looking forward to Comic-Con! It's going to be a mosh-pit of happy!

I say this, of course, in expectation that people like Purple & Diva will show up with excitement for their new show and share with us.

Of course. Plus the BILLION other things going on!

Side note: CAPS WORK JUST AS WELL AS "!". JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU'RE HAPPY & WANT TO "ran out".
*drags in loaded suitcase and dumps its contents into thread.*

! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

There!!! I scavenged around in some other websites and grabbed these for us. This should last us through the weekend. They're used, but there's very little wear on them, so I thought we could recycle them.

It's very !green! of us.
Oh my gosh, QuoterGal, you are *so* hilarious. Where else will I find punctuation humor but here? Nothing so eco as a recycled exclamation mark.
weee. recycled punctuation....we're such lovely geeks :)
Am I allowed to cross-pollinate fandoms for a second and use the term Word Nerds?
Actually, excess punctuation is frowned upon, especially capital letters, which give those of us who have to read every post the gift of an instant migraine.

But, yeah, that was funny. This time . . . ;-)

Where does that term come from, Haunt?
David Cook fans call ourselves Word Nerds. I know, I know... AI is a very guilty pleasure of mine, and one that only rarely actually brings any actual pleasure, guilty or otherwise. But David Cook is one great thing I've gotten out of it this year.
Nifty! Since I already like me some Eliza kicking ass, Olivia Williams is the woman to fall in love with. The way she delivered her lines - the accent - the coolness - just wonderful.

Want more. Quickly. Not there yet? Dammit.
And so it has been removed by some amoral copyright nazi - grrrr
Last time I checked it was back up on Dollverse.

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