Firefly Geekery or Disney Princesses?
WebComic InkTank ponders proper way to raise children.
Personally, I think Disney and Whedon can peacefully coexist :-)
June 20 2008
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BrewBunny | June 20, 16:09 CET
But her dad and mom didn't particularly care one way or another which products she was drawn towards - and whatever else they represent, Spidey-dolls and Disney princesses are products - as long as she learned positive human traits, and got out of the house now and then.
The cartoon as drawn seems to represent butch and femme as much as geek-and-mainstream, and a good combo of all four seemed to work just fine for my sister's kids...
QuoterGal | June 20, 16:20 CET
deepgirl187 | June 20, 17:24 CET
* I have met and been scared by many children who truly believe they are princesses destined to marry a fabulous prince and live happily ever after - it never ends well.
DreamDancer | June 20, 17:50 CET
I mean, there are about a kajillion stores at Disneyland, as you may know, and each one I passed, I went in and asked if they had any witches or evils as figures or jewelry or anything, and finally two or three store attendants told me (as if it was a Big Secret) that they were "done" with those kinds of figures as products - although there was one store (shhhhh) in Old Fake New Orleans that might have something... and in a Fake Town where you might expect at least some Fake Witches and Fake Voodoo there were only a couple of Tim Burton snakey-and-Nightmare-Before-Christmas-Things.
I find the Pink Princess-i-fication of Disney products both a little sad and a little sicky sweet... I mean, it's not like they were bastions of the balance of light and dark or kickass female figures of power to begin with, but at least there was frikkin' Maleficent - and the Fairy Godmother...
QuoterGal | June 20, 18:20 CET
kishi | June 20, 18:47 CET
IrrationaliTV | June 20, 19:01 CET
Sondheim's show Into the Woods has a song titled "Moments in the Woods" where a female character expresses this dilemma over needing to make black-or-white decisions, singing:
Must it all be either less or more,
Either plain or grand?
Is it always "or"?
Is it never "and"?
Disney princesses lack this essential human element.
SteveP | June 20, 19:42 CET
WITCH:
You're so nice.
You're not good,
You're not bad,
You're just nice.
I'm not good,
I'm not nice,
I'm just right.
I'm the Witch.
You're the world.
I'm the hitch.
I'm what no one believes,
I'm the Witch.
You're all liars and thieves,
Like his father,
Like his son will be, too-
Oh, why bother?
You'll just do what you do..."
and
"Witches can be right, Giants can be good."
Um, not that I identify with witches or anything...
(Tamara, I wonder what happened with that line? - why it didn't do better? - 'cause much of the Villain/Witch stuff online now is very collectible-pricey... although maybe it was the items chosen for the line... not so sure I would want a Witchy-tee or Maleficent mouse ears or a Cruella notepad, but I would shell out for figures and wands and mirrors and poisoned apples and stuff...
And maybe it's got something to do with the fact that Orange County is - well, for the most part, very Orange County... I swear that two of the salespeople lowered their voices and looked around when they had to say the word "witch" - which I found quite funny.)
QuoterGal | June 20, 20:18 CET
magnus carnage | June 20, 20:28 CET
Didn't there used to be a Villains Store in Disneyland? What happened to that one?
ManEnoughToAdmitIt | June 20, 22:05 CET
Braeden Fireheart | June 21, 02:55 CET
Simon | June 21, 02:59 CET
We're off to Disney World this year - I shall definitely look out for some villain merchandise.
The Do That Girl | June 21, 03:48 CET
If you're staying at the Pop Century Resort, look for the 90s montage in the hotel lobby. There's a Buffy and Xander pic in it.
I took a pic of it (apologies for the quality).
Simon | June 21, 05:02 CET
Also, I can quote Sondheim's characters too! And this one's on topic an everything!
Careful the things you say
Children will listen
Careful the things you do
Children will see and learn
Children may not obey, but children will listen
Children will look to you for which way to turn
To learn what to be
Careful before you say "Listen to me"
Children will listen
This game is fun.
ElusiveJ | June 21, 13:14 CET
I liked replaying the stories with action figures as a child: re-inventing those battles of good vs. evil. I played with transformers, g.i.joe, voltron, starwars, barbie, my little pony... often all at the same time. Barbie always worked as sleeper agents for Cobra. I can't imagine only playing with "good guy" figures... How incredibly uninspiring. How soul-killingly dull.
QingTing | June 21, 14:10 CET
I had set up this neat little stake in the backyard by the rose garden with twigs and popsicle sticks and my troll dolls as the English guards, and Barbie/Joan was just delivering a mighty fine death speech, when my Mom swooped down and obliterated the whole terribly moving scene - thus sparing Barbie from a melty death.
Barbie would go on to play such demanding roles as "Honey West Climbs a Tree" and "Jane of the Jungle Gets Menaced by a Cat" but I still think getting burned at the stake could have been her defining role.
QuoterGal | June 21, 14:53 CET
For some reason I always put my Kens in danger, so Barbie could come rescue him. Rabid dogs (thanks, To Kill a Mockingbird), and hunchbacks were always trapping Ken.
I have a Wicked Queen (Snow White) sequined purse.
Willow has the hopeful, romantic notions of the current (Jasmine, Ariel, Mulan) princesses in her room via posters and videos. But I tend to like them better because they are stronger - Ariel saves Eric from drowning before he kills Ursula to save her, and Mulan just plain ol' saves China! Jasmine hates the BS that all the royal princes are dishing her, until she meets the adventurous 'street rat' and falls in love.
The others are sweet and so 'olde'-fashioned, and she doesn't have much interest in them, but she's seen the movies. Right now her favorites are Emperor's New Groove, Monsters Inc., and Fern Gully. Oh yes, and whenever I ask her to be brave, I say "Who are you strong like?" Her reply, since age 2? "BUFFY!"
I'm cool with that.
Willowy | June 21, 20:45 CET
However, most of the witches I personally know I'd never throw a bucket of water on. Good folks, they. Just sayin'.
PS I believe Barbie will be the fall of Western Civilization. Mark my words. ;)
NYPinTA | June 21, 21:44 CET
I took a pic of it (apologies for the quality).
And there's also The Simpsons. Buffy and Homer, that pretty much sums up my DVD collection.
randomfire | June 22, 13:15 CET
catherine | June 22, 14:10 CET
I was, however, in love with the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I had all of the action figures, all of the accessories, and even a RC Turtlemobile and the Technodrome. I hated dolls, but I loved action figures.
I grew up watching and loving Disney movies, James Bond movies, the Turtles live action movies, and Animal House. I will say that BtVS the movie gave me a nightmare when I was 4. But I grew up just fine, regardless of what I watched. From this experience, I figure that kids will enjoy things on their level, and that which they cannot understand will just zoom over their heads anyway. I'm not a huge believer in "sheltering" children from movies.
My (nonexistent at this point) children will probably be watching Buffy at a very young age. Firefly will probably be around ages 8-10, as I do think it might be a bit much for really little kids.
Oh yes, and whenever I ask her to be brave, I say "Who are you strong like?" Her reply, since age 2? "BUFFY!"
Willowy, wanna adopt me? You seriously rock.
BandofBuggered | June 22, 15:28 CET
Serenity Tales | June 22, 15:40 CET
Me too. But I mostly see Maleficent and the Queen from Snow White as models of how not to manage projects. Ursula on the other hand was awesome. Wasn't there once a big book of Disney villains? I remember it as being particularly awesome.
Sunfire | June 22, 15:46 CET