June 02 2009
Total Sci-Fi's 'The 25 Women Who Shook Sci-Fi' list.
Buffy was second, Willow took 21st place. However Entertainment Weekly's PopWatch blog argues that they have no place on the list.
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wilder | June 02, 12:33 CET
Dana5140 | June 02, 12:39 CET
Other than that, nobody.
brinderwalt | June 02, 12:45 CET
didifallasleep | June 02, 12:46 CET
zeitgeist | June 02, 12:50 CET
cronopiogal | June 02, 12:50 CET
You could even argue for I Robot, You Jane as sci-fi.
bonzob | June 02, 12:52 CET
I (personally) felt that Megan Fox didn't deserve the list;
1) This is an ALL TIME list, and her appearance from a few years ago doesn't seem to have the age to be put in such a list.
2) I didn't see her as a shaker, or an icon, just Hollywood following their current formula- action movie+"hot girl"= better male appreciation.
Just my opinion.
Archduke Sebassis | June 02, 12:53 CET
badwolf | June 02, 12:53 CET
ETA: okay, so I actually clicked the link, and gave them the pageview, and they weren't actually insulting them at all... and so I apologise, but I do still get the feeling that there are so many articles like that at the moment, which are just so pointless and blatantly designed for hits. Perhaps I'm being a bit too harsh?
[ edited by MattK on 2009-06-02 21:59 ]
MattK | June 02, 12:56 CET
zeitgeist | June 02, 12:56 CET
Sunfire | June 02, 13:07 CET
Oh, and yeah: If they were a bit more consistent in their own terminology/ the poll didn't include the word fantasy as a qualifier, they could've made a much better point.
brinderwalt | June 02, 13:23 CET
Emmie | June 02, 13:37 CET
Simon | June 02, 13:41 CET
cronopiogal | June 02, 13:54 CET
zee | June 02, 14:00 CET
Lists...lists are pointless (aside from maybe directing new fans to worthwhile properties sometimes, I suppose), lists are fun...a lot of us here do lists when we're discussing our favorites (shows, actors, characters, title sequence, sets, etc). Lists are just lists, the internet has made them a bigger deal than they ever were in magazines like Entertainment Weekly or your newspaper's entertainment columnists' year-end Best Of lists. Ignore, enjoy, comment on, but there's no use in complaining that they exist.
[ edited by Kris on 2009-06-02 23:08 ]
Kris | June 02, 14:03 CET
BrownCoat_Tabz | June 02, 14:12 CET
But the start of June means the full start of CSTS, where crap tons of fans the world over will be in good spirits doing good things. Screw everything else. ;)
@theonetruebix | June 02, 14:17 CET
There's many a way to read that sentence.
Anyhoo it seemed a bit silly not to make the list the centre of attention (as it's getting a fair bit of press elsewhere) so I tweaked the entry and made the EW blog post a sidebar. Or something like that.
Simon | June 02, 14:20 CET
Emmie | June 02, 14:22 CET
Yes I forgot about that (5 weeks to go), I wonder if we'll ever see Echo on lists like this one.
Simon | June 02, 14:27 CET
And the lack of Firefly ladies is no good.
The Xan Man | June 02, 14:42 CET
If we get enough seasons, maybe. If Echo's character arc of self-discovery is cut short, if she never fully realizes herself, then I think not. Because it's more like we're watching character creation at work here, character creation and emancipation at the same time. Hopefully we'll get to see the build-up and climax as Joss plans it. Right now, I see a lot of comments where Echo is largely unidentifiable by fans, that they can't connect to her. And these lists seem all about the iconic, those clearly defined.
Emmie | June 02, 14:45 CET
I apologize Simon, I lack self control.
silent knight | June 02, 14:50 CET
Sure. They're both fantasy. :)
redeem147 | June 02, 15:14 CET
Sure. They're both fantasy. :)
And, to add further fuel to the fire, they're both founded on the supernatural. ;)
brinderwalt | June 02, 15:23 CET
There's Number Six I guess. Near all the Buffyverse characters were badcurious but I don't think Faith or Glory are creations as triumphant as Buffy or Ripley.
Also I'd nominate Demona from the cartoon series/comic Gargoyles. The most stunning study of a good but flawed person who becomes consumed by vengeance, who loves and loses, who reforms and backslides, and the ripple effect that her monomania has across continents and millennia, from the court of Macbeth to the streets of New York.
BananaSandwichMan | June 02, 15:23 CET
;)
[ edited by didifallasleep on 2009-06-03 00:33 ]
didifallasleep | June 02, 15:33 CET
Any list like this that leaves out Aeryn Sun is nearly meaningless.
Ifwewait | June 02, 15:34 CET
I (personally) felt that Megan Fox didn't deserve the list;
1) This is an ALL TIME list, and her appearance from a few years ago doesn't seem to have the age to be put in such a list.
2) I didn't see her as a shaker, or an icon, just Hollywood following their current formula- action movie+"hot girl"= better male appreciation.
I agree with everything said here. :)
Maybe Dollhouse could be included on a SyFy list. :) Or, wait. There IS "science" in it! Yay! Sci-Fi! :D
korkster | June 02, 16:04 CET
;)
I would say that fantastical fiction (commonly referred to as "fantasy") and mundane fiction (plain ole "fiction" in today's terms) differ in that the former generally depicts events which diverge from reality to a noticeably greater extent. It's like the difference between writing a fictional account of having tea with a random friend and writing one about having tea with David Bowie - both are possible, but the second one is almost certainly a fantasy (unless you're best buds with David Bowie, of course).
brinderwalt | June 02, 16:21 CET
recoil | June 02, 16:25 CET
Tycho | June 02, 16:52 CET
korkster | June 02, 17:05 CET
Nearly? I'd say completely. Admittedly, I've never seen Alien, but Aeryn would be #2 on my list, right after Buffy herself.
Lirazel | June 02, 17:34 CET
witchlover | June 02, 19:02 CET
witchlover | June 02, 19:09 CET
Yeah, downright sacrilegious if you ask me!
brinderwalt | June 02, 19:17 CET
But back on topic, most of the people on that list were horrible. The very fact that it excludes comic and books, really make it even worse. But even if it was just tv and movies, it leaves off key people. Turanga Leela should be there, and if its not animated, then there shouldn't be the darn puppet.
Aeryn needs to be on there. Ripley is very important, especially when it comes to influence. Plus Alien and Aliens is awesome.
But where the hell is River? Or Cameron? I demand Summer damn it!
Now excuse me, I must go off and be angry elsewhere.
[ edited by SteppeMerc on 2009-06-03 06:19 ]
SteppeMerc | June 02, 19:50 CET
cheryl | June 02, 21:04 CET
Anyone read Zelazny's "Changeling"? Much like LeGuin, a perfect mixing of these two "opposed" genres (a child swap between a world of magic and a world of advanced technology). Or "Jack of Shadows" for that matter... I'm sorry, I guess I'm grasping for kindred spirits.
Point is, where is River? Zoe? Hell, if not Aeryn, then at least Zahn or Chiana.
Archduke Sebassis | June 02, 21:37 CET
Also, I dunno if she qualifies for this list ('cause she didn't shake up sci-fi/fantasy, 'cause the show never became as popular as it deserved), but if they were gonna do one for best realized villains in speculative fiction, for sure agreeing with BananaSandwichMan (heh, no offense, but that's an awesomely, hilariously porn-worthy name by the way) on this:
"I'd nominate Demona from the cartoon series/comic Gargoyles. The most stunning study of a good but flawed person who becomes consumed by vengeance, who loves and loses, who reforms and backslides, and the ripple effect that her monomania has across continents and millennia, from the court of Macbeth to the streets of New York."
Kris | June 02, 23:04 CET
The Xan Man | June 03, 02:36 CET
Archduke Sebassis | June 03, 06:37 CET
Kindred spirit here! Grinning with glee at the presence of another Zelazny fan. ;) I've read everything he's ever written, mostly multiple times.
I have this fantasy of Joss making an HBO mini-series of The Chronicles of Amber. Joss apparently likes working with his own original material, but he and Zelazny are such a perfect match, both stylistically and with the multi-layered material.
Shey | June 03, 03:26 CET
Carmie | June 03, 03:38 CET
Shey | June 03, 03:57 CET
witchlover | June 03, 04:13 CET
I'm ashamed to say I've yet to finish all of the Amber books (it's next on my list, I swear!). I've read everything else though, including many of his little "Illustrated Zelazny" books. Joss's character's dialogue often reminds me of Zelazny dialogue, especially Skip for some reason (I suppose the idea of a demon getting caught up in pop-culture is a very Zelazny idea).
I'm trying to put Joss actors in Zelazny stories... Fillion as Konrad(?) from "This Immortal"? Neil Patrick Harris as Sam from "Lord of Light"?
Archduke Sebassis | June 03, 05:27 CET
SteppeMerc | June 03, 07:41 CET
Thats the only reason I can stand for Barbarella being in the list. She wasn't at any moment a heroine or good female example. She did nothing but being pushed by the happenings.
If I could suggest a character of the same movie i criticized: The Great Tyrant.
Brasilian Chaos Man | June 03, 07:59 CET
SteppeMerc | June 03, 09:47 CET
[ edited by LKW on 2009-06-03 19:27 ]
LKW | June 03, 10:21 CET
redeem147 | June 03, 13:06 CET
moley75 | June 03, 13:50 CET
I'm trying to put Joss actors in Zelazny stories.
Archduke Sebassis | June 03, 14:27 CET
You must ... must, I say ... finish The Chronicles of Amber, then on to the Merlin series. ;)
Re. Amber casting; Nathan as Corwin, Alan Tudyk as Random. :)
Shey | June 04, 03:06 CET
Adam Baldwin as Hell Tanner!
Archduke Sebassis | June 05, 18:29 CET
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