Global TV says new season for Dollhouse coming this Fall.
The ad appeared on the Canadian tv network site earlier today. Update Fox tells End of Show: "The series has not been renewed yet. Any renewal announcement would be made at the upfront Presentation a week from today". Update The ad has now changed to "Starring Eliza Dushku" and an explanation of what happened and an apology can be found at this GlobalTV tweet.
So take what you will from that.
May 11 2009
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gossi | May 11, 12:59 CET
Brasilian Chaos Man | May 11, 13:01 CET
Stargyn | May 11, 13:02 CET
Don't worry about it.
Simon | May 11, 13:04 CET
yeah confused, you should throw that twitter link to this link as well.
also check out the may 10th entry about dollhouse and how good it would look on tuesday nights.
[ edited by Stargyn on 2009-05-11 22:08 ]
Stargyn | May 11, 13:07 CET
gossi | May 11, 13:07 CET
ETA: After reading that tweet, I suddenly feel even more hopeful than before. Eliza can be such a tease.
[ edited by Michael on 2009-05-11 22:13 ]
Michael | May 11, 13:08 CET
Stargyn | May 11, 13:11 CET
But, do you really think Eliza's tweet might mean that?
Holy W!
JotheCat | May 11, 13:12 CET
Hope it means what it says tho :D
One of Many | May 11, 13:13 CET
Eliza's tweet could mean anything. But if you're a big fan of Dollhouse, you're going to think it could be about the show.
Simon | May 11, 13:14 CET
QuoterGal | May 11, 13:15 CET
Stargyn | May 11, 13:15 CET
sunshineguinn | May 11, 13:17 CET
sumogrip | May 11, 13:18 CET
gyngyfromshrek, it can't be a leftover from season one because that didn't air last fall.
Michael | May 11, 13:19 CET
Stargyn | May 11, 13:19 CET
I know, I did.. but I thought I was a fool-for-Dollhouse-love for doing so!
JotheCat | May 11, 13:22 CET
buffywrestling | May 11, 13:23 CET
embers | May 11, 13:24 CET
Maybe when I "wake up" there will be an official announcement for season two.
CrazyKidBen | May 11, 13:26 CET
[ edited by Dana5140 on 2009-05-11 22:29 ]
Dana5140 | May 11, 13:28 CET
The banner looks pretty generic though, as if they use that design for every show and just put in the show title.
[ edited by J.I.G. on 2009-05-11 22:32 ]
J.I.G. | May 11, 13:30 CET
LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA
didifallasleep | May 11, 13:30 CET
cronopiogal | May 11, 13:32 CET
Scaniano | May 11, 13:33 CET
I know the ad wasn't there a few days ago. I've visited the GlobalTV Dollhouse page many times, and I've never seen it before.
Knuckleball | May 11, 13:34 CET
Presumably, it would be unintentional. FOX decides they're gonna renew it, so they let their buddies up north know. Those buddies unwittingly start advertising it, for some reason... I dunno.
I'm taking this to be a good sign, and I'll suffer the crushing disappointment of having done so if I must. For now, I'm just happy.
sumogrip | May 11, 13:35 CET
bubblecat | May 11, 13:37 CET
I'll just wait and see.
maxsummers | May 11, 13:39 CET
ShanshuBugaboo | May 11, 13:40 CET
"Joss Whedon, creator of groundbreaking cult favourites Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Firefly, returns to television and reunites with fellow Buffy alumna Eliza Dushku for a thrilling new drama, Dollhouse.
Echo (Dushku) is an "Active," a member of a highly illegal and underground group of individuals who have had their personalities wiped clean so they can be imprinted with any number of new personas. Hired by the wealthy, powerful and connected, the Actives don't just perform their hired roles, they wholly become - with mind, personality and physiology - whomever the client wants or needs them to be. Whether imprinted to be a lover, an assassin, a corporate negotiator or a best friend, the Actives know no other life than the specific engagements they are in at that time.
Confined between missions to a secret facility known as the "Dollhouse," Echo and the other Actives, including Sierra (Dichen Lachman), are assigned engagements by Adelle Dewitt (Olivia Williams), one of the Dollhouse's leaders. After each scenario, Echo, always under the watchful eye of her handler Boyd Langton (Harry Lennix), returns to the mysterious Dollhouse where her thoughts, feelings, experiences and knowledge are erased by Topher Brink (Fran Kranz), the Dollhouse's genius programmer.
Echo enters the next scenario with no memory of before. Or does she? "
This all reads like it is pre-S1, right? I mean, Boyd is no longer Echo's handler, and that first paragraphs is like it is describing a new show. There is nothing in this entire description that acknowledgesa anything that happened in S1 at all. So it just seems off to me.
Dana5140 | May 11, 13:40 CET
Pretty_Hate_Machine | May 11, 13:40 CET
"Joss Whedon, creator of groundbreaking cult favourites Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Firefly, returns to television and reunites with fellow Buffy alumna Eliza Dushku for a thrilling new drama, Dollhouse.
Right, but the NEW TEXT that is on the banner that wasn't there before today says "New Seasons... etc". Wouldn't be the first time Global has accidentally announced something. No one is talking about the text you reference, sir. In any case, it could all be nonsense, so :), directions: take with salt.
zeitgeist | May 11, 13:41 CET
gossi | May 11, 13:43 CET
sumogrip | May 11, 13:43 CET
SteppeMerc | May 11, 13:45 CET
If Fox let them know, they would also say they haven't announced it yet, because they would make a point of being the first to say it.
For now, I'm just happy.
Me too, and if it's true, I think Fox will be pissed at GlobalTV. Fox pissed + us happy = best day ever.
J.I.G. | May 11, 13:45 CET
GlobalCTV announced Drive's cancellation a day before Fox did. Oops!My bad, gossi- corrected :)
[ edited by zeitgeist on 2009-05-11 22:50 ]
zeitgeist | May 11, 13:46 CET
archon | May 11, 13:46 CET
Septimus | May 11, 13:47 CET
So, it's happened before in cancellation terms. I'm not saying it's happened here: haven't a clue.
gossi | May 11, 13:49 CET
This is why I should never get attached to anything new. This goes nicely with my existing rule of not getting involved with any African antelopes (yes, Gnu's).
alexreager | May 11, 13:49 CET
J.I.G. | May 11, 13:50 CET
Knuckleball | May 11, 13:50 CET
swanjun | May 11, 13:52 CET
Maybe FOX saw the number of pre-orders for the DVD and thought another season would be worth it? Hope springs eternal.
kmb99 | May 11, 13:53 CET
zeitgeist | May 11, 13:55 CET
sumogrip | May 11, 13:56 CET
Pretty_Hate_Machine | May 11, 13:56 CET
insistondoubt | May 11, 13:57 CET
FOX BROADCASTING (sitting up in chair): Did I fall asleep?
TOPHER: For a little while.
FOX BROADCASTING (standing): Should I go now?
TOPHER: If you like... Oh, hey, you renewed Dollhouse, good work!
FOX BROADCASTING: I did, didn't I?
TOPHER NODS AND GRINS, EXCESSIVELLY, GIVING A 'MISSION ACCOMPLISHED' THUMBS UP BEFORE MAKING A 'SHOO' GESTURE WITH HIS RIGHT HAND.
zeitgeist | May 11, 13:58 CET
bubblecat | May 11, 13:59 CET
Remember how we found out about the death slot? About the 14th episode not airing? The people over at Fox aren't great with PR. So I think it's possible this is a leak.
ShanshuBugaboo | May 11, 13:59 CET
That was tried for Angel season 6, Firefly season 2 and Serenity 2. Didn't quite work. And besides a fandom spreading false rumours gets looked on with great distaste from outside.
Simon | May 11, 13:59 CET
Buffy the Slayer Layer | May 11, 14:00 CET
How likely could it be that Global accidentally spilled the beans on this, and they would be in a position to know that it is renewed?
Trying not to get too excited about this...
(Also, what did Eliza tweet? Not really a follower of twitter...)
AnotherFireflyfan | May 11, 14:01 CET
seasleepy | May 11, 14:02 CET
Damnation! Was not aware of this. *back to the huge white-board of ideas*
insistondoubt | May 11, 14:02 CET
@FoxBroadcasting just tweeted:
[ edited by zeitgeist on 2009-05-11 23:04 ]
zeitgeist | May 11, 14:02 CET
Knuckleball | May 11, 14:03 CET
AnotherFireflyfan | May 11, 14:04 CET
Simon | May 11, 14:04 CET
sumogrip | May 11, 14:05 CET
zeitgeist | May 11, 14:05 CET
In the immortal words of a very famous doctor, "Good news, everyone!"
[ edited by adg1034 on 2009-05-11 23:09 ]
adg1034 | May 11, 14:06 CET
Make of that what you will.
Septimus | May 11, 14:07 CET
Sunfire | May 11, 14:07 CET
Simon | May 11, 14:08 CET
zeitgeist | May 11, 14:08 CET
Guys, I'm FREAKING OUT HERE! I must know! Unless it's not renewed...then I don't want to know.
Harmalicious | May 11, 14:09 CET
Stargyn | May 11, 14:10 CET
Her last tweet prior to that was nine hours prior and stated: "Kenya's a lil detour cuz why the hell not?! She's rt nxt dr, & ALWAYS wntd 2 visit ;)"
Should we believe these two to be connected? Maybe.
Can we hope for there to be some connection to Dollhouse? Of course.
[ edited by CrazyKidBen on 2009-05-11 23:16 ]
CrazyKidBen | May 11, 14:12 CET
Duh.
brinderwalt | May 11, 14:15 CET
knw wht i mean?
Stargyn | May 11, 14:15 CET
a little pez witch | May 11, 14:16 CET
@theonetruebix | May 11, 14:19 CET
zeitgeist | May 11, 14:19 CET
Taaroko | May 11, 14:19 CET
In Eliza's defense, Twitter only allows for updates to include a max of 140 characters. But the idea of texting with unnofficial super shorthand drives me mad, too.
CrazyKidBen | May 11, 14:20 CET
Simon | May 11, 14:21 CET
FOX BROADCASTING (sitting up in chair): Did I fall asleep?
TOPHER: For a little while.
FOX BROADCASTING (standing): Should I go now?
TOPHER: If you like... Oh, hey, you renewed Dollhouse, good work!
My boyfriend's comment on this: "FOX…trot?"
I kinda I love him. A lot. XD
sunshineguinn | May 11, 14:22 CET
ETA -
O I C, Simon. Thx 4 that, ttyl m8!
[ edited by zeitgeist on 2009-05-11 23:24 ]
zeitgeist | May 11, 14:22 CET
The "yet" seems hopeful, but they couldn't very well leave it of and just say "Dollhouse has not been renewed," if they don't want to announce it either way yet. Of course, they could have said something more convoluted like "We can neither confirm nor deny Dollhouse's status; nothing has been decided either way." But that's pretty awkward. And, the subjunctive "would" in the second sentence seems like covering their bets, since just saying "will be announced" would imply that it actually will be announced. So, yeah, carefully phrased to reveal nothing, I'm afraid.
Septimus | May 11, 14:24 CET
Simon | May 11, 14:26 CET
wiesengrund | May 11, 14:29 CET
AlanD | May 11, 14:29 CET
zeitgeist | May 11, 14:31 CET
And that worked out so well most of the time! See, my high hopes are totally justified.
sumogrip | May 11, 14:31 CET
Did you also have Global having such strange wording in banners back then? :)
Just stuff like this. But I do recall several situations where fans avidly seized on the slightest hints.
Simon | May 11, 14:31 CET
AnotherFireflyfan | May 11, 14:32 CET
zeitgeist | May 11, 14:32 CET
flugufrelsarinn | May 11, 14:32 CET
jkalderash | May 11, 14:34 CET
bubblecat | May 11, 14:35 CET
What else has the Global TV website changed lately? Were they putting up new banners for a bunch of shows recently, or what? (If so, then it seems likely Dollhouse was just accidentally included. If not, then it seems like it may be a more significant error.)
Septimus | May 11, 14:37 CET
AnotherFireflyfan | May 11, 14:38 CET
Taaroko | May 11, 14:38 CET
insistondoubt | May 11, 14:39 CET
silent knight | May 11, 14:43 CET
@theonetruebix | May 11, 14:46 CET
bubblecat | May 11, 14:47 CET
See, I can speculate too.
redeem147 | May 11, 14:49 CET
Er. Except that I'm not going to get my hopes up.
ETA: Is it possible they saw that schedule for Spring 09 that was going around a few days ago? A lot of people fell for that.
[ edited by jkalderash on 2009-05-11 23:52 ]
jkalderash | May 11, 14:52 CET
Jaymii | May 11, 14:57 CET
In javascript they have the following:
var so = new SWFObject("/Entertainment/Media/Flash/ShowNewEpisode/GlobalTV_Show_New_Episode.swf","GlobalTV_Show_New_Episode",340,122,9);
so.addVariable("feed","1448181.atom");
so.addParam("quality", "high");
so.addParam("wmode", "transparent");
so.addParam("menu", "false");
so.write("flashcontent_schedule");
AnotherFireflyfan | May 11, 15:03 CET
Septimus | May 11, 15:04 CET
<div id="flashcontent_schedule" align="center">
<div id="syndication29">
<!-- legoctl: ctl30 --><!-- CACHE HIT: syndication29 -->
<!-- Source="1448181.atom" --><div id="ShowNewEpisodePat"><div id="ShowNewEpisode"><div id="ShowNewEpisodeB"><div id="SNEContainer"><h2>New Season</h2><h1>Coming This Fall</h1><h3>DOLLHOUSE</h3><h4><P></P></h4></div></div></div></div></div>
</div>
It sort of looks like they edited it manually, but who knows.
jkalderash | May 11, 15:06 CET
Well put.
brinderwalt | May 11, 15:07 CET
AnotherFireflyfan | May 11, 15:10 CET
bubblecat | May 11, 15:16 CET
[ edited by edcsLover9 on 2009-05-12 00:22 ]
edcsLover9 | May 11, 15:22 CET
alittledarkcorner | May 11, 15:23 CET
"Dollhouse
The first season of Joss Whedon's science-fiction series comes
to a close. Don't worry, it's been renewed for another year."
Curiouser and curiouser.
mookey | May 11, 15:29 CET
brinderwalt | May 11, 15:35 CET
Illyria | May 11, 15:35 CET
What are you going to Kenya for?
Is it true that you know sign language?
Are you going 2 the animal preserve while ur there-always wanted to go on safari?
How's the food over there?
Are you the real Eliza?!?
Loved the final episode of Dollhouse! Hope there's a 2nd series!! (I know, not a question, but her response does fit with this tweet, it was around the same time as her response, so it might have been posted after).
theclynn | May 11, 15:38 CET
gossi | May 11, 15:39 CET
Where else does one obsess over a banner on the site of a Canadian network, dig into the code to see if this was an automated change or if someone went out of their way to change it and spin it every which way. If this wasn't so nerve-wrecking, it'd be very, very entertaining. Heck: on some level, it still is even now. It's almost like our own private renewal ARG ;).
So yeah: it's hard not to see this as at least positive. It might be getting our hopes up for nothing (I know mine are up right now), but that's probably preferable to getting our hopes squished for nothing, right?
But seriously, 8 posts in that old 'possible Angel renewal' thread? Really ;).
ETR: another rogue typo.
[ edited by GVH on 2009-05-12 00:42 ]
GVH | May 11, 15:40 CET
If nothing else this generated a bit of buzz online. If they cancel it, the outrage may be a curious experience for all involved.
gossi | May 11, 15:45 CET
Love the code deciphering. This is definitely fun, if not a little maddening.
ShanshuBugaboo | May 11, 15:49 CET
I don't need your stinkin hope...grumble grumble.
Cyclopticxander | May 11, 15:52 CET
anyone web handy?
PS I know I am abusive to the use of capitals and punctuation but you know.... I'm a hypocrite.
Stargyn | May 11, 15:59 CET
palehorse | May 11, 16:02 CET
Stargyn | May 11, 16:04 CET
Caroline | May 11, 16:09 CET
Sadly I had to retype this three or four times. It was hard, this will be a good habit to get it. I was abusing it but not on purpose. I also over use ellipses. Or whatever the three periods for pause and or sarcasm are.
Sorry
[ edited by Stargyn on 2009-05-12 01:16 ]
Stargyn | May 11, 16:15 CET
madmolly | May 11, 17:03 CET
"Dollhouse
The first season of Joss Whedon's science-fiction series comes to a close. Don't worry, it's been renewed for another year.
Watch » Friday at 8, KSTU Ch. 13"
ETA: But it's from the 7th, so I imagine it's just more people leaking unofficial and perhaps false news.
[ edited by Emmie on 2009-05-12 02:18 ]
Emmie | May 11, 17:17 CET
Chrisham2 | May 11, 18:07 CET
Lunakitty | May 11, 18:08 CET
Dana5140 | May 11, 18:11 CET
Lioness | May 11, 18:12 CET
Cyclopticxander | May 11, 18:17 CET
Riker | May 11, 18:29 CET
I would imagine Fox would tell the various international 'partners' about any renewal so they can hash out the required foreign broadcast rights and arrange for any subtitling or dubbing required. So Global getting told ahead of the curve is not implausible, just extremely risky because of situations like this if the news turns out to be true. And since Global has shown the Canadian feed of the majority of Fox's primetime line up for quite some time, I would imagine they would be one of the first foreign buyers to get told of more episodes in the pipe...first refusal and all that.
BlueEyedBrigadier | May 11, 19:03 CET
I'm a fan of that show too, but they probably should've cancelled it after the first season. Maybe they still really do want to try to build shows and potential franchises?
NathanG | May 11, 19:10 CET
GrrrAargh | May 11, 19:13 CET
Illyria | May 11, 19:48 CET
However, that being said, I believe the decision has already been made either way. I don't believe fan reaction at this point to a small, premature image is going to sway them in one direction or the other. At the end of the day, FOX is a corporation who's goal is to make money. If the Powers that Be feel they can make money off the show (think News Corp vetoing Fox Broadcasting Corporation for 20th Century Fox Television), then they will. Joss Whedon has sold a lot of 20th Century Fox Film Corporation/Television/Home Entertainment properties (seven seasons of Buffy + licensing rights for books, comics, games etc, five seasons of Angel + licensing rights for books, comics etc, one season of Firefly + licensing rights for comics, feature film etc). Angel was too expensive for The WB (Remember, WB stood for Warner Bros.), and no one understood Firefly's demise. Remember why Joss went back to FOX? Different people, different circumstances. That is why I have hope.
And that is the end of my theory. Now, I shall retreat from the internet until next week.
Brisco | May 11, 20:31 CET
nyrk | May 11, 22:05 CET
Simon | May 11, 22:21 CET
I'm still at the level before I saw this: hopeful, yet cautious. I don't want to get my hopes up before they are dashed in a millions pieces like the Judge was in "Innocence".
crazygolfa | May 11, 22:31 CET
fairiesDollhouse Season 2! I do, I do!shinyEcho | May 11, 23:00 CET
[ edited by The One True b!X on 2009-05-12 08:07 ]
@theonetruebix | May 11, 23:07 CET
gossi | May 11, 23:17 CET
Allen Doyle | May 11, 23:41 CET
Braeden Fireheart | May 12, 00:04 CET
WilliamTheB | May 12, 00:34 CET
As for the insta-rumors being spread earlier that Global would finance a second season ? They were having some financial issues last I checked. They aren't weathering the storm as well as a few other big Canadian networks. There was talk that next year might see certain newscasts throughout the day be repeats of earlier ones (ie, maybe a morning show, but the morning show would repeat in place of new material for an afternoon news update, that sorta thing. Likely less original Canadian programming too). There were articles about U.S. and even Australian investors possibly buying portions of Global. It's a great channel, I've watched shows on it for years, it often picks up Fox's shows for Canadian broadcast (though we also get Fox up here in many parts of Canada, so it's a little redundant in some areas), I don't wanna see it fail...
I wish they had planned to air the season finale/coda and ignored Fox on this, assuming they were given copies of the episode. They aired Buffy Season 3's "Graduation Day Part 2" (pulled due to sensitity over the Columbine massacre that year, same as "Earshot") the week after Part 1, while The WB pulled it. Many in the States had to wait until July to see it, but anyone who knew anyone online...well, it was fun mailing out tapes of the ep that year. We've had one or two other Joss-related gifts from the network over the years (we got "Surprise/Innocence" as a 2-hour Monday night Buffy event, while I think The WB spread it over Monday and Tuesday to transition the show to Tuesday nights, though I could have that wrong).
Kris | May 12, 00:52 CET
I miss the old days. :(
Knuckleball | May 12, 01:12 CET
Was s1 originally scheduled to air on Global in the Fall last year?
Simon | May 12, 01:22 CET
"Earshot"...I don't think I saw that until late into the summer. It was on a tape a friend had received for exchanging "Graduation Day Part 2" with someone from the States. Also on the tape was the 30-minute Buffy pilot !
Kris | May 12, 01:24 CET
I loved "Omega" hard. I have not wanted a show to be renewed this badly in a long time. My little heart can't stand much more of the ups and downs and the continuing not knowing about renewal. One way or another we will know soon, thank our dear and fluffy lord.
phlebotinin | May 12, 01:27 CET
gossi | May 12, 01:53 CET
Simon | May 12, 01:56 CET
gossi | May 12, 02:06 CET
wiesengrund | May 12, 02:16 CET
flugufrelsarinn | May 12, 02:17 CET
Let Down | May 12, 02:18 CET
ThorpeWithoutShrimp | May 12, 02:30 CET
maz | May 12, 02:34 CET
flugufrelsarinn | May 12, 03:02 CET
Squishy | May 12, 04:43 CET
DOLLHOUSE talk's are goin' on~ it'd be an extravaganza bonanza to return 4 rnd 2!
1 minute ago from txt
ThorpeWithoutShrimp | May 12, 04:51 CET
If you look at Eliza's earlier tweets, there's some amazing pics of her in Uganda. She truly is a mensch.
edcsLover9 | May 12, 04:57 CET
DOLLHOUSE talk's are goin' on~ it'd be an extravaganza bonanza to return 4 rnd 2!
1 minute ago from txt
yeah, I just saw it and came straight here. Does she mean, it's really possible? Somebody gave me a good dose of pessimism stat, please.
nyrk | May 12, 05:06 CET
Well, it's hard to compare the current TV landscape with previous situations. Overall viewing, the economic situation and advertising markets are completely different now than, say, 5 years ago, so basically a valuable comparison is difficult to draw. I think the most often brought example of a genre show that started out on Fox on a Friday with horrible numbers and went on to become a hit is "The X-Files". It was renewed after being near the very bottom of the scripted show rankings of that season. But Fox was a small network then, looking for other things than they're looking now, it's almost impossible to compare the situations. I think "Cheers" is another example that started out with disastrous ratings in it's first season and went on to live long and prosper.
For a current show that got renewed despite horrible numbers there's "'Til Death", reminding everyone that FBC isn't only looking at ratings, and that a studio can adjust prices cleverly if they're in it for the long term plan. Which - so I've heard - is kinda Joss' thing.
[ edited by wiesengrund on 2009-05-12 14:32 ]
wiesengrund | May 12, 05:09 CET
Back OT: Blame Canada .... Blame Caanadaa!
Shey | May 12, 05:23 CET
J.I.G. | May 12, 05:31 CET
Well, you know what they say: "Brevity is the soul of wit."
that just makes me wonder what Shakespeare's opinion of twitter was. [historical anachronism intended]
brinderwalt | May 12, 05:56 CET
Because asking "Would you like our show to return?" and getting the answer "No thanks" doesn't usually require any further conversation.
Mind you, I'm still in denial about the 'Angel' cancellation, which was over 5 years ago!
missb | May 12, 06:00 CET
400 years ago from txt
Let Down | May 12, 06:00 CET
Check out this article on what Shakespeare might be doing if he lived today.
The last line, which states "Shakespeare? He's too talented to be successful in today's market." really reminds me of...somebody.
[ edited by missb on 2009-05-12 15:13 ]
missb | May 12, 06:08 CET
BTW, does anyone know what kind of ratings Dollhouse has been getting in Canada?
SharkyBoredNow | May 12, 06:09 CET
Squishy | May 12, 06:09 CET
This file was changed yesterday and again today, just an hour ago.
I have a backup on my site of both versions, with the XML code split in several lines for readability:
Yesterday: http://www.dollverse.eu/files/globaltv_dollhouse-20090511.xml
Today: http://www.dollverse.eu/files/globaltv_dollhouse-20090512.xml
The summary of the contents for yesterday's version is:
category: New Season
title: Coming This Fall
subtitle: DOLLHOUSE
updated: 2009-05-11T16:27:54Z (which means May 11, 12:27:54 EDT)
And the new version, from today's file:
category: Starring
title: Eliza Dushku
subtitle: DOLLHOUSE
updated: 2009-05-12T13:37:49Z (which means May 12, 09:37:49 EDT)
Lino | May 12, 06:53 CET
alittledarkcorner | May 12, 07:11 CET
[ edited by embers on 2009-05-12 16:15 ]
embers | May 12, 07:14 CET
AnotherFireflyfan | May 12, 07:24 CET
Simon | May 12, 07:31 CET
Just to be really picky, I suspect Fox may have no stake (ha ha) in the comics. Writers have separated rights which means they can keep ownership of certain areas like stageplays, books etc. It's complicated, especially since Buffy started as a movie and then went to TV. Joss may own the comic rights to "Buffy" but not for Willow and Xander since they were created for Fox, for example.
I remember Joss commenting that he was writing Buffy comics during the writers strike, so that may indicate it has nothing to do with Fox.
Anyone who has a Buffy comic can check to see if it has "© 20th Century Fox" anywhere on it.
zz9 | May 12, 07:32 CET
I checked. "© 20th Century Fox Film Corporation".
Simon | May 12, 07:35 CET
Though now that I think of it, I remember it being said that Joss couldn't use Angel in the comics because of rights. If Fox presumably own Angel as well as Buffy then why would there be a conflict?
Ah well, nothing to do with the topic at hand....
zz9 | May 12, 07:54 CET
Sunfire | May 12, 07:57 CET
Simon | May 12, 07:58 CET
Kinda like how the WB had the television rights to Angel, while UPN had the television rights to Buffy, but FOX still owned both of them. During season 6, the two networks didn't want any cross overs. Same type of idea in the comics.
jfhlbuffy | May 12, 07:59 CET
I did say it was complicated....
zz9 | May 12, 08:19 CET
Sunfire | May 12, 08:25 CET
@theonetruebix | May 12, 08:57 CET
Stargyn | May 12, 08:59 CET
Simon | May 12, 09:01 CET
jkalderash | May 12, 09:02 CET
[ edited by Stargyn on 2009-05-12 18:02 ]
Stargyn | May 12, 09:02 CET
EDIT: I mean, outside of a fan site, that is...
[ edited by JMaloney on 2009-05-12 18:17 ]
JMaloney | May 12, 09:15 CET
Webmaster dude: Hey, I'm updating the website. What's going on with this "Dollhouse" thing? Is it coming back in the fall?
Producer: Oh, of course. Full season order, good timeslot, because Fox loves Joss Whedon and would never screw him over. (muttered too low for webaster dude to hear) I wish.
Webmaster dude: Well alrighty then. (updates website)
jkalderash | May 12, 09:20 CET
Dana5140 | May 12, 11:19 CET
jkalderash | May 12, 11:30 CET
Knuckleball | May 12, 11:32 CET
I don't buy it.
maxsummers | May 12, 14:17 CET
Yes, indeed, but going down that road is really looking at another perspective. Most premium cable shows (and even basic cable shows) live under totally different financial situations. Basically, every HBO show gets renewed without even bothering to look at the ratings. They don't need advertisers because they have subscriptions.
wiesengrund | May 12, 14:41 CET
Deadwood and Carnivale would like to have a talk with you.
AnotherFireflyfan | May 12, 14:45 CET
Dana5140 | May 12, 15:20 CET
Squishy | May 12, 15:28 CET
Dollhouse seems like a show that could get by on a tighter budget. Angel Season 5-style (the set reminds me so much of a cross between Wolfram and Hart and La Femme Nikita, even though I know it isn't made up of pieces from either of those two shows). Just have more things happen within the Dollhouse, since that's where a lot of the intrigue lies anyway. Although ideally plot would dictate setting and set dressings, but if that were the case we would've had a lot cooler and bigger demons on the Buffyverse shows (animatronics or actual good-looking CGI!).
Kris | May 12, 23:20 CET
Anyway, yeah, let's agree that there are shows on both network and cable that got renewed despite horrible ratings. :)
wiesengrund | May 13, 01:51 CET
I see your point, Weisengrund, the shows did at least get a second season (and a third for Deadwood). Tis still a shame when any great show gets killed, and I guess it comes more as a surprise when it's on a channel like HBO.
AnotherFireflyfan | May 13, 08:15 CET
Kris | May 13, 22:55 CET
Yeah, I have not enough data to talk about that stuff profoundly. My impression was that renewal past Season 1 was the rule on premium cable and the exception on network TV (hence my point about this being two very different situations for a show awaiting a Season 2 pick-up). Probably that impression is bogus.
wiesengrund | May 14, 01:36 CET