Firefly: Would FOX or NBC Be Willing To Bring It Back?
TV by the Numbers looks at the possibility of more Firefly.
Now that Dollhouse has been renewed, is this a sign that Fox realizes they made a mistake with Firefly, and could they possibly bring it back?
May 29 2009
This thread has been closed for new comments.
You need to log in to be able to post comments.
About membership.
*sits back and watches the inevitable firestorm that this is going to cause.*
Anyone wanna beer? I got about two dozen in the cooler?
[ edited by crazygolfa on 2009-05-30 04:59 ]
crazygolfa | May 29, 19:56 CET
crazygolfa, I'd love one.
Egghead | May 29, 20:00 CET
Chewy | May 29, 20:02 CET
No, its a sign that speculative articles about Joss get lots of pageviews.
ETA - you're gonna be sleeping a long time, Chewy!
[ edited by zeitgeist on 2009-05-30 05:05 ]
zeitgeist | May 29, 20:03 CET
wilder | May 29, 20:05 CET
wonderflonium | May 29, 20:11 CET
Kris | May 29, 20:17 CET
Let Down | May 29, 20:19 CET
It's not nice to tease people like this. Really.
[ edited by Ifwewait on 2009-05-30 05:21 ]
Ifwewait | May 29, 20:20 CET
cronopiogal | May 29, 20:25 CET
mister0 | May 29, 20:29 CET
It ain't gonna happen. If there won't be a movie, which Joss has said, there won't be a show. Plus, some of the actors are kinda busy you know.
SteppeMerc | May 29, 20:33 CET
vampmogs | May 29, 20:40 CET
Giles_314 | May 29, 20:41 CET
zeitgeist | May 29, 20:44 CET
No. Bare minimum, the actors need to be free to do a regular series.
Now if we're talking about a MOVIE sequel, or maybe some kind of small mini-series... that doesn't sound as far fetched, but it's still likely no in any case.
archon | May 29, 20:51 CET
mister0 | May 29, 20:51 CET
Five years from now it might be a different story. I am guessing that if Fox could do something, they would have by now.
IrrationaliTV | May 29, 20:52 CET
I wrote the piece because it had been discussed with me by fans and others. It's not for "page views," because I have no advertisements! Yes, TV BY THE NUMBERS is also running the piece as an op ed. They do have advertising. The reason I suggested the article to them was to show that there is still valid interest in the subject matter.
Maybe if anything one of those producers I mentioned might contact Mutant Enemy and try and get it rolling.
TV Movies make sense, they'd make money for everyone involved. Fans win, Studios win, Networks win.
nickc | May 29, 20:56 CET
zeitgeist | May 29, 21:06 CET
This would just look so cheap compared to the TV series in term of production value, the sets, background, effects, costumes, locations etc, that it would almost certainly suck big time.
Shows have been made with greatly reduced budgets forcing changes, during the third Doctor on DW they had the Tardis being disabled so the entire series could be shot in present day England and not need any alien sets or worlds. Could Mal lose Serenity and the crew spend a whole movie trapped in one small location? One that looked like southern California?
zz9 | May 29, 21:06 CET
As for doing it on a budget, if BSG can do as well as it did, Firefly certainly can. Granted, I don't know the average cost per episode for Battlestar, but Zoic was the special effects company behind both, right?
archon | May 29, 21:12 CET
IrrationaliTV | May 29, 21:12 CET
But with time, in a few years, I could imagine that this is the way to go for the franchise. Given its reliable money-making potential, it's quite reasonable to expect the rights holders to milk it with more than just the occassional comic somewhere along the line.
And if it does happen, somewhere down the line, I'd be giddy with joy :)
GVH | May 29, 21:18 CET
zeitgeist | May 29, 21:21 CET
flamepulse | May 29, 21:24 CET
It's an op ed piece being read by a whole lot of non-Whedon fans.
zz9, my apologies but give me even $2M and I could make a 2 hour SCI-FI movie today.
TamaraC, Even without a set, there is no reason for it to cost that much. I know people who could likely put it all together for $3M and make it look like $10M was spent. It's very possible.
nickc | May 29, 21:27 CET
I thought Fox still had the TV rights and Universal had the movie rights?
Anonymous1 | May 29, 21:28 CET
I know, I push this one every chance I get. I will until Joss does it. ;)
@theonetruebix | May 29, 21:28 CET
No, but you aren't THAT new to how this fandom/the internet works, right? By Thursday someone will be claiming it is happening and be unable to reveal their sources (when in reality they have lifted the idea from your article). Meanwhile, broken hearts aplenty. If you ask any producer, none of them are the types who sit around and talk without making things happen. Mutant Enemy isn't doing it because they've tried it in the past and they are busy at the moment. I also suspect Joss isn't all that interested in getting his heart stepped on again just yet with that particular property.
zeitgeist | May 29, 21:32 CET
IrrationaliTV | May 29, 21:32 CET
All this other stuff: Seems mighty conjectural to me.
Tin Ear Tom | May 29, 21:33 CET
/I'll get me coat....
zz9 | May 29, 21:34 CET
zeitgeist | May 29, 21:37 CET
[ edited by TamaraC on 2009-05-30 06:39 ]
IrrationaliTV | May 29, 21:38 CET
Barry Woodward | May 29, 21:41 CET
But if you have a fandom used to a look and feel of a show and you give them something that looks cheap then they're going to be disappointed. And a Firefly movie made for $4m would look cheap compared to the series, where they could at least spread the cost of the set across the series. Building that set for a cheap two hour TV movie? And the locations? The western villages dressed with Chinese influences? The CGI? The stunts? The cast?
All that for $4m?
zz9 | May 29, 21:42 CET
zeitgeist | May 29, 21:44 CET
@theonetruebix | May 29, 21:45 CET
nickc | May 29, 21:52 CET
Darn, I was hoping you had seen the legal documents.
Firefly/Serenity without the ship set being built would be like filming Serenity: The Other Half.
B!x,
Real shiny ideas!
[ edited by Anonymous1 on 2009-05-30 06:57 ]
Anonymous1 | May 29, 21:52 CET
nickc | May 29, 21:55 CET
NickC, talk to the legal department, then blog.
IrrationaliTV | May 29, 21:56 CET
zeitgeist | May 29, 21:57 CET
[ edited by Barry Woodward on 2009-05-30 07:10 ]
Barry Woodward | May 29, 22:02 CET
[ edited by Succatash on 2009-05-30 07:06 ]
mister0 | May 29, 22:05 CET
If you ever get to talk to the legal departments at Universal and/or Fox, find out if the TV rights expire. Cause I remember reading that on the Internet. It was something like Sci-Fi/Universal could not make a Serenity TV show until Fox's TV rights expire. And that the rights expired in 10 or so years after the show. This information is from memory...no legal departments involved.
Thanks for writing the article/blog we are talking about.
Anonymous1 | May 29, 22:07 CET
A TVM is of course going to cost less, but a tenth?
The cost of making Firefly was helped by spreading the on-off cost of building the set and hiring a cast of (then) cheap unknowns.
A TVM is going to have to support the cost of that set all by itself (and if you can't have Serenity then it won't work) and many of the cast are now popular stars able to command a decent salary. Much as I know the cast love the project and Joss I don't think it would be fair to expect them to work for scale just so Fox can make a profit.
Even at $6m you are still planning to make a two hour TVM for the same per-minute cost as the TV show, with the set built and an unknown cast.
Joss does know how to get value for money. But even Dr Horrible borrowed the Universal "New York Street" backlot for free and some guy's ready made mad scientist apartment.
If that set was in storage somewhere and could be rebuilt in a day then that part at least would be dealt with. But it isn't.
zz9 | May 29, 22:11 CET
Will you all really say that you can't see a show were Simon, Kaylee, Book and River are the main focus, while Jayne is on a bender with call girls and Zoe and Wash are out searching for Mal?
.
I think that Joss, Tim and Jane could put together quite a special story using that scenario.
Does anyone know what Sean is doing? Ron has his own dinner theatre in upstate Cali, Jewel doing anything serious after Atlantis?
Chuck was almost not renewed, Castle was on the bubble for a bit.
"V" could be very good, or it may not and Gina's new Law series Washington Fields could match "V",
This is not a bad idea at all. I love it and would pay my money to see it many many time.
but.....
The chances of this happening are None and Much less than NONE.
shepherdbookshair | May 29, 22:12 CET
zz9 | May 29, 22:16 CET
[ edited by Anonymous1 on 2009-05-30 07:37 ]
Anonymous1 | May 29, 22:22 CET
[ edited by Barry Woodward on 2009-05-30 08:10 ]
Barry Woodward | May 29, 22:28 CET
Obviously Glau would cost more, but I don't see any of the rest of the cast besides Fillion commanding any great amount of money. If the cast want to do it and Whedon wants to do it, it's something that packaged right could be sold.
A new series is impossible right now, but a Made For TV Movie could work.
nickc | May 29, 22:31 CET
hacksaway | May 29, 22:33 CET
nickc | May 29, 22:33 CET
IrrationaliTV | May 29, 22:43 CET
nickc | May 29, 22:59 CET
embers | May 29, 23:02 CET
IrrationaliTV | May 29, 23:04 CET
ETA: Jinx, you owe me a bourbon and ginger.
[ edited by The One True b!X on 2009-05-30 08:05 ]
@theonetruebix | May 29, 23:04 CET
IrrationaliTV | May 29, 23:07 CET
Boom! I love you guys.
mister0 | May 29, 23:12 CET
Simon | May 29, 23:14 CET
@theonetruebix | May 29, 23:23 CET
Moving on seems to have brought us back to square one.
mister0 | May 29, 23:25 CET
@theonetruebix | May 29, 23:25 CET
EBPTA: b!X, please let me keep my thoughts.
Mercenary | May 29, 23:25 CET
@theonetruebix | May 29, 23:27 CET
And that's assuming that none of them hold out for silly money.
So we're already up to around $8m and your original figures were based on $4m.
Not saying it's never going to happen, but with the Serenity set and the look of the show being suck a big deal it would make more sense to spread that cost over more screen time, and that would mean mini series, and that would mean interfering with many cast commitments.
Maybe a reduced crew? If we follow the movie then we'd have no Wash or Book. Do a Blake's Seven and lose Mal? How about a mini series starring River and Zoe with Simon, Kaylee and Jayne and the search for Mal? Plenty of potential for conflict in that crew! Nathan could do a cameo at the end.
zz9 | May 29, 23:29 CET
Now, I think we should read his article as : How is it possible that no Firefly Tv movie was ever made ? We all know that it would make sense money-wise so that's not a problem.
I'm guessing the responsibility lies more with Mutant Enemy, and therefore Joss, who decided to move on rather than "flogging this dead horse" as Simon put it. The classic purple man line, "when someone comes and offers me a deal", is just a way of saying "as I don't have hope for that, I'm not going to try too hard". I don't blame the master, but I really think he could make it happen, if he put his mind to it.
Léo | May 29, 23:30 CET
Star Trek fans were told that back in the 1960's.
mister0 | May 29, 23:35 CET
@theonetruebix | May 29, 23:37 CET
I think most of you forget what happened. Joss didn't want to work with FOX again so a TV Movie hasn't been brought up to them. Now that he is working with them again on DOLLHOUSE it's an actual possibility.
nickc | May 29, 23:38 CET
nickc | May 29, 23:39 CET
NickC got lucky on his Dollhouse predictions and we imbue him with some sort of knowledge because we wanted him to be right. It could have extremely easily gone the other way. And NickC knows that.
I guess I should just stop now, 'cause what do I know. sheez!
[ edited by TamaraC on 2009-05-30 08:45 ]
IrrationaliTV | May 29, 23:42 CET
I do believe that a Tv movie would make sense money wise, but everyone is entitled to its opinion. I only say this because it seems to me that dvd sales would be huge, and that you could hope at least the kind of ratings that Dollhouse had at its beginnings. Therefore it seems viable to me. As you said, I don't know what I am talking about, but I can reflect on the issue as anyone else.
I also don't know that Joss hasn't tried. But trying now would make sense, as he likes once again Fox. And I can't help to think that saying you're waiting for your phone to ring is kind of a cop-out. And as I said, I don't blame anyone, God knows Joss, if that's the case, has good reasons not to work towards a Firefly sequel.
Finally, saying NickC got lucky means he is as useless and ignorant as, say, me and flipped a coin in his room. That's not the case, so even if luck was part of the process, network and knowledge might have had something to do with it.
Léo | May 29, 23:56 CET
My memory may not be the best, and my speculations might not end up being spot on or even close at times. However when I say something is going on in the industry, it is.
nickc | May 30, 00:01 CET
@theonetruebix | May 30, 00:04 CET
Whatever needed to be done, no Serenity, no locations, smaller cast, whatever, would make it a clearly substandard and disappointing product.
You'd really need $4m per hour, a figure I've seen quoted for the BSG miniseries. And that would be back to $8m for a two hour TVM which also fits the "$6m + 7 Years inflation + cast" estimate.
Also Nick, Joss didn't want to work with FBC, he never had a problem with 20th Studio, and they could have shopped it anywhere.
zz9 | May 30, 00:06 CET
zz9 | May 30, 00:08 CET
Simon | May 30, 00:25 CET
My fandom heart says yes please to more Firefly. But my fandom mind says no way, aint going to happen.
Simon | May 30, 03:16 CET
Maybe a mini-series rather than a TV movie? I know again it's all about cost. I have no idea how that side of things work. But I can't see why they wouldn't have had a converstation at the very least about it.
bubblecat | May 30, 03:42 CET
Shep | May 30, 03:47 CET
000 | May 30, 04:02 CET
Dana5140 | May 30, 04:29 CET
But you thought the BtVS movie reboot was too soon? The Firefly sequel so soon.
I can almost see them wanting to reboot Buffy. She is iconic. WonderCon 2007 program - Lara Croft, Spock, Spiderman, Sailor Moon and Buffy. Front cover.
buffywrestling | May 30, 04:31 CET
[ edited by Sunfire on 2009-05-30 13:34 ]
Sunfire | May 30, 04:34 CET
If they shot it in a cheap place, I bet they could do it very cost effective and still have a quality look to it all. Whether a TV movie of that nature could be done within 6 mil, I don't know.
[ edited by archon on 2009-05-30 13:45 ]
archon | May 30, 04:41 CET
doghouse | May 30, 04:54 CET
Also, If FOX would be willing to make a Firefly TVM, why not let them make an The OC TVM? I'm sure that'll have MASSIVE buzz.
Jaymii | May 30, 05:39 CET
Joss has moved on. The cast has moved on (some spectacularly so).
Let us remember our lost love fondly, even with passion, but it's time for us to move on.
Old_Scout | May 30, 05:45 CET
Would it be awesome? YES. Is it likely? I don't think so. Would I jump up and down like a schoolgirl and make squealing noises? Yes, of course. Would the earth rumbles from said jumping be felt on other continents? Probably. But I'm happy to have Castle back for my Fillion-fix in the meantime, and hoping for more Tudyk on Dollhouse next season...I'll take what I can get!
knitgrrl | May 30, 05:57 CET
I've wondered a few times what Joss is going to be making when he's in his 70s. I see the humour tapering off and him making bitter and existentialist but brilliant films. I'm roughly half joking
Let Down | May 30, 06:01 CET
redeem147 | May 30, 06:13 CET
LiLi | May 30, 06:49 CET
Who among us, haven't thought about what they would do if they won millions in the lottery, you may not even play the lottery for weeks or months at a time, but those dreamy thoughts are still with you. Why is it that so many are so damned eager to dash the dreams and thoughts of someone else?
My opinion is that the Miami Dolphins will kick Tom Brady's ass and go on to win the SuperBowl this year, my opinion is that Man U. will not win a championship in the next 5 years, my opinion is someday we will get more of the Firefly verse, I think it can be done and one day it will be done.
It doesn't make you a better person, because you can smash someones hope, it doesn't make you smarter either, it makes you cold and mean. Let others believe and feels what they will especially if it isn't going to hurt you in any way.
shepherdbookshair | May 30, 07:13 CET
The naysayers get to play, too. That doesn't make us cold and mean, it makes us differently-opinioned.
[ edited by The One True b!X on 2009-05-30 16:57 ]
@theonetruebix | May 30, 07:54 CET
Pretty_Hate_Machine | May 30, 08:03 CET
WhoIsOmega? | May 30, 08:15 CET
To the best of my knowledge there are no right or wrong opinions, but if someone really cares about a project and really believe in it, shouldn't we just let them have their faith?
Nick says he has access to producers who may have shown an interest in this idea, I will take him at his word, but some seem to want to attack him on this, btw, that is my opinion.
I don't know or talk to any producers and I haven't been infront of a movie camera in over two decades, so I have no clue as to the inner workings and dealings, but he wasn't stating his Firefly ideas as fact, just opinion, who knows maybe he has it right.
shepherdbookshair | May 30, 08:43 CET
Additionally, I can understand the wariness of the long-term fans whenever a "new" round of rampant speculation of this sort surfaces, but speaking as a new Firefly fan (8 months and counting) without years of waiting and dissapointment to weigh down my hopes and dreams, I really do believe that the potential for Firefly's future is much brighter than it ever has been before this year.
[ edited by brinderwalt on 2009-05-30 17:45 ]
brinderwalt | May 30, 08:44 CET
Anyway, there are lots of ways of thinking about how the story could continue on the small screen, if any of the networks are interested. It seems obviously viable if structured right. The bigger question is how much will there is behind such projects. Not much, I think. On the other hand, networks have been reviving older ideas lately (Knight Rider, V). Not all of those efforts have succeeded, but a mild reboot of Firefly would be a far better bet than most.
[ edited by ern on 2009-05-30 18:01 ]
ern | May 30, 08:59 CET
There's no reason they'd be against making a TVM. They could sell it to any network and it would also boost the sales of their original series DVDs. I'm sure they'd love to do it, if the sums added up.
But I think they may also realise that a uber cheap TVM could not only fail but damage the show permanently.
zz9 | May 30, 09:04 CET
This would also very likely mean recasting younger actors, which would also keep down the cost. Maybe have the original cast make cameo's.
zz9 | May 30, 09:11 CET
Fox the network, and my point is that I think there's been significant enough regime change at the network for them to be willing to seriously consider bringing Firefly back.
brinderwalt | May 30, 09:14 CET
Simon | May 30, 09:17 CET
BSG btw is much cheaper than you're yammering on about. $4M an hour?!?!? SCI-FI is cheap and would never, ever agree to anything along those lines.
nickc | May 30, 09:29 CET
embers | May 30, 09:36 CET
Rebooting the tv series would be a dream come true. But that seems unlikely to happen. I'm not getting my hopes up until I hear that it's actually being discussed.
What about the idea of doing a spin-off show? Joss created a big verse, there is certainly room for other stories in that verse. It would get around the scheduling problems with actors - they could certainly guest in various episodes when they have time. I know I'd love to see something set in this verse.
Anyway, this is all just speculation. The one thing I gathered is Nick C claims to have access to the unpublished numbers and that Firefly is one of the best sellers on dvd. I'm sure that the execs look at those numbers. The only thing we can do is keep spreading the word, keep those dvds strong, keep the signal out there.
AnotherFireflyfan | May 30, 09:50 CET
Can you not tell your fellow posters what to say here, it comes over as somewhat rude.
Simon | May 30, 09:52 CET
Rune | May 30, 09:56 CET
Have your sources talked to Uni's or 20th's lawyers yet? There are very good reasons why no FF movie has been made.
IrrationaliTV | May 30, 10:04 CET
This is a good illustration why in many ways I just think it just might be a bad idea to ponder a wholesale revival of the show. No one's going to get exactly what they want, no matter how it would be done, and I can't help but wonder if anyone, on the creative side, would really want to take on that headache.
We'd all have to brace for an inevitable onslaught of "no Wash? feh!" or "no Book? feh!" or "no Zoe? feh!" or "no ship? feh!" comments. Sounds pretty exhausting to me. ;)
@theonetruebix | May 30, 10:08 CET
Caroline | May 30, 10:14 CET
gossi | May 30, 10:16 CET
Only one of the original cast or even just Joss Whedon at the helm would be enough for me because I think the characters and 'verse are so well formed that each would have no trouble standing on its own. In fact, I would love to see multiple spinoffs of the original series each following the continuing lives of one of the original main characters, but that's just me of course.
[ edited by brinderwalt on 2009-05-30 19:22 ]
brinderwalt | May 30, 10:20 CET
'talking to people who know what they are talking about", you are not trumping all other views. That is because you are not saying where the facts come from, or who the people are- so you can't legitimately expect people to just take you at your word.
Maybe you can't quote your sources because they wouldn't like that and would stop telling you stuff? That's fine, but doesn't back up your arguments. And since you aren't saying that something is going to happen, but rather that it ought to happen, surely you can see why the "facts" you refer to don't inspire total confidence?
[ edited by toast on 2009-05-30 19:34 ]
toast | May 30, 10:33 CET
If you're talking about the original mini-series I believe (we're talking 6 year old memories here) the entire series cost around $8M and that included having to ditch some of the earlier designs. Still $8M over 3 hours is $2.6M an hour which means my $4M estimate still stands.
This is my line of work. I know what a budget would be, and unless they added a lot of FX shots, $4M to $6M is an easy to pull off budget that would be high quality. The V remake was done on the cheap and it didn't look cheap (Although they could improve the FX on Tudyk's tear).
The FOX people I spoke to spoke as if it was possible for them to do, I speculated that if it wasn't then it was in Universal's hands and how NBC or USA or SCI-FI or any of the Networks could air a Made For TV Movie. The rights are most certainly clearly in one of their hands. The reason FOX has never made a made for TV movie is nobody at Mutant Enemy has ever pitched it to them. I'm under the impression that it was tossed around a while back and they didn't have the nerve to approach Mutant Enemy about it, now Peter Rice would be the guy and that isn't a problem.
Also I don't have sources, I talk to the people directly. I don't get 2nd hand info, and when I do I report it as such.
Thanks! Also put it this way: If you heard Joss Whedon was offered a 2 hour made for TV movie for FIREFLY and was given a budget of $5M and he accepted, would you be happy?
nickc | May 30, 10:38 CET
nickc | May 30, 10:41 CET
If I have been in any way contributing to this negative trend I would like to sincerely apologize to my fellow whedonesquers and to the powers that be. :(
[ edited by Simon on 2009-05-30 19:50 ]
brinderwalt | May 30, 10:44 CET
ETA: Who frakked up the formatting this time?
[ edited by The One True b!X on 2009-05-30 19:47 ]
@theonetruebix | May 30, 10:46 CET
IrrationaliTV | May 30, 10:47 CET
Getting Whedon and his properties some free PR during summer isn't a bad thing. If some new people watch on Hulu or buy a DVD set or give DOLLHOUSE a try from reading the article on my site or TVBTN, then all the better. It wasn't written for anything but good intentions.
nickc | May 30, 10:51 CET
TamaraC, I'm talking to people at FOX BROADCASTING. I'm not talking to anyone at 20th Century. If you know where the rights lie and what the issues are then share them.
nickc | May 30, 10:53 CET
Pretty sure, no one at FBC was any say in the matter at all.
IrrationaliTV | May 30, 11:00 CET
nickc | May 30, 11:06 CET
And of course, if the rights issue was to get cleared up, 20th could make whatever they wanted and sell it to any network or outlet that they wanted. FBC doesn't control 20th. They are very separate entities.
I'm actually quite surprised that you didn't know that. That definitely puts things into a different (and much more clear) light.
[ edited by TamaraC on 2009-05-30 20:19 ]
IrrationaliTV | May 30, 11:11 CET
I also know how the industry works. FOX or NBC would make an order before 20th ever made anything. 20th also likely wouldn't do the pitching, Mutant Enemy would.
[ edited by nickc on 2009-05-30 20:20 ]
nickc | May 30, 11:18 CET
BBC or HBO could make the order, Nick. FBC and NBC do not need to be involved. It could be DTV or only shown on Mars.
I'm done with the topic, Nick.
[ edited by TamaraC on 2009-05-30 20:25 ]
IrrationaliTV | May 30, 11:21 CET
nickc | May 30, 11:24 CET
nickc | May 30, 11:26 CET
nickc | May 30, 11:32 CET
embers | May 30, 11:38 CET
And I am not saying that BBC or HBO could make the order today for a FF MOW. I was making the point that any network or outlet can make a deal with 20th for whatever. FBC has no say in the matter.
IrrationaliTV | May 30, 11:41 CET
Astonishing_Chaos | May 30, 11:42 CET
@theonetruebix | May 30, 11:46 CET
Hunted | May 30, 12:02 CET
[ edited by The One True b!X on 2009-05-30 21:04 ]
@theonetruebix | May 30, 12:03 CET
cfeuille | May 30, 12:44 CET
Livewire | May 30, 12:48 CET
As far as the tone of this thread...nickc is as welcome here as any of us, but I think what got him off on the wrong foot as a new poster was maybe some Whedonesquers memories of his comments in his column and column's comment responses in the Dollverse/gossi ordeal. Also, people question his assertions (I know it's a fine balancing act 'cause columnists can't always reveal their sources, but they also shouldn't get all bent out of shape when readers call things into question--it's not worth acting like your pride is hurt if people don't believe you, it's just the internet and it's just TV guys). Triple-posting feels kinda like you're hammering things harder than necessary too. We have an "edit" button here, you can edit your posts. And he comes on a little strong compared to what we're generally used to here, but that's certainly not a first here.
Can cooler heads prevail ?
Kris | May 30, 13:13 CET
Simon | May 30, 13:32 CET