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May 18 2009

The Sarah Connor Chronicles cancelled according to reports. Not much of a surprise, but still news. End Of Show is reporting it as well. Update: Official statement from show creator Josh Friedman and Kevin Reilly's comments.

TVByTheNumbers goes on to say: Sources confirm that not only has FOX officially passed on renewing Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, it?s even dead as far as Warner Brothers is concerned and they are no longer shopping it to other networks. End Of Show is reporting it as well.
Update: Official statement from show creator Josh Friedman and Kevin Reilly's comments.

[ edited by brinderwalt on 2009-05-18 22:09 ]

So. Anyone willing to take a guess as to what Summer Glau's next project will be?
Summer Glau is such a doll.
;-)
It seems like they would have wanted to hold off to see if the movie does ridiculously well but yeah, that'd make for some problematic scheduling I suppose.

Still, this and Pushing Daisies were two shows from Warner Brothers that were either A: pretty decent or B: amazing and it's a slight bummer that they sort of got orphaned in part since they were shopped out to other networks that wouldn't care as much when it came to the bottom line.
This is such a disappointment. I'm so estatic that Dollhouse fot renewed, but I love this show to death. Didn't Summer say she had a movie role lined up if TSCC got cancelled? At least we have that to look forward to.
::sad sigh::

I suppose not all the news can be good.
Summer Glau is such a doll.
;-)


This picture was the first thing that came to my mind when I originally heard about Dollhouse.
Summer Glau's feet will be imprinted as feet of various personalities.
I posted this earlier on a different article, but I think it's more relevant here:

Terminator's demise doesn't surprise me in the least. I think it was given an excellent chance to succeed over its two-season run and unfortunately failed to do so entirely due to its own creative shortcomings (which I think were inherent of the show's format, and not the actors or even the story itself).
Personally I loved it, but I will freely point out that it had some major flaws (the biggest being a lack of dramatic pacing) of which there was no indication that the writers could have addressed even if the show had continued. If you factor in that the finale served as a surprisingly satisfying show ender... Hasta la vista baby. (or should it be "hasta luego" now?).
:(

Oh drat, I hope continue it as a movie. Oh wait...
This isn't terrible news because it frees Summer up to guest on Dollhouse next season.
This hiatus would be a great time for Summer to finally dance Joss's ballet... but I think he's a bit busy at the moment with Cabin and Dollhouse season 2. (And -- by the way -- when is he going to have time to work on the Dr. Horrible sequel? Grrr, Arrghh!)
That's sad news for TSCC fans all those involved with the show. I stopped watching after early s2 but I had heard it improved and lots of people seemed to really like it :(

Sorry folks.
What a disappointment. The season finale (series finale) was so good. I was really looking forward to seeing the answers to all the questions it raised. It seems odd that they didn't wait to see if Bales Terminator was a blockbuster. I think that would have brought more eyes to TSCC. Too bad they couldn't wait.
The season finale seems to set up the movie pretty well (I say this just based on the trailer). So I can't help but wonder if this was really the plan all along. After all, continuing the series after a movie starting different actors would be weird. Has that ever been done before? Doctor Who maybe?
I thought it was terrific.
What a disappointment. The season finale (series finale) was so good. I was really looking forward to seeing the answers to all the questions it raised. It seems odd that they didn't wait to see if Bales Terminator was a blockbuster. I think that would have brought more eyes to TSCC. Too bad they couldn't wait.,


The thing is, since Terminator: Salvation is (at least slated to be) the first of a trilogy, it's ending should logically lead into the beginning of the next film. The Sarah Connor Chronicles is neither here nor there in this since it exists in an entirely divergent time line. The two entities (the tv show and the Bale trilogy) are so seemingly dissimilar premise-wise that I can't see how success for one would engender the same for the other.
I think that there is always hope for a reprisal... specially once the movie hits box office... this series has been going on for how long now? I don't see it ending anytime soon.

Also I'm excited about the new movie Summer has lined up and see her on Dollhouse, because I think we all agree, she'd make a wonderful doll.

Also, what if she were IN Dr. Horrible? New villain? New Superhero?

Don't get me wrong... I will miss my Friday nights of late but I just love her and I know she's not going away anytime soon. If anything Joss will make a show for her too...
*cough* *cough* Dollhouse *cough* *cough*
I really liked this show.
V. disappointing. For a long time, until DH started to air, TSCC was my very favorite show on television.

And I agree with @mariec, my Friday nights won't be as fun without John and Cameron.
Very sad, but I'll live...I guess. This is the only show I love that isn't coming back.
The movies never really gave quality time to the machines and their relationships with humans. TSCC did and that to me, is what made it special. Cameron was real to me, as real as Data became on ST:TNG and they shared similarities that endeared them to me. The way was not always easy for this show but I'll miss it a great deal.

[ edited by Tonya J on 2009-05-18 04:49 ]
That's too bad, but not at all surprising. I enjoyed the series on whole, but there were several episodes there in the middle of s2 that dragged. Summer Glau will undoubtedly find more work. Maybe she can be a "normal" person in her next roll.
I would love to have seen more of Cameron and John. I know Joss doesn't want to over-use the folks he's previously worked with, but I think Summer Glau is a special exception who should be in everything.
I like Dollhouse but I'd seriously be willing to give up a 2nd season of Dollhouse for a 3rd season of TSCC...
I actually just started watching again with the finale since it aired before Dollhouse but I thought it was surprisingly still pretty captivating despite how I probably missed a lot of the story development. Plus I did rather feel that they left the show off in a place that brought it suspiciously close to the setting of this new take in the films.

I wonder if they'd end up tossing Summer a role in a future film or if they feel like that would make everything too convoluted? Or again, Joss could bring her back into his fold again as someone in Dr. Horrible (does she sing?) or Dollhouse...
Or again, Joss could bring her back into his fold again as someone in Dr. Horrible (does she sing?)

If not, she could be cast as Mute Button, and just dance.
I'm sad now. Not sad enough to erase my happy Dollhouse and Stark Trek vibe, but still sad.

I hope her next project is nearly as good as Terminator was, and I pray that she and Joss will reunited again (with Serving Girl, it looks like that will happen).

It would be my dream come true if she was in Dollhouse, but with the slashed budget, I doubt it even more now than ever. Her being in Dr. Horrible would be amazing too. But right now, I'd watch anything with Summer.

So, when is Serving Girl coming out again? ;)
Given that Dollhouse goes back to work soon, and they were talking about next Spring as when to do the Dr. Horrible followup, I don't know where they'd schedule making The Serving Girl. But there are worse things than having so many awesome projects to work on you're not sure when to get to them all.
I do wonder how much work is left to do on the Serving Girl, since at one point I'm pretty sure Joss even said they'd started work with a choreographer. I wonder how far they got with it before Joss suddenly became Mr. Do Everything once again.
Yeah. I know. And don't get me wrong, I want Joss to focus on Dollhouse. But a man can only go so long without Summer (or at least this man). ;)
Maybe she can be a "normal" person in her next roll.

This would be nice... although when does that ever really happen in the Jossverse?

*** It states on IESB.net that they were beginning to work on the choreography.

Joss is quoted as saying "We’re hoping that sometime in the late spring/early summer we will actually get to shoot it."

That was February 2008. Then the strike ended. ***

[ edited by mariec on 2009-05-18 05:48 ]

[ edited by mariec on 2009-05-18 05:49 ]
Way back at Comic-Con 2007, when he first outed the project, I think he said he'd been talking to a choreographer. Wasn't clear how much actual work had happened.
Yeah, but I know a few months later--maybe the following spring?--he said something about having done actual work with the guy. I'll see if I can dig up the quote.
You're quite right. A bunch of quotes here on TSG, inc. one from Feb 2008 about finishing the score and working with a choreographer.
Damn it!!! As much as I'd love to see Summer as a doll (who wouldn't?), I'd much prefer a TSCC Season 3. Yes, I know they had all their chances to make it a hit show. But I actually fell in love with it by the end of Season 2 and the season (series :( ) finale was so incredible. *emphatic sigh* Oh well; to be fair, most of the shows I care about are coming back (including Dollhouse, so super-mega-hypa-yay! for that, I am still geek-high from that news) but I really liked TSCC. Much more than that, one of my friends was very involved with the campaign to save TSCC, and I think she's going to be heartbroken tonight. I have no idea how to console her tomorrow.
Thank you very much, b!x and mariec both, for doing my legwork for me.
Not surprised in the least but still very disappointed. I believe the season 2 ender works well as a series finale but was soo curious to see where they would have taken the show from there. As for Summer, I'd love to see her in a kick-ass role on the movie screen more than in Dollhouse, tbh. I'd love to see her again as River more than anything else, but, well...pipe dreams, and all that.
Agreed, CarpeNoctem. They just clearly failed with the timing, the beginning of S2 was average at best and painfully bad at times. It was so much worse than S1 that I don't wonder why the viewers vanished. The excellence of the end-half wasn't enough, audience was already gone. Which is sad, as it really was good.
Warner Brothers isn't interested in shopping the show around, but isn't the creator ? Is he allowed to ? Didn't Joss shop Firefly around when Fox canceled it ? Once the original network passes on renewal/cancels, can a creator only shop their show around after he/she has the blessing of the production company ?

tSCC fans, I only caught one episode (in early Season 2). Though I'll likely watch the two seasons eventually, prepare me--how satisfyingly does it end ? They have to have left at least a little bit open, since they couldn't know for sure that they wouldn't get a Season 3 pick-up, but is it to an infuriating degree, or was there enough closure (plot-wise and emotionally) for you to be okay with this decision in the end and not start a massive save-the-show campaign ?

Two of my best friends are broken up about it (although they've already lived through the grief since they thought it was canceled in March).
Joss got to shop Firefly around because 20th Century FOX Television allowed him to. So, yeah, the studio -- the owner -- has to allow it.
Kris, I was satisfied with the way The Sarah Connor Chronicles went out; though it certainly did leave lots of room for expansion, it provided a plausible connection back into the rest of the franchise, and a case can be made, with some assumed elasticity of events, that the other Terminator explorations can complete the story from approximately where the show leaves off.

Certainly, it would have been worth further exploration, and I'm sad that we didn't get to see more of Summer's humanizing influence on her character, but in my opinion the conclusion won't leave you devastated. On a scale of Buffy to Angel to Firefly, I would place it nearer Angel, even a little to the Buffy side.
Mercenary, that's reassuring, thanks.

Thanks b!X for confirmation/clear-up.
Too bad for Summer. She'd be excellent on Dollhouse, though.
The amazing Friday line-up of Dollhouse and Terminator was, I think, unrivalled since the days that I would watch Simpsons, (Frasier), and then Babylon 5 all in sequence. While Dollhouse was in its beginnings I was looking forward to the continuing universe of Terminator far more than the newly burgeoning one of Dollhouse. That reversed on its head at some point, and then reversed back, and then rev ... well, I love Dollhouse very much now.

I'm ecstatic that both Dollhouse and Castle (and Chuck, though I haven't had a chance to see it yet) are giving us our lovely Whedonverse actors, but the overarching premise and slow explorations of Terminator is something that I'm going to miss.

Is anybody else who loved T:SCC somewhat confused about whether to be excited for Bale's Terminator?
Ooh what if Summer were guest star in Dollhouse season 2 as a Firefly villain, ala Caleb,Jasmine,Hamilton and Alpha.
@efehan Confused? No. I'm pretty sure of my total lack of excitement.
So, when is Serving Girl coming out again? ;)

I asked Summer this at the T1 Convention a couple of weeks ago, she said the only thing getting in the way was scheduling, she needed to be free the same time as Joss and that had been going on for 'years'. And although she may be free later this year, Joss is now going to be working on Dollhouse.

And back OT - I am very sad for T:SCC fans. The show really got things swinging at the end of the Season, but I think it came too late. I am sure Summer will do the project she had lined up - and hopefully will grace TV again soon.
They should make a direct-to-DVD Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles movie or two to finish up the story. I'd buy them.
*Now praying the one true god to see Summer Glau on Dollhouse*
Sad to see it go. Liked the series so much better than T3. And given my dislike of Christian Bale, not hopeful for T4.
Is anybody else who loved T:SCC somewhat confused about whether to be excited for Bale's Terminator?
efehan | May 18, 09:38 CET



Yeah, me. This franchise really benefited from a long-arc format, and I adore Thomas Dekker, as well as the rest of the cast. I predict that Salvation will be a big heartless FX fest, in comparison.

Plus, I share Caroline's dislike for Christian Bale. Nothing to do with bad behavior, he just creeps me out, and I'm not fond of his acting style (All technique, no heart, IMO).

T:TSCC was my second favorite show on TV, with BSG gone.
I don't know - I think Bale can act and he's incredibly intense... But I suspect that travels off screen, too.

I'm looking forward to 'Terminator: Salvation' in theory, but I do worry it'll be all action set pieces, all noise, no message.
A shame for the terminator fans. Although in recent boards/polls many just seemed hostile and unintelligent, but still.

Did anyone else read the 'Joss Whedons Biggest Fan' comment? Oh dear.

Summer Glau would make an awesome doll. They're in need of a new November now, I guess.
Shey wrote:

Plus, I share Caroline's dislike for Christian Bale. Nothing to do with bad behavior, he just creeps me out, and I'm not fond of his acting style (All technique, no heart, IMO).



Yeah, I feel the same way. It has nothing to do with his off screen antics. I just don't like him on screen. Very cold.

And I loved the TSCC cast too.
Over at TSCC wiki they're waiting the official announcement as if the outcome could still be a happy one. And SaveTerminator just tweeted to stay positive. Is there a chance or are they just deluded?

Oh, quite a few hardcore fanboys are hating on Dollhouse. Basically, they're convinced it got picked up over TSCC and are probably swearing revenge, boycotts and all manners of trolling right now.
Well "fan" comes from fanatic after all
I feel bad for the TSCC fanbase right now, particularly the ones who think there's still hope. I've been there with shows before, thinking it had a chance when (psst) it didn't. Sigh.

Anyhoo, does anyone know if there's a twitter feed or website that'll be live-updating upfront info?
I for one would like to voice my support and admiration for Christian Bale. I think he is quite talented, and am quite a fan. I think he is a far better John Connor than Dekker (though I loved the exploration of the relationship between John and Cameron, Dekker never convinced me as a future resistance leader). He was excellent in 3:10 to Yuma, Batman(s), and I am sure he will be good in Salvation. I wish that it would have more connection to TSCC, like Summer, but if wishes were fishes, I'd have a whole pond. But the most impressive role I've ever seen Christian Bale in was Prestige. Awesome movie, with an excellent job by all the cast. Perhaps Salvation will not compare to TSCC, and I doubt it will, but as far as I can foresee, the problem will not be Bale. I could be wrong of course, but he certainly seems to me to be the best part of the movie from the trailers.

Also, few people can approach his ability to take on other (primarily American, but they are numerous American accents, not always the same one). The fact that he stayed in American accent while interviewing for the Dark Knight, as well as during his berating of the light man in Terminator is... odd, to say the least, but I care far more about his on screen performance than off screen, and I for one think he is excellent.

Despite the above, I would gladly have sacrificed Salvation to see more Summer in TSCC. But it is too late, and as sad as it is, Kevin Reilly is accurate in his assessment: they did give TSCC a very fair chance.
It's funny, but Summer Glau and Christian Bale are my two favorite currently-active actors, an opinion I formed based on their past acting careers and not their recent more mainstream projects (for the record, I knew virtually nothing about the Terminator franchise/had never seen the movies until last fall).
Do you like Huey Lewis and the news?
I first saw Bale in Little Women (cottage viewing, rental store only had so much new at the time) as "Laurie". Didn't take note of him until American Psycho though (in a huge way). He was also in Velvet Goldmine (never did see all of that). Missed a lot of his post-Pscyho, climbing-the-Hollywood-ladder roles, never saw Reign of Fire, Laurel Canyon (always meant to see both of those--one's CGI dragons, one's Frances McDormand), or Equilibrium.

The Machinist was something else, not just for Bale's physical transformation.

I liked him a lot in Harsh Times, as weird as it was to see him acting that way at first.

Haven't seen The New World (that Colin Farrel/Pocahontas flick), dunno if Bale's part was all that big in it.

Thought everyone was great in Rescue Dawn.

The Prestige, eh. I enjoyed it, but it left me a little cold for some reason, couldn't feel much for any of the characters.

Haven't got around to 3:10 to Yuma yet.

Much as I like Bale, I didn't really like the decision to cast him as John Connor, not after he was just Bruce Wayne/Batman twice in a row. I hate how Hollywood latches on like that and casts a current favorite in everything just for the star power, regardless of whether they're right for the role (Tom Hanks and Tom Cruise are problematic in this respect, although Cruise less so in recent years), although I do understand that's just the nature of the beast. Also kinda prefer John Conner as smaller and scrappy (Edward Furlong in T2, Nick Stahl in T3, Thomas Dekker in the series), who says leaders of futuristic resistances need to be tall and musclebound ? (yeah, I know he was wordlessly depicted as such in the future scenes in the first two Terminators). Was Stahl considered for this one anyway ? T3 didn't do poorly at the box office.

I'm a little worried T4 will be soul-less as well. Maybe it won't. The first two, the second especially, managed to have heart. Possibly more than any other big budget action film of their times.
Bale is great in Laurel Canyon - no pressure to be a hero and a complicated situation to deal with.

However, I must stick up for the kid: I think he is a far better John Connor than Dekker ...

Dekker was a 21-year-old playing a 16-year-old and I thought he did a fine job, especially with the death of Riley and all the suspicion and doubt about Cameron. Did she do it, is she bad again, what's wrong with her, not to mention maneuvering the often rocky road with his mother, who expected him to be grown up enough to handle himself, yet still be under her thumb. Bale was a young guy too once and I would hardly have called him a savant in Spielberg's big epic that made Bale a name. It took him years to become a fully mature force on screen.
But the most impressive role I've ever seen Christian Bale in was Prestige. Awesome movie, with an excellent job by all the cast.
SteppeMerc | May 18, 18:39 CET


So just different strokes. I loved The Prestige, but for me, the contrast between Bale and Hugh Jackman, highlighted everything I don't like about Bale's acting style. Jackman is one of those actors who taps into his characters on an inner level, and brings them to life from the inside out. Bale is IMO an actor who layers on a finely-honed technique, but doesn't ever reach inside for the deep emotional stuff.

Haven't seen The New World (that Colin Farrel/Pocahontas flick), dunno if Bale's part was all that big in it.
Kris | May 18, 23:11 CET


Ah, what a gorgeous, magical, tragic marvel of a film this is, Terrance Mallick at his finest. I can't recommend it highly enough to anyone who hasn't seen it.
Bales part wasn't huge, but oddly enough, I liked him better in this highly sympathetic role than in anything else I've seen.

But he didn't share screen time with Colin Farrell, so I was able to actually notice he was there .... um, I mean, focus on his performance. ;)

More OT: glad to see that someone else shares my appreciation for Thomas Dekker's John Connor, TonyaJ. There was a lot of subtle stuff there, as the character evolved, and I think Dekker did a really fine job of it.

Damn, I am so going to miss this show.

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