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December 12 2008

Joss Whedon discusses Dollhouse problems. SyFy Portal recaps what Joss said to SFX Magazine.

I just want to mention that this interview was conducted at least a couple of months ago.

See TaraDi's comment below.

[ edited by Simon on 2008-12-12 14:17 ]
Okay, I never saw that. This article was posted yesterday so I thought it was new. You may as well delete this post.
The original interview was posted on here a few days ago.
Okay, I never saw that. This article was posted yesterday so I thought it was new.

The interview is new in the sense that it has just been published in the magazine. So it's perfectly fine for discussion here, I just wanted to make sure that everyone knew when it was conducted (as big things have happened since).

The original interview was posted on here a few days ago.

That's a different interview.
Hey guys, just to clarify I conducted that interview and that's my feature in SFX so I can confirm that interview was conducted the first week of Nov. It's not months old. It's pertinent to the production as of episode seven and to post shut down issues.
Cheers for the clarification.
So to paraphrase: Joss is saying that Fox wouldn't let him make the show he wanted to and he has managed to create a compromise he can live with. Half a Jossvision is better than no Jossvision at all, I guess.
Not a 100% accurate, Lioness. The whole feature is in the next issue of SFX and gives Joss's context and clarity apart from the random quotes SyFy Portal decided to lift.
So the second page is... nothing at all?
I can see the darkened meeting room now:

Joss: So this, the pilot I've just shown you, is the show I want to make. It tells a tale about a woman searching for what's real, reconnecting to her true self, and doing so against an onslaught of sinister, dark forces she's barely aware of. It's a tapestry of pain, of courage, of self discovery, ofÖ

Fox: (a twenty-something MBA) Duuuuude, it needs more car chases. Can it be about car chases? Oh, and wrestling! The Sci-Fi channel added wrestling to their lineup, so we gotta have that, too.

Joss: (his shoulder's slump) ... car chases and wrestling.
If the Fox guys were really that immature, they'd just stare at Eliza the entire time and say, "Sure man, whatever," to whatever Joss proposed... actually, that sounds pretty good for us.

As I read the article, Joss wanted to dive right in to the big questions and the tough episodes, and Fox was saying, "Hang on, man, you can't start doing that kind of thing until people actually want to watch the show." Imagine "The Wish" or "The Body" in Season 1 of Buffy -- it just wouldn't work! He needs to set the stage and hook people in... he needs his "Prophecy Girl" first, to keep the metaphor rolling.
But that was a not so very veiled reference to Firefly there, right?
*clicks Page 2*


Re: page 1 (aka the whole article): Nice bit of added insight from Joss. I hope we get to see his vision pan out. And get that second season. I really want to see him start dealing with the deeper stories, you know, the ones we were only STARTING to get on Firefly before they pulled that plug. (Not that I'm still bitter after all these years).
Itíll be interesting to read the full interview.

I visit that site rarely enough that I always forget the second page is usually a BS hit grab.
In his interview with Jeffrey Berman's The Write Environment series, Joss makes it pretty clear that he understands and appreciates the studio system (notwithstanding the strike issues and going indy with Dr. Horrible) -- by which I understood him to mean the creative process of the studio system.

Whatever any of us might think of how this has played out, positive or negative, I've taken to seeing much of what he says about Dollhouse's process in that light and context.

Part of me (warning: speculation) wonders, and has since the first changes started to be made, if he's been away from network TV for just enough years to have partially forgotten just how the studio system creative process worked. (Especially with his recent quotes about making rookie mistakes.) That would not be entirely unsurprising, a need to re-acclimate oneself to the television process after an absence.
Gotta give props to a man who'd use an expression like "whew, doggy."
Except I thought it was, "Woo, doggy".
Usually it is, i think, or "well doggies"
I'm also seeing "hoo doggy" and "hoo doggies". Stupid language.
I think it's "Whoa doggie."
No, it's "Whoa, Nellie."
Actually, it's "Whoa! Let's apply the brakes and check the rear- and side-view mirrors here"
Actually, it's "Whoa, Betsy." Funny old schtick from Abbot and Costello.
LoL. Enjoyed the Abbot & Costello one.

[ edited by korkster on 2008-12-12 21:35 ]
Having to do what? We all knew what the transcript says. The discussion was over whether or not it was correctly quoted. Heh.
Yeah, bix, I got it a little late. Thanks for pointing it out.
I think "woo doggie" signifies an escape, a clsoe call, whereas "well doggies" signifies a pleasant surprise. I can see perhaps a cousin of Tara's using either expression especially, the latter,a long with "tarnation" and "land sakes" and "bastich" and "boy howdy," but not "yah, you betcha."

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