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May 10 2009

Joss Whedon discussing the Dollhouse finale at Paley Fest 09. Spoilers for 'Omega' - Fox posted this interview on Saturday, holding it back until after the finale for obvious reasons. Joss' interview is only spoilery if you haven't seen the finale yet (that wouldn't be anyone here? Right?).

I always love a Joss interview, and I respect Fox for holding this one back, not posting it on youtube until after we all had a chance to see the finale.

Joss said "We will find out what happened to Caroline before she became an active" (paraphrasing) but unless I missed a whole bunch of stuff then that wasn't revealed at all.
We still don't know what Caroline did between the Rossum raid and joining the Dollhouse.

Unless Joss is talking about Epitaph One?
It's possible the exposition got cut. A full script of "Omega" was posted somewhere so that we'd get a chance to see what wasn't aired because "Prison Break" ran over. I can't remember where the link was, though.
I don't think the cuts were "because 'Prison Break' ran over." They were normal cuts for time. PB only ran one minute after 9PM.
The (aired) Dollhouse episode was 50 minutes 20 seconds, which is on the long length for DH. I think Joss misspoke, or we misunderstood him.

By the way, one detail I'm not sure people picked up - when Paul is talking to Graham outside the Dollhouse in Omega near the start, behind Graham there's a big ROSSUM sign in the building reception. So The Dollhouse is directly below Rossum's head office.
The link to the script was posted here:

http://whedonesque.com/comments/20239

But that stuff isn't in there.
Even reading the script there is nothing on the two years between the lab attack and Caroline signing up.

And how can you misunderstand "Yes, we will find out what happened in that time..." when it then wasn't even mentioned, let alone explained?

So The Dollhouse is directly below Rossum's head office.
How could Adelle then tell Dominic she was going off for a couple of days to a meeting at Rossum if she'd only have to go a few floors on the elevator?

[ edited by zz9 on 2009-05-10 17:20 ]
zz9:

I would assume that all Dollhouses are under Rossum buildings. In Briar Rose Topher says that he thinks that the DH headquarter is in Az, so we know that the LA office isn't the "main" one.
Which is fitting. Tucson is pretty evil. It's like the Cleveland of the West.
When Topher came in to tell them none of the vans had been able to leave because of the bomb squad outside, didn't he say what building? I thought I heard something like "No one has left the Rossum building" or something - the name of the building they're located under.

Hmmm...Rossum...summors....ok, no.

And...do we know that the underground facility is at all connected to the building above ground? I mean...is there like a super-secret elevator behind a janitor's closet or something? Or are all the entrances to the Dollhouse below ground, like the garage ramp?
I'll go out on a limb and say that fans will be able to buy plans to the Dollhouse in a couple of years time.
"Haven't seen the final yet?" Those of us in Europe haven't seen anything so far (well, legally, that is), and are faced with another series that might get cancled before we even have a chance to watch the pilot. Common Fox, join the 21. century, let the whole world see this series!
I dunno if this idea has been floated before - namely in the thread discussing the episode showing the raid Caroline participated in before joining the Dollhouse (missed that episode sadly, so I can't quote the title) - but if the company is called "Rossum"? Then either Joss or whomever picked the company name is a bigger reference geek than anticipated!

I say this because "Rossum" is the name of the company that creates artificial humans for manual labour tasks in the 1920 sci-fi stage play R.U.R. ("Rossum's Universal Robots") by Czech playwright Karel Capek. It's the play where the term "robot" was first coined (derived from the Czech for labour, robota) and where the artificial beings look and act human but start off being completely complacent to their slave status before gaining full awareness and rebelling. Sounds rather familiar, I think ;)
That's awesome BEB. Further exhibiting how crazy smart and talented Joss and Co. are.
It's actually mentioned fairly regularly, but given the length of many of the episode threads, it doesn't surprise me that people have missed it. (Plus, any time there's a chance more people can get introduced to that bit of scifi history, the better, if you ask me.)
It's actually mentioned fairly regularly, but given the length of many of the episode threads, it doesn't surprise me that people have missed it. (Plus, any time there's a chance more people can get introduced to that bit of scifi history, the better, if you ask me.)

Ah...while a part of me is disappointed that I wasn't the first person to notice that connection - Joss & Co. referencing an important piece of science fiction literature on identity and what it means to be human - I am glad I can join the club that appreciates such subtleties. Would be interesting if the two Rossums were actually the same company, but the crossover of two disparate storylines like R.U.R. and Dollhouse would probably prevent that, if only due to the issue who owns the intellectual protection/copyrights to an 89-year old stage play ;)
It'd be amusing if the head of Rossum was named Capek, though.
This spoilage wasn't all that spoilery, and also inaccurate..? Weird.

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