Excited!

Anonymous1 | February 08, 18:31 CET

I forgot that was this weekend...it both excites and saddens. Somewhere far away, a ton of people are running through a huge comic show and I'm so jealous! When you add the fact that they are about to see a Joss panel...as they say in NY, fogetaboutit.

alexreager | February 08, 19:03 CET

Whitney Matheson is tweeting it.

The One True b!X | February 08, 19:17 CET

Here is a photo.

The One True b!X | February 08, 19:19 CET

I'm collating live coverage here.

gossi | February 08, 19:20 CET

Multiple twits reporting this quote: "I'm just a bitter, sad man, and this is my bitter, sad show. Welcome to it!"

The One True b!X | February 08, 19:20 CET

Apparently Joss just announced a Dr Horrible sequel. Note the apparently.

[ edited by gossi on 2009-02-08 19:33 ]

gossi | February 08, 19:33 CET

Someone just tweeted "Joss just confirmed dr horrible sequel!!!" so we'll see how long before people get talked down to whatever less immediate comment he actually made.

The One True b!X | February 08, 19:34 CET

Twitter search for joss and for dollhouse.

The One True b!X | February 08, 19:36 CET

My favourite twitter so far is "FUCK YOU WHEDON!!!". That's a bit like the lorry driver who got a bit angry at Tim over Drive.

gossi | February 08, 19:38 CET

Smattering of comments about the footage shown. A couple of "good" and one remark saying it was like watching the party scene in Cloverfield. (Not sure how, or what that means.)

The One True b!X | February 08, 19:40 CET

"Joss making a torrent of BSG jokes." (via itsbecca)

[ edited by The One True b!X on 2009-02-08 19:41 ]

The One True b!X | February 08, 19:40 CET

b!X - I suspect they meant the party scene in Cloverfield was a bit lame, they wanted the cool stuff (i.e. the monster smashing things up).

gossi | February 08, 19:42 CET

Apparently people who attend NYCC don't know how to use Twitter to help the rest of us.

The One True b!X | February 08, 19:44 CET

Well to be honest if it were me, I'd rather be paying attention to what Tahmoh and Joss were saying rather than use a mobile phone or laptop.

Simon | February 08, 19:48 CET

Yes, but you'd think that statistically speaking there'd be enough people in the room who feel otherwise. I seem to recall better information flow out of San Diego Comic-Con panels.

The One True b!X | February 08, 19:49 CET

"I think I speak for everyone here when I say Nathan [Fillion]'s a cock." - Joss Whedon via priscellie

[ edited by The One True b!X on 2009-02-08 19:50 ]

The One True b!X | February 08, 19:50 CET

We've got somebody at the panel, but they're not twitterin' it.

In unrelated news, CBS have done some scheduling stuff against Dollhouse. Nothing terribly original, but it shows they're at least pondering Dollhouse's impact to Friday night.

gossi | February 08, 19:50 CET

"Joss Whedon just called Nathan Fillion at the Dollhouse panel. Nathan needs to stop teasing Serenity 2." - marquesstewart

The One True b!X | February 08, 19:51 CET

"Joss wants to do a 'frilly costume drama'. (via itsbecca)

[ edited by The One True b!X on 2009-02-08 19:52 ]

The One True b!X | February 08, 19:52 CET

"There is art and the life you live while making it, both are equally important." - Joss, via DaveyBarrett

The One True b!X | February 08, 19:54 CET

I think Joss may have dropped a hint about Alan Tudyk on Dollhouse. Maybe. Somebody has commented about Alan on Twitter, anyway.

gossi | February 08, 19:55 CET

And we all know that fans at panels are NEVER confused or wrong. ;)

Also, I don't think that person is at the panel.

[ edited by The One True b!X on 2009-02-08 19:59 ]

The One True b!X | February 08, 19:57 CET

[ edited by gossi on 2009-02-08 23:45 ]

gossi | February 08, 19:59 CET

New favourite Twitter - "willmoorexcore: Joss whedon has no shame."

gossi | February 08, 20:00 CET

"Joss Whedon rules. His fans, however, ask long questions." - ShawnMSmith

The One True b!X | February 08, 20:00 CET

Panel's done.

gossi | February 08, 20:01 CET

Somebody should employ Alan

The DirecTV ad doesn't count?

The One True b!X | February 08, 20:02 CET

Thanks for tuning in to the "gossi and b!X who are both not actually at NYCC show". We now return you to your regularly scheduled whatever.

The One True b!X | February 08, 20:04 CET

::perks up::

He's making tons of BSG jokes?

I want details!


;)



PS:

TVWeek: What shows on TV do you have to watch?

JW: “Battlestar [Galactica]” is back on, so, you know, life is worth living again.

ProgGrrl | February 08, 20:04 CET

Gossi -- that's interesting that CBS switched the new/repeat episodes around. Considering how they're dominating on Friday nights, generally keeping about 10 mil viewers across the whole night, the fact that they're making even slight changes on the 13th is worth noting.

JMaloney | February 08, 20:06 CET

I'd watch Joss's frilly costume drama in a heartbeat. Preferably one that is four and a half hours long.

redders | February 08, 20:06 CET

ProgGrrl, you just asked the same question I have.

gossi | February 08, 20:06 CET

buffyfest: Joss Whedon: "We still got to the ending at episode 13 that we wanted even if it was a round about way. It's phenomanal."

buffyfest: Joss Whedon: "There was a point where I didn't know what the show was about but I never knew what Angel was and it did fine for 5 years"

buffyfest: When are we going to see Angel in season 8 of Buffy? Joss Whedon "Probably when it's the most painful"

[ edited by gossi on 2009-02-08 20:18 ]

gossi | February 08, 20:18 CET

@gossi I wish someone would host a livechat next Friday night with Josh Friedman (TSCC), Joss Whedon, Tahmoh Penikett, Stephanie Jacobsen and Mark Sheppard, in which they would all pimp their new shows...and then proceed to chat about BSG for the rest of the time. ;-)

ProgGrrl | February 08, 20:20 CET

I'll host it. Just have them all call me. ;)

The One True b!X | February 08, 20:21 CET

So, it's not just art. It's life too. Good. This changes my afternoon plans somewhat.

Pointy | February 08, 20:21 CET

For Drive they got Greg (the director) to Twitter as the episode aired. They should do that with Dollhouse. Joss could point out all his mistakes. (Although we quite good at doing it for him, I admit).

gossi | February 08, 20:24 CET

I'm enjoying the Gossi & B!x Show, and I'll hope there was some video of Joss' panel... eventually. But I can't wait until Friday when we FINALLY get to see Dollhouse!!

embers | February 08, 20:43 CET

I think Joss should twitter all night next Friday...through TSCC, Dollhouse, and BSG. I'd pay good money to read that. If Diablo Cody can do it and do it well, you *know* Joss would pwn it.

:)

(btw have any of you figured out if this is really him?)

ProgGrrl | February 08, 20:43 CET

(btw have any of you figured out if this is really him?)

My suspicion is no, but only because that account appeared shortly after we explained to this first one that the name wasn't "Josh".

The One True b!X | February 08, 20:44 CET

Less is more. Need to keep that barrier between the creator and the fans. We don't have to know everything.

Simon | February 08, 20:45 CET

NPR is calling the show "the anti-Buffy." Apparently he pitched it to the Equality Now board early on. Very interesting. I do not think NPR is quite getting the whole picture there.

Sunfire | February 08, 21:03 CET

Yeah, but to their credit, the Joss quotes in the article do a pretty good job of defending it.

Jobo | February 08, 21:10 CET

"You can't be a storyteller and a speechwriter at the same time."

Possibly my new favorite Joss quote.

The One True b!X | February 08, 21:15 CET

That's the weird part. Their framing of the content doesn't really match the content. It's like comparing it to Buffy was the approach going in but then the show is so surprisingly direct and non-apologetic about exploring themes related to sexual exploitation that the reporter walked away thinking it was the opposite of Buffy.

Sunfire | February 08, 21:17 CET

Yeah, Joss volleyed those pitchs very well. I think this really speaks to what Echo's journey will be: "Obviously, the point is you have to take control away from her so that she can get it back." That Echo represents the constant struggle for owning power when you live as the underdog in a hegemonic society. The struggle to reacquire what are your natural rights as a human being.

Emmie | February 08, 21:18 CET

He's totally right about the speechwriting vs. storytelling. Ironically that's why Buffy #5 doesn't really work for me. The message is louder than the story.

Sunfire | February 08, 21:21 CET

Spoilery IGN story at http://tv.ign.com/articles/950/950657p1.html. At least they said it was spoilery. I didn't read the spoilery paragraph.

[ edited by Pointy on 2009-02-08 22:04 ]

Pointy | February 08, 22:03 CET

The spoilery paragraph doesn't say anything new if you've been reading general descriptions of what happens in the pilot.

ETA: In other words, I don't know the plotline for the new pilot but I know a few things that happen as introductory stuff and this covers them in a nutshell.

[ edited by Sunfire on 2009-02-08 22:28 ]

Sunfire | February 08, 22:27 CET

Less is more. Need to keep that barrier between the creator and the fans. We don't have to know everything.

Simon, just to say I agree with this statement. I wasn't saying he should sit and tweet "Here's my house!" or whatever. It'd just be nice to get a proper Dollhouse twitter running from the writers room or some such, a la Dr Horrible. Although I think I'm being a bit too progressive there.

gossi | February 08, 23:38 CET

Just a few rapid-fire responses (I was at the panel):

"FUCK YOU WHEDON!": Someone in my section of the audience had actually yelled that she *loved* Joss -- he seemed to mishear, though later said that he realized no one had actually yelled "Fuck you!"

Dr. Horrible 2: Um, no. He said he'd love to come back to it at some point, much as he has seventy-gazillion times before.

Calling Nathan: No, Joss just hung his head when someone mentioned that Nathan had joked about Serenity 2 in a video intro to the Wonder Woman animated flick the night before.

Calling Nathan a cock: That did indeed then happen. ;-)

BSG jokes: Yes, many, mostly about Tahmoh/Helo letting Baltar onto the ship in the miniseries.

Fan questions: Some did ramble a bit, but honestly? I was happily impressed by how coherent and on-target they were. (Hey, I've been at Comic-Con for three days... I've seen a lot that...weren't...)

Buffyfest's tweets are pretty accurate, especially of those highlighted here.

There was some discussion of the conception and development of Dollhouse -- a lot of it is stuff we've covered here many times already. There was some discussion of the actual product -- the darkness, the moral greyness, that Joss is expecting some people not to like it. He also noted that the premise can be read two ways -- that of a woman discovering herself, or as a misogynist fantasy -- and that the duality is both intentional and terrifying to him; but that when he's terrified, that's usually when he's at his best.

The footage opened with what seems to be Echo signing on to, well, become Echo for a five year term. She's in some kind of trouble for trying to do "the right thing," and this seems to be the solution. Olivia Williams stresses that Echo consider what life would be like with no consequences. We then find Echo racing an opponent by motorcycle -- they drive into the middle of a party, which turns out to be for the guy she's racing. She's also his date. They party for a while; the guy then gives Echo a necklace as a gift, though he seems to know that what they have isn't permanent. She leaves -- he notes to a friend that she's on a time limit -- and gets in a van with Harry Lennix. They discuss the fact that she may have found the "right" guy. Back at the Dollhouse, she's wiped (in an obvious nod to Dark City, yay!) by Topher, and he and Lennix then debate the morality of what they do. The scene then shifts to a little girl, seemingly home alone, on the phone with her suit-wearing, limo-riding dad. Dad's limo is stopped, and the little girl is snatched by masked men.

The footage was definitely solid, though it feels like we will indeed see some of the show's growing pains (Joss admitted as much during the panel, though, as noted above, said that by the end of the season, they're exactly where they always planned to be -- they just got there differently than they originally intended). Those opening minutes have the same not-quite-fully-on-its-feet feel as early Buffy and Angel. Of course, knowing how those turned out, I'm more than happy to give 'em whatever time they need. The audience responded really well to the footage, and I'm still as excited to see the show as I was before.

There were plenty of cameras, so I'd expect footage of the panel (and, probably, the preview footage) to be up on YouTube pretty soon.

RambleOn623 | February 08, 23:54 CET

Aaaannnnd maybe I should've read the io9 link on the front page before bothering to go into the description of the preview footage -- they do a mostly on-target (and much more in-depth) job of describing it. (Though they seem to miss the tiny touch of bitter irony in Lennix's "right guy" line. Great delivery.)

RambleOn623 | February 09, 00:05 CET

I was there, loved it. For some reason I thought more of the cast would be there, but Joss and Tahmoh were brilliant. I'm glad that the moderator tried to split up the questions between them... one of my favorite for Tahmoh was when he was asked about how he was given his BSG flightsuit. He explained how he (and the majority of the other pilots) simply stole their flight suits and shoes (why the shoes, I can't fathom). Also, Joss kept blaming Tahmoh for letting Baltar take his place in the shuttle in the miniseries.

I was also quite happy to have one of my season 8 TPB signed by Georges Jeanty who Joss actually mentioned at the panel. Someone asked when Angel will be in Season 8, and Joss said as soon as Georges learns to draw him. He then explained the issue came from "too much forehead".

I didn't get to get their autographs, but it was probably a good thing, as I was rendered very awkward around Georges Jeanty and Jan Duuresma, an artist for Star Wars Legacy that I got autographs from... I assume that I would only be able to communicate in grunts and squeals within close proximity of Tahmoh, much less Joss. Though I think this form of awed gibberish is far more respectful than the numerous people who worked in information about "what I'm working on" during the questions aspect. No one cares that you're a writer or working on a "guerrilla style film project". Praise Joss, ask the question, and shut up.

edit: I was also hoping to get a Dollhouse poster, but didn't see any. At least I got a nifty bag with Echo on one side and Cameron (with a ridiculous amount of belts) on the other.

[ edited by SteppeMerc on 2009-02-09 00:14 ]

SteppeMerc | February 09, 00:12 CET

Newsarama quotes Joss: "My hope is that the audience comes across as unclean as the characters...everyone is compromised."

The One True b!X | February 09, 00:36 CET

Less is more. Need to keep that barrier between the creator and the fans. We don't have to know everything.

Actually, I do need to know everything.

5 days! Can't wait.

NYPinTA | February 09, 16:00 CET

I think I speak for everyone here when I say Nathan's a cock.

After his last two roles, now every time I see a Castle commercial I imagine Nathan to proclaim "my pencil is my penis." (Although I admit Castle likely writes with a word processor not a pencil.)

peacemonger | February 09, 17:24 CET

@Ramble & Steppe - thanks so much for the recaps! For those of us who can't be there this stuff is manna.

ProgGrrl | February 09, 17:37 CET

Awesome! Thanks!

korkster | February 09, 18:33 CET

Does anyone have a transcript of the NYCC talk? The videos are so hard to understand...

BGinDC | February 12, 18:01 CET