(SPOILER)
What happened when the lights went out.
Sadly, this is not a naughty post. It's just Joss nattering on again.
I thought it was time to check in with you once again, gentle viewers. Or readers. Or pictures-looker-ats (that might be viewers). Also listeners, sniffers, haberdashers, Olympic hopefuls, the elderly, the youngerdly, and the mighty state of Oregon (go Oregon-based sports franchise!) Welcome all. Welcome... to me.
What's me up to? I'm glad me asked. Me've (I'm not doing that any more) been working on a little show called Dollhouse. Yes, perhaps you've read about how it's blazing an untrammeled path to surefire success, with nary a hitch or a hiccup, just pure blazing blazery, comet-like and meteoresque. What's that, you say? You've read other things? Dark, Yog-Sothothy rumors about shutdowns and delays? Poppycock! They’re true. But I never pass up a chance to say "poppycock". ("Balderdash" is so '07. Let it go.) I know there's been a lot of concern, various fabulous hues of panic alert readiness. So here's the skinny. Some of the names have been changed.
The show was ruined by Flim Flinear. Okay, that's another lie, and you're probably close to giving up on this blog, so here we go. Yes, we've had to make adjustments. Yes, it's been hard and I've been depressing to be around for awhile. Basically, the Network and I had different ideas about what the tone of the show would be. They bought something somewhat different than what I was selling them, which is not that uncommon in this business. Their desires were not surprising: up the stakes, make the episodes more stand-alone, stop talking about relationships and cut to the chase. Oh, and add a chase. That you can cut to. Nothing I hadn't heard before on my other shows (apparently my learning curve has no bendy part) but frustrating as hell given our circumstances - a pilot shot, scripts written, everybody marching together/gainfully employed... and then a shutdown. Glad I was for the breathing room, but it's hardly auspicious. So back into the writer cave I went, wondering why I put up with this when I can make literally dozens of dollars making internet movies. Why I do put up with this is divided into three parts.
One: They're not wrong. Oh, we don't see eye-to-eye on everything, but wanting the first episodes to be exciting and accessible is not exactly Satanic. Being Satan is, but that's in their free time and hey, there's no judging in the Dollhouse. This kind of back and forth has happened on every show I've done, so if you liked those, chances are that was a part of why. And the need to focus on the essentials of what makes this universe tick - and which wire to cut to make it stop - really does bring up our game. So we as a staff have gone from blinking like unhoused moles to delving in with the same relish we had when we started. The show is really coming together now, in a way that I believe excites us and satisfies the Network. Of course, I have no idea if anybody else will like it, but I have the same faith in the staff, the crew and the remarkable cast that I always did. More, in fact. And what's more crucial:
Two: Nothing essential has changed about the universe. The ideas and relationships that intrigued me from the start are all there (though some have shifted, more on that), and the progression of the first thirteen eps has me massively excited. The episode we're shooting now I wrote as fast as anything I have before, not because I had to (although, funny side-note: I had to) but because I couldn't stop the words from coming. Because I can feel the show talking to me; delighting, scaring and occasionally even offending me. It's alive. Alive! Which is a far cry from how I felt a month ago. It's been hilarious trying to keep up with what's in, what's out, who's met whom and when - we've shot all of the first seven episodes out of airing order - but it's come together in a pretty thrilling way. My huge gratitude to our cast for their precision and patience. Which also includes...
Three: Eliza. Watching her on the monitors at two o'clock this morning I was reminded forcibly how much I wished I were in bed – but also how strong, radiant and unmistakable her presence is. She's someone who could coast on talent and never ever does. I love to watch her work. In fact, I think I got myself into this mess for that very reason, and though I have this fall occasionally sworn never to eat lunch with an actor I like again, I’m pretty pleased and crazy proud.
So here's me, slogging away on a show like days of old and not hating life. Again, you guys will be the judge, jury and execu... lawyer, but we do have something to show you. Something, I'm chuffed to say, still pretty damn strange.
As for what's been changed, well, some things I obviously can't tell you. Some I can, for the record: The original pilot was in fact thrown out. Again, at my behest. Once it became clear what paradigm the Network was shooting for, it just didn't fit at all, even after I'd reshot more than half of it (see above re: despair). To get a sense of how completely turned around I was during this process, you should know there was a scene with Eliza and the astonishing Ashley Johnson that I wrote and shot completely differently three different times, with different characters in different places (actually I wrote it closer to eight times), and none of it will ever see air. Which is as it should be (though I'm determined to get Ms. Johnson back in the future). The scene just didn't belong anymore. Similarly, the character of November has fallen out of the mix, because the show simply moves too fast now for me to do what I wanted with her. Season three, anyone...? Happily, Miracle Laurie is still with us in a new role, playing against (and pining for) Tahmoh's character, Paul Ballard. Their chemistry is deeply nifty. The only other major cast shift is that the Dollhouse head of security, Laurence Dominic (played by Reed Diamond), who was written just for the now-defunct first ep, has stuck like fly-paper, and Reed is very much in the family for the present. (Most of my problems seem to involve my actors making themselves indispensable. This is the good problem kind.)
Apart from that, it's all hush-hush: some things I'd intended to hold back are laid out much sooner, and some are rolling out more slowly. We're still heading toward Tim's intense two-part mind-blower - right before a thirteenth ep that may actually just be insane.
And finally, young Steve DeKnight, after writing and shooting an ep so cool it helped not only define the show but save its ass, is ending his consulting duties, the f#%&er. I will be crying on the shoulder of Jane Espenson come Monday, so congratudolences are in order. Excited for the Jane Flava.
And there you have it. I'll be writing more bulletins about "Cabin" and a certain DVD in the very near future, but I wanted to get you all some actual information for a change. I can count on you guys not to tell anyone, right? What's a blog?
Faithfully, -joss.

Edited to add: well we've waited months (months I tell you!) for a Joss post, and this one was kind of hair-raising: he starts out scaring me with the dire specter or corporate suits and his own depression, but then raising my excitement level with allusions to amazing scripts and story lines. He makes me sad about DeKnight leaving, but then thrills me with the fact that Jane Espenson is jumping on board! So Yay!!
Right?
[ edited by embers on 2008-10-26 07:03 ]
embers | October 26, 06:49 CET
Poppycock make a comeback, finally.
But man do not read that word to quickly or to late at night or otherwise it may not appear as it seems. Because I could have swore at least one of the "o" was a "u".
Oh and hey - I say the stuff you think we will never see. Just wait I'm sure FOX squirreled it away for the DVD.
Seriously, I doubt anyone reads this site anymore, I mean why would they. Nothing ever interesting is posted here. So your secrets are safe on this side of the ether.
:D
Well maybe a few pot roast recipes every now and then but that is it.
[ edited by RavenU on 2008-10-26 07:09 ]
RavenU | October 26, 06:50 CET
Thanks for checking in with us. Don't worry, mum's the word. And a perfectly good word it is, too. Very mumlike.
C. A. Bridges | October 26, 06:54 CET
Dont worry we are all here for you and will support you forever! Whatever the tone...
Beren77 | October 26, 06:55 CET
Seriously, would it kill them to mop unknowingness once in a while?
kishi | October 26, 06:58 CET
And Oregon mentions are always welcome. There are not near enough Oregon mentions (or the correct pronunciation) in TV. Orygun, people. Orygun.
[ edited by TamaraC on 2008-10-26 07:05 ]
TamaraC | October 26, 07:04 CET
ETA that I meant to actually say something Dollhouse-related here, not just me-related, but got distracted. So, on that: All of the above, while obviously more specific than we've heard previously, basically matches what so many have said here before: TV can be like this, so just relax and wait until January.
Also, I don't even remember hearing Reed Diamond was in it at all, for whatever reason. But good cast catch.
(Meanwhile, since he just alluded to Cabin, can anyone tell me WTF the listing for Cabin said in two of the last three issues of Production Weekly?)
[ edited by theonetruebix on 2008-10-26 07:10 ]
The One True b!X | October 26, 07:05 CET
Note to self: Don't read a Joss-post half asleep because it makes you drink caffeine to properly read and understand it.
Panic alert level: Carolina blue with a tinge of magenta.
crazygolfa | October 26, 07:05 CET
I just keep on getting more and more excited about Dollhouse! Is it January yet?
Vortigun | October 26, 07:05 CET
pollaxt | October 26, 07:07 CET
mikejer | October 26, 07:09 CET
crazygolfa | October 26, 07:10 CET
Rachelkachel | October 26, 07:11 CET
archon | October 26, 07:11 CET
KingofCretins | October 26, 07:11 CET
TamaraC | October 26, 07:16 CET
Wait, what, where, when? I was watching. Damn it.
The One True b!X | October 26, 07:16 CET
Not that I'd ever advocate that sort of behavior. Just posing the hypothetical.
Jobo | October 26, 07:18 CET
My word for the day is Poppycock!
alexreager | October 26, 07:19 CET
[ edited by crazygolfa on 2008-10-26 07:22 ]
crazygolfa | October 26, 07:21 CET
Jobo | October 26, 07:22 CET
The One True b!X | October 26, 07:22 CET
Thanks for checking in, always nice to be updated.
I second the post above that says Oregon will always have your back, but I mean it more singularly. Statewide too.
oregon | October 26, 07:23 CET
It had entirely brand-spanking new material. It had a motorcycle race or chase in it, (Which Eliza spoke about in her interview with Jimmy Kimmel a few months ago) and other shiny new material. It made me squee. :D
Let me rephrase that, the commercial-ad-trailer thingy was new to me.
ETA a missing letter.
[ edited by crazygolfa on 2008-10-26 07:37 ]
crazygolfa | October 26, 07:24 CET
Garim | October 26, 07:27 CET
Was there anything new?
Vortigun | October 26, 07:28 CET
Thanks so much. Your communication means a lot.
So excited about Dollhouse! And very interested to know that it sometimes offends you. :)
jcs | October 26, 07:28 CET
It's great to know what's really happening... helps with the long long wait 'till January.
Can't wait to watch the show! Can't wait for more purple goodness!
maxsummers | October 26, 07:29 CET
sojourner | October 26, 07:31 CET
The One True b!X | October 26, 07:37 CET
thatweirdgirl | October 26, 07:38 CET
Still not worried about Dollhouse. I have faith in Joss and everybody and the entire process. I can't wait for it to actually be on my TV though.
electricspacegirl | October 26, 07:38 CET
JossIzBoss | October 26, 07:40 CET
I wish Fox would just put their complete faith in you and stop tinkering with awesomeness (also read: anything that you write.)
I wasn't before, but now I'm worried.
almost cookies | October 26, 07:41 CET
bojojoti | October 26, 07:44 CET
Yes, nothing like an honest bit of reassurance to... make worried people who were not worried before? What?
The One True b!X | October 26, 07:44 CET
Oh my, was this cut and paste from the announcement for Firefly's new pilot? Because I swear, my heart fell all the way to China. :( *faints from the horror*
P.S. Thanks, joss, for the eventually good news -- I am looking forward to it even more now! :)
[ edited by cabri on 2008-10-26 07:46 ]
cabri | October 26, 07:45 CET
almost cookies | October 26, 07:48 CET
I'm sad about the loss of November (for now), but glad Miracle Laurie gets to stick around.
Not (as) long to go now...
Braeden Fireheart | October 26, 07:52 CET
Well, I'm looking forward to seeing Dollhouse. I actually am glad that Fox had Joss change Malcolm Reynold's character from what it was originally- I'm glad he has that sense of humor and is not just doom and gloom as he was originally meant to be.
That being said, I have a hard time having any confidence that Fox will give the show a good, honest chance. (Drive, anyone?) Hopefully it will at least get the chance that Fringe is getting, and the hope of improvement that Sarah Conner Chronicles is getting.
VeryVeryCrowded | October 26, 08:02 CET
The One True b!X | October 26, 08:03 CET
Simon | October 26, 08:06 CET
Thanks for keeping us in the loopy Joss. And nope, we wont tell nary a soul.
*is totally not linking all of her friends to this site right now*
Mums a word.
British people use....
And yes please if we non baseball people can get a link to the commercial???
Tarheelfan | October 26, 08:09 CET
electricspacegirl | October 26, 08:11 CET
The One True b!X | October 26, 08:18 CET
non sequitur | October 26, 08:20 CET
dulce_serenidad | October 26, 08:24 CET
"...there’s no judging in the Dollhouse."
See, I didn't know that.
*stops judging the Executives and administers mind-wipe instead.*
There you go. Now listen to the suave man with the sorta-red hair and slightly high forehead and do what he tells you.
I will maintain my high level of interest in Dollhouse come what may, but I wish people would stop bugging the Jossir.
QuoterGal | October 26, 08:30 CET
Let Down | October 26, 08:48 CET
RobinInSeoul | October 26, 08:55 CET
And happy belated birthday, theonetruebix!
OzLady | October 26, 09:08 CET
Any way.
YAY for new info! YAY for Joss humor! Boo silly execs who don't trust the Genius That is Joss. Boo, I say!
"Poppycock" is a very good word. nods
Jossir, I'm glad your brain is churning out all sorts of new ideas and just won't shut up. 'cause that way lies amazing stories, filled with humor, angst and scathing wit. Sometimes all at once.
I know mine's already trying to write fan fic for this show, which is silly because I only know the most basic of basics about it, and also rather frightening.
I, however, will not watch the World Series for a chance to catch the ads, being not a fan of baseball. I will have to wait for regular programming to resume to see it. And maybe when I do I'll also catch some ads for Merlin on NBC, which should be starting sometime the same month. Oooh! I hope they're not up against each other! 'cause that'd be rude, having to choose between ASH & Eliza.
ShadowQuest | October 26, 09:09 CET
Looking forward to that additional information! Take care, Joss Boss, and thanks for the post! It's always a thrill to hear from you; we love that you love us. ^_~
sunshineguinn | October 26, 09:56 CET
Dollhouse is an odd thing. In theory, it's a show about identity, who we are, what defines us etc. But the thing is, that's not a show - that's an idea. FOX are "the action network", which I've said before I think is their downfall. So you've got this weird mismash goin' on. It reminds me ever so slightly of Drive, which started out as Magnolia-on-wheels (the idea) and quickly became a NASCAResque drama (the delivery).
Here's the thing with FOX's action network identity. What are their biggest shows? Family Guy, House, American Idol, Fringe... What shows do they have which are tanking? Terminator (sorry Summer), Prison Break... What am I saying? FOX. Stop being the action network. It's not what works for you. Here's a radical idea: identify yourself as the quality funny drama network. It's what works for you. Seriously.
[ edited by gossi on 2008-10-26 10:06 ]
gossi | October 26, 09:57 CET
Here's a tip, distract us with more news of cabins and dvds, quickly.
gossi, being the Idol network seems to be what works best for Fox, don't give them ideas to reshuffle, nothing good could come out of that :)
[ edited by jpr on 2008-10-26 10:14 ]
jpr | October 26, 10:07 CET
gossi | October 26, 10:18 CET
White Knight | October 26, 10:50 CET
Lady Brick | October 26, 10:52 CET
Note to self: Do not read Joss-posts first thing in the morning. Neighbors do not appreciate loud squeeing at 5:30 in the morning.
Thanks for the info and humour and for poppycock. That word simply isn't used nearly enough.
I'm getting more and more excited about the show. I swear I'm going to find a countdown clock and set it for the series premiere.
My faith in Joss remains Mt. Everest high; my faith in Fox, not so much.
::continues making Fox executive voodoo dolls and gathering many large pins::
Oh, and ShadowQuest:
having to choose between ASH & Eliza
Tries.
Head explodes.
[ edited by Giles'chainsawchick on 2008-10-26 10:57 ]
Giles'chainsawchick | October 26, 10:53 CET
At the risk of annoying b!x, I must say that my panic level has very slightly increased also. I appreciate all the good stuff that Joss is saying about feedback from people who want it to be easier to catch onto, and in the end that could turn out very well. I guess I'm just a bear of little brain and, since this is the first solid evidence we've had of creative differences between network and creative team, I'm going to go ahead and build just a little bit of worry on it. Previously, I was resisting all rumours and hearsay, but a Joss post carries a little more weight and is forcing me to think about it. But it's okay, I'll make the panic level a nice light cyan colour, and keep it to myself.
skittledog | October 26, 10:55 CET
Their desires were not surprising: up the stakes, make the episodes more stand-alone, stop talking about relationships and cut to the chase.
I hope "stand-alone" doesn't mean a procedural with a mask, right? Like Fringe?
If the pilot was trashed it means we won't have that scene where Eliza talks spanish? Or the one Eliza goes out with an older guy? Or every other thing that happened on the trailer (like the mountain)?
I'm excited about Jane Espenson because she wrote Conversations with Dead People.
Update: About spreading the word, don't worry, everyone in Portugal will know!
[ edited by Rikardo on 2008-10-26 10:59 ]
Rikardo | October 26, 10:57 CET
Lioness | October 26, 11:00 CET
Mirage | October 26, 11:00 CET
ANYWAY, I need to see this new trailer. Where is one of the geeks who recorded it and uploads it to Youtube?
Donnie | October 26, 11:05 CET
with her?
daylight | October 26, 11:05 CET
Ahhhnnnndd relax. OK, feel better about, well, everything now - even that mysterious rash looks like it's clearing up. It seems a pity that some compromising has had to be done (and to be honest I thought from early on that November was being distinctly "under-emphasised" in the promotional stuff) but then that's the really real world for you, you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs (OK, that's more the metaphorically real world cos in the really real one you also need a frying pan, ideally a wooden spatula to preserve the non-stick surface and some kind of heat source).
Must admit, i'm slightly amused to see the odd bit of panic rising now when a month ago we were all saying "Don't Panic !" and yet, by the sounds of Big Dub's post, a month ago things were looking not so great and a bit of panic might even have been justified ;).
Whedon Alert Level: Cute, the colour of !Kittens!
(glad to hear about Jane E hopping aboard)
((and happy belated birthday to theonetruebix and happy just birthday to Mirage ;))
(((and yay, an extra hour ! I'm gonna spend mine contemplating what to do with the extra hour, good times)))
Saje | October 26, 11:09 CET
Action by itself doesn't do it, pity that Showtime took the 'it's all about characters', cause thats a large part of what you're looking for isn't it ?
Now for my favorite hobby, watching how fast the Joss post spreads on the internet.
[ edited by jpr on 2008-10-26 11:21 ]
jpr | October 26, 11:20 CET
I do hope that the original pilot, or at least bits of it end up on the DVD as extras. I was very intrigued by what I saw in the original trailer. But now I wanna see the new trailer. Why has no one put it up yet, huh? A bit slow people! :p
Aviva | October 26, 11:36 CET
But it's good news. And Jane is on board! Thanks, Joss!
*does yippy joy dance to the utter embarassment of the kids*
MysticSlug | October 26, 11:42 CET
I do have to say, I don't think any of us knows if Dollhouse will stick - including the network - until the ratings start to arrive. I really wish FOX would stop saying they have faith in the show and actually start having it, though.
They also really need to order some more episodes at some point soonish. As that's the next Whedon terror colour alert problem, trust me.
gossi | October 26, 11:46 CET
Great news that Jane Espenson's on board!
Thanks also for confirming the Balderdash and Poppycock situation.
er...oops....sorry...! ;-)
[ edited by Rosalind on 2008-10-26 12:18 ]
Rosalind | October 26, 11:52 CET
Nice to see that Dollhouse is back on the right track, can't wait to see it :)
The Buffy fan in me would have liked some news about the comics (a possible crossover between Angel and Buffy, maybe...)or maybe, one can dream, the animated series !
Léo | October 26, 11:58 CET
Let Down | October 26, 11:59 CET
Green Queen | October 26, 12:00 CET
And JANE ESPENSON writing on Dollhouse! WOO-frakking-HOO!
catalyst2 | October 26, 12:11 CET
Along the same note. Has anyone else noticed that when you search for Dollhouse on YouTube, some very strange porn-like stuff comes up? Couldn't find the commercial. Found lots of stuff I wish I hadn't though. I'm off to go scrub my mind now.
MysticSlug | October 26, 12:16 CET
TV without you is a black hole (except for BSG), devoid of meaningful content.
I was so scared of cancellation! Thank the gods it hasn't happened. Your post is most reassuring. CAN'T WAIT!!!
*squeals of Eliza delight*
April | October 26, 12:27 CET
Always glad to see a purple post, especially one that makes with the rumor control. And Mr. Whedon, with respect to the "you're probably close to giving up on this blog," may I suggest that if you ever figure out what would stop Whedonesquers from reading a purple post, you make a movie about it, or at least make it the next Big Bad in "Buffy" S8, because it will not be a small, unnoticeable thing, it will be huge and stompy. And/or Yog Sothoth.
And Happy Birthday theonetruebix and Miracle!
Shapenew | October 26, 12:27 CET
John Darc | October 26, 12:32 CET
I'm really looking forward to Dollhouse, and I'm just sad that everything from the changes on the show, are being played back there with Joss and his peeps against the network. There has been not real public reaction yet. We've been reacting to news about the show, well sourced and non-funded reports, generating different colors of panic colors, but just like back with Buffy season 1, most 13 episodes will already be finalized by the time Fox starts to air it in January. I only wished there were more time, to let us play, well as Joss points out the jury, judge and well, lawyers.
I'll be there supporting the show however I can, sometimes just wished it was more.
Numfar PTB | October 26, 12:34 CET
But really, as previously stated (by many people, again, and again, and again), TV works likes this sometimes. And maybe, just maybe, this isn't a completely bad thing for the show. So once again: Don't worry about the state of a show that's still 11 weeks away from premiering.
Besides, my own personal worry schedule is filled up by Pushing Daisies right now.
Winther | October 26, 12:40 CET
Stephen DeKnight and Jane Espenson both make my Top 5, when it comes to favourite Jossverse writers, so I'm cool with that change, too. I love me some Jane. ♥
Enisy | October 26, 12:53 CET
MysticSlug | October 26, 12:53 CET
Let Down | October 26, 13:03 CET
embers | October 26, 13:07 CET
jpr | October 26, 13:08 CET
[ edited by MysticSlug on 2008-10-26 13:24 ]
MysticSlug | October 26, 13:14 CET
I remember nervously watching "The Train Job" and thinking all kinds of omg!-panicky thoughts, and then Mal kicked that dude into the carbine and I knew Firefly would be good.
I am much more nervous about how FOX will handle the show, but the plans so far -- premiering it midseason with a strong lead-in on Monday nights! It sounds very promising so far. And TV ratings have universally been in the toilet this season, so that's comforting too.
dottikin | October 26, 13:37 CET
Thanks for the update, Joss. Sorry to hear about SDeK, but really happy to hear about JE!
And thanks for a new line that I must find some use for somewhere: "apparently my learning curve has no bendy part."
palehorse | October 26, 14:00 CET
Ha, it's a risk we all have to take sometimes ;). So some of us are panicking more, some of us less? It's nice to get some long posty info, though I think Joss-posts are designed for people who have already had their coffee.
Happy OneTrueDayAfterYourBirthday, b!X, and happy birthday Mirage!
(((and yay, an extra hour ! I'm gonna spend mine contemplating what to do with the extra hour, good times)))
Hey, did your clocks go forward already, Saje? Enjoy your hour, and I'm glad to hear the rash is clearing up, ahem.
ETA Does Joss read this far down? I shoulda said thank you for the nice long posty info :)
[ edited by catherine on 2008-10-26 14:41 ]
catherine | October 26, 14:34 CET
doghouse | October 26, 14:40 CET
Here lies everything
The World I wanted on the net
My victory in Dollhouse is set
You get the idea ;o)
missyu | October 26, 14:53 CET
Madhatter | October 26, 14:58 CET
I think we're seeing what most show creators/runners have to go through, it's just that Joss is a bit more open about the whole process.
Simon | October 26, 15:00 CET
and i love the honesty and humour here...as was said earlier (i think) "if you write it joss, we will come...or watch" :)
buffyfanatic18 | October 26, 15:04 CET
Sorry for all the stress, but you know what they say; stress turns coal into ulcers. Wait, no, it turns into something else, doesn't it? Emmys? Moral superiority? Daleks? Eh, something cool.
Meltha | October 26, 15:11 CET
Well i'm hoping it's the world that's gone forward and our clocks have gone back but now you've got me worried (i've actually made that mistake before ;).
...
Nope, just checked with the speaking clock and they definitely went back. So, what's the future like, do we have flying cars yet ?
(incidentally, any UKers know when the speaking clock turned into frikkin' Tinkerbell (and an American Tinkerbell at that) ? Is it just for today ? Some anniversary that I don't know about or something ?)
Saje | October 26, 15:19 CET
"Heroes - 2008 - Actor - A fantasy series about ordinary people with extraordinary powers."
Did we miss something???? I looked on imdb and saw nothing mentioned there. So what is the stitch about Joss acting in Heroes??? When??? Where??? How don't we know this??? Anyone know anything about this or Joss please tease.
RavenU | October 26, 15:33 CET
Rosalind | October 26, 15:33 CET
I hope Joss won't be bullied out of showing us his vision, as so many people- and not just here in the black- are behind him 100%
missb | October 26, 15:41 CET
But I'm sorry his stress level has, once again, been sorely tested, and glad that he seems to think things are on track now.
redeem147 | October 26, 15:43 CET
Personally, I think Firefly and Battlestar Galactica strike the best balance. Each episode is a complete story on it's own, but most of them are also part of the larger story arc. This is mostly what I've been imagining Dollhouse to be like, and I hope the execs don't push it too far into the "Echo's personality of the week" category.
RaisedByMongrels | October 26, 15:44 CET
Hmm, yeah, not sure how I feel about that, cheers for the info though Rosalind ;).
(Lenny Henry doing it for Comic Relief was one thing but to promote a film ? And it's a pretty annoying voice too, not at all the calm, dulcet tones I was just starting to get used to from the new lady)
Saje | October 26, 15:45 CET
Madhatter | October 26, 15:50 CET
I definitely get what you mean though I love season 5 Angel; and Firefly was standalone too. I reckon if the show gets established and goes past season one it will inevitably become more serialised eg. Angel season 5 which couldn't stay standalone even though it tried
Let Down | October 26, 15:57 CET
Wait, so are you saying you think season 5 of Angel was a dip in quality? Because I'd argue that season 5 had the highest concentration of not-just-good-but-fucking-brilliant episodes of the (or indeed, any) series.
Not saying more stand-alone is always a good thing, I likes me continuity as much as the next nerd, but I just can't follow you there.
Winther | October 26, 16:03 CET
Enisy | October 26, 16:12 CET
SteveP | October 26, 16:17 CET
Madhatter | October 26, 16:25 CET
Winther | October 26, 16:32 CET
alittledarkcorner | October 26, 16:43 CET
I have a feeling responding this far down will get me no where, but my answer is yes. I was completely convinced that Terminator was out with all the discussion of it failing to be renewed (I told quite a few people that it was), and while I'm glad that it's still around, I was honestly surprised about it. Every day I'm wondering if Fringe is going to just disappear into nothingness. As well, what happened with Drive just doesn't seem to be that long ago.
Has the entire philosophy of Fox really changed in that amount of time? I just don't know, considering the behemoth that is a network like that. How fast can it change, anyway?
So that's me being skeptical and cautious of a thing that has burned me in the past.
VeryVeryCrowded | October 26, 16:44 CET
pancakegirl | October 26, 16:51 CET
And alittledarkcorner, which old pilot is that? BTW, wonderful name:)
Madhatter | October 26, 16:52 CET
catherine | October 26, 16:53 CET
The End.
[ edited by Jobo on 2008-10-26 16:56 ]
Jobo | October 26, 16:55 CET
xMadxScientistx | October 26, 17:19 CET
Aha, i'm nicking that catherine. We don't call it 'fall' but I know what it means (and anyway, "Spring forward, Autumn back" is just crazy talk ;).
Saje | October 26, 17:31 CET
Deep sadness for the departure of Steve DeKnight may be fueling my bad feelings, because in spite of the Yay! factor for the addition of Jane E., DeKnight was my best hope for seeing something really out there on the edge.
Remaining hopeful, and Thank You Joss! for the update. It can't be easy finding the time.
Shey | October 26, 17:33 CET
Angel season five survived the transition well to standalones, but it is true that the weakest episodes tended to be standalones. ("Why We Fight" is the big example; while they had arc-y elements, I'd add "Unleashed" in spite of introducing a major character, "Life of the Party".) Of course, "The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco," "Lineage," and "Smile Time" were also absolutely standalone episodes in conception. Really, besides Angel season four, most seasons of Buffy and Angel were based along a mixture of standalone and arc, anyway; I'd say many of the best episodes of the series were ones that advanced the arc by moving at right angles to it with a plot of the week ("Lie to Me," "The Wish," "Earshot," "Hush," "Who Are You," "Once More With Feeling," "Storyteller", "Waiting in the Wings"...). And plus "Are You Now or Have You Ever Been" is a complete standalone, with not all that much direct effect on the show (besides introducing a new character in the Hyperion hotel). VM definitely didn't survive the transition to stnadalones--but then, this is a Whedon show and not a Rob Thomas one.
All that said--I really hope that the show doesn't end up being less cerebral than originally intended. Hopefully the effect of the network is to allow Whedon to broaden the show's scope to do that genre blendiness we all love so well.
WilliamTheB | October 26, 17:40 CET
DVD extras are hopefully big.
JadeHand | October 26, 17:44 CET
I absolutely can't wait for this show!
wonderflonium | October 26, 17:50 CET
[ edited by impalergeneral on 2008-10-26 18:00 ]
impalergeneral | October 26, 17:59 CET
The show is alive and I have full faith in Joss that it's gonna be mindblowing.
A big welcome hug to Jane. Can this get any better?
PS*
Batten down the hatches, here comes hurricane Eliza. *Cordystyle* :D
rafaboreanaz | October 26, 18:03 CET
Irrel | October 26, 18:04 CET
LOVE LOVE LOVE
Buffy the Slayer Layer | October 26, 18:04 CET
Now I can't grade papers, because I need to talk about this all day long!
Thank youDamn you, Joss!Edited because I was thinking in Swedish...
[ edited by Nebula1400 on 2008-10-26 18:12 ]
Nebula1400 | October 26, 18:09 CET
I am a little bummed that DeKnight isn't going to be involved anymore, but I am excited that Jane is coming aboard because I have always enjoyed the episodes of Joss' shows that Jane has written. So, sad that we're losing DeKnights action-savvyness, but happy we are gaining Espenson's humour! I'll call that a win.
Nolan | October 26, 18:10 CET
Caroline | October 26, 18:12 CET
Nebula1400 | October 26, 18:13 CET
"At 2 a.m. on November 2, 2008, groggy Americans will turn their clocks back one hour, marking the end of Daylight Saving Time (DST).
The federal law that established "daylight time" in the United States does not require any area to observe daylight saving time. But if a state chooses to observe DST, it must follow the starting and ending dates set by the law. From 1986 to 2006 this was the first Sunday in April to the last Sunday in October, but starting in 2007, it is observed from the second Sunday in March to the first Sunday in November, adding about a month to daylight saving time."
'cause...it hasn't happened yet! I woke up & my VCR was off an hour from my watch, bedroom clock & computer. As my mother suggested, it didn't listen to Bush.
ShadowQuest | October 26, 18:13 CET
Let Down | October 26, 18:15 CET
"I know, I'm not funny." -Felicia Day, The Guild
Great post, Joss. Many thanks for the updates.
Buffysmglover | October 26, 18:18 CET
Madhatter | October 26, 18:20 CET
Also, Saje, you guys are getting the flying cars first because you're still in the future. Just not as far in the future as you were yesterday.
jcs | October 26, 18:24 CET
Thanks for the update, Joss. I'm really looking forward to Dollhouse.
m'cookies actual | October 26, 18:27 CET
swanjun | October 26, 18:32 CET
falina | October 26, 18:34 CET
That embedded ad was posted to YouTube in like May (or was it March, I don't remember and I'm too lazy to reclick), so that's likely not it. Doesn't quite match the description either.
And what took Jane so long????
For one thing, she was writing the BSG movie The Plan.
[ edited by theonetruebix on 2008-10-26 18:42 ]
The One True b!X | October 26, 18:39 CET
The UK has a speaking clock? Why don't we have a speaking clock?
Something to do with tea jcs ? I don't use it often cos it's actually quite dear (30p per call) but when I was a kid we used to call it 'Tim' and ring it all the time, just cos.
And fair point about the footoor. **spoilers** We don't have flying cars yet BUT the sun has set so rest easy on that score, I know it can sometimes be a worry **end spoilers**.
Saje | October 26, 18:40 CET
Linnea1928 | October 26, 18:46 CET
I must admit to being kind of crushed about DeKnight's departure--he's one of my favorites--but that's fabulous news about Jane Espenson.
As for everything else, I don't know if I'm more or less confidant now because I'm doing that thing I do where I don't let myself really think about Dollhouse at all...because if I do, I just get way too excited, and then it's impossible to wait. I shove it to the side of my mind and let the fact of its mere existence warm me. Like not looking directly at the sun. Or something. That analogy made way more sense in my head.
Lirazel | October 26, 18:51 CET
Didn't Joss say in a interview that Dollhouse couldn't afford Jane (or something to that effect).
Simon | October 26, 19:01 CET
1. The road to “Ah-hah!” mountain runs through the valley of “Ah-fuck!”
2. This = best date for posting. AFAIC. THX. I mean that, and not in some obscure George Lucash way.
3. What would have happened to Spike if Joyce had served him this cocoa?
*That word doesn't mean what you think it means, if you think it means what I did. Strangely, it still works, though only during long breaks.
Pointy | October 26, 19:02 CET
Saje | October 26, 19:08 CET
Pointy | October 26, 19:12 CET
catherine | October 26, 19:20 CET
I am giddy in a pathetic way.
Jobo | October 26, 19:32 CET
swanjun | October 26, 19:48 CET
cookiepartier | October 26, 19:55 CET
***crickets chripping*** and age is showing.
Ok so it's just me then, I thought so.
RavenU | October 26, 20:01 CET
Yes, if you're an American and your VCR or other programmable-type clock fell back an hour so you went ahead and changed all your other clocks -- well, you're going to be late for work.
cabri | October 26, 20:08 CET
Anyway, thanks for posting, Joss. I'm even more excited for the show after this, something which I did not believe to be humanly possible. (It is possible I am not human.)
Apparently I'm also adding parenthetical statements at the end of every paragraph now. (Like this.)
UnpluggedCrazy | October 26, 20:31 CET
gossi | October 26, 20:36 CET
Eep! It's contagious. (Or not.)
catherine | October 26, 20:38 CET
The One True b!X | October 26, 20:39 CET
Violekath | October 26, 20:40 CET
With the exception of UnpluggedCrazy that is.
Madhatter | October 26, 20:41 CET
Madhatter | October 26, 20:47 CET
UnpluggedCrazy, parentheticals are a computer disease for me. I never used them till I got my first computer, but I haven't stopped using them since.
Giles'chainsawchick | October 26, 20:48 CET
BTW, i'm pretty sure it's perfectly correct, certainly in American usage but to my eye there's just something fundamentally wrong with having the full stop inside the parenthesis, it just looks badly nested, like you're ending the sentence and then continuing it after you've marked the end. Wonder if that's just my vestigial programmer coming to the fore.
Saje | October 26, 20:49 CET
Probably, Saje, as I'm experiencing the same thing :).
GVH | October 26, 20:52 CET
The One True b!X | October 26, 20:56 CET
So guilty am I.
Madhatter | October 26, 18:20 CET
Yeah, I'd like to know too :(
Angel TheVampire | October 26, 21:02 CET
And I've been using too many parentheses (and dashes and ellipses) for years, long before I ever heard of Mr. Whedon.
Rachelkachel | October 26, 21:03 CET
(.(.(.(.(The nerve.).).).).
(Und I forgotted to say before that I'm sorry Steve DeKnight is moving on, but so glad for the re-entry of !Jane ("!Kittens!") Espenson back into Whedonia, of which Hail.).
QuoterGal | October 26, 21:10 CET
Actually, that rule is in Strunk and White's Elements of Style.
And one should never pass up a good parenthetical.
ETA: edited because I finally figured out how to do italics. Talk about learning curves. How long have I been hanging around here, and I'm only just now figuring it out? Pathetic.
[ edited by MysticSlug on 2008-10-26 21:28 ]
MysticSlug | October 26, 21:10 CET