December 07 2008
Sci Fi Wire uses random YouTube commenters to pronounce Dollhouse DOA.
It was going to get posted here at some point, so I thought I'd engage in some editorial angling of my own via the link title.
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NYPinTA | December 07, 21:35 CET
firefly4ever | December 07, 21:38 CET
electricspacegirl | December 07, 21:41 CET
Maybe I should make random youtube comments about how the show will succeed and have a successful 10 year run with dozens of Emmys.
I love your tags, b!X.
crazygolfa | December 07, 21:41 CET
ETA: crazygolfa, seems we had the same initial reaction. Except I type slower. heh.
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Jav | December 07, 21:43 CET
Oh wait...
NYPinTA | December 07, 21:44 CET
Leading their article off with YouTube comments was a dumb move, given that the article is actually about their 7 valid points about why Dollhouse is in trouble (not DOA =).
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jam2 | December 07, 21:44 CET
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Lirazel | December 07, 21:44 CET
dreamlogic | December 07, 21:46 CET
cabri | December 07, 21:46 CET
jcs | December 07, 21:47 CET
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@theonetruebix | December 07, 21:47 CET
There's no end to how annoyed this one makes me. There's no snappy dialogue in the trailer?
I'm cutting myself off there for the good of everyone.
sumogrip | December 07, 21:47 CET
@theonetruebix | December 07, 21:50 CET
Frankly that internet opinion poll is a joke if it doesn't also include comments from blogs, twitter, social networks, and boingboing. Also a few blog entries by Nate Silver tearing it apart for undersampling lolcats.
Sunfire | December 07, 21:50 CET
@theonetruebix | December 07, 21:53 CET
Sunfire, Nate Silver reference FTW.
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IrrationaliTV | December 07, 21:53 CET
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dreamlogic | December 07, 21:54 CET
I think this article is trying to induce a PANIC! Why else would they use youtube commenters. If they used industry insiders, I'd lend more weight this column.
crazygolfa | December 07, 21:56 CET
Hee.
jcs | December 07, 22:05 CET
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Effulgent | December 07, 22:08 CET
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PuppetDoug | December 07, 22:17 CET
Yeah, they had their spin, but I don't think you can just write this off as "youtube comments, pah!" What's all this about Friday night? And throwing out the pilot all together? Really?
You have to admit, it doesn't sound good, and it has nothing to do with being framed with youtube comments. I'm not one to fall for obvious spin, but it seems like there's been some of that done by Joss and co as well. As would be expected cause that's how it's done. Everything's fine! Friday night is a GREAT timeslot! If I could have picked any time of the week, that would be the one!
Maybe that's the hurdle I can't get over. Anyone familiar with the industry could possibly explain how this is in any way not a bad sign? Excuse me while I look up "Friday Night Death Slot" on Wikipedia, my interest is piqued.
ailiel | December 07, 22:18 CET
Please.
I'll form my own opinions when the show airs. I'll decide for myself, after actually watching the show - myself. I am the viewing public and I have a brain. Thank you very much.
mongorules | December 07, 22:28 CET
BTW: please try in your comments not to break one of this site's golden rules, which is to not bash other sites (or, indeed, writers). Thanks.
SoddingNancyTribe | December 07, 22:30 CET
kishi | December 07, 22:45 CET
BTW, b!x, I really liked your tag "overblown anti-hype". Well played, sir.
Linnea1928 | December 07, 22:48 CET
missb | December 07, 22:53 CET
Simon | December 07, 23:19 CET
dulce_serenidad | December 07, 23:47 CET
kerfuffle | December 07, 23:48 CET
Having read the script for the original first episode "Echo", I can say, without hesitation, that the dialogue is great. Sure, the show has changed a lot since then, but it's still Joss, and I laughed out loud quite a few times while reading that script.
Racoon Boy | December 07, 23:50 CET
angelbuffy0 | December 08, 00:33 CET
Daburcor | December 08, 00:37 CET
kungfubear | December 08, 00:49 CET
At least you'll get a chance to see it. It's still not been picked up in the UK despite other shows getting snatched up.
Simon | December 08, 00:56 CET
Still optimistic myself but if this show dies quickly the headstone should say, 'Killed by the internet, a lot.'.
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jpr | December 08, 01:17 CET
Simon | December 08, 01:21 CET
EX | December 08, 01:30 CET
Throwaway references to Youtube aside, this article makes some very good points. Granted, not points that regular Whedonesque readers haven't heard before, but not everybody's so lucky to be ... such an enthusiastic Whedon follower.
It has frustrated me somewhat that the Dollhouse promos have yet to include any good dialogue. It's one of Whedon's great strengths, and you'd think it would be an easy enough thing to showcase in a 30 second commercial. Someone in marketing isn't doing their job.
Quit | December 08, 01:37 CET
Reminds me of when i'd forget to do homework and end up having to bodge some rubbish together during registration ;). In short, nothing new, nothing of substance (that hasn't been reported back when it was actually, y'know, news), nothing to see here, move along home.
Saje | December 08, 01:48 CET
Personally, it wouldn't bother me if Joss himself said "This is crap - don't watch it!" When I've seen it for myself, then I'll decide if it's any good.
Also, for some reason, I really like the "Did I fall asleep?" line in the trailer...
-=NeoDoug1=- | December 08, 01:55 CET
I guess I'm trusting Joss to give us a show worth watching, for however long it lasts. If that's only for 13 episodes, well, that's 13 more episodes of Joss tv than we've had in years. If it lasts longer, so much the better. Either way, I'm going to let myself stay excited over Dollhouse, because I'm figuring that whatever happens, I'm still going to get a lot of pleasure out of watching it.
snowinhell | December 08, 01:57 CET
Not only is the article is a pointless rehash of old news it also adds a baseless criticism that the show has 'bad dialogue' because in the very short trailer there was no funny dialogue. Way to make people not want to watch it.
Let Down | December 08, 02:25 CET
For one, snappy or emotional dialogue out of context sounds just lame. You really need to see the whole scene, know the characters and what's going on, to appreciate it.
Secondly, again IMHO, Serenity (the movie) suffered because the funny dialogue in the trailer made people think it was a comedy or even a spoof. And if you made that assumption then it didn't really look that funny. It would have been better to sell it as a straight action movie and have the funny bits as a suprise bonus.
And again, this article makes it sound like every other show on TV had a smooth, perfect, journey to the screen. If this was Buffy starting now what would we have? OMFG! Pilot scrapped! Leading role actress fired and replaced! Scenes reshot months later!
zz9 | December 08, 02:28 CET
Again, I could be wrong and this might happen more often than I realise but it seems to me like Dollhouse has been dogged by negativity from day one and every single setback has been blown out of proportion. Some maybe more worthy than others (the move to Friday being an obvious example of justified worrying) but all adding together to make Dollhouse feel like a show you would be an idiot to even bother to watch, because it might as well have been called "Cancel Me Now!".
Honestly, I'm just glad I'm not Joss, Eliza or anyone else on the cast and crew because this really must be one of the toughest shows they have ever had to work on. How hard must it be for them to feel positive about what they are doing when all they see is negativity in every Dollhouse article?
Highlander | December 08, 03:37 CET
She works for Sci Fi though, right? Maybe this is their attempt to safeguard Friday nights for their own shows. Make sure Dollhouse and Terminator fail to prevent any science fiction fans straying to FOX. Sneaky, sneaky Sci Fi types! ;)
Highlander | December 08, 03:53 CET
They compiled all the negative comments they could find about DollHouse into one Article, with hardly any attempt at including positive comments. Bad Journalism... Good attempt at Snarky Hype. It got them linked to Whedonesque.
TDBrown | December 08, 04:50 CET
And it seems a little silly to see the SciFi channel's news service talk about how Friday night is a death slot for genre television. I know they are a cable network and don't need to numbers of the major networks, but Friday is the only night the SciFi channel actually shows science fiction.
theclynn | December 08, 04:53 CET
"Echo Chamber" would be a perfect title.
Eric_Curtis | December 08, 05:00 CET
montresor | December 08, 05:01 CET
aus-mitch | December 08, 05:53 CET
Eliza has never looked better.
Litwall | December 08, 06:44 CET
This article just recycled all the negative hype and nothing else.
Spacegirl3200 | December 08, 06:51 CET
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gossi | December 08, 07:02 CET
barboo | December 08, 07:19 CET
Harry Potter And the Ghosts Who Won't Stay Dead?
"Echo Chamber" would be a perfect title.
That's going to be my review blog name, thankyouverymuch.
Sunfire | December 08, 07:20 CET
Dana5140 | December 08, 07:42 CET
You're welcome. I thought it was kind of low-hanging fruit at first, but it does work nicely.
Eric_Curtis | December 08, 07:55 CET
I'm with you in that one!
I think this article deserves an award as "the stupidest article of the year". On a second thought, maybe it would be more appropriated "the stupidest article... ever".
Bad dialog? Because of the trailer? WTF?
THESE GUYS ARE INSANE!!!!!!!
You don't? I do... *Just kidding*
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Ricardo L. | December 08, 08:34 CET
Shapenew | December 08, 08:47 CET
Maybe its just me.
PaulfromSunnydale | December 08, 09:00 CET
doghouse | December 08, 09:06 CET
As far as Friday being the "death slot" -- that may be the case with non-genre series being moved into the time prior to cancellation. But as X-Files demonstrated, genre TV can do well on Fridays, 'cause the popular wisdom goes, the nerds are home on Friday nights.
These days, of course, with time-shifting due to DVRs and Internet-viewership, it may not be an issue where series are placed on the schedule any longer. Plus, with the economy in shambles, who's going out?
Whedonage | December 08, 09:07 CET
I mean, Rosie Live! had better respect before it aired that Dollhouse is getting now, and it's really getting out of hand. Let's just wait until February 13th, and see what it has.
Besides, why should a trailer about a new drama have comedy?
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impalergeneral | December 08, 09:51 CET
DaddyCatALSO | December 08, 09:55 CET
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flamepulse | December 08, 10:02 CET
With Firefly the main problem was, I think, the inaccesability of the concept. While people I got to watch it all loved it, there also were I lot of people I never could get to watch, because they wouldn't watch a Sci-fi Western in a million years. The concept of Dollhouse sounds a lot more accesable to me. If it is anywhere near as good as Firefly (which I think it will be, I believe Dollhouse will most likely be mindblowingly great) people are going to watch it, talk about it and suits are going to realise they have gold in their hands and if it isn't working on fridays they'll find another place. And in the unlikely event that it won't be any good, well maybe then we won't get more, but then I wouldn't want Joss to waste his time on it anyway.
Wishfull thinking? Maybe. But even if 13 hours is all we're going to get, I'm still glad we got that. 13 hours would still be more then any move it would take 2 or 3 years to not get of the ground, so yay television!
BTW, great post Shapenew, well put and agree with everything you say (though I'm not sure we should talk to much about "Geffuffle", the absence of bad press is the only thing the poor show has going for it, let's not put a final nail in the coffin, shall we)
And while I like the civality we usually have here I do appreciate highlander pointing out what seems to be a genuine bias.
And finally a non-related question: Interesting to hear you like the US Life on Mars, Whedonage, have you also watched the british one and would you recommend it to fans of the original if you have?
the Groosalugg | December 08, 10:12 CET
And this article didn't seem premeditated to have some sort of network vs network bias. It is just silly negativity and not so well researched.
IrrationaliTV | December 08, 10:21 CET
*kneels before the fount of hilarity that is Sunfire*
BrewBunny | December 08, 10:24 CET
missmuffet | December 08, 10:26 CET
Personally I blamed the constant preempting of Firefly (about 1/3 of the aired shows were aired after midnight) for the fact that the show couldn't grow an audience. I had a lot of friends who loved the show but gave up because they could never figure out when it would be on. If Dollhouse just has a consistent time slot then I think it will do better than Firefly did.
embers | December 08, 10:34 CET
Dana5140 | December 08, 10:59 CET
This is either disingenuous or naïve - it happens all the time in TV, film - or, indeed, any other art or business. "This thing you've created is not all all what we thought we talked about when we didn't want to get bogged down in specifics, and we told you you had us at hello." *sigh* Of course this can happen.
"Really? The creator of the show had to reshoot something three times, and it still didn't work? "
Ditto. Happens all the time. - would think she'd know that. Or maybe not.
Sorry she didn't get any yucks off the trailer for this drama. She says she's a Buffy-fan. Maybe she's upset it's not Buffy. *sigh*
"Some are calling her "tired-looking" in the trailer and saying she seems bored. "
This was just ugly. Why report the judgmental tripe that some fan - allegedly - said about the radiant female that is Eliza?
Ya know, this was an buzz article about buzz, written as buzz - and with a tone of something sounding almost like the proverbial "disgruntled employee" or somesuch similar "got an axe to grind" thingy - or at least someone looking for some online attention. Not worth much more effort than I've put into this comment - a minute or two.
QuoterGal | December 08, 11:08 CET
Someone correct me if I have this wrong, but this is my understanding of the situation: we don't know how Firefly would've done with audiences. Maybe it wouldn't have caught on. But the problem is that, because of the timeslots and preempting and everything, it didn't get a chance to engage or not engage viewers, because viewers didn't know about it or didn't know where to watch it.
sumogrip | December 08, 11:25 CET
In Alias, I never thought Sydney Bristow was anyone other than Sydney Bristow regardless of whether she was in a bright blue wig and bondage outfit, or in a business suit. I'm not worried.
will.bueche | December 08, 11:26 CET
This reminds me of people saying that SMG looked bored and unenthusiastic during S6. Hello! Fiction! Acting! Did you not get the theme of season six?
If Eliza looks "tired" in a scene it's because the director wants the character to look tired.
zz9 | December 08, 11:39 CET
Xyon | December 08, 11:44 CET
I mean, honestly, folks. The bad buzz has reached the point where it may, unfairly, do some real damage. It sucks. Which, in my opinion, the trailer dialogue most assuredly does not.
phlebotinin | December 08, 11:44 CET
Xyon | December 08, 11:48 CET
Actually, best will in the world, I think that was also lifted from a blog post and I think it might even have been from here. In the thread for the 3 part set visit a few days back where we see Eliza and Joss answer questions about the time-slot etc. a couple of people commented that they both looked a bit down and kind of tired (not blaming those posters or casting aspersions in any way, we should be free to call it like we see it, no-matter which "journalist" might be reading).
In Alias, I never thought Sydney Bristow was anyone other than Sydney Bristow regardless of whether she was in a bright blue wig and bondage outfit, or in a business suit.
Without in any way judging Eliza (cos I haven't seen her in it yet), Sydney Bristow was meant to be in disguise, she wasn't meant to be an entirely different person each week (i.e. she had to fool her enemies, she didn't have to fool us). That combined with the fact that most of the "characters" she played were simply excuses to get Jennifer Garner into dominatrix outfits or her skimpies mean it's not really a fair comparison IMO.
... we don't know how Firefly would've done with audiences. Maybe it wouldn't have caught on.
Yep, that's my understanding too. And the whole thing where the feature length $10 million pilot (that, IMO, perfectly introduces the setting and characters) was bumped and Joss and Tim had to write a new pilot ('The Train Job') over a weekend couldn't have helped.
Saje | December 08, 11:48 CET
I've seen tv shows where the tired character doesn't look tired. They tend to be the ones where kids become teenagers overnight after 3 years of babydom, and people's twins are discovered astonishingly late in life only to dastardly rig someone's car brakes so that they go off a cliff. And there's amnesia. Lots of amnesia.
Sunfire | December 08, 11:52 CET
@theonetruebix | December 08, 11:52 CET
Saje | December 08, 11:56 CET
im not saying that those numbers will mean success but it will go a ways in helping. what i am saying is that a employee of scifi is saying that friday night is a dead zone for tv when they have in fact been very successful.
flamepulse | December 08, 11:58 CET
Firefly was a totally different situation than Dollhouse. FOX greenlit Firefly because it was a 'Joss Whedon project', not because they understood the concept or story that Joss was trying to sell; as a result, they gave the series very little in the way of support, pre-empted it, and aired the episodes out of order, all of which resulted in poor ratings... which they then used as an excuse to cancel the series. Conversely, with Dollhouse, FOX has been nothing but supportive of the series from the moment that Joss and Eliza pitched it. Although Kevin Reilly has apparently admitted to being a bit 'awestruck' during Joss and Eliza's first pitch session, which may have affected how much of the initial pitch he actually heard, he nevertheless greenlit the series based solely on said pitch, and picked up 7 episodes of the series before a pilot had even been written. It was only during the course of normal production that changes started to be made based on interaction and feedback between Joss and the execs at FOX, and it was Joss himself who instigated many of those changes (including the writing and shooting of a second pilot).
DigificWriter | December 08, 12:00 CET
Yep, that's my understanding too. And the whole thing where the feature length $10 million pilot (that, IMO, perfectly introduces the setting and characters) was bumped and Joss and Tim had to write a new pilot ('The Train Job') over a weekend couldn't have helped. "
But, you know, this is sort of my point. The fact is, the program failed specifically because it failed to garner enough viewers. Despite all else, desite whatever reason people wish to advance, Firefly did not make it because it did not have enough viewers. My question was designed to get at the why; the CW here is always solely that it was Fox's fault for forcing the rewrite of the pilot and putting it on Friday night and then not waiting long enough. But there are always excuses why a show fails- Pushing Daisies just failed, for example. And what reason is there- well, the strike took too long, it is too quirky, it is this and it is that, whatever, and the fact is, it is going off the air because not enough people are watching it. I know I state the obvious.
But it is also saddening here. First, it is saddening that this article is yet another jumping on the "Dollhouse is dead" bandwagon or the Joss schadenfreude bandwagon, before the show ever has a chance to air. No matter how you cut it, this kind of speculation cannot help. Yes, it is equally obvious that the show has not yet aired. Yes, people should watch before they make an opinion on whether it will succeed. But even development issues play a role in whether a show succeeds. And it is saddening as well to see all the comments here, for the umpteenth million time, defending the show by dismissing the comments of people whose jobs actually ask them to speculate on matters such as this. I hate to say it, but they cannot be so easily dismissed, because they influence opinion. This is a josscentric board, of course, so the defense comes easy. But this is not such an easy situation here- no matter what, this speculation cannot be helping.
Dana5140 | December 08, 12:04 CET
But, you know, this is sort of my point. The fact is, the program failed specifically because it failed to garner enough viewers.
Yeah, true. As you say, spectacularly obvious (since in the US, ultimately, that's why all programmes that fail fail) but true for all that.
Not really seeing what you're saying on this one Dana5140. Negative buzz is bad ? Programmes fail because not enough people watch them ? Fans tend to be biased towards what they're fans of ? All pretty dog bites man, surely ?
Saje | December 08, 12:21 CET
I definitely get your point that it is not untoward to ask how successfully articulated the Dollhouse concept is and how it might play out for audiences. Shows do fail, good ones and bad, and as you point out, there are reasons for these failures. But I don't think this article asks anything in any meaningful way. I think a lot of people here are not dismissing the Scifi piece out of fear of some sad reality or sad set of undeniable facts, but because the piece frankly tells us nothing new. Moreover, it taints itself by building a case using fan-feedback on....what? On reports like itself about bad buzz and production issues. I find this vastly irritating and not helpful. I feel fine questioning this piece because I think it isn't good journalism. Point me to a well-written piece with some new, hard info and I'll be happy (in a morbid way) to read whatever questioning might be posed.
phlebotinin | December 08, 12:25 CET
Saje | December 08, 12:33 CET
'Zackly - not a big fan of "web-comment-based & buzz-gossipy-flavored-rehash-journalism" - & while we're at it, I'd vastly prefer articles written without that particular "faux surprised" tone.
QuoterGal | December 08, 12:35 CET
And nothing will ever be the same again... until the next commercial break.
Dana5140: The fact is, the program failed specifically because it failed to garner enough viewers.
Yes, but the point people bring up is: if the program didn't get mistreated, just an average amount of treatment, would it have garnered enough viewers?
I could easily say that fifth episode of Drive failed to garner enough viewers. But it would be tough to pin that all on the episode, considering the network didn't air the episode.
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OneTeV | December 08, 12:36 CET
We all just want "Dollhouse" to succeed so badly that you can just smell the waves of fear emanating from the ether.
I've always thought it interesting that first Sci-fi writers imagine something and then later it becomes manifested. There is just enough disturbing information out there right now about the process, the production, and the PR surrounding "Dollhouse" to plant these annoying and pesky seeds of fear.
None of that though, has ANYTHING to do with the actual product.
*portentous voice* "Let these seeds of fear find only rocky ground!"
I mean, does anyone have any doubts, honestly, that it will be anything less that fabulous. Even Joss's bad is... well, not really bad, but instead maybe just not a particular person's cup of tea or maybe a little light weight compared to his highest degree of excellence. He just sets that bar so damn high. The best creativity thrives on a few challenges and limitations after all.
We don't need a lemming rush here, people. Let's try to stop imagining the worst. If enough people believe something to be true, they can generally make it happen.
Let's use our powers for good. We are the mighty Whedon Nation!
*Did you hear the crowd roar?* ;)
I mean come on...writers strike? Can't Stop the Serenity? Dr. Horrible sales? We make miracles happen here on a regular basis. Or at least help them along a bit. :)
BreathesStory | December 08, 12:47 CET
I am at a point in my life where I feel that the only thing that matters is quality. Or, I wish it did. Some people think JJ Abrams is God. I have never been able to watch any of his shows. Ever. I've tried. I love Joss. But I have no idea whether I will like Dollhouse. I might. I might not. Whether I do or not has nothing to do with the fact Joss created it. It will simply be whether or not I engage. My suspician right now is that I will not have a point of identification- Echo is basically a cypher, whose humanity is revealed slowly over time. I am not sure that will work for me. I'll certainly take a look, but I am not certain whether this is going to really engage to where I invest.
Unless, of course, it has lesbians. :-)
Dana5140 | December 08, 13:05 CET
I really kind of resent this idea that because we don't rate this specific article we must all have our heads in the sand - we know stuff like this isn't helping. We know the points are (mostly) valid or at least factually accurate but they're not NEW and they're often not backed up (in this article) by anything except blog posts and the opinions of random internet farties just like us (in some cases, as I say, possibly actually us).
Which is why this specific article has taken a bit of a pasting. Not, just to repeat, because we're all wandering around in some Panglossian wonderland singing to the trees and just knowing in our heart of hearts that there's absolutely nothing to worry about and absolutely no merit to any of the "troubled production" articles out there.
Saje | December 08, 13:32 CET
barboo | December 08, 13:41 CET
toast | December 08, 13:45 CET
IrrationaliTV | December 08, 13:49 CET
Whoops. Sorry about that, barboo, lalala, I think my toga must have slipped off.
Ah, that was you toast ? In that case, whose window is this ?
(actually, I talk to the trees. But they don't listen to me)
Saje | December 08, 13:56 CET
*puts toga back on, too.*
My bad. Hot flash. Forgive.
QuoterGal | December 08, 14:01 CET
Ahem. Anyway, as I was saying, none of us, none of us at all, are singing to the trees.
Saje | December 08, 14:11 CET
I was starting to post a request for all Whedonesque members to vow to convince at least 2 viewers each to watch the show and that those viewers needed to vow to bring in 2 themselves. Well with about 7000 members, even with the exponential growth, its still a tiny number (just over 50,000). So I’ve already scrapped that idea and decided we need to make up some kind of totally kick-ass water cooler rumor. For example, lets tell everyone that Brad Pitt is in the last 5 minutes of the pilot episode. Or maybe something like, “there’s a ghost on the set and its image is captured in a few scenes in the background if you look really, really closely.”
I don’t care if I have to trick people into watching, as long as the end justifies the means. You know if they watch it, they will be back for more.
Edited to add: If you start Dollhouse at the exact same time you hit play on The Dark Side of the Moon, they are completely in sync!!
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alexreager | December 08, 14:14 CET
Saje | December 08, 14:19 CET
Huh?
PS I'm also not singing to any of the trees.
That'd be cruel to the trees.
NYPinTA | December 08, 14:26 CET
Illuminatum !
(I didn't take real Latin either ;)
When I first saw it (as depicted in the bottom left screen grab on the linked page) it was actually pretty creepy.
Saje | December 08, 14:30 CET
...most people- those not invested in the work Joss does- will never be bothered to actually look at the merit of those reports. They will just jump on the bandwagon of doing what they think the "cool people," ... will do.
Dana5140 | December 08, 22:05 CET
Then it's guaranteed to be a hit. Because where Joss's stuff is concerned, WE are the "cool people," and we're all gonna be watching! :D
Sarrava | December 08, 15:12 CET
Hjermsted | December 08, 15:15 CET
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sumogrip | December 08, 15:43 CET
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will.bueche | December 08, 16:17 CET
sumogrip | December 08, 16:29 CET
will.bueche | December 08, 16:36 CET
And yes, we would call me a "pedant" rather than some other words beginning with "ped."
QuoterGal | December 08, 17:00 CET
I sincerely hope TSCC is okay, for I love it. But there was a lot of question about whether it would get its full order this year, and I am close to certain it will not make it to next year, but I really hope it does. The new add today, the young lady, is superb. Who the heck is she?
Dana5140 | December 08, 19:20 CET
I can't recall another series that had so much hype plus so much access from the moment the concept was announced. Most of the shows that have become huge online hits were limited either (1) by starting before blogging and social networking and pennyante freelance online "journalists" could make this much of an impact or (2) by not making a big splash at their initial concept announcement so interest didn't really start to build until much closer to air date.
The closest to Dollhouse I can think of is Heroes. I joined one of about half a dozen forums 3 1/2 months before Heroes premiered and there were also several news and photo sites, but I don't recall anything like the frenzy over Dollhouse. Firefly, of course, had a lot of internet interest going before it premiered, but at that time old media's interest in the internet wasn't even a tenth of what it is now. Lost and BSG were the same. Of course, I'm a genre girl, so there may be some straight dramas or sitcoms that have achieved Dollhouse-like notoriety that I've missed. Anyone?
You know the new media people at every network and production house are paying attention to the frenzy over Dollhouse, even if its only peripherally. What happens with Dollhouse may well cause shifts in how the interwebs are used for both news and promotion, something like the lowered expectations after Snakes on a Plane underperformed its internet hype. I think Joss did a better job promoting Dr. Horrible (with our help, of course) than Fox is doing promoting Dollhouse. Maybe they should pay him a couple dollars more and make him a new media consultant? ;)
cabri | December 08, 19:56 CET
Or some time to grow! As I said before in another thread, I'm just grateful Joss & Eliza will be back on TV!!
WheelsOfJoy | December 08, 23:33 CET
alexreager | December 09, 07:05 CET