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October 08 2008

'I'd love to read Joss' Wonder Woman script' says Neil Gaiman. He tells MTV's Splash Page, "I'd be fascinated to see what he [Joss] did with it".

That's something I'd love to see, also.

There was just enough of a hint of Joss' take on the Wonder Woman character in the article where he explained his rationale of the wrist gauntlet/bullet deflection trick. Basically he took something that I'd always dismissed as hokey and turned it into something plausible and interesting. That's what makes him such a great writer of characters.

Hopefully this will be like Tim's 'The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress' script... something that will someday make it out into the world for us to enjoy and say "wouldn't that have been great..."
I often agree with Neil Gaiman. This is one of those times.
When Neil and Joss intersect I always get goosebumps. Someday maybe they'll actually work together, taking it a step further than praising each other or doing the odd interview (sort of) together.
When Neil and Joss intersect I always get goosebumps


Indeed.
Maybe one day Joss' take will get adapted as an Elseworlds tale or something along those lines... or possibly an All Star Wonder Woman story.

It's still okay to dream, right?
You and me both, brother.
Someday maybe they'll actually work together, taking it a step further than praising each other or doing the odd interview (sort of) together.

And then the universe will implode in a cataclysm of pure awesomeness.
That's something I'd like to read, too. While I'm wishing, I'd also like to see Gaiman's Death and Sandman films actually realized.
So say we all.

Sidenote, having Neil + Joss working together would be amazing.
Lunakitty - I love everything you said there.

A BSG reference - perfection.

Neil + Joss = double perfection.
I just finished reading one of Neil Gaiman's stories for a class (first time I'd read anything by him; I believe it was called "Troll Bridge"). It's cool to see that he's a fan of Joss's work. A collaboration between the two of them would be interesting to see.
I'd rather have Sandman done as a series, HBO-style, than see one film of it. Hard to know if it would survive on TV...on the one hand you've got True Blood doing well for them, genre-wise, but on the other hand Carnivale, which was probably a lot closer in tone to what Sandman might feel like on screen, never got to finish its story.

After the Sandman TV series theoretically gets popular, then they could do a couple Death TV-movies adapting her two mini-series comics. I don't think the stories in those really warrant big screen films.

I bet the script won't be leaked until they're absolutely sure it's never going to happen with Joss' input. So, not until a Wonder Woman film is actually made.
Kris -

Gaiman is actually set to direct Death: The High Cost of Living from a script he wrote himself, with Guillermo del Toro producing.

So that story will actually get the big screen treatment, if nothing goes wrong.
Yeah, I won't expect to see a script any time soon. What's more, Joss might not want us to see it. I remember him feeling uncomfortable when work-in-progress versions of the Serenity scripts were floating around, and I could imagine him not wanting his (unfinished?) Wonder Woman script out there.

On the other hand, if it was available, I'd pretty much leap to read it.

As for Gaiman - he's been one of my favorite authors ever since I fell in complete and utter love with 'American Gods'. I retroactively read 'Sandman', which was a briliant comic. Basically, everything he does in books and comics is great, though I've yet to read 'Anansi Boys' and have also not read my shiny, newly purchased 'The Graveyard Book', which I'm now considering "reading" along with him reading it in front of an audience on his website (I watched him read chapter one before I'd bought the book and the audience reactions really add something to the mix).

I wonder in what medium they'd best interact. However much I love Gaiman, I've not been overly impressed with his filmed work and I can't quite picture Joss doing a novel. Which leaves comics. Which is actually quite a viable option. I'd love to see - let's say - a graphic novel which they co-created, in the vein of Gaiman and Pratchett doing the 'Good Omens' novel.
Simon, thank you for linking to that interview. I've read it before, but it still just makes me happy.
I love Gaiman's work as well, although I haven't actually read anything of his recently- probably the last work I read was 'American Gods', now that I stop to think about it.

Today's thread has reminded me that I need to re-read the short story 'Murder Mysteries' in the 1993 collection 'Angels and Visitations: A Miscellany'.

Good stuff. However, that DVD of 'Neverwhere' that I bought on faith alone? That thing was a stink-bomb.

I'm going to jump on the N.G./J.W. love bandwagon and say that I also think Neil and Joss would be a mind-blowing collaborative duo.
Really, DC should give Whedon a deal to adapt his script into a graphic novel. Of course they won't, because it will undermine whatever movie comes out for Wonder Woman, at least in their minds. But I think we'd all love to see what Joss wanted to do with the character.
Well, I for one, need to see Joss' version. There was a lot of talk on this site about casting Morgan Freeman for the role last year, and since then, I have had disturbing pictures in my mind, which must be purged. :)

That was a fun interview, Simon. I hadn't seen it before.

[ edited by MysticSlug on 2008-10-08 22:34 ]
It could happen. They're letting a direct-to-DVD animated Wonder Woman film be made (the one with Nathan Fillion as her dude), so they can't be too worried about the market being oversaturated with WW product and undermining the eventual film.
When Neil Gaiman writes and Joss Whedon directs the film adaptation of Tales of Beedle the Bard, my fandoms will officially be one. And then the world will implode.
We haven't even read Tales yet ...

Anyway, in case anyone reading here doesn't know, Gaiman has a new book coming out ready for Hallowe'en. He's been reading a chapter a day (videos on his site).

Edit: here's a better link just for the chapter readings.

[ edited by MattK on 2008-10-08 23:19 ]
Yeah, those are the readings I was talking about upthread, MattK. Tnx for the linkage here!

Also: the book's already out. I'm pretty sure of it, since it's sitting right beside me on my desk right now ;). The readings are really enjoyable, I highly recommend them, although I've only listened to chapters one and two. For chapter three, I'm going to try reading along with the video to see how that works out :).

ETA: Yikes, I see that I've missed two of Mr. Gaiman's books. "M is for magic" and "InterWorld". Jeez, you'd think I'd keep up to date with these things. Will have to order those soon.

ETA2: Ah, I see I've already read some of the stories in "M is for magic". Anyone know how many of those have not been published in book form before?

[ edited by GVH on 2008-10-09 00:22 ]
Well, I for one, need to see Joss' version. There was a lot of talk on this site about casting Morgan Freeman for the role last year

I would pay good money and lots of it to see Morgan Freeman as Wonder Woman.
Deepgirl187, I'm teaching Gaiman's "Troll Bridge" this semester. Maybe I should say a Whedony code word in class and see if you respond in kind. How about "effulgent" and "shiny"?
Ah, I see I've already read some of the stories in "M is for magic". Anyone know how many of those have not been published in book form before

I'm not 100% sure but I think all those stories were published before. The collection is made up stories suitable for the young adult crowd, because of Gaiman's recent popularity with a younger crowd thanks to his various children books. The title was inspired by Ray Bradbury's young adult sci-fi collection "R is for Rocket".
There was just enough of a hint of Joss' take on the Wonder Woman character in the article where he explained his rationale of the wrist gauntlet/bullet deflection trick. Basically he took something that I'd always dismissed as hokey and turned it into something plausible and interesting. That's what makes him such a great writer of characters.

MikeTMC do you have a link to that article? I'd really like to read it...
Add my name to the list of those who agree with Mr Gaiman and would like to see him and Joss work together. he could direct 'Good Omens',I've been waiting for that movie for a long time. and I'm sure he'd make it awesome
Check, Mat_Fab. Won't put 'M is for magic' on my priorities list just yet, then. Although the completist in me still wants to buy it :).
MikeTMC do you have a link to that article? I'd really like to read it...


dulce_serenidad- I found the link, and it looks like it still works. It's an interesting read- both about the rationale behind the guantlets and also with regard to the concept of 'hero.'

(try as I might using the 'how to'- I simply cannot make the link thingy work... so here's the URL)

AV Club interviews Joss Whedon:
http://www.avclub.com/content/interview/joss_whedon/1
MikeTMC, you make links like so:

< a href = "http://whedonesque.com" > your linked tekst < / a >

only without all the added spaces (but keep the one between a and href), which then looks like:

your linked tekst

(Anyway, here's the clickable AV Club interview)
Thanks for the help, GVH I can see what I was doing wrong now. The 'how to' description doesn't exactly tell you where to put the link description itself, and I was also trying to close the href thingy before putting in the descriptor.
GVH, do read the Anansi Boys. I may like it even better than American Gods, although it is not as epic in scope.

Also make sure you find the novella "Monarch of the Glen" which follows the further adventures of Shadow, and has him intersecting with a couple of fascinating Gaiman short story characters, Mr. Alice and Mr. Smith.

Since I had pretty much stopped reading comic books for the past 15-20 years, Gaiman was only peripherally in my awareness, but having started by reading his novels I am a complete and total convert to the church of Gaiman genius. I am eagerly hoping for a sequel to Neverwhere knowing that
Gaiman is actually set to direct Death: The High Cost of Living from a script he wrote himself, with Guillermo del Toro producing.

Ooh, I didn't know that. I read the IMDb entry, it still seems a little too good to be true. That could be such a beautiful movie. I've been sort of binging on Del Toro DVDs lately, since I wanted to see Hellboy 2 again and found out it's still not out for another month.
While I agree with Mr. Gaiman about seeing Joss' script, if Joss cannot be the writer of the it-really-will-be-made-one-day Wonder Woman movie, I would love to see Gail Simone write it. Then I would like to see Joss write Birds of Prey. It gives me chills to think of what he could do with Oracle and the Black Canary.
barboo, I'll certainly read it. In fact, I've had the hardcover on my shelf for quite some time, but I just haven't gotten round to it (apart from the first two chapters which I immediately read after I'd purchased the book and loved, but then I put it away wanting to finish the book I was reading at that moment first). Same thing goes for "Monarch of the Glen". It's actually the only story in 'Fragile Things' I haven't read yet. It was just a little too long to read before sleep (which is the time I read the other stories), and as such I just haven't gotten round to it. There's basically just too many books in the world, which is a problem if you like a lot of 'em ;).

As for a sequel to 'Neverwhere': I'd certainly read it, although it's the Gaiman novel which spoke the least to me (still not sure why, though, as on a pure analytical level is was just as good as his other work, but for some reason I just connected less with it. Maybe I should re-read it sometime).
MikeTMC, thanks for the link; GVH, thanks for the assist; that was very informative and enjoyable.

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