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August 07 2008

Eliza on Kimmel Live! On the 6th of August Eliza appeared on Jimmy Kimmel Live and spoke about Dollhouse as well as her new movie "Bottle Shock". The video is now online!

Did Jimmy say "Josh Whedon"?
ETA: "I shot a deer on Christmas" should be a song. I should write it, shouldn't I?

[ edited by GreatMuppetyOdin on 2008-08-07 17:46 ]
Yes, yes he did.
Thanks much for the link! Is also on ABC site (at 19:10).
That was nice. Eliza looked something fierce shooting that bow. She seems like such fun. Can't wait for Dollhouse!
Eliza in leather pants! I just love her.
Leather pants, and a bow and arrow. Incredible combination!
It's also great she got to talk about "Dollhouse" and her new movie. I will certainly try to catch both.
There was a review (not a glowing one) in the Philadelphia Inquirer about this movie; ELiza is apparently so far down in the credits she wasn't listed in the cast under this review.
She is just the cutest thing! I'm happy to see her in leather pants again.
Anyone else have flashback of Angel getting shot by a poison arrow?
*sigh* love that Eliza
Eliza shooting the bow and arrow...yowza.
nmchgehee, definitely. Especially with that look.
Besides her amazingness with the bow and arrow and the return of the leather pants, I'm really excited she's riding a ducati and not a harley!
First Eliza goes on an environmentalist consciousness-raising trip to Brazil.

Now she impales deer.

Interesting.
I don't find it very odd, Jim Austin. Most hunters that I know are pretty big conservationists.
I don't find it odd either, and while I understand people finding hunting personally distasteful... if you eat meat (especially factory farmed meat, there are worse things than being shot and eaten by a hunter), rules regarding glass houses may apply. So let's not get carried away into rhetoric land on this particular topic.
I hear glass houses are really good for focusing the energy of the sun into a central point for the purposes of cooking meat.
Done in one, b!X. We should probably just shut down this thread, 'cause you just won!
Heck, ran to the airport to get my wife (Yay! Have not seen her for a week!) and came back to find the other Eliza thread gone- must have gotten a bit tense over there. I know I was...
See, if you'd driven you might've got back in time ;-).
Missed the (I guess appropriate) carnage on the other Eliza-is-a-huntress thread. Wouldn't be my choice (& I'm pretty sure you don't have to experience everything your partner has done or otherwise many of us have got some funky stuff to catch up on) but until the day - creeping ever closer - that I skip eating meat altogether I will keep my mouth shut on that.

Well, even after I go vegan again, 'cause wtf? I haven't been asked to rule the world yet, although I do have hopes.

Crazy, crazy hopes...
See, if you'd driven you might've got back in time ;-).


Ha! That works as a back to the future joke as well as a play on language. Watch your back, b!X ;).

QG - I have to tell you that post made me grin :). Yes, the carnage in the other thread got it shut down.
Sure, laugh at the crazy lady.
I wasn't laughing, I was grinning politely ;) Actually, just cause the post made me smile. (alternately, see also "sitting on bus as crazy lady walks closer to empty seat beside you" or "River talking to Book")
Well, even after I go vegan again, 'cause wtf? I haven't been asked to rule the world yet, although I do have hopes.


Quotergal would you rule the world please?

Hee hee, carnage in a thread about hunting, hee hee... kind of.
:) Indeed. I was actually vegetarian for many years (most of them the teenaged ones).
Count me among the former-vegetarians who think that from an animal-rights perspective, hunting is far preferable to purchasing meat from a supermarket. A deer in the woods has a far better fighting chance than a cow, pig or chicken living in an industrialized feedlot.

ETA: Welcome to The Meatrix for the benefit of those who do not know where their food really comes from.

[ edited by
BrewBunny on 2008-08-08 19:46 ]
And venison? Awesome! Yum yum yum!
I personally prefer microwaved babies.
Ew. Microwaved.
I know, right ? You lose all the goodness when you microwave. Roasting is the only way to go.

That works as a back to the future joke as well as a play on language.

I totally meant that. Totally. Ahem.

*goes back in time to tell my young(er) self to totally mean it*
Eep! But think about it Saje! How freaked out is your younger self going to be when your older self appears suddenly, with a haunted look in his eyes that comes from hard experience, and tries to explain, "that joke you're making, it works on so many levels, see...." I just don't think it's really worth the trauma you're going to be inflicting on yourself and in fact that very trauma might explain the haunted look in the eyes of your future self... Saje?

Shoot, he's already gone. Oh well. The joke does seem a little funnier, now that he actually meant it.
What is red, bubbly, and scratches at the window before exploding?

A baby in a microwave.
See, that's not a problem with roasting. Similarly, a roasted baby can still turn around in corridors (whether it's six months later or otherwise) and is completely different (in numerous ways) to a truck full of bowling balls.

How freaked out is your younger self going to be when your older self appears suddenly ...

First thing I asked myself, "Why didn't you come back with any sports results ?". Turns out my young(er) self was a bit venal - kids eh, whaddya do ?

Still, in some ways I do regret not now being a multi-millionaire.
Yes, that was the BEST joke ever told! *holds up plaque*

And it references my childhood crushes, Doc Brown! (& MJF) :)

Saje, while you're in the past, could you tell yourself to beat me to the punch at my own gross reference. Something along the lines of "succulant, roasted babies...* should work nicely. Maybe add a couple of spices, like cumin, pepper, and that pumpkin spice, slice up some tropical fruit... good. Very good.

Microwaves are less work. And quicker to do. I think of that every time I heat up some meat.

Of course, I don't really appreciate what I'm eating. Maybe if I was surrounded by nature, hunting and cooking for myself, and truly valued the ceremony of ingesting the beast's soul as we mingled our spirits and grew from that experience, I could be on a path that led somewhere other than where I'm heading right now. Man, is it hot in here or is it just me?

Mmmm... Sun Chips are good.

I'm sorry, but this reminds me of the Tiny Toons cartoon where everyone bans meat from the cafeteria, and all of the children are happy because they're not eating living things. But at the end, a broccoli is begging for its life. *chuckles*

ADD ON: BrewBunny, what's worse than 10 babies in a jar?

1 baby in 10 jars. *ha!*
How do you get 100 babies into a bucket?
With a blender.

How do you get them out again?
With Doritos.

[ edited by BrewBunny on 2008-08-08 20:45 ]
You guys are just plain sick.

I love it.
Okay, lets veer back towards the actual topic, please.
Eliza's leather pants? *veers and misses*
Ya know, PETA didn't even mention the leather pants. They're slipping.
BrewBunny, I get the first one, and the second one I laughed at too, but question...

Were the babies led out with the lure of Doritos?
Or, were they processed into the new Doritos flavor? Something like Spicy-Sweet? just curious...

Oh, real thread-like question:

Regarding meat, is it considered "bad" to hunt & eat for those who are following their culture? What about the Native Americans? Are they cursed to eat bean curd & tofu like the rest of us slackers? I was just wondering what PETA's mandate is of human animals. And what about that link that said PETA euthanizes animals? Is it true?

Would the world be a better place if everyone got out their clippers and "fixed" the deer, elk, rabbits, & mice? We'd maintain a balance and there'd be no reason to eat them. But they're so scrumptous!

ETA: One more question about PETA- do their efforts only include the "furry" ones, or are they also defending those poor snakes that get rounded up and fried at rattlesnake roundups?

[ edited by korkster on 2008-08-08 21:02 ]

[ edited by korkster on 2008-08-08 21:03 ]
You know, sure putting Dollhouse on in January means no pre-empting it for baseball and we can see more episodes without interruptions form week to week (hopefully) but I really don't feel like waiting until January anymore.

PS I'm ok with Quoter Gal ruling the world. So, I second the motion.
Yes, PETA does euthanize an overwhelming number of the animals that end up in its care. You can google for specifics, Yahoo! Answers has two different sides of that story, but both support the claim that 90+% are euthanized. Penn & Teller had an interesting segment on PETA on their show Bullshit! a few years back. Enough with the dead babies shtick.
Did anyone see Bottle Shock? Was it alright? I want to show support, but we don't have any of those "artsy" theaters here. I don't want to wait anymore either, NYPinTA, but I want it to be right. When Joss is happy, I'm happy.

PS- I'm not okay with QuoterGal ruling. She'd take away my fun.

Sorry, zeitgeist. I don't know why that topic was so much fun for me today. Maybe it was my tea. Usually don't have "Constant Comment" orange-spice stuff, but I had 3 doses. Looks like it puts me in touch with a different part of myself. Which is relatable, right? I mean, Eliza loves Dollhouse because it allows her the freedom to look at the various aspects of her character. We all should do that. I guess I'm just getting a head start. ;)
QuoterGal can rule the world as long as I'm pulling her strings.
If I ruled the word, every man would be as free as a bird, and every voice would be a voice to be heard, etc, etc.

Benevolence in all things despotic, bread and circuses, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria - these are just a few of my election promises.
Note to self: When playing at Whedonesque, dead, decomposing, and masturbating comedians are OK, but dead baby Dorito dip is just too much.
I like where you're going with that, QG, not least of which a Ghostbusters reference.

korkster - Constant Comment is good stuff! Google Neil Gaiman and baby flesh ;)
Wait, how did we get to QG ruling the world? I'm pretty sure I put in my claim to being dictator some time back.
Oh, I'm not saying she can rule the world (and really, its all about what I think ;)). And, just between you and me, I think Nebula1400 has some ulterior motives.
zeitgeist, if you were a superhero, I'd name you "Reference Man!" in that cool, closed-captioned echo-y radio voice.

Thanks for the reference, z! I learned a lot today. Maybe I should close that chapter in my book for now... >). It reminds me that nothing is ever "new" anymore. Luckily, I live under a rock so Joss appears (to me) to be the Big Shiny.

And, after QuoterGal's rather convincing mantra, I wouldn't mind being ruled by her.
Ooh, closed-captioned, echo-y radio voice, that sounds promising.
Of course, Penn and Teller also had a show on my profession- chiropractic- that was so horribly done that I felt that the show had the right name after all. And I hate PETA in saying that.

And crud, wife not on plane- which was cancelled, and she could not call me because her cell phone had no charge- she forgot the charger- and mine was not on anyway. So, tomorrow it is. Sigh. Plus, I think this means I will miss Shiai's wedding party in Chicago, where I had hoped to personally meet him finally. Sigh.
zeitgeist: my only wish is for everyone to live in peace and harmony. It would be QuoterGal handing out guns clover blossoms to Bambi and Thumper.

In the meantime, let's talk about Dollhouse.
Well, being at Palmer you would have to admit to a bias as well as an intimate level knowledge of the subject :). Their main beef (as I recall, I may need to rewatch) was the oversell of benefits associated with it, which I agree with. That and people performing "adjustments" on infants. You gotta admit, that's not cool.
And you would have a cape (possibly blue) and it would billow any time someone shouted out "Reference Man!". When you'd arrive at the scene, the annonymous voice-over would announce you in that CCER voice. :)

When I think about it, it's going to be hard to distinguish when Echo remembers herself as Echo or as her real self (aka- before contract) from the person she'd currently be playing. I wonder if there'll be a trick in the wardrobe, or a look that Eliza will give so we can analyze. I don't think so, though. That would be cheating.

I was thinking about it the other day and thought it would be a cool episode if she was contracted out to play the person she was before her Dollhouse contract. And then it'd be over, she'd return to the Dollhouse, never knowing that that was her life. It'd be even cooler if the audience didn't know until a season or two later. Talk about mind-trippy.
Wait, how did we get to QG ruling the world? I'm pretty sure I put in my claim to being dictator some time back.

Yeah, but she knows your weakness. Coup d'elolcats. Sorry. Gotta go with the gal with the power.

korkster, you are totally freaking me out.
Oh, if I'm being defeated through my distaste for sheer stupidity, then yeah I have no way to win.
korkster, you are totally freaking me out.

Which part, NYPinTA, the "Reference Man!" fun or the actual thread-ish with Eliza playing a person that may/may not know who she is and may encounter her life and not even recognize it?

I opt for the second, because it's jucier and it won't get me into trouble. again. :) I mean, think about it. Overboard claimed that with a familiar environment, you could remember who you were (claim your soul in that context). But, and I forget the name of it, the show with Christina Applegate where she forgets who she is... she is in a familiar environment, but doesn't remember herself. Or perhaps she chooses not to, since now she has the choice to un-do her *mistakes*. By not remembering her context, she's essentially a different person.

If this occurred to Echo (which we all know is her Dollhouse-name, not her actual) and she was immersed into the environment she was in previous to the Dollhouse, and programmed to be "herself", would that last only until the mission is finished? When she goes back to the Dollhouse, and is wiped, is she still that person (who she actually was) or is she now Echo, who remembers different experiences and has been shaped differently due to her different environment?

If Echo does decide that she wants to be "X" again, have her real-life back (without knowing what that would entail), what becomes of the Echo we love and know? Will she no longer exist? Is it actually better for her to remain "Echo" instead of "X"?

I think that missed-opportunity episode would be a lot of fun. Sliders did it once. They actually arrived back at their own dimension, and Jerry went to test the gate as *proof* that they were home. The gate was supposed to squeak, but it didn't, so they left. After the portal closed, his mother came out with the repair man; he had *fixed* the gate so it wouldn't squeak anymore. Shocker to me, but it happened immediately. From a Joss show, if he did this I would expect him to do a show that seemed normal, but to us hard-core fans, we would FREAK OUT because we would finally realize (years later, mind you) who Echo used to be.

Can you tell I'm excited?
Yes, korkster, you do strike me as pretty excited. So excited actually that I'm worried you'll be tinkling on the carpet from bouncing up and down so much.

Maybe we can make a new poll for it.
Not necessary, BrewBunny. I'm just trying to stay on topic here. No one's seen Bottle Shock, babies are out, QuoterGal's ruling the world, and Eliza has her leather pants.

The problem is that the people who would be interested in discussing the "what if"s of Dollhouse, and the interpretation of the soul are probably asleep. Damn you, sleepers!

Tinkling on the carpet wouldn't be a good idea, BTW. I'm still at work. How dare you call me excited! :) This coming from the person who likes dead baby Dorito dip. ;)
korkster, but if it turned out to happen, you'd have just spoiled all of us. ;)

And I'd like to avoid a poll about korkster tinkling on the carpet. You'd be soiling this nice thread.
::Wakes up and rubs sleepy eyes::

Soul discussion? Where?! Did my love just call for me? Angel/Spike "what is a soul?" arguments?! Here I come!

Oh, crap. It was just Satsu and her lipgloss that woke me up.

::Sees Bambi and Thumper surrounding her.::

::Ditches Satsu and goes off on the magnificent steed... err... Dawn... or possibly Puff/Elliot... to the fairy tale Hyperion Hotel with the Billowy Coat, King of Pain.::

As for PETA... I just love big, fat, juicy, medium-rare filet mignon wrapped in lots and lots of crispy bacon while wearing hot black leather and my furry scarf. ;)

Angel and Spike can have the blood and I'll eat the bacon. I exercise my right to use my omnivore-designed teeth.

Eliza, eat your heart out. It's your freedom of choice.

Not everybody gets off on facon, furkey and chunks of tofu. Don't even get me started on rabbit food... I mean, "salad".

[ edited by NileQT87 on 2008-08-09 01:45 ]
bix, it's not your, "distaste for sheer stupidity" that is the problem. It's that she knows your distaste for it and can use it effectively as a weapon that gives her the advantage.
Although if you find her weakness and can exploit it more effectively... I'm open to switch allegiances... um, again.
Ah, yes, noticed the other thread being gone as well. Confused the hell out of me for a moment, though, when I couldn't find it after I'd been gone, oh, two hours or so. Must've gotten bad pretty fast (I do kinda regret the 40 minutes I spent typing a post on there now, though ;))

Also: this thread is disturbingly funny. That will be all for today. Must sleep :).
Oh wow. I so wish I hadn't clicked on this thread.
I saw Step Brothers last night (horrible, horrible movie; go see Pineapple Express instead), and they had the trailer for Bottle Shock beforehand. At least judging from this trailer, Eliza doesn't have much of a role in it, but it looked like it might be decent.
Well this thread is disappearing over the horizon, so it probably won't be deleted, and it doesn't seem to have gone quite as judgmental as the deleted thread. I don't think it is right to be all judge-y about Eliza doing things that millions of other people do, I would rather wonder why on earth UnpluggedCrazy went to see 'Step Brothers' ... eewwww.
I don't think it is right to be all judge-y about Eliza doing things that millions of other people do, I would rather wonder why on earth UnpluggedCrazy went to see 'Step Brothers' ... eewwww.

Heh, and another super-ironic zinger from the 'esque ;).
Come one, come all! Judge me! For I am...THE UNJUDGEABLE! I will take you down with one bang of my gavel, Judge Judy.

Aaaanyway...

I saw Step Brothers because I had a free ticket that was going to expire yesterday, and since there was shit-all playing, I felt more like taking a chance on Will Ferrell and John C. Reilly than I did on Mamma Mia!. I really should've seen Mamma Mia!. I mean, I actually like ABBA and I love Amanda Seyfried, so...it would've sucked, but it would been way better than Step Brothers.

[ edited by UnpluggedCrazy on 2008-08-10 01:28 ]
What's all this about QG ruling the world?!? I thought she said "If I ruled the word..." which I think makes a lot more sense for our quote lady. ;)
Well, whether she's ruling the world or the word - or both - I'll stand behind her, possibly far behind her, maybe even another country behind her, but I'll be behind her. *nods*
UpC, why didn't you just go see Dark Knight again? Like I did tonight with my son.

I can't stop thinking about Ledger's Joker. How can someone be so utterly repugnant and still, you find yourself rooting for him? Great acting. Brill characterization, and much geek love for the intensity and the artistry/skill.

I've walked around going "Hi" (head tilt) at my son for three days now. He dies laughing every time, but I just wonder why it's so... there in my head.

Sorry to hijack. QG rules everything beginning with W! Except for Whedonesque... I'm pretty sure that's Caroline's. ;)
Don't get me wrong, The Dark Knight is brilliant. Heath Ledger gives one of the greatest performances I've ever seen, and I too haven't been able to get it out of my head. Once the movie hits DVD, I will watch it many times. But I saw it three times in four days after it came out (even once in San Diego, which is on the opposite side of the country from where I live), and since it's two-and-a-half hours, I wouldn't have even had the time to see it again. I can't drive--one of very few flaws ;-)--so someone was going to pick me up, and they had to go to work, and since Step Brothers was over comfortably before they had to be at work...

And I really like John C. Reilly. I can't fathom why he's taken this sophomoric turn, though. I mean, I'm glad he's having fun and all, but...what happened to Mr. Cellophane?

[ edited by UnpluggedCrazy on 2008-08-10 11:29 ]
Yes, the carnage in the other thread got it shut down.
zeitgeist | August 08, 18:44 CET

I was off-line for a day or so, so I'm not sure how bad the "carnage" got. But I have to comment on the unfairness of removing all the anti-hunting,anti-animal cruelty, pro animal rights/Peta/vegan/vegetarian comments while allowing the opposing viewpoints to remain represented .......

Most hunters that I know are pretty big conservationists.

I hear glass houses are really good for focusing the energy of the sun into a central point for the purposes of cooking meat.

And venison? Awesome! Yum yum yum!

Regarding meat, is it considered "bad" to hunt & eat for those who are following their culture? What about the Native Americans? Are they cursed to eat bean curd & tofu like the rest of us slackers?

As for PETA... I just love big, fat, juicy, medium-rare filet mignon wrapped in lots and lots of crispy bacon while wearing hot black leather and my furry scarf. ;)

Note to self: When playing at Whedonesque, dead, decomposing, and masturbating comedians are OK, but dead baby Dorito dip is just too much.
And apparently, comments about anti-hunting, pro-animal rights points of view are also "just too much", even in context, on topic and as general statements, (not bashing Eliza, something I saw none of at around a hundred comments).

I'm aware that the mods have absolute power to remove and let stand whatever they choose, including deleting this post.
Just saying that I'm inexpressibly disappointed at how unfairly this was handled.
I don't think mods delete single posts, but fyi:

The admins' word is law. Board rules, policy and implementation will not be discussed on site. Please do not argue with the admins. If you have complaints, e-mail us.

"I remember it differently."

Shey, although I know our discussion on the site about mod'ing itself should be fairly limited, I have to say that your "unfair" scenario is really not how things happened.

Anyone was free in this thread - the one that didn't get removed - to say pro or con about their reaction to Eliza's hunting. I understand that the other thread was removed as a whole - with both pro-meat-eating and con-meat-eating statements - because it devolved to insults about intelligence and the like, and not because it was pro-PETA. The remarks you've quoted above from this thread - while I can see how vegetarians might not like them - are not "playing the man" nor attacking particular posters.

As a PETA-supporter myself, I felt free to post whatever I wanted in this thread, as long as I didn't attack anyone specifically.

Anyone else, correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how I saw it all unfold...

[ edited by QuoterGal on 2008-08-11 19:03 ]
The other thread in its entirety was removed as the pro-hunting and anti-hunting sides both got way out of hand. This thread here stands in its entirety as it was and as QG says anyone is free to say whatever they would like as long as they aren't resorting to personal attacks.
The other thread in its entirety was removed as the pro-hunting and anti-hunting sides both got way out of hand. This thread here stands in its entirety as it was and as QG says anyone is free to say whatever they would like as long as they aren't resorting to personal attacks.
zeitgeist | August 11, 19:23 CET

I stand corrected. As I said, I was off-line for a day or so, I didn't realize that the other thread was removed in it's entirety and this was a new thread.

So QuoterGal, you were probably around to watch the apparent carnage unfold, after I was gone. (Damn, I miss all the brawls) ;-)
You do (miss all of the brawls that is) :) Grab a case of Jolt cola, strap yourself to your computer chair and get on some boxing gloves!
Well, I managed to de-rail this thread only for a wee bit, and no one jumped on my "soul" discussion. You'll all be sorry! For what? Eh, probably reading this post. ;) *shakes fist* I will avenge! (Again, not sure what to "avenge" for, but I'm feeling aveng-y. Oh! I know! I'll finally dissect Dr. Horrible's songs and spill my thoughts on Dr. H Act 3 that the mods took away from the side-bar where no one will read it. Like this post.) :)
I should have said something sooner, but tonight they repeated the episode that she was in just now. Yes, and she is made of awesome.

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