CGI beauty is key! Ask Morena! :D

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Djungelurban | April 02, 15:24 CET

What!? Is Morena not real? Darn, I knew she was to good to be true.

Satai (with Punsch) | April 02, 15:32 CET

Too tired to properly formulate thoughts on this and the whole spin-off issue, but if aging is the main thing holding anyone back on this or any other live action Buffyverse project, please... a true talent for suspension of disbelief is this fandom's biggest asset!

ThorpeWithoutShrimp | April 02, 16:09 CET

I figure the whole ageing issue is becoming less and less; I haven't seen it, but saw the mechanics of the CGI on Benjamin Button and it was magnificent. I know its decades of a Buffyverse budget, at least it can happen realistically.

Or, you know, just make the Vampire age? ;p

Jayme | April 02, 16:25 CET

The man could play a convincing Spike at 60. He looks wonderful for his age and I think that with all the digital junk they have now they can make it work. This would be amazing if it were to happen! I can hear the thousands of fankids everywhere freaking out now!

thegingerpire | April 02, 17:19 CET

I am too! I wanna write!

Brian Lynch | April 02, 17:25 CET

You can do it!

GreatMuppetyOdin | April 02, 17:32 CET

What Jayme said: Or, you know, just make the Vampire age? ;p

Maybe having a soul allows vampires to show some signs of physical aging?

jill | April 02, 17:34 CET

Angel had a soul for 100 years, and never aged.

I don't know about you guys, but no matter how awesome a Spike show or movie would be, even if it was better than Buffy, there's no way I'd ever be able to look past Spike looking a little bit older. I can look past other flaws in the vampire mythology, such as vampires ALWAYS breathing heavy after fights (or sex), showing up in mirrors a wee bit too often, sunlight only being immediately deadly to unimportant vampires etc. but aging? Nope, that's where I'd no longer be able to look past it.

;)

jfhlbuffy | April 02, 18:11 CET

The aging issue can easily be dealt with.

Let's pretend that he turned human (he pissed someone of and was "punished") and then Dru turned him again.

It could work!

Skytteflickan88 | April 02, 18:16 CET

It would be awesome if it did happen. James still looks great and in fantastic shape just coming off DragonBall which was a physical demanding role for him. As for the Spike character, he never got to be the mainfocus in either series although there is so much that can still be done with him. A very unique champion,warrior.
It's also cool of James with having no problem coming back to star behind Sarah if that would ever happen.
Really sad that that rumored mini series of 12 episodes or so written by Tim M never got made.

Vergil | April 02, 18:23 CET

I'm all for a Brian Lynch scripted Spike movie! I'm all for any movie written by Brian Lynch, actually.

Aloha Joe | April 02, 18:33 CET

I wouldn't care at all if he looked a little older. Bring on the new Spike show, movie, whatever. :)

Or any Buffy/Angel spin-off, really !

a little pez witch | April 02, 18:48 CET

I just... very easily looked past Data from TNG getting a bit on the chubby side and wrinkly, despite the fact he was a machine and physically incapable of aging or... storing fat.

I would have no problem with Spike, who actually has real cells that might even possibly age.

VeryVeryCrowded | April 02, 18:58 CET

You know, I just thought of Brian writing an "Asylum" screenplay and that made me very, very happy!

Anyone with a couple million to get the ball rolling on that? While we're at it, if you want to chip in towards a sequel to Serenity...

narse | April 02, 19:21 CET

As much as I would love some type of new Buffyverse spin-off series or movie,big screen(BTVS/ATS giant team up film)or small(character based DVD/T.V.ones),I just don't see that happening anymore.

I think we're just lucky to have the canon comic continuation and Joss's continued involvment in it.To me that in itself is miraculous.

Buffyfantic | April 02, 19:41 CET

Angel had a soul for 100 years, and never aged.

He did on my TV.

Not saying he didn't look good, but he certainly looked different over the years.

redeem147 | April 02, 20:37 CET

There isn't much that wouldn't make me welcome more Spike.
Another Spike death maybe.
Otherwise, bring it on!

Xane | April 02, 20:37 CET

I had a revelation whilst watching The Inbetweeners on E4...

How about putting Spike into that Ripper TV Movie dealio that most definitely will happen? ;p

Jayme | April 02, 23:01 CET

Spike was and still is my boy, so l say why not

zee | April 02, 23:27 CET

Even after the seven-year period, or whatever the number extends to, there's always the possibility of Animated Spike, an audio drama, or do the whole thing with Spike stuck in permanent vamp face. The makeup would completely hide human forehead wrinkles under vampire forehead wrinkles.

deanna b | April 03, 00:26 CET

Oh my. I just begin daring to dream of a Spike movie and someone sets the bar even higher - a Spike *show*. I would thrill to either of these. But it absolutely has to be James and not an animation and CGI. What's the point of a non-Marsters Spike?

caeli | April 03, 01:03 CET

But it absolutely has to be James and not an animation and CGI. What's the point of a non-Marsters Spike?

Ever heard his Dresden Files audio books? It's amazing what that man can do with just his voice. *wibble*

Not saying that I wouldn't love seeing his face, but if I can't have that, I'd love to at least hear Spike again.

deanna b | April 03, 01:44 CET

That's a good point Deanna. James live would be my first choice, but an animated Spike with James' acting, I could enjoy that. I ended up enjoying Brian Lynch's comics a lot.

But like Redeem mentioned above, Angel aged a ton in the years we knew him, suspension of disbelief was required.

And frankly, James can probably just ACT young and ageless, and probably pull it off.

Xane | April 03, 02:07 CET

Spike movie... yes. Show... I'm a little iffy on. But if it's the aging holding James back, really now they made Brad Pit look 17. James still has the Spike swagger.

dulce_serenidad | April 03, 03:05 CET

I just saw James at his Valentine's Day event and he looked fabulous.
He could certainly still be Spike and look like he hasn't aged...much. David did age during Angel and I don't know why James is so obsessed with this. I'm sure Joss could figure something out about this little "issue." Just wish someone would do anything about it and get Spike in a show, movie or animation. It just has to be James as Spike. Accept no substitutes.

biffsbabe | April 03, 03:23 CET

Put JM in any role and I'll be there.

But the thought of more Spike does give me the happy drools.
*wishfully thinking*

Love's Bitch | April 03, 03:33 CET

If Joss cared anywhere near as much about Spike as he does Buffy or Angel he could have at least gotten a 2 hour tv movie and/or a pilot for a Spike series. Hell, they were gonna do a Faith series if Eliza wouldn't have chosen to do Tru Calling instead and I think more people would tune in for Spike over Faith. To bad, just like any other Buffy and Angel spin off, it'll probably never happen.

mossoholic | April 03, 04:19 CET

I'm not sure about that.I think just as many people would tune into a Faith spin-off as a Spike spin-off.

Besides,Spike was going to be regular on the Faith spin-off.

If I remember,the characters were going to be Faith,Spike and Robin Wood.Tim Minear was going to showrun and the premise was going to have them traveling around from place to place like Kung Fu.Spike was going to be a ghost on it.They took the ghost Spike idea and used it on Angel when Spike moved there after Faith fell through.

Quite honestly,I think just as many people would tune into any Buffyverse spin-off whether it was Spike,Faith or Ripper.I think a lot of people would of tuned into the Buffy Animated series as well.

And Joss did try to get T.V./DVD movies made but The WB was never serious about the T.V. movie idea and FOX didn't want to spend the money on the character based DVD movies.At best they wanted to do it on the cheap which Joss wouldn't do.He didn't want to put out an inferior product just to put one out.This is probably one of the reasons he likes doing the comics now.No need to worry about budget.

This is also why Joss isn't fighting for a new onscreen Buffyverse project.He is getting his Buffyverse fix every day by doing the comics and not having to worry about outside factors interfering in how it gets made.If someone with money came to him to do another onscreen Buffyverse project then great but he's not losing sleep over it.He's got his Buffyverse continuation via the comics.

Buffyfantic | April 03, 04:56 CET

I don't think Faith is anywhere near as popular as Spike. No contest.
Having Spike on as a sidekick ghost wasn't the greatest idea, and I never gave a rat's ass about Principal Wood, especially paired with Faith.
But I still would have watched it.
But if Spike was the main character? Especially with Illyria?
I'm there, and happy.

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Xane | April 03, 07:22 CET

I know this a dream, but I still think it would be great to see a Spike and Willow spin off. I don't mean them as a couple so please stay calm. I mean it would be great to watch the story about two outcasters: Spike a demon with a soul, and Willow a witch with an enlarged point of view about her sexual life. I get the show was around Buffy, but Joss Whedon gave her friends and family, and for 7 years he created/builded them so greatly, we end loving them as much as we loved Buffy. So I think it would be great to see what/how are doing the ones who fought a war against demons for so long, even if it wasn't their "destiny".

PS Sorry for the mistakes but English isn't my first language. Thank you.

rua1412 | April 03, 09:13 CET

Any buffyverse movie would be so good!

SmileTime | April 03, 09:32 CET

It would be nice to see a Spike spinoff happen. I tend to think there is more chance of a series than a one-off movie now though. Just seems to me like if this is going to happen on any level it would need to be something that had longterm prospects for whatever network wanted to give it the chance. A show would offer that whereas a television movie probably wouldn't.

That said, maybe Sci Fi (or SyFy, whatever they are called this week) would be willing to offer Joss a shot at a Spike television movie that could act as a pilot for a potential series. They did that previously with a Babylon 5 project. Legend of the Rangers, if I remember the title correctly? The show never happen but that was 99% due to the movie being pretty damn awful.

Seems to me like that would be a good option, if it could be arranged. Although I'd much rather see a Dexter-esque Spike series on Showtime. Much more potential there for Spike to be Spike.

And, most importantly, Brian Lynch has got to be one of the show's writers. No question about that.

The Highlander | April 03, 10:31 CET

Do SyFy still do sci-fi though ? Maybe "Spike & Illyria: Super-Ghosthunters" would be more their speed nowadays. Or Illyria would make one hell of a wrestler.

Saje | April 03, 11:53 CET

I think if Buffy was an NBC Universal property then we would have seen a Spike tv movie airing on SciFi. But it isn't and I doubt it ever get made for that network.

Side note - In an old issue of SciFi Magazine, there's an interesting article by one of the SciFi Channel's head honchos explaining why the network did not pick up Angel when it got cancelled by The WB.

Simon | April 03, 12:05 CET

If we were going to have a Scf-Fi TV movie with possible series, I think I'd prefer it to be Ripper. Not that a Spike movie/series wouldn't rock, though.

Racoon Boy | April 03, 12:39 CET

Oh, Brian, don’t tease!

Mirage | April 03, 13:23 CET

I don't think that's entirely a fair cop. As I recall, Joss went so far as to pitch a Spike movie to 20th, amongst others and never got any bites in spite of noises from the WB that they would be interested. You may also recall one Tim Minear saying "I had lunch with Joss and he asked me if I wanted to write and direct some blond vampire movie thing." Its not because Joss doesn't like Spike and I may never understand why people insist on believing that.



It's pretty easily sidestepped, James has admitted to being interested in spite of ageing, anyway. We already have vamps who become more bestial as time goes on, so why not a little wrinkling as a precursor to that?

zeitgeist | April 03, 13:59 CET

If I remember correctly at the Not Fade away' con a few years ago (around the time the Spike movie was trying to get off the ground) Amy Acker was asked about it and it seems from what she said she knew far more about what had been planned with Joss then J August (who knew absolutely nothing and said so there) and JM who was interviewed around the same time and also knew nothing about it.

From what Amy was saying it was looking more like it was intended to be more erring more towards the character of Illyria more then Spike even though it was being called a Spike movie.

Maybe because Joss thought he would have a better chance of selling to the exec's as a Spike project as he was the more well known out of the two? I don't know.

But then far dos, Joss always did have his favorite characters the same as anyone else.

I strongly doubt we will see anything ever being made now as the window of opportunity is long since gone, but all I know is I would have loved to have seen one being done, and as for Vampires aging, well I'm sure that could have been sorted in the writing.

Also I have to say that both JM and DB obvioulsy aged thought out their time on the show, and nobody seemed to mind then. *g*

sueworld2003 | April 03, 14:30 CET

Kind of off-topic, but I've never really understood how Illyria would work in any kind of context other than a continuation of Angel, given that a huge part of her horrible-awesomeness as a character was derived from the audience's having already fallen in love with Fred.

ThorpeWithoutShrimp | April 03, 14:51 CET

Well, he later talked about Illyria and Spike teaming up as they made a great pairing, but I don't remember anyone saying Illyria movie + Spike, it was always Ripper, Faith, and Spike as the three potential projects that I recall. There's also a Wikipedia article on undeveloped Buffy spinoffs. And, yeah, no one seemed to find JM or DB less hot as time went by :) - I think they've both aged tremendously!

zeitgeist | April 03, 15:27 CET

Simon, do you have a link for the article on why Sci Fi didn't pick up Angel? I would think it is because they didn't really have the money back then. If Angel had been canceled nowadays Sci Fi or DirecTV would have picked it up.

mossoholic | April 04, 11:47 CET

I've always been unable to find a link but from I remember the rationale for not picking up Angel for a sixth season was because it didn't make financial sense. It wasn't their property and there was no point picking it up if it was only going to last one or two more seasons.

Simon | April 04, 12:05 CET

True enough, and pretty much why I tend to think any live action Buffy/Angel project would now need to be at least potentially a longterm deal to get any network interested. A television movie alone probably wouldn't be enough to make all the cross-company dealings worthwhile.

A Spike series on SyFy is anything but likely but far from impossible to make happen if all involved wanted to give it a shot. I'll be honest, as much as I'm semi-enjoying Dollhouse, I'd rather have Spike back than anything else Joss has done since. Knowing how much James Marsters and Brian Lynch would both love to be involved as well makes it all the harder to accept it almost certainly won't happen.

The Highlander | April 05, 15:32 CET