Whedonesque : Comments on 17280 : Serenity sequel "not happening" says Joss.

So....what Joss is saying is...THERE IS GOING TO BE A SEQUEL!!!!.......wait, aw crap. ;) I'll just continue to support Joss and all the actors he has worked with over the years. In other words, i'm looking forward to Dollhouse, Cabin in the Woods, Castle, etc.... :)

nakedandarticulate | August 13, 22:01 CET

If he persists with squashing our hope, we're going to have to begin being honest about his odd forehead.

Trade off, Whedon?

Arsenal | August 13, 22:06 CET

Oooo, I totally see the yesiness in that comment! ;D

cabri | August 13, 22:08 CET

Some ~~very questionable~~ judicious editing will fix this!

“There’s been [...] movement,[...] and I don’t think they’re going to stop, no matter how many times I say, [n]o, [b]ecause somebody will say, [...] yes.[...] Because people want it.”

All better.

kishi | August 13, 22:16 CET

But we need the sequel to explain how Serenity shot down two Reaver ships in the latest comic when it has no weapons.

The One True b!X | August 13, 22:23 CET

So let us understand this: Joss wants to do it, and the actors all want to do it, but the studio doesn't want to do it... yet. Sounds to me like I don't have to give up the dream, all we need is for the studio to see some profit in doing it: like if Summer and/or Nathan become huge mega stars who could be seen a big box office draws! Personally I see no reason to give up all hope, Star Trek didn't get it's first movie until almost 20 years after it was cancelled, we are already ahead of that time table.

And note to Bix: I don't believe that Serenity shot down any ships, they just set up a situation where the Alliance would fire on the Reavers and the Reavers would fire on the Alliance (so ships did get shot down).

embers | August 13, 22:40 CET

Erm.

ETA more explicitly: I said in the latest comic, not in the movie. (Does anyone actually think I didn't understand what happened in the end of the movie? Heh.)

[ edited by theonetruebix on 2008-08-13 22:52 ]

The One True b!X | August 13, 22:44 CET

Isn't there like any Browncoat out there that's just like filthy rich and is just dying to figure out how to spend that money? I mean, really?

Djungelurban | August 13, 22:49 CET

Isn't there like any Browncoat out there that's just like filthy rich and is just dying to figure out how to spend that money? I mean, really?

Anybody know Bill Gates' address? Or some other gazillionaires we could get hooked? Send them each a set of Firefly and Serenity. I'd donate a set for the cause. 'Cause so far I haven't won any lotteries.

Amrita | August 13, 22:59 CET

Why DON'T we bankroll it? You gotta believe there's over 300,000 Browncoats worldwide. We're a movement. Quick, everyone in the 'Verse send Joss $150 and we'll get this thing going.

madmolly | August 13, 23:05 CET

Why DON'T we bankroll it?

Unfortunately I think the fall out from the Save Enterprise campaign has killed off such fan efforts for the forseeable future.

Simon | August 13, 23:13 CET

Also (to name but one issue among probably hundreds) there'd need to be very clear and legally-binding contracts drawn up for every single fan donating money stating that they won't attempt to exert any creative control over the endeavor. On the scale of a major motion picture, trying to do it as "hey guys let's put on a show" is just asking for nothing but trouble and headaches.

The One True b!X | August 13, 23:16 CET

I assume because we'd be overrun with people feeling entitled to yay or nay creative bits... Its generally been thought to be too messy. Though I'm sure there could be something set up such that by donating the $$$ you agree that you forfeit any right to any return as this is not an investment and donors have no creative or legal rights in the resulting product. However, too much potential for a mess so I suspect the closest thing we would ever get is pre-orders or some form of subscription service for ongoing content. Given that that's not ever really worked well in the past either, to my knowledge. Well, here we are :)

ETA - b!X and I occasionally have moments where our brains operate on the same frequency resulting in pairs of posts as above.

zeitgeist | August 13, 23:17 CET

Isn't this basically the same thing we have been hearing for, oh, the past year or so? Joss and the actors are up for it, studio isn't, nobody is moving on it, etcetera? Wasn't everyone else pretty much assuming any rumors were unfounded? :)

I'd say there's still a tiiiiny slimer of hope that this'll ever happen. But I won't start believing/hoping it'll happen, until our Big Dude Of The Most Awesome Purple[tm] (no? Too much?) lets us know (possibly even right here on the black).

GVH | August 13, 23:22 CET

Isn't this basically the same thing we have been hearing for, oh, the past year or so?

Yes. In fact, Joss has actually used the "nobody's knocking on our door" line at least once in the past.

The One True b!X | August 13, 23:25 CET

The troops need to be rallied. People buy and buy yet it seems to send no message to anyone. There's gotta be something to be done. There has to be a sequel before Nathan is too old to take a punch.

sportforredneck | August 13, 23:33 CET

sportforredneck, that was sarcasm. Right?

TamaraC | August 13, 23:41 CET

*pours out sake*

Onward, Dollhouse and mushortios. And comics! I await that scary preacher man's history.

Sunfire | August 13, 23:43 CET

You know, I'm going to get mocked, virtually slapped and gagged but I don't want a sequel. If it happens, I'll be happy. I think the ending of Serenity was ultimately a satisfying conclusion which I am happy with. :)

crazygolfa | August 13, 23:45 CET

Has there even been a show by Whedon with Nathan where he doesn't get punched in the face?

sportforredneck | August 13, 23:47 CET

Bill Gates is not the person we need to recruit as a Browncoat. Jeffery Imelt, the CEO of General Electric... now that's the guy we need. After all, GE owns a certain Movie/Television Corporation called NBC/Universal. Someone else will need to write him, however. Mr. Imelt and I aren't on speaking terms at the moment. GE has decided to Close the Factory I work at by the end of next year.

It's really frustrating that The PTB can't seem to see the popularity of the 'Verse. Thanks to the TV exposure that Firefly has had on Uni HD and Sci Fi Channel, and more specifically the Airings of Serenity on Premium Cable Channels, a LOT of people love the BDM and BDSeries. I've mentioned my pet theory before: The PTB haven't got the patience for a Franchise that makes a bunch of money... but slowly. I really think that's what's holding things up. SereniFly is an incredible Money Maker, but it's long-term as opposed to Instant Greedification.

I'm not giving up, but neither am I holding my breath. :)

TDBrown | August 13, 23:52 CET

Has there even been a show by Whedon with Nathan where he doesn't get punched in the face?

We just watched one on the Internet recently.

The One True b!X | August 13, 23:53 CET

He got knocked down pretty hard with an exploding deathray, though. And that's the only depiction of pain I've ever seen him do that wasn't utterly convincing. But I think he was meant to be a giant wuss experiencing pain for the first time ever. 150% cheese. ;)

The moment where he was going to kill Dr. Horrible, that was chilling though.

Sunfire | August 13, 23:56 CET

While I am with everyone with the group love of Serenity and a sequel would be the shiniest thing ever, could it ever be done on a smaller budget? I mean, had Serenity only cost twenty million dollars, a profit would have been made. Could a sequel be made on less, I wonder? Hasn't Kevin Smith gone on and on about how if the parent company makes even just one dollar, then a follow up is possible? (And, on a side note, Kevin Smith has made movies on obscenely small budgets - could Joss not pitch to someone *cough, cough, Mary Parent* about how it doesn't matter how much money there is, what matters is the story?)

Genia | August 14, 00:05 CET

Well, it's space, it's not two guys talking bollocks outside a Circle K, so I guess a certain budget is necessary. Maybe Joss doesn't want to slash the budget and compromise what he can present on screen just for the sake of doing it to keep us happy ?

He got knocked down pretty hard with an exploding deathray, though.

Yeah but that was an exploding death-ray to the face, not a punch. Totally different kettle of face-rays.

So, basically, to paraphrase Joss: "Stop fucking asking me about a sequel !!" Hey everyone, look at the new news, same as the old news. In short, if you had hope before, don't give up hope. For everyone else, as you were. Which is pretty much "as you were" no-matter how you cut it.

Saje | August 14, 00:09 CET

As usual, WSS.

Numfar PTB | August 14, 00:16 CET

There was a yes-iness about him.

Niiiice. Consider phrase snagged. *yoink*

Do you want another “Serenity”? If you had $50 million, would you bankroll it? Why or why not?

Oh god, please why are you encouraging them? *remembers Firefly Season 2 and cringes*

electricspacegirl | August 14, 00:18 CET

"Paging Mr. Underhill. Mr. Ace Underhill."

The One True b!X | August 14, 00:30 CET

Why, has your dolphin been kidnapped ?

It's still the wrong Ace, isn't it ?

Saje | August 14, 00:32 CET

What Joss is saying is the same thing he's been saying for a long time. If a studio would invest in the project he'd do it in a heartbeat, so would the actors and crew... but right now there is no money.

I say post to that MTV site and maybe if it blows up enough (Horrible Style) MTV will supply that money and make itself a name again. (One that's not the punchline of a joke that is.) I use to love MTV back in the day. I'd love for them to save the money from Real World vs Road Rulez 97 and make something worthy like Serenity 2. *Go Ahead... Bash Away*

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Cordrone | August 14, 01:36 CET

What? There's going to be another Serenity?

I joke! Sort of.

I think Joss will be cursed with this question for the rest of his natural life. Any new project he puts out will immediately be followed by "considering the huge success of your new project, is there any chance there might be a Serenity sequel?".

Good one, Joss! (I would say WSS, but that's so passe. Instead let's go with hope= totally "pos", as they say in Buffy 1.1). :)

korkster | August 14, 01:37 CET

I say post to that MTV site and maybe if it blows up enough MTV will supply that money

... Seriously?

The One True b!X | August 14, 01:37 CET

I say post to that MTV site and maybe if it blows up enough MTV will supply that money

... Seriously?

Wow, I have no words...

electricspacegirl | August 14, 01:49 CET

Movies aren't made from fairy dust and hopes and dreams, as most of us know...it requires real money, real people, and a lot more than just a bunch of people on the Internet generating "buzz" for something. As much as we might like to think Dr. Horrible is a smash hit, it's only on the Internet, and it's nowhere on the same scale as even one episode of a television show (which can run into millions of dollars), and especially a movie.

So sorry to say, but just because it's on the Internet, doesn't mean it's going to happen. Not trying to be mean, Cordrone, but it's reality. Hope won't translate into millions of dollars.

YellowBear | August 14, 02:15 CET

Keep the faith, Cordrone. I want my ~~MTV~~ Serenity.

Succatash | August 14, 02:27 CET

CaffeinatedSquint | August 14, 02:15 CET

Hope won't translate into millions of dollars. "

That is right. You have to buy them thar lottery tickets.

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Anonymous1 | August 14, 02:36 CET

If by "faith" we mean ignoring reality. ;)

The One True b!X | August 14, 02:37 CET

I actually don't want another movie. I want six more seasons. I have this FANTASY that Steven King (I'm from Maine) finances season two (pre-serenity). I want my whole gang back. Ah well. I would also like to win the lottery.

WomanWhoWeaves | August 14, 02:45 CET

If any Doctor Horrible songs are played on VH1 or MTV, will Mutant Enemy Productions get money. Or is that just considered something to sell the soundtrack and they don't get any money.

Anonymous1 | August 14, 02:46 CET

theonetrueb!x,

Wasn't there something in the "Those Left Behind" comic about a gun that they were transporting (or stole from someone - been years since I read it, so I'm a bit fuzzy on the details)? And they ended up leaving it behind with Shepherd Book when he stayed at the mining planet? If I remember correctly, this was the gun that Book used to shoot down the Alliance ship in the movie.

So perhaps this is where the gun in the new intercomic came from (although it appears that Book is already gone from the ship, so it doesn't really follow that timeline too well).

I dunno'. Maybe a plausible explanation or maybe just another example of fanwank :)

JossIzBoss | August 14, 02:47 CET

Good, because it’s an “improbable fantasy,” Whedon said. Then again, “so was making ‘Serenity’ [given the cancellation of 'Firefly'], and so is half my career, which is why I never write it off.”

Just like Nathan said "Never say Never!".

How come it is $50 Million for a sequel? Serenity cost $39 million.

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Anonymous1 | August 14, 02:49 CET

So sorry to say, but just because it's on the Internet, doesn't mean it's going to happen. Not trying to be mean, Cordrone, but it's reality. Hope won't translate into millions of dollars.

No worries, I don't think you're trying to be mean at all. You're realistic and honestly so am I. I'm just hopeful as well. I'm not delusional. I know the chances that MTV decides to front money for a second Serenity are WAY small, infinitesimal even! Yet million to one shots do happen. It's a dream to be sure, and while you can't count on dreams happening, it doesn't mean you should stop having them or acting on them. That's just how I am. I know that one in a million dreams do happen to people. I also know that they only ever happen to people who dream in the first place. So I'll take my one in a very large number dream shot over most other people absolute nothing any day of the week.

If it never happens I've not lost much of anything. What? A few mins surfing on the interweb? I was going to do that anyway. However, if my hope and small actions help in even the smallest way to make one of my dreams come true... well... that will be a right fine day.

Cordrone | August 14, 03:32 CET

People try to put us down
Just because we get around
Things they do look awful cold
I hope I fly before I get old

Succatash | August 14, 03:41 CET

I know the chances that MTV decides to front money for a second Serenity are WAY small, infinitesimal even! Yet million to one shots do happen.

Um... Wow, part 2.

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electricspacegirl | August 14, 03:49 CET

Succatash,

That was beautiful.

Anonymous1 | August 14, 04:25 CET

Enough with the serious discussion...
Parsing the Purple Prose, I see two angles:

1)they're not being circulated "by anyone who owns a studio"
Ok, who is leasing a studio with an option to buy?

2)"nobody's knocking on our door"
Doorbell!! They're ringing the doorbell, of course!

Looks like a YES to me - now don't make me stick my fingers in my ears and chant "la la la la"!

Loose Deckplate | August 14, 04:35 CET

Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog might be shown on MTV or VH1 at some time.

Anonymous1 | August 14, 04:36 CET

So... I guess the gist of that article is: Stop Believing, And It'll Come True.

All right!

Braeden Fireheart | August 14, 04:41 CET

With the way they keep milking us with new Firefly/Serenity DVDs, you'd think they would at least be considering going forward with something. I'd be happy with some television movies. I'd be happy with one television movie, until it was over, anyway. Putting a movie on the big screen is expensive, yes. But it didn't cost all that much to make a couple television episodes, did it? Can anyone give me a quote?

Sly | August 14, 05:02 CET

The pilot of Firefly cost around $12 million, I think. Someone, please correct me if I am wrong.

And million to one chance do happen, but they aren't luck. That one millionth person works their ass off and is smarter and better than the other 999,999. It is their sole focus and they let nothing else stand in their way.

Joss had moved on. Mary Parent (the only movie exec who seems to have any confidence in Joss) in no longer at Universal and has a WORLD of problems of her own at a very financially troubled MGM.

Someone above asked about why $50M. Because the $39M is not really the full amount since it does not include marketing. $50M is a much more realistic number for how much Serenity actually cost.

Someone else said that a studio would think of making a sequel as soon as the previous movie made one dollar profit. That is complete and utter BS. No studio would invest millions of dollars into something that should make a tiny profit eventually over the chance to make something that would make a large profit soon. No studio. Ever. It is simply a ridiculous and stupid idea.

TamaraC | August 14, 05:12 CET

But tell us what you really think about it ;)

catherine | August 14, 05:29 CET

"And million to one chance do happen, but they aren't luck. That one millionth person works their ass off and is smarter and better than the other 999,999. It is their sole focus and they let nothing else stand in their way."

Except that there are too many bad decisions, bad movies, and black lists, too much favoritism, nepotism, bribery, extortion - god, you name it - in Hollywood for that to be true.

Succatash | August 14, 05:58 CET

Succatash, of course that stuff occurs (in every industry and every place not just Hollywood). My main point was that Serenity 2 is not Joss' focus. It isn't even close. He has moved on and it won't happen without it being his main focus because it is ridiculously unlikely/impossible in the first place.

catherine, I rarely do anything else and have a healthy dose of disrespect for folk who don't.

TamaraC | August 14, 06:03 CET

Well, speaking one's mind is a virtue - except for when it isn't. I respect folk who can size up a situation and speak accordingly. And let's also bear in mind that saying what you think can be accomplished in myriad ways, not all of which involve a rolled-up newspaper or a sharp stick.

SoddingNancyTribe | August 14, 06:13 CET

What about a sharp stick inside a rolled up newspaper? Or perhaps pie.

The One True b!X | August 14, 06:17 CET

Joss

you can shoot in my basement for free..

Litwal | August 14, 06:25 CET

Why DON'T we bankroll it?

I got 5 on it

Butler | August 14, 06:40 CET

Joss

you can shoot in my basement for free..

FTW!

electricspacegirl | August 14, 06:41 CET

No sticks or newspapers involved, SNT. :) Just speaking truth that a few have no interest in hearing. Actually I don't think they hear it no matter how it is phrased.

TamaraC | August 14, 06:46 CET

It's not going to happen. It sucks, but I've made peace with it. We've got Buffy S8, Angel: After the Fall, Spike: After the Fall, Dollhouse, Cabin in the Woods, occasional Serenity comics, the far more likely possibility of a Dr. Horrible sequel; all of that's going on. It's a pretty gorram good time to be a Joss devotee.

Joss

you can shoot in my basement for free..
Litwal | August 14, 06:25 CET

Oh my God, do you have Sean Maher too?!?!?!?!?

UnpluggedCrazy | August 14, 07:51 CET

I have a story. I was in LA recently (staying near the Museum of Death - you scary, scary Hollywood people) and went and had drinks with quite a few people. Including Firefly peeps.

During that particular evening, I was talking about 'wouldn't it be nice to make a Firefly DVD project?'. Because, you know, that would be nice, wouldn't it? To my surprise, somebody turned around and said straight away "I wouldn't do that". I was blown away. I hadn't even thought about that being a problem. Sometimes, reality stinks.

Then something funny happened. We started talking about 'What if...'. We tossed around plot ideas. We mused. We thought about what could be. People threw in plot ideas. We were sat talking about Firefly, like people still in love with it. Like people who say they are at peace with it, but.. Well, aren't really. It was a great moment, as that spark was in the eyes of the people around the table. There was some fierce love for that show from the people working on it. And fierce love is, of course, the best kind. Then we all let out a sigh, and ordered another round of drinks.

The Firefly pilot was about $9m, give or take. I've no idea if more will get made - I think it's very unlikely another movie will happen, in truth. There are a few other potential options which occasionally do kick around peoples heads, but the reality is they are just ideas right now.

If Serenity turns out to be the final time we see that cast in those roles: I'm glad we got it. So very glad.

gossi | August 14, 08:17 CET

Well, that's what a great story should do. Leave you hoping, and dreaming, and thinking about infinite possibilities. (Though Shakespeare would surely disagree.)

But that's why we have outlets like fan art, fan fic, conventions and special screenings. Honestly, some fans, with their Annie Wilkes style obsession, totally freak me out. Accept the tale, hell, love the tale, but graciously admit that if Joss says 'no', it's not happening. No matter how many angry or demanding posts you happen to make online. (Yes, even with multiple usernames.)

Repeat after me- "We are not vampires, and Joss is not our supper."

missb | August 14, 08:51 CET

Wait... if we're not vampires, what do I use these fangs for?

GVH | August 14, 09:22 CET

I find they're great for getting into those vacuum sealed sandwich wrappers. Used to use them for tetrapaks but it's all plastic these days *nostalgic sigh*.

Pfft, Shakespeare, what did he know about telling stories ? ... Oh, William Shakespeare ? Yeah, fair 'nuff.

If by "faith" we mean ignoring reality. ;)

Isn't that pretty much the definition ? ;)

Saje | August 14, 09:28 CET

Also (to name but one issue among probably hundreds) there'd need to be very clear and legally-binding contracts drawn up for every single fan donating money stating that they won't attempt to exert any creative control over the endeavor. On the scale of a major motion picture, trying to do it as "hey guys let's put on a show" is just asking for nothing but trouble and headaches.

I don't get this. Why would this be necessary? UK band Marillion have used this very model to finance their last 4 albums. Essentially all it amounts to is preselling the album direct to the fans via their website, before it has even been recorded. Nothing more is promised than a finished album in about a year with swanky special edition packaging.

These special editions are typically sold at around £25, and they've routinely presold 12,000 copies each time, raising the money to record and market the album ( over half a million dollars roughly, way more than we've told dr horrible cost to make). They retain full copyright of their work, which benefits them for the 90,000 copies sold at retail as they get the full royalties, and actually have more creative freedom due to not having a record company to please. There is no fan input in the creation. Plus, less damage from piracy, because the lion's share of the money has been prepaid. They pretty much pioneered this model in 2000 and it's clearly working, what with the 4th pre-sold album due next month.

I'd imagine Joss has a much bigger fan base. How many here would have pre-bought Dr Horrible on nothing more than a promise that it would be made? I know I would have.

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bivith | August 14, 10:00 CET

This may be due to a difference in how copyright law is applied bivith. In the US artists that are employed are usually on a so-called "work-for-hire" basis, which, long story short, basically means they give up authorship (and therefore control over derivative works etc.) in return for longer term financial rewards (residuals etc.).

People might want to make sure that the fans paying for something doesn't end up meaning that Joss is on a work-for-hire for us. Note, BTW, i've no idea if that's in any way a valid fear but obviously, since we wouldn't be dealing with Joss directly (as happens in your Marillion example) but with the owners of the Serenifly characters (Universal or Fox ?) then legal contracts etc. would most assuredly be part of it. And that's why it'll never happen IMO - if it was just us and Joss then maybe but since it'd be us and large company that won't want to expose themselves to possible legal actions etc. then i'd say not.

It's different here in the UK where authorship is usually retained but folk don't get paid as much (a recent example would be the 'Doctor Who' relaunch where it was initially in doubt if the BBC would be able to use The Daleks because they belong to Terry Nation's Estate).

Saje | August 14, 10:19 CET

I hate to be all with the obvious, but why wouldn't Serenity be all Austin Powers-y.

Think about it, when the film came out, how many people did you know who had seen Firefly.. and when it left theatres, how many people did you know who had seen it.. and when it hit DVD, how many really even knew about it.

Flash forward to today. No one in my family had seen it then. Now they all have. Few of my friends had. now they all have.

Slowly but surely, in living rooms, this thing has taken on a life it never had before. A sequel made for the same amount would EASILY surpass the original in box office receipts and, if it were as good.. (and with the jossiness, it would be) would do a killing on DVD.

Just sayin.

Nightshot | August 14, 14:35 CET

catherine, I rarely do anything else and have a healthy dose of disrespect for folk who don't.

TamaraC I hope my "tell us what you really think" didn't sound snotty--I appreciate the stark realism you bring to the room of denial (I appreciate denial too, sometimes)--I was just tickled by the "'nuff bullshit" phrasing.

It does seem pretty obvious that a movie isn't going to happen. Firefly's cancellation was heartbreaking, because I really felt there were years worth of incredible stories packed in there and waiting to unfold, but movies are a different animal and I do think Joss's brand of story-telling is best suited to TV. I'll take Dollhouse over the not-going-to-happen-anyway-Serenity-sequel.

catherine | August 14, 14:48 CET

crazygolfa, I'm on your page. I liked the ending of Serenity (except for Wash's fate...grumble,mumble...) and I've enjoyed the comics that have come out sporadically.

I look at it this way-Joss Whedon is an exceptional storyteller and, as much as I love the stories he's told about Firefly, Buffy, Angel, etc., I'm truly looking forward to the stories in other 'verses that have yet to be told-the ones that are still percolating. As long as I'm getting the goods (and why does that sound dirty somehow?) I'm a happy camper.

Betsy | August 14, 15:08 CET

Not to sidetrack conversation, but someone upthread mentioned that the BDM is still showing on premium cable (it is - I just caught a few minutes on HBO this past Sunday morning). But that gets me wondering -- why hasn't it hit BASIC cable yet? Didn't USA Network buy the rights? Seems like many films that came out around the same time hit basic cable awhile ago -- where's Serenity? Or did I blink and miss it?

MaryQue | August 14, 15:14 CET

You haven't missed it, MaryQue. It hasn't premiered yet, and I don't know when it will.

As for Serenity still being on premium cable, yeah, when I was trying to get to bed last night I watched it literally for a few seconds on HBO. It hurts me every single time that thing is on cable, because if there's something else to be done, I must change the channel. I would not have gotten to sleep last night if I hadn't turned the cable off...

UnpluggedCrazy | August 14, 16:25 CET

MaryQue, the rights were purchased by USA network and should air this year, according to this 3-year old whedonesque post.

Succatash | August 14, 16:45 CET

catherine, I did take your comment the wrong way. Mea Culpa. :)

TamaraC | August 14, 17:21 CET

No worries. Was giggling over the discussion and wrote it too fast too late last night, then woke up this morning and looked at it and thought "hey, I sound like a bitch!" oops. :)

catherine | August 14, 17:41 CET

I wonder why so long of a wait? It's not like USA has anything else better to show. (I'm sure they so, but not of the same cloth as Serenity.) ;)

‘He said yes. His eyes said yes. His nose said yes. There was a yes-iness about him.’

I find this to be very true. There is a "yes-iness" about Joss. Always will be too. :) That's why I like him.

And I'm with the band who think this is a great Joss year. My cup brims over with the joy of Joss-ness we've received this year alone. All of his stories are wonderful, and truly a new gem to be discovered with a fresh one. Like with pie. I've already declared Dr. Horrible's Sing Along Blog as my favorite Joss show (to date). It was welcomed into the opened arms of my other favs (which are also Joss shows, come to think about it).

I think it's because of this Joss-den era that I spare a little hope for Serenifly. I welcome his new shows, but that doesn't mean I have to leave his/my old shows in the dust.

It's like that song I used to sing in Girl Scouts:

Make new friends but keep the old,
One is silver and the other gold.

A circle's round, it has no end,
That's how long I want to be your friend.

korkster | August 14, 17:55 CET

A fan-bankrolled sequel?

Sure!

It'll be chock-full of Wash not dying (it was only a dream, yanno!) and hot three-way monkey sex between Mal, Jayne and Simon.

And maybe, just maybe, if we raise enough money, a bit of Inara on Saffron action!

Yeah, where do I sign for that?

Not.

BetNoir | August 14, 18:20 CET

That was a little over the top, BetNoir. I've often wondered why people always assume fans want control, yet fans like/trust Joss with his shows, and yet they hurt (in a good way) when peeps they love die.

I toss money out for merchandise and donations for Joss to get a Hollywood Star (once, last year). Why is this so ridiculous to chunk money at?

korkster | August 14, 18:55 CET

I've often wondered why people always assume fans want control...

Not all fans. But, over the long haul, it becomes quite clear that it isn't merely an assumption.

But even setting that aside, the point is that the industry would insist upon the legal protection against the potential for (to borrow a term) fan interference.

That's just the real world.

And speaking of the star: Whatever happened with all the money raised for that, anyway? Presumably that project is dead, and yet its website continues to have a PayPal button to give money to the effort. Was the money refunded? Did it go to a charity instead?

[ edited by theonetruebix on 2008-08-14 19:03 ]

The One True b!X | August 14, 19:01 CET

Wash appears in the sequel I'm bankrolling with Monopoly money. He's a space zombie. Neil Patrick Harris stars as an actual space pirate, and the Ghost of Shepherd Book (ok, a recording he left that gets sent over the Cortex) appears to give Mal cryptic advice.

Also, it's a musical. Zoe's song after she kills Singing Zombie Wash brings the whole house to tears every time. Jayne sings a cute little number about all of his favorite activities while he beats some guys up.

Sunfire | August 14, 19:13 CET

Korkster --

Because I've seen far too many fans display an appalling lack of understanding of copyright, intellectual property and the way the entertainment industry works.

I just don't see that many fans understanding the concept of being a silent partner in such an endeavor, let alone agreeing to such.

Why yes, I am Just That Cynical. Because I have friends and family in the industry.

Or, to borrow from Warren D'Montague on (yet another) short-lived FOX show: "Welcome to the Dream Factory."

BetNoir | August 14, 19:17 CET

We all know no means yes!

:D

lax01 | August 14, 19:19 CET

We all know no means yes!

Should we put that on the ads for the next Equality Now fundraiser we do?

The One True b!X | August 14, 19:24 CET

bix, I have no idea where my $10 donation went to, but I have my star shirt with Joss' head on it ($20). Perhaps they're still collecting money until they reached their goal, and then they'll purchase the star.

BetNoir, I didn't mean to sound like an attack, and I clearly had no idea that you were so close to this. I'm new to "rabid" fandoms (my first one!), and I'm merely going with the information provided in the thread.

People have said that this has worked before in non-America, so I just wondered why it couldn't be applied here. Now I know. Because we're stupid & greedy, and it confuzzles our clear and present fandom. I'll just stay on this side of the tube.

Speaking of Equality Now, bix, whatever happened to the announcements of those funds for 2008? I would have thought something would have been posted to the black. Any word?

korkster | August 15, 00:51 CET

We all know no means yes!

Should we put that on the ads for the next Equality Now fundraiser we do?

No. I mean yes. I mean no.

electricspacegirl | August 15, 01:01 CET

Bix, did you just make a date rape joke? I feel guilty for laughing.

Succatash | August 15, 01:48 CET

Bix, did you just make a date rape joke? I feel guilty for laughing.

Only in the sense that I was trying to point out that the person I quoted was making a date rape reference, whether they intended to or not.

The One True b!X | August 15, 02:48 CET

The more people see of our Big Darn Heroes work, the more they want to see of our Big Darn Heroes work...which leads them back to Firefly/Serenity.

Joss will "never write it off.”

We hold.

Anonymous1 | August 15, 02:53 CET

b!x -
Funny, but I'll go out on a limb and say, "erh, No."

BTW, looks like the Whedon Star web site has ~~vanished into the ether.~~...Nope looks like it was my internet connection instead.

ETC: fact error

[ edited by Loose Deckplate on 2008-08-15 15:28 ]

Loose Deckplate | August 15, 15:23 CET

I'm aware of the fact that it's never gonna happen, but JUUUUUST in case... I'm still checking this site daily. In case pigs fly and a studio is interested in a sequel.

Are there any geneticists around here?

Also, whenever I read the name Ace Underhill, I just think of Frodo Baggins's alias.

ShamelessSingingRennie | August 15, 18:33 CET

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