October 17
2008
"Fox picks up 'Terminator' for Full Season".
More Summer Glau for All!
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and maybe dollhouse will be on a different night?
or maybe it will take the place of fringe. :D
| October 17, 20:42 CET
I don't mind that T:SCC has been picked up, even though it's been disappointing, but I'd rather it doesn't result in anything taking the place of Fringe, which so far this season has been the more entertaining program.
@theonetruebix | October 17, 20:49 CET
missb | October 17, 21:04 CET
Either way, I'm happy. Now that John Connor has gotten interesting, I want to see more.
ETA: Another 'Dollhouse has creative troubles' angle slotted into a story- I deduce that it must be a day ending in -y!
Yeah, but unlike a lot of other articles I've seen it isn't blowing the issue out of proportion and it's just in speculation about what FOX might have been considering when they ordered more T:SCC.
[ edited by NYPinTA on 2008-10-18 06:11 ]
NYPinTA | October 17, 21:08 CET
xerox | October 17, 21:18 CET
embers | October 17, 21:21 CET
EvilFirePixie8 | October 17, 21:34 CET
[ edited by xerox on 2008-10-18 06:59 ]
xerox | October 17, 21:39 CET
nanceoir | October 17, 21:43 CET
[ edited by theonetruebix on 2008-10-18 06:44 ]
@theonetruebix | October 17, 21:44 CET
Simon | October 17, 21:50 CET
@theonetruebix | October 17, 21:53 CET
Hey, Simon, it must be awfully early out there, I'm pretty sure that's the exact same link xerox posted. ;)
ETA: YEAH! Let's all pile on Simon!
[ edited by cabri on 2008-10-18 06:54 ]
cabri | October 17, 21:53 CET
If it had just been a reiteration, I wouldn't have posted it. Just like how I didn't post a link to the AICN article that linked to the original article.
xerox | October 17, 21:55 CET
It's not even 7am here *blinks*. Also I just realised that as an admin of this site that it might be a good idea if I read other people's comments.
Simon | October 17, 21:59 CET
xerox | October 17, 22:04 CET
I think TSCC is finding its stride. They've had some great episodes this season. I think they do themselves a disservice pitting it against Chuck. You're not the only one wondering why they pair the sitcom with Bones. Seems odd.
thatweirdgirl | October 17, 22:34 CET
IrrationaliTV | October 17, 22:38 CET
will.bueche | October 17, 22:52 CET
jlp | October 17, 23:07 CET
(i.e. I, too, am really happy to be wrong about this, not only cos I like the show but also because this is real, positive evidence of the new mindset at nuFox. Bodes well)
Incidentally, did anyone in the UK catch the "Behind the Scenes" show on Virgin1 last night ? Saw a bit of it and it looked alright, despite Sarah Cawood doing the hosting (didn't watch it all cos of Wossy on the other side and cos it seemed mildly spoilerish).
Saje | October 17, 23:22 CET
If by that you mean "easier to laugh at" or "more eye-rolling" then yeah...
crossoverman | October 17, 23:31 CET
@theonetruebix | October 17, 23:41 CET
Still, an excellent sign for our "Dollhouse" premiere this January. Did I whoohoo already? Make it a repeat:)
Madhatter | October 17, 23:55 CET
Sure, if you ignore the nine episodes that came before this season.
@theonetruebix | October 18, 00:00 CET
Well then you put it really badly in that case.
Saje | October 18, 00:14 CET
@theonetruebix | October 18, 00:24 CET
Madhatter | October 18, 00:32 CET
[ edited by Zoic_Fan on 2008-10-18 09:41 ]
Zoic_Fan | October 18, 00:33 CET
Seriously though, 'tripe' seems pretty harsh, have you seriously thought all the episodes were that bad or were you just over-reacting/being provocative (personally I thought 3, especially 4 and also 5 were pretty decent) ?
ETR some wrongness ;).
[ edited by Saje on 2008-10-18 10:06 ]
Saje | October 18, 01:05 CET
Perseo | October 18, 01:39 CET
I've gotta be honest - I'd be told it wasn't going to get picked up a few weeks ago, as the numbers were dire. I'm guessing the fact Warners is the studio has actually played in the shows favour here, as they have a movie film coming out shortly so it makes sense for them to throw a little more money at this.
Whatever the case, I'm told the next batch of episodes are actually good, and it's always nice to see Summer.
gossi | October 18, 01:56 CET
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't "Dollhouse" a lead-up to "24"? Gosh, I'm so confuse. Straighten me out someone.
Madhatter | October 18, 02:20 CET
That's just being mean!
Ricardo L. | October 18, 02:30 CET
Simon | October 18, 02:44 CET
What do I win ?
Saje | October 18, 03:00 CET
If by poo you mean "a wretchedly stupid premise, dull acting and stupid final act resolutions", yeah - that's exactly what I meant.
Whereas I sympathise with the characters on SCC, some sequences have been stunningly shot - and episodes 2x4 and 2x5 were excellent character/world builders.
crossoverman | October 18, 03:18 CET
gossi | October 18, 03:34 CET
Saje, you won in spades. Now, what you won may be in question. Regardless, you ask good questions. Tends to keep the peoples on their toes.
Madhatter | October 18, 03:39 CET
alien lanes | October 18, 03:40 CET
[ edited by gossi on 2008-10-18 12:43 ]
gossi | October 18, 03:42 CET
Simon | October 18, 03:50 CET
I am wondering if they will do a Drive style 3 hour, 2 night premier. It would get the first two episodes out the way, then launch the 3rd in the normal timeslot.
gossi | October 18, 04:00 CET
Back to topic, isn't Summer lovely?
Madhatter | October 18, 04:04 CET
You know, we all see things differently. I think T:SCC is mostly bloody shite (some episodes excluded), whereas I love Fringe.
Agreed (that we all see it differently), in fact I feel pretty much exactly that except the other way around. But the whole T:TSCC versus 'Fringe' thing just seems ridiculous to me, as if if you're a fan of one you somehow have to dislike the other or whatever.
T:TSCC gained a fair bit of credit throughout the first season for me, credit that, i'll admit, it's spending in varying amounts at the moment. At the same time, 'Fringe' didn't have any to start with (being a new show) and still spent it so right now it's in the hole as far as i'm concerned, even though i'd say, daft nasal "mind-reader" aside, episode 4 was good TV and episode 5 was at least OK (3 was 'meh', 2 was absolutely dire IMO and the pilot was better than alright but worse than good - which, by and large, is exactly how you'd want a show to progress i.e. bad to better).
I'm starting to think lazily written deus ex-ish "fringe" technology fixes are just going to be one of the things you either put up with or don't where 'Fringe' is concerned (I personally haven't decided yet) so it's getting to the point where I (mentally at least ;) get up and make a cup of tea whenever those bits start.
Saje | October 18, 04:08 CET
I don't get the Fox schedule. All the other networks have three hours of prime time, Fox only has two? I actually hadn't realized that until gossi pointed it out.
Just curious, does anyone know why they don't expand their prime time schedule to match the other networks?
Shey | October 18, 04:26 CET
alien lanes | October 18, 04:32 CET
I'm sure there will be a wonderful timeslot for Dollhouse. I don't care if Fringe stays or goes, as I haven't been able to motivate myself to watch past the second episode. I usually watch a show while I'm eating, and I won't watch ick-fest Fringe while I'm eating. Nor do I watch Supernatural while eating, but this past episode would have been fine. It was a Ben Edlund episode, so of course it was hilarious.
Now I think I'm just rambling to put off work. So, yay! more Summer!
theclynn | October 18, 05:50 CET
Eric G | October 18, 06:22 CET
ricetxpeaches | October 18, 06:45 CET
AncientMagicks | October 18, 07:09 CET
ricetxpeaches | October 18, 07:14 CET
Caroline | October 18, 07:25 CET
It also gives me hope for this "new" FOX. Yay!
Garim | October 18, 07:33 CET
zz9 | October 18, 07:33 CET
And to add my two cents to the 'Fringe' debate: the show is slowly getting to the point where I can't take any more of these mind-numbingly silly deus ex-machina resolutions. They are very random and because of that, they feel like a cheat every single time. Which is really a shame, because it's a fairly decent - albeit clichéd - show, with solid acting otherwise. So it's a shame that the only 'spin' they're giving the old procedural/conspiracy clichés here, is "stupid pseudo science that makes no sense".
So I'd say the only thing these two shows have in common, is that they're both not stellar. I'd give T:SCC the edge in terms of story and Fringe the edge in production values and - apart from Summer - acting. But I've seen much better television elsewhere.
GVH | October 18, 08:18 CET
Ricardo L. | October 18, 08:20 CET
I'm basically the same way. I think the show is awful just as much as it is good -- maybe moreso -- but the occasional gem keeps me coming back. It's just a shame the show is wasting a cast I really like. Cameron, John, and Derek are interesting characters. Let's do something with them, people.
The Dark Shape | October 18, 08:24 CET
[ edited by Barry Woodward on 2008-10-18 18:11 ]
Barry Woodward | October 18, 08:55 CET
My guess is that TSCC will take a break after it's 13th episode. Dollhouse will take it's timeslot for (hopefully) all 13 episodes and then TSCC will come back to finish in April/May or just move TSCC to a different night.
I really don't see how FOX could change Dollhouse's schedule. I remember them saying Dollhouse is being given "priority treatment" and there's already a lot of buzz about Dollhouse/24 nights. If FOX decides to change it then.... rude!
hitnrun017 | October 18, 09:04 CET
Or just make it a web exclusive series. That would be a bold step.
Simon | October 18, 09:05 CET
Saje | October 18, 09:17 CET
Their local stations get an hour's jump on local news and there would be a mutiny if Fox tried to expand 11-ward.
cabri | October 18, 09:31 CET
Monday: Dollhouse and 24
Tuesday: American Idol and Fringe
Wednesday: House, American Idol Results Show and 'Til Death
Thursday: Bones and Terminator - The Sarah Connor Chronicles
Friday: Prison Break and Hell's Kitchen
[ edited by Barry Woodward on 2008-10-18 19:16 ]
Barry Woodward | October 18, 09:50 CET
Edited to remove one too many kisses of death.
[ edited by cabri on 2008-10-18 18:58 ]
cabri | October 18, 09:58 CET
| October 18, 09:58 CET
Wednesday nights really isn't an option and Thursdays would be absolutely brutal to both shows. I'm ok with Friday.
IrrationaliTV | October 18, 10:05 CET
kerfuffle | October 18, 10:11 CET
HowlingLupe | October 18, 12:06 CET
Glaubot and Mansonbot goodness for 22 episodes.
Sah-weet.
ProgGrrl | October 18, 12:23 CET
Oh and I just love how this thread became "Fringe vs. TSCC." ><
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[ edited by Rhodey on 2008-10-18 21:28 ]
Rhodey | October 18, 12:27 CET
American Idol will be 2 hours, probably both nights, when it first airs so both Fringe and House will have a short hiatus but then will be back when indicated on the schedule. I think the only deviation from this schedule will be that 'Til Death will either be in that that 1/2 slot after AI results show or will fall off the schedule (since Do Not Disturb is officially dead). TamaraC is right, pretty much the only place they can put it is Friday with Bones.
My guess is that TSCC will take a break after it's 13th episode. Dollhouse will take it's timeslot for (hopefully) all 13 episodes and then TSCC will come back to finish in April/May or just move TSCC to a different night.
hitnrun017, I think it may not happen this way for a couple of reasons. Since TSCC is a still a bubble show (despite the order for a full season), even though Friday is a show-killer they may consider it riskier to have the show off the air for months rather than on Friday. Especially with Bones on that night and the proliferation of Tivos and dvrs.
Plus, if Dollhouse manages to get a better audience than TSCC, especially on very crowded Monday, there is a shot of us getting more episodes than 13. That would happily keep that time slot tied up. :-)
DaisyButtercup | October 18, 12:58 CET
Things are looking good in television land. After all, Joss' coming back!
Madhatter | October 18, 12:59 CET
There's too much media attention surrounding Dollhouse for Fox to try to bury it, even if they are worried about its direction, which I'm not convinced they are. Plus, haven't they already sold it to advertisers as part of that fewer-commercials experiment (along with Fringe)? Fox will want Dollhouse to do as well as possible to make those advertisers happy and for the experiment to be a success, especially since it seems to already be working for Fringe.
JMaloney | October 18, 13:00 CET
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Hjermsted | October 18, 13:39 CET
Simon | October 18, 13:49 CET
[ edited by gossi on 2008-10-18 22:52 ]
gossi | October 18, 13:51 CET
Simon | October 18, 13:54 CET
Are they merely speculating? Referring to other people's speculations? Hearing said information from a source? If the last, how is the source positioned?
They don't say.
Anyone and their brother can say "reportedly other reasons" for something. Sites that present themselves as actual sources of industry news need to hold themselves to the standard of making themselves clear.
[ edited by theonetruebix on 2008-10-18 22:56 ]
@theonetruebix | October 18, 13:55 CET
[ edited by hitnrun017 on 2008-10-18 23:03 ]
hitnrun017 | October 18, 14:00 CET
Maybe Fox is hedging its bets on future shows. Doesn't make it Dollhouse. Doesn't make it not Dollhouse either. Doesn't really matter.
Yay! More TSCC!
IrrationaliTV | October 18, 15:16 CET
I think it's just that someone read the comments here when the Whedon Panic Status was Orange shading towards Red -- we had some really good reasons. ;)
cabri | October 18, 16:33 CET
So in the end, I really don't get how these quotes bounce around articles on the net and how rumors build (even often from things said here on the black). Are showbusiness editors less fussy about sources? Are the rules more fuzzy for internet publications? Or are these mostly "amateur publications" (meaning: not writing from within an established journalistic structure)? Whatever the reason: I wish they'd be clearer as well.
GVH | October 18, 16:34 CET
Even if the rumor/speculation is very well informed the wind changes directions faster than you can even begin to imagine with these types of decisions. I wouldn't be surprised if it changes again before the end of the year. Or the end of next week.
IrrationaliTV | October 18, 16:39 CET
gossi | October 18, 16:51 CET
cabri | October 18, 16:59 CET
IrrationaliTV | October 18, 17:03 CET
And TamaraC, even if we are supposed to know what "reportedly" means for possible sources or lack thereof, it is still sloppy writing as far as I'm concerned. Because there must at least be a source for writing a statement (which could then be named, even if it is as vague as "internet rumor" or "online buzz"). And if there isn't any source, but if it's speculation on the part of the writer, that should also be clear (and the writer shouldn't be using "reportedly" in the first place, I think). At least: that's what I'd say. But all my writing has been in Dutch and not in English and I have no experience in writing for online entertainment news sites, so I might be unjustly projecting my experiences elsewhere on a not completely relatable situation.
GVH | October 18, 17:42 CET
IrrationaliTV | October 18, 17:49 CET
For the first time since the day it was announced, I will admit to be a little concerned about the state of Dollhouse.
rbt | October 18, 17:49 CET
gossi | October 18, 17:59 CET
If they schedule it back-to-back with a ratings winner, then they are behind the show. If they dump it into the Friday death slot, then they want Dollhouse to go away now.
If the network delays the premiere again we'll know they are still unsure what they have with Dollhouse
.
Hjermsted | October 18, 18:34 CET
IrrationaliTV | October 18, 18:48 CET
That said, I can't deny this has made me rather worried for Dollhouse. Not entirely reasonably, I'll grant, but still.
sumogrip | October 18, 19:16 CET
Dollhouse panic alert: pinkish/purple
Must go roll eyes now. I hope I don't injure myself too much.
Just to feed more conspiracy theories, a SAG strike in the next 6 months is not at all out of the question. Networks may be stockpiling.
IrrationaliTV | October 18, 20:33 CET
What I want to say is just because TSCC received the back nine, we shouldn't worry about Dollhouse.
Eric_Curtis | October 18, 20:44 CET
*groan* Will the torture never end?
Well, I'm happy for those of you who like T:SCC. It's still not a favorite in my house and the kids aren't watching it. Too violent.
MysticSlug | October 19, 02:27 CET
Madhatter | October 19, 12:48 CET
lycoming | October 19, 13:15 CET
I know how to fight about something like this, but looking ahead, I don't actually have any experience with being an online fan for a going Whedon series. I only got into online fandom when Angel was canceled, and it was too late, though I didn't know that. I tried to help with the Save Angel stuff. And that's what led me to all of this. Honestly, I'm looking for a good role model. Because if the fandom activity for Dollhouse is going to be like this, I may go back to being a silent fan.
dreamlogic | October 19, 18:03 CET