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May 07 2009

Another "Save Dollhouse" campaign. This site urges fans to send dolls to Fox (thus keeping in the spirit of the Roswell and Jericho campaigns).

Tabasco and peanuts, it was a different time. Also if you are going to ask fans for money, post your full names, contact details etc so we know who you are. Just saying.

Simon | Dollhouse | 21:12 CET | 42 comments total | tags: dolls, dollhouse

Ehhh. I'm not so wild about this one.

Jobo | May 07, 21:16 CET

Me neither.

Dollverse has another tactic.

[ edited by gossi on 2009-05-07 21:17 ]

gossi | May 07, 21:17 CET

We have a hard enough time getting people to watch the show at a predetermined time on TV. Do we really think people will remember to buy a DVD at a predetermined time? ;)

The One True b!X | May 07, 21:22 CET

Thank you, gossi.

I can't decide. I'm going to Comic-Con on Thursday specifically to pick up the Dollhouse DVD (Hopefully there's something else for me to do there on Thursday as well... otherwise I'm paying $25+DVD just for DH S1). I'm trying to figure out if it would be too obsessive to also buy a non-special edition of the DVD. Not that this has ever stopped me before...

Jobo | May 07, 21:24 CET

As for the doll buying, I'm sure it's always a good tactic to have one's site talking about a "huge, faceless, impersonal corporate entity".

It's basically, "We insult you, now do what we want!"

ETA that I also wonder about barraging the guy who bought and championed the show to begin with. The dolls go to Kevin Reilly? Really?

[ edited by The One True b!X on 2009-05-07 21:27 ]

The One True b!X | May 07, 21:25 CET

b!X, we don't need 5 million people to buy the DVD at a specific time to enter the top ten, though.

gossi | May 07, 21:27 CET

Too bad! I've already pre-ordered my copy!

Ah, well. I wish you luck in that endeavor. It seems far more workable than the doll thing.

Lirazel | May 07, 21:29 CET

Its effects would certainly more immediately visible to people than sending dolls. (Not to mention that it's better to spend your money on the DVD, which does to a FOX entity, than to spend it on dolls and force FOX to spend money getting rid of them.)

The One True b!X | May 07, 21:32 CET

That wouldn't be too obsessive, Jobo. Because then I'd have to admit that I'M obsessive. And that just won't happen.

I've pre-ordered a copy of the DVD and a copy of the Blu-ray for myself, as well as 2 extra copies of the DVD to give to friends who I KNOW won't buy the DVD or watch the show on their own (just to get a larger fanbase).

Yeah, alright. I MAY be obsessive.

-DED- | May 07, 21:32 CET

Oh, yeah. That'll work.

cronopiogal | May 07, 21:35 CET

The sending of dolls is just going to come across as a bit mental.

I like gossi's strategy better.

flugufrelsarinn | May 07, 21:42 CET

Meh, see, the thing with these campaigns is: launching them without enough of the fandom behind it, will just have averse effects. Imagine all of twelve Dolls hitting Kevin Reilly's desk and him thinking "gee, I thought this show had fans". Not to mention that I still have the disctinct feeling that Reilly's on "our side" to begin with. Annoying him just seems silly.

So while I do like the fighting spirit exhibited in any campaign, in the end I think things like getting people to watch and pre-ordering the DVD are much more constructive and don't have any possible averse effects if people don't line up to participate.

GVH | May 07, 21:47 CET

Great idea, gossi. I hope others think to do so...I pre-ordered like the first second it was available for pre-order. This definitely beats the send-a-doll-to-Fox campaign.

The thought of flooding Fox's offices with dolls is hilarious, but in a black comedy sort of way.

WhoIsOmega? | May 07, 21:51 CET

Where did the idea come from that non-Nielson DVRs count for viewership? That's not true, right? I've been seeing it on Twitter.

jkalderash | May 07, 21:58 CET

How about instead of sending dolls, people watch dollhouse on hulu, and click the advertising link for the show and comment on seeing their add and thank them for suppoorting Dollhouse on Hulu. Doesn't cost anything but your time, also takees a page from the save Chuck book.

Why is Hulu more valued by advertisers than YouTube? excerpt; "That may explain why YouTube, which had 83 million unique hits in September, is only expected to generate $100 million for the year. ... That all of the content there is nice and legal makes it more appealing to advertisers, which explains why, even though with only 6 million hits in September, Hulu is expected to generate to $70m."

Who says Hulu is no YouTube competitor? except; Advertisers want to be on something where you know what you get," Zucker said, "and not on something where you could be advertising (next to a video of) a cat on a skateboard."

Those are just a few articles that came out back toward the end of 2008 and hulu's power is still growing. Support hulu with the numbers and support the advertisers by clicking the link, send the adveertisers a comment how you saw their ad onn hulu while watching Dollhouse.

RavenU | May 07, 22:04 CET

If you get your DVR via subscription from cable, sattellite, or direct from the DVR company. Then Neilson will receive the numbers to report from those companies.

RavenU | May 07, 22:08 CET

Seriously? You mean... I count?? That can't be right, it's just a hard drive hooked up to your TV, isn't it?

jkalderash | May 07, 22:15 CET

That's really overstating it.

There's no demographic info to go with those figures, even if tracked. Unless the hhousehold is part of a Neilsen family, which is a statistical cross-section of the population and therefore has demographic data attached to it, DVR numbers mean far less to anyone, because the demographic info is what drives advertising dollars, which is what networks chase.

The One True b!X | May 07, 22:20 CET

Yeah, sending action figures is really dumb, IMHO. A. I don't have the money (and I'm sure others feel the same way B. Watching shows and buying DVDs is way more important. Now it just seems like we're crazy, disorganized and not very numerous.

edit: But I'll preorder it again at 7 tommorrow (then cancel my other preorder, I guess...)

[ edited by SteppeMerc on 2009-05-07 22:25 ]

SteppeMerc | May 07, 22:22 CET

To paraphrase Giles á la Dead Man's Party...

"Do you like my doll? Isn't it pretty? It saves a show from cancellation."

Except unlike Joyce's creepy-ass mask, I don't quite think this tactic will work.

Much happier with my preorder of season one and watching the eps on Hulu over and over again.

CrazyKidBen | May 07, 22:37 CET

Awesome RavenU! One of the Hulu sponsors of Dollhouse is Plan USA. Imagine sponsoring a child and citing Dollhouse as the referrer. Its a two-for-one!

Mort | May 07, 22:47 CET

So you're saying that we should send Fox creepy-ass masks instead? :)

Let Down | May 07, 22:47 CET

Ass masks? Aren't those known as "pants"?

The One True b!X | May 07, 22:48 CET

Yeah, sending Dolls to people who don't know you isn't at all CREEPY or anything.

doubtful guest | May 07, 22:48 CET

b!X just made me chortle diet coke and i'm not complaining.

CrazyKidBen | May 07, 22:51 CET

I have to say, I'm uncomfortable with all this labeling of action figures as dolls. Perhaps those apply, due to their horrid articulation, but there is a huge difference between an action figure and a doll! ;)

You may ask yourself the difference between a doll and action figure. The action figure is only slightly less creepy for grown men to collect, though still sad (and this is said by someone with a huge amount of Star Wars action figures).

SteppeMerc | May 07, 23:01 CET

FWIW:

Current Dollhouse DVD ranks on Amazon: 62 in overall DVD, 6 in Boxed Sets: TV, 21 in overall TV. 24 on "Movers & Shakers". Last hour, those DVD ranks were 126, 23, and 51, respectively.

The One True b!X | May 07, 23:11 CET

b!x, so they're going up? That's good.

SteppeMerc | May 07, 23:12 CET

That's an amazing jump. What's happening? Where does this incredible hype come from all of a sudden? Twitter is also going nuts.

wiesengrund | May 07, 23:13 CET

Reading Twitter, and trying to sift through the BuddyTV crap, I think people actually don't know Dollhouse is in trouble! It's been such common knowledge here that I assumed everyone knew... but maybe everyone thought a Friday night sci-fi show with a canceled lead-in was doing OK? Screw it, maybe we should have started a Save Dollhouse campaign back in '07.

jkalderash | May 07, 23:28 CET

We should all chip in and buy a Toyota Echo, dismantle it, then mail each part individually to FOX. Y'know, like a puzzle.

Eeeeh? Nobody? No? Oh well.

wonderflonium | May 07, 23:39 CET

Just remember... there are even Joss Whedon fans who don't read Whedonesque (it's sometimes surprising how many there are out there).

BrownCoat_Tabz | May 08, 00:16 CET

Might change in the next minutes, but Dollhouse DVD on Amazon now: 50 overall, 4 in Boxed Sets: TV, 16 in overall TV. 15th on Amazon's "Movers & Shakers", having risen 138% in the past 24 hours.

The One True b!X | May 08, 00:39 CET

Lol. Adelaide time. Classic. Coz we are totally the main time zone in Australia. Unless it detects which time zone you are from?

Also I note that DrH is no 15 in the general bestsellers list with 160 days in the top 100!

DH was no 39.

Also, any idea of how successful WDW was to online viewing numbers? Were clickthroughs recorded?

[ edited by Ivalaine on 2009-05-08 05:24 ]

Ivalaine | May 08, 03:04 CET

Isn’t there some paper dolls that you could just print and change the clothes?
I know it will lesser the impact of mountains of trouble for FOX, but will be easier to send.

About the Hulu Vs. youtube thing, I still stay with the second only cause it works worldwide, not only for USer’s

Just remember... there are even Joss Whedon fans who don't read Whedonesque (it's sometimes surprising how many there are out there).
BrownCoat_Tabz

I blame this to the strange decision of you guys speak in English. We could have a couple more people here if if changed to Portuguese. Just saying :)

Brasilian Chaos Man | May 08, 14:09 CET

Tabz, too true. I have been watching Whedon shows on TV since the first Buffy episode aired and only recently discovered Whedonesque. Better late than never, I guess.

Michael | May 08, 15:59 CET

If people have action figures of Faith and Fred they want to throw away then I'll take them! And I'll buy Dollhouse DVD sets instead.... Jobo I think it is beyond cool that you're going to Comic Con on Thursday just to get a Dollhouse DVD, you almost inspire me to do the same (Friday and Saturday tickets are all completely sold out), and hope that Felicia's panel for The Guild might be on Thursday, there is always some cool stuff that ends up on Thursday!

embers | May 08, 16:33 CET

Late to mention it, but I plan on being at SDCC this year and looking forward to meeting some of you :).

zeitgeist | May 08, 16:35 CET

Will you be gold? Can we have a thread during CC for W-esque member meet-ups?

korkster | May 08, 18:05 CET

Comic Con is sold out already? Oops.

hacksaway | May 08, 18:35 CET

zeitgeist is going to be there? Damn, my airfare is non-refundable!

The One True b!X | May 08, 18:40 CET

Yeah, I waited 'til you'd bought yours, sucker! :) There's probably a thread on .org already. Re: 4-day passes sold out: Yeah, you now have to use supersecret means to gain access ;)

zeitgeist | May 08, 19:58 CET

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