(SPOILER)
Clip from tomorrow night's episode of Dollhouse.
And if you crave more amazing scenes from the finale, then here's clips numbers two and three.
Which one's your favourite?
May 07 2009
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BlueSkies | May 07, 13:34 CET
Maggie | May 07, 13:43 CET
OMG.
That looks awesome.
druzilla | May 07, 13:43 CET
bonzob | May 07, 13:44 CET
Also I love clip 1 because it totally hints towards Saunders dollness!
I still hope Victor is ok. Alpha ruined his beautiful face. :(
[ edited by DaniVampsForJoss on 2009-05-07 22:47 ]
DaniVampsForJoss | May 07, 13:47 CET
mouse | May 07, 13:48 CET
Simon | May 07, 13:48 CET
Where's the man from another place? Maybe he's one of Alpha's personalities...
didifallasleep | May 07, 13:57 CET
CrazyKidBen | May 07, 13:57 CET
edcsLover9 | May 07, 14:01 CET
sumogrip | May 07, 14:05 CET
Shep | May 07, 14:16 CET
And, very Twins Peak-ish. I always felt that vibe, but more Jossian. Both (will be) excellent hours of television finales.
korkster | May 07, 14:37 CET
Anuris | May 07, 14:44 CET
rocknjosie | May 07, 14:49 CET
kasadilla | May 07, 14:56 CET
gossi | May 07, 15:00 CET
dzr | May 07, 15:06 CET
But will.
Chris inVirginia | May 07, 15:35 CET
The other thing that struck me was Paul. With what they've done to his character, I just wonder what the endgame for him is. He's pretty much despised at this point by the fanbase both for fair and not so fair reasons. His motivations seem so cliche that he doesn't really seem ripe for redemption, and to kill him would just feel like a waste of time.
Anyone else think he may be arcing towards becoming the "evil" Dollhouse manager? My thinking would go like this. Adelle turns him into an asset. He's very good at what he does but is ruthless. The PTB like his style, and because Adelle dabbles too much in extra-curricular Doll pro-bono work she gets shelved for him.
Then you have established "good" Dollhouse characters and "bad" Dollhouse characters. It makes sense, especially since the fans seem to like everyone who works in the Dollhouse now which is confusing when you think of what they're doing for a living. Just a thought.
azzers | May 07, 15:56 CET
(I know it's a manikin, but it kinda looks like him)
geratongs3000 | May 07, 15:58 CET
NathanG | May 07, 16:00 CET
KingofCretins | May 07, 16:07 CET
Sunfire | May 07, 16:35 CET
And my reasoning is actually the characters are quite similar, and otherwise I just don't know what you can do with him. He's been neutered as a hero. And again, I think death would just be simple and make me feel like the amount of screen time he had was just wasteful. If all Alpha needed was a patsy, it could have been done with less screen time.
Anyway, just a wild theory that would allow the writers to "fit" perceptions with what we've seen so far. When they pull the curtain back, everything could be flipped anyway.
[ edited by azzers on 2009-05-08 01:50 ]
azzers | May 07, 16:47 CET
King- Adelle and Ballard's reactions to the photos are going to be different when Adelle's seen them multiple times and the event happened a long time ago. Whereas, Paul is seeing them for the first time. I think at the time she would have been upset, she seems quite protective of her Dolls.
Haha love Adelle's "Alpha was a genius." Hee!
[ edited by vampmogs on 2009-05-08 02:18 ]
vampmogs | May 07, 17:14 CET
When she called it a, what, technical abnormality, Paul should have laughed in her face and said "you mean your effin' frankenstein broke loose and slaughtered a bunch of the so-called 'volunteers' you like to pretend you care about, is that what a 'technical abnormality' is?"
Azzers, you're right, people look at what Adelle does wrong and love her anyway, and what Ballard does wrong and hate him. What confuses me is that people look at the good Ballard does and hate him anyway and... then there isn't any good Adelle has done. Yet she still comes off the better between them somehow.
KingofCretins | May 07, 17:40 CET
I cannot bring myself to like her in any fashion or form. Everything she does has a calculated motivation, just because she is posh and British doesn't make her instantly likable somehow, especially not to me.
DaniVampsForJoss | May 07, 18:10 CET
Yup I do, and I stand by that. I’ve thought she’s had an attachment to her Actives ever since she warned Richard to bring Echo back safely. And ever since she’s been resistant to send Echo to the attic when she was clearly exhibiting the same signs Alpha was. Dominic says as much, he was worried Adelle was starting to like Echo. Do I think she had a big cry over it? No. But neither did Paul. Adelle is human, we’ve seen her breakdown once already after Dominic was wiped (and yes I believe it was because of that) and we’ve seen her cry when her friend “died” in ‘Haunted.’ She’s capable of having genuine human emotion just like anybody is, no matter how bad her actions may be.
Calling them "cattle" is your words, not hers, and is a clever trick to make her come across even worse than she already is. It has no effect on me ;)
And yes I am one of those many people who enjoy Adelle's character more than Ballard. I used to think Adelle was full of self-delusion but in comparison to Ballard, she looks like an amateur. I always find characters extremely off-putting when they claim to be righteous and they’re clearly not. That’s how I see Paul and I’m sticking to my guns, it’s why I was so happy Boyd won that fight. The second Paul faces up that he's not as noble as he pretends to be, maybe I’ll start enjoying him more.
Adelle doesn’t grate on me, I just enjoy her scenes more and I love the actress. It doesn’t mean I don’t think she’s a bad person, she is. But so was Lilah and she was one of my favourites as well. A character doesn't have to be good to be one of my favourites. I enjoy all of her scenes and look forward to them every episode.
[ edited by vampmogs on 2009-05-08 03:22 ]
[ edited by vampmogs on 2009-05-08 03:23 ]
vampmogs | May 07, 18:20 CET
Funny, I will receive a new unit tomorrow thanks to those in Brown but I will not get home in time to install it to record the season finale:(
Hulu and iTunes you are my savior on Saturday!
I hope they rerun Dollhouse all summer long...
Wilhelm | May 07, 19:08 CET
I have to say I agree with you, vampmogs, about Paul. He's on a high horse he shouldn't be on, especially since it hasn't been established what the Dollhouse is funding. I was smiling during the interactions between Adelle and Paul, because while neither of them has done the complete right thing, Paul was wrong to recruit anyone on his little mission, even an architect/civilian. What would make the story great is if the Dollhouse turned out to be funding something so important that finding out about it would snap Paul back to reality.
sarahi | May 07, 19:32 CET
Vampmogs, I attribute the attitude of "cattle" to Adelle because that is how she treats them. Hearn was *right* about Adelle, and all her pathetic, false piety about promises to Actives she's shown no sign of ever intending to keep. Remember when she and Dominic had an actual conversation about whether "Echo" should go to the Attic? I wonder, which part of that (coerced) agreement that Caroline signed included a provision whereby she agreed that if as an Active she ever got uppity, they could put her there?
I "like" Adelle in that it's a well-acted, well-written part (kinda like Ben on "Lost"), but I completely despise her, she has no redeeming qualities at all, and there really isn't much that Alpha could come up with that wouldn't still be a bit too good for her. And as amusing as I find Topher, or as occasionally honorable I find Boyd, I'd throw them in right alongside her for taking their stand on the side of slavery, which is what standing with the Dollhouse is.
KingofCretins | May 07, 20:39 CET
I'd actually been avoiding the whole 'Claire-is-a-doll' theory, even though it obviously holds a great deal of credit. But clip one just seemed to confirm her doll-status to me. And she played it so heart-breakingly!
But clip three... wow. Can't wait to see Alpha's plans for Echo- who her final imprint will be. I'm glad they cleared up that question of who she was at the end of 'Briar Rose', though, that was driving me crazy. Interesting to see she's apparently just a temporary placeholder though.
Love Paul and Adelle interacting. It's a great combination, especially regarding each character's complete conviction that what they are doing is right.
Oh, how can I possibly wait until Saturday?! *searches for plane tickets to the US of A. No success.*
Cannot wait for all the twists and turns that will be sure to melt my mind into a little puddle of Joss-goo. :D
shinyEcho | May 07, 20:50 CET
Wow, yeah, Dollhouse came at the right time for me. Artificial families are dying for Joss too, I guess.
[ edited by doublemeat on 2009-05-08 06:56 ]
doublemeat | May 07, 21:53 CET
Also, methinks Saunders is an imprint and doesn't know it.
ShanshuBugaboo | May 07, 22:24 CET
One of Many | May 07, 22:59 CET
and wow! I cannot wait for this. The whole Ballard/Adelle and Whiskey stories are so interesting to me. Poor Claire... an active all this time (assumption), and didn't even know it. Think how crushing that would be to you. And Topher showing real heart. This is gonna be good!
LaneMeyer | May 08, 03:01 CET
vampmogs | May 08, 03:14 CET
LaneMeyer | May 08, 03:46 CET
Or it might all be just a classical Jossian mystification in the vein of Spike’s real purpose for his trip to Africa, Giles being First Evil etc. We shall see, but until the writers don’t reveal, that she’s really a doll, I will hope otherwise...
Anuris | May 08, 06:20 CET
If I was in charge of an underground "company" such as this and had the power to imprint anyone with anything then I'd make sure that everyone was their best. And that means actives. I assume everyone is an active at this point. Wouldn't that be awesome if, 5 seasons down the road, we find out the entire house is filled with actives. Kind of a self-sustaining ecosystem of actives. THAT would be grand.
Also, King, I find your views terribly.... well... for a lack of a better word: narrow-minded.
You see NO good in the dollhouse or its people? nothing? You see NO circumstance where this could be acceptable? You don't think people can give away those inalienable rights? Well, I think you belong in the minority here.
I can tell you with full truth and acceptance that I would support the Dollhouse and its technology if it existed. I believe that someone can volunteer those rights away as long as they have at least a faint idea of what would happen to them in those five years. "Inalienable rights" is just a term we use because there isn't any current legislation on the process in real life. Give it time.
-DED- | May 08, 14:23 CET
Or....they could just be sent to the attic.
luv4whedon | May 08, 15:24 CET