January 09 2009
Short review of Dollhouse's second pilot.
AfterElton.com (A website for gay and bi men) has a quick mention of the Dollhouse pilot. The author admits he is a fan, but isn't impressed. It's a bit harsh...
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Effulgent | January 09, 00:13 CET
Let Down | January 09, 00:18 CET
J.I.G. | January 09, 00:30 CET
Of course, I still expect it to be a great show. *shrug*
SenseiJJ | January 09, 00:41 CET
Celluloid Novelist | January 09, 01:05 CET
patxshand | January 09, 01:06 CET
I'm worried that Dushku isn't going to be able to pull off a *new* character every week. Perhaps it's like Whedon said and she was just cast in the same role over and over again so we haven't been able to see what she is fully capable of. IDK, I just can't see her playing any sort of sensitive character. She always has that "Imma go kill a bear, cuz I'm a tomboy" vibe.
EX | January 09, 01:28 CET
flugufrelsarinn | January 09, 01:28 CET
Also in the way of terrible predictions went horribly right I predicted that by Jan 09 (before DH was announced as midseason) that the doll in Dollhouse would be cancelled and it would just become House.
Which kind of came true.
I hope the writing can save this and the cast turns out to be the most amazing thing ever and that the first episode is good enough to entrap people into staying with the show. BUT. I'm not sure it will. Train Job didn't work as a Pilot. Joss' original dollhouse pilot was interesting but still didn't seem right. The new one I have less faith in.
So yeah for now I'm gonna hope to be pleasantly surprised.
Lockescythe | January 09, 02:07 CET
swellicon | January 09, 02:17 CET
Aviva | January 09, 02:47 CET
As for the other opinions in this piece, I can't comment on Supernatural (never watched it), I've grown to love T:TSCC and I'm very excited about the final half-season of BSG but I do have this annoying voice in the back of my head telling me I'm heading for huge disappointments with it. So I totally get where the writer is coming from regarding BSG.
nyrk | January 09, 03:08 CET
And seriously, I love love Summer Glau so I really tried to watch T:SCC but it just wasn't worth having to fight over the remote to watch it. Maybe I'd like it if I got it on DVD or something in the future. *Shrugs*
And I don't think he's being bitchy at all. Just stating an opinion. Gotta say I'm still excited and all, because I think Eliza is awesome and everything, but well, ya know, I'm just wondering how they are going to pull this off. XD
I'm sure it'll be good as it gets further into the season (if the plug is not pulled like immediately but I'm a pessimist so...) but I'm not sure the pilot will be all OMG amazing. If it does turn out that way, then I'm wrong and that's okay. That happens. XD
druzilla | January 09, 03:33 CET
I say that this is an chance for Eliza to show us some acting depth. And besides, I learned a long time ago not to judge a show based on the merits of it's 1st season. Had I cast a judgement at the end of BtVS Season 1, I never would have watched the other 6.
bluesuncompanyman | January 09, 06:11 CET
ETA: I just realized that might look like sarcasm, but it isn't, I assure you.
[ edited by swanjun on 2009-01-09 15:47 ]
swanjun | January 09, 06:47 CET
pongluver | January 09, 08:07 CET
JMaloney | January 09, 08:17 CET
pongluver | January 09, 08:28 CET
Simon | January 09, 08:31 CET
Also, one of the AfterEllen.com bloggers saw the pilot and was disappointed with it as well, just FYI.
edited because i thought hated was a bit much after i typed it.
I'll decide for myself though.
[ edited by edcsLover9 on 2009-01-09 17:52 ]
edcsLover9 | January 09, 08:48 CET
I'm going to watch the show because it's Joss, but I may not like it once I do. I hope I like it, I hope he's able to find the happy place between what he wants and what the network wants, and I'm happy with what results.
But I'll wait till I can have an informed opinion before I either take people to task or agree with those who already have one because they've seen the show.
ETA: I don't know if "take people to task" was the right phrase to use, but I've always wanted to say it.
[ edited by pat32082 on 2009-01-09 18:01 ]
pat32082 | January 09, 08:57 CET
Simon | January 09, 08:59 CET
pat32082 | January 09, 09:03 CET
Also, some of these early reviews aren't very impressed with her performance. =/
[ edited by Rhodey on 2009-01-09 18:04 ]
Rhodey | January 09, 09:04 CET
phlebotinin | January 09, 09:05 CET
We'll no doubt be doing some form of live coverage here so assuming we don't crash from all the interest, everyone is more than welcome to come to Whedonesque's party.
Simon | January 09, 09:07 CET
Having that image of the perpetual *bad girl* isn't Eliza's fault, I think the people who won't let that go are the people who will not be impressed with Eliza....(of course maybe this is Joss' apology to Eliza for starting the ball on that *typecasting*....kidding....sort of)
now i'm rambling, shutting up now :-*
edcsLover9 | January 09, 09:11 CET
NotaViking | January 09, 09:18 CET
Rhodey | January 09, 09:26 CET
Sunfire | January 09, 09:28 CET
edcsLover9 | January 09, 09:28 CET
JMaloney | January 09, 09:31 CET
Pointy | January 09, 09:31 CET
This comment seems out of place on Whedonesque...
moley75 | January 09, 09:36 CET
pat32082 | January 09, 09:38 CET
I, for one, was pretty unimpressed with "Train Job," and was utterly heartbroken when Firefly was canceled. I'm not going to make up my mind about Dollhouse on the basis of one episode.
(I have to say I have my own questions about Dushku's ability to sell me on being a completely different character week after week--but then, as I understand it the point of the show is that she proves recalcitrant to complete wiping/imprinting. So perhaps a certain consistent "Eliza-ness" to all her characters will kinda fit the storyline.)
snot monster from outer space | January 09, 09:40 CET
pat32082 | January 09, 09:50 CET
wiesengrund | January 09, 09:54 CET
But that said, I completely agree with this guy's take on BSG. It has felt like they're making it up as they go along. (Didn't the Robot Chicken guys make the same point with their season opener? It's not like this is a completely out of left field criticism).
barboo | January 09, 10:09 CET
@theonetruebix | January 09, 10:11 CET
JMaloney | January 09, 10:11 CET
I will drag this fandom back to 1999 if it kills me.
Simon | January 09, 10:12 CET
pat32082 | January 09, 10:17 CET
Killer, kick-ass pilot? It's probably not. Hardly any pilot is.
It just needs to be good enough.
Good enough to pull in the viewers. New viewers. Repeat viewers. Viewers that will stick around long enough to bear witness to the unfolding of a brand new world.
You know the stories will be great for the most part.
You know we will fall in love with the characters.
You know our hearts will bleed with them.
What we don't know is whether anyone will show up...besides us, that is.
Will the show's themes tap into the zeitgeist?
Will Joss give 'em what they need?
There's no controlling resonance.
Shit, I just wish they'd put out better ads? Cuz frankly, the trailers they have now are really lacking. They are confusing and well, a bit boring. If I didn't know already know what the project was and what Joss can do...I wouldn't bother based on those ads. Here is the best chance of enticing people to watch, one thing that can be controlled, given the way Dollhouse is being rolled out and I think they are blowing it.
There should be salivating! And drool!
BreathesStory | January 09, 10:39 CET
Dana5140 | January 09, 11:03 CET
Who would win in a fight: Cavemen with phones with hooks, or astronauts with phones without hooks?
@theonetruebix | January 09, 11:07 CET
Sunfire | January 09, 11:15 CET
@theonetruebix | January 09, 11:18 CET
Sunfire | January 09, 11:25 CET
NYPinTA | January 09, 11:26 CET
Then again, the one time I played Ninja Ropes, I sucked.
@theonetruebix | January 09, 11:27 CET
Post about it on our Geocities site!
Simon | January 09, 11:32 CET
NYPinTA | January 09, 11:32 CET
arewere on phones with hooks!@theonetruebix | January 09, 11:35 CET
Sunfire | January 09, 11:35 CET
@theonetruebix | January 09, 11:37 CET
NYPinTA | January 09, 11:40 CET
pat32082 | January 09, 11:41 CET
NYPinTA | January 09, 11:45 CET
Sunfire | January 09, 11:47 CET
sumogrip | January 09, 12:10 CET
[ edited by wiesengrund on 2009-01-09 21:23 ]
wiesengrund | January 09, 12:15 CET
catherine | January 09, 12:21 CET
Pure speculation: That's my suspicion at this point.
@theonetruebix | January 09, 12:25 CET
ETA: and I've not seen any ads.
[ edited by NYPinTA on 2009-01-09 21:26 ]
NYPinTA | January 09, 12:25 CET
IrrationaliTV | January 09, 12:32 CET
@theonetruebix | January 09, 12:33 CET
I'm not sure that how it does against Bruce Almighty will tell us much of anything about how it will do against Dollhouse.
@theonetruebix | January 09, 12:48 CET
I think you're all forgetting that cavemen were not hulking huge guys, most were shorter than 5 feet. So I always go with astronauts!
And I won't be having a viewing party for Dollhouse because I'll be working. *cries* And I will have to not be online that night too because everyone will be buzzing about Dollhouse. :( *cries some more*
cabri | January 09, 13:01 CET
Dollouse, though, that I will have.
@theonetruebix | January 09, 13:07 CET
cabri | January 09, 13:24 CET
And if anybody calls me between 8 and 9 Friday, the 13th, they'll be sent to the special hell.
sumogrip | January 09, 13:36 CET
No, but it will start to give us a general idea of how it does and how it gets affected (if at all) when Dollhouse starts up. It'll also help with determining a baseline number that Dollhouse will need to reach for.
Also, cabri's point about perma-viewers.
JMaloney | January 09, 13:41 CET
SteppeMerc | January 09, 14:17 CET
toast | January 09, 14:43 CET
Little Green Kid | January 09, 14:49 CET
cabri | January 09, 15:30 CET
BSC? Baby Sitters' Club? What channel!?!
Invisible Green | January 09, 16:49 CET
Dana5140 | January 09, 16:49 CET
"Some people juggle geese."
SenseiJJ | January 09, 20:49 CET
SteppeMerc | January 09, 22:15 CET
@theonetruebix | January 09, 22:18 CET
Fox meanwhile got 4.2 million viewers for Bruce Almighty (1.6 in the demo).
helcat | January 10, 09:46 CET
My guess is Dollhouse will live around the 2.5 rating in the demo.
wiesengrund | January 10, 09:49 CET
helcat | January 10, 09:57 CET