Whedonesque : Comments on 20598 : Dollhouse appears on Emmy nominating ballots.

Heh, as one of 129, it's a virtual shoe-in for Outstanding Drama Series ;). Are these basically all the shows which were aired this year?

ETA: wait, the count starts at 53. So that's one of 76.

[ edited by GVH on 2009-06-06 16:23 ]

GVH | June 06, 16:22 CET

Whoo-hoo! When are the emmys? Right now Fox can put a sticker on the DVD saying Emmy nominated Outstanding Drama Series etc.

Anonymous1 | June 06, 16:37 CET

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is nominations for the nominations.

I find it odd that Alan wasn't nominated for anything. Also I find the lack of Writing and Directing nominations disturbing.

SteppeMerc | June 06, 16:40 CET

Right now Fox can put a sticker on the DVD saying Emmy nominated Outstanding Drama Series etc.

Ummmm no. These are the nominations to get on the final Emmy ballot.

Also I find the lack of Writing and Directing nominations disturbing.

May have been a cost issue for whoever (Mutant Enemy? Fox?).

The LA Times says

Note that many shows and stars many not be entered into this year's Emmy derby because of the cost involved. While it's free to enter the other three showbiz peer-group awards (Oscar, Grammy, Tony), Emmy officials charge entry fees to offset the high cost of the award's careful judging process that involves mass duplication of DVDs and their distribution to thousands of voters.

Simon | June 06, 16:42 CET

No nom for Enver?

zz9 | June 06, 16:50 CET

There was a huge number of past Whedonverse cast listed, in fact, it felt like EVERY TV actor in the world was on that form.

So what exactly IS the process for getting your name on the nomination form for the Emmy nomination? Is it just a matter of filling out a coupon, compiling a showreel and sending it in with a cheque? (If so, I do suspect that the effort to nominate 'Kath and Kim' for ANYTHING was a complete waste of both time AND money.)

ETA Simon, are they teaching the art of pre-emptive mind reading at Lamaze classes these days? ;-)

[ edited by missb on 2009-06-06 16:55 ]

missb | June 06, 16:51 CET

So is this mean that Fox is paying to put these names into nomination? Because I have to say that makes me very happy, and I hope that those who view the DVDs (or whatever) are as impressed as I have been!

embers | June 06, 16:58 CET

I hope they get to be nominated in the end! Eliza is, maybe, the most likely to be.. but I love both Fran and Dichen, and I'd be so happy if they got their names in the final list!
But really, no Alan Tudyk?! That's a shame..

JotheCat | June 06, 16:58 CET

Er, who is this "Franz Topher"? There's an actor named Fran Kranz and a character named Topher -- is this the category for best actual morphing into one's character? :)

Shapenew | June 06, 17:02 CET

Yeah! Now that's what l'm talking about. Congratulations to all the nominees and to Joss, who made all of this possible.

zee | June 06, 17:03 CET

Surprised at no Adam Baldwin or Alan Tudyk. Missing actors are much more interesting than who is included on this list.

TamaraC | June 06, 17:22 CET

Okay, now Fox are just being too nice to Joss.
Renewing Dollhouse? Peace in the PR war? Noms for Eliza?

I think I know why. The industry know that if they don't keep Joss busy he'll go off and do another net production like Dr Horrible. And that would accelerate the process of Writer/Producers bypassing the networks and studios entirely spelling eventual doom for people like Fox.

/Putting my tinfoil hat back on.

zz9 | June 06, 17:25 CET

Notable Joss actors omitted:

Enver Gjokaj
Adam Baldwin
Summer Glau

Grr Arr!

brinderwalt | June 06, 17:34 CET

Grr Arr!

Mutant Pirate?

The One True b!X | June 06, 17:37 CET

Aye, matey!

ETA: I swear I'm not smoking anything.

ETA ETA: Mutant enemy space pirate.

[ edited by brinderwalt on 2009-06-06 19:37 ]

brinderwalt | June 06, 17:38 CET

While I was very happy to see the Dollhouse and Whedonverse alums on the pages to be nominated, I was also happy to see certain other shows that I pay as much attention to as I do Dollhouse.

Christian Kane (Leverage), David Boreanaz (if you didn't know about Bones) were nominated.

Some of my fav casts are on Leverage, Burn Notice (this just started back up and should be checked out for a phenomenal summer series on USA), L&O: SVU, BSG (how did they miss Tahmoh there), Friday Night Lights (which I watch Sat morning on the Net while watching Dollhouse the night before), Better Off Ted, and Damages.

I was really glad to see Bruce Campbell on the list for Burn Notice cause he has a tendency to steal scenes easily.

Desertpuma | June 06, 17:41 CET

No Summer? Madness! Just because the shows off the air... :goes off to rage and rant in a corner:

SteppeMerc | June 06, 17:48 CET

While I was very happy to see the Dollhouse and Whedonverse alums on the pages to be nominated, I was also happy to see certain other shows that I pay as much attention to as I do Dollhouse.

Christian Kane (Leverage), David Boreanaz (if you didn't know about Bones) were nominated

Hear hear. Also Aly and NPH were nominated for HIMYM.

resa | June 06, 17:52 CET

People really need to stop saying "were nominated". These aren't nominations. These are the ballots to select the nominees.

The One True b!X | June 06, 17:55 CET

People really need to stop saying "were nominated". These aren't nominations. These are the ballots to select the nominees.

Or, in other words, nominations for the nominations.

[ edited by brinderwalt on 2009-06-06 18:13 ]

brinderwalt | June 06, 18:08 CET

All the mostly interesting people from that list will disappear by the time the actual noms noms come out. :[

Jayme | June 06, 18:31 CET

I'm sure NPH will be nominated again... only to lose to someone who is vastly inferior, as usual.

SteppeMerc | June 06, 18:59 CET

Of the three, Topher wins.

WhoIsOmega? | June 06, 19:28 CET

Emmy? We don't need no stinking Emmy. The emmy's can bite me.

missmuffet | June 06, 19:36 CET

Awesome, but no Enver Gjokaj?

:(

Nebula1400 | June 06, 20:22 CET

Well, missmuffett, I think we should bite the Emmys back for ignoring Buffy all these years, and a few others I can think of.
Putting Dichen and Eliza in the hat for the Emmy version of the primaries is good, but Enver should have been there, too. I hope they didn't overlook him because of the spelling of his name. As for writing and directing, that may be a peer category, and it's a bit early to see who's in the early running. But "Man on the Street" should be in there, or maybe "Needs".
We should know in about six weeks...which is a week before Comic-Con, by the way.

impalergeneral | June 06, 20:25 CET

I think some people may be confused on how this works. Pretty sure everyone on this list is who submitted themselves (studio or network was willing to pay). This doesn't seem to be a list that was narrowed down by anyone.

Gjokaj, Tudyk, Glau and Baldwin aren't missing because they aren't deserving. They are missing because they were never submitted by their network/studio/representation for consideration in the first place.

TamaraC | June 06, 20:36 CET

TamaraC, I understand that, and I think it is ridiculous that Fox would pay for any non- Dollhouse person, and not Glau. Because no way are any of those people close to her level of awesome. Like the Fringe lady nominated for a Supporting Actress (the one with the fake arm in the show). Come on!

That said, it is good to see Edward James Olmos nominated, and he better win. Of course, the Emmys are hardly known for letting the right people win, but still.

[ edited by SteppeMerc on 2009-06-06 20:55 ]

SteppeMerc | June 06, 20:55 CET

Why would Fox shell out money and advertising on a show they canceled? That would be ridiculously wasteful. If anyone would benefit from Summer getting an emmy nod it would be Warner Brothers and it would only benefit them maybe in DVD sales. Probably not much there. Not seeing the benefit to either the studio or the network in that.

And Blair Brown (the woman from Fringe) is a world famous actor with one Bafta nom, 2 Golden Globe Noms and 5 emmy nominations. I see why she is on the list.

[ edited by TamaraC on 2009-06-06 21:06 ]

TamaraC | June 06, 21:02 CET

I see why she is on the list.

Me too. It's just not, technically, for her work on Fringe. ;)

The One True b!X | June 06, 21:07 CET

I think some people may be confused on how this works. Pretty sure everyone on this list is who submitted themselves (studio or network was willing to pay). This doesn't seem to be a list that was narrowed down by anyone.

Gjokaj, Tudyk, Glau and Baldwin aren't missing because they aren't deserving. They are missing because they were never submitted by their network/studio/representation for consideration in the first place.

Which begs the question: Why weren't the aforementioned actors' networks willing to pay to submit them?

brinderwalt | June 06, 21:07 CET

Baldwin is really the only one that is a mystery to me. I was honestly surprised to not see him on that list.

b!x, it is kinda like the veteran players on professional sports teams getting the more favorable calls by the refs. Paying dues gets you more attention and more investment by studio/network. :)

[ edited by TamaraC on 2009-06-06 21:14 ]

TamaraC | June 06, 21:11 CET

Why would Fox shell out money and advertising on a show they canceled? That would be ridiculously wasteful. If anyone would benefit from Summer getting an emmy nod it would be Warner Brothers and it would only benefit them maybe in DVD sales. Probably not much there. Not seeing the benefit to either the studio or the network in that.

They nominated Brian Austin Green for his performance as Kyle Reece (he was excellent by the way - but not as good as Summer) and Jonathan Jackson for his guest stints as Kyle Reece.

b!x, it is kinda like the veteran players on professional sports teams getting the more favorable calls by the refs. Paying dues gets you more attention and more investment by studio/network. :)

Or, in more other words, politics.

[ edited by brinderwalt on 2009-06-06 21:21 ]

brinderwalt | June 06, 21:15 CET

Maybe BAG shelled out for it himself or his representation did. An emmy campaign is crazy expensive. I don't get where the payback would be to Warner Brothers and I would bet a large sum of money that FBC had nothing to do with it.

Yes, politics and you know $$. It is a business, you know. Why would you think it was anything else?

Meanwhile, I'm thrilled that So many basic cable shows have folks on the list. In Plain Sight, Psych, Sons of Anarchy, Burn Notice, Mad Men. All great shows that are better than 99% of what is on network with extremely deserving talent. The exposure should really pay off for those shows.

[ edited by TamaraC on 2009-06-06 21:24 ]

TamaraC | June 06, 21:21 CET

Not that it has anything to do with talent and everything to do with a big name. We won't see any of them when the actual nominations come out. But perhaps that's just the bitterness of years of disappointment talking.

Does this mean the horrible doctor wasn't submitted? I'm not really clear on what category it would be in if it were.

hacksaway | June 06, 21:40 CET

Does this mean the horrible doctor wasn't submitted? I'm not really clear on what category it would be in if it were.

None. It wasn't on television. The only online/new media category is for interactive/new media components of televised works.

[ edited by The One True b!X on 2009-06-06 21:50 ]

The One True b!X | June 06, 21:49 CET

What about that technical, web-based award that was created after Zoic made that awesome Drive-related footage (for which it won, I believe)? Couldn't Dr. Horrible theoretically qualify for that? Actually, now that I think about it, it probably would not happen for one simple reason: Dr. Horrible was made specifically outside the system, so I would imagine the politics associated with The Emmys, and the Emmys being what they are.... I say, NPH and Fillion show up to the Emmys dressed as the Doc and Hammer, respectively. Black ties be damned!

kungfubear | June 06, 21:57 CET

Yes, politics and you know $$. It is a business, you know. Why would you think it was anything else?

Oh... I don't know. It could have something to do with the fact that the awards themselves are billed as being signs of recognition of the recipients achievements in their art rather than a medal for their success/luck in navigating the political waters of the business side of the industry.

But I digress...

[ edited by brinderwalt on 2009-06-06 22:11 ]

brinderwalt | June 06, 22:00 CET

Oh, I thought this article implied that it was eligible, but it was kind of a confusing read. And I thought Felicia said she had submitted The Guild last year.

hacksaway | June 06, 22:07 CET

Drive aired on television. Dr. Horrible did not.

ETA: Oh, hmm. That is what the article suggests, yes. But I can't find anything in the Emmy rules that suggests the same. Guess I'll re-read.

[ edited by The One True b!X on 2009-06-06 22:09 ]

The One True b!X | June 06, 22:07 CET

Besides which, remember the Streamys, aka the Dr. Horrible Awards?

brinderwalt | June 06, 22:08 CET

Industry awards are industry awards, no matter what industry they are in. The contenders have to convince all the voters that they are deserving of their votes, so it absolutely is just like politics. And just like government politics, it takes a lot of money to run a campaign. This isn't really a competition based on merit judged by a critical panel, it's really a bit more of a popularity contest voted on by thousands. Why else does Tony Shaloub win every year?

In a perfect world, all the emmy voters would watch all the shows that like personally and like all the same actors that I do and vote accordingly. :) I don't think the world is going to get all perfect-like anytime soon. LOL

TamaraC | June 06, 22:09 CET

I don't understand how anything not on TV could be eligible, based on the rules. These are the "Primetime Emmy Awards", and "primetime", according to the Emmy rules doc, is 8:00 PM to 2:00 AM -- web series simply don't fit into that.

So that Variety article makes no sense to me, based upon sitting here reading the actual Emmy rules doc.

ETA:

Eligibility: Programs (and individual achievements within them) are eligible for nomination if they were originally aired or originally transmitted during the eligibility year of June 1, 2008 – May 31, 2009 in any primetime period (6:00 PM - 2:00 AM) (i) by broadcast to at least 50% of the total potential U.S. television audience or, (ii) by pay/basic cable transmissions (including by way of example so-called basic cable, pay cable, pay television, pay-per-view, interactive cable and broadband) to markets representing at least 50% or more of households in the United States.

I guess it depends on whether "interactive cable and broadband" is meant to mean "Internet".

[ edited by The One True b!X on 2009-06-06 22:17 ]

The One True b!X | June 06, 22:12 CET

Did The WB or UPN ever put Buffy or Angel forward in large numbers? All I can remember is the actual nominations not the nominations for the nominations.

Besides which, remember the Streamys, aka the Dr. Horrible Awards?

You and I might remember them, the general public didn't take a blind bit of notice.

Simon | June 06, 22:29 CET

In a perfect world, all the emmy voters would watch all the shows that like personally and like all the same actors that I do and vote accordingly. :) I don't think the world is going to get all perfect-like anytime soon. LOL

I probably should have mentioned earlier that I am a cynical optimist: I am perfectly aware that my expectations are far too high to ever be fully met and am totally cool with that, cause - you know - I'm cool man. :)

You and I might remember them, the general public didn't take a blind bit of notice.

Yeah, sorry; I forgot about that small detail.

Did The WB or UPN ever put Buffy or Angel forward in large numbers? All I can remember is the actual nominations not the nominations for the nominations.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the first year the pre-nomination ballots have been released to the general public like this?

brinderwalt | June 06, 22:52 CET

Yes, b!x, I know. I acknowledged this above. What I was specifically referring to was the fact that the rules were altered/updated to include online content, but I see how Dr. Horrible is not eligible, due to its singularly independent nature, outside of the system. No matter, for there is of course, the Streamy Awards. :)

kungfubear | June 06, 23:38 CET

@Simon - I actually have "Becoming, Pt. 2" on VHS, which is labeled to the Emmys as "For Your Consideration: Production Design" or some such. I'll have to dig it out and re-watch, but I think the tape even begins with a video introduction from Sarah Michelle Gellar.

ETA: Apologies for the multi-post. I plumb forgot about the edit feature. :)

[ edited by kungfubear on 2009-06-06 23:47 ]

kungfubear | June 06, 23:44 CET

Dr. Horrible's eligibility has nothing to do with being inside or outside the system. If it meets the requirements in the rules, it doesn't matter if something came from inside or outside the system.

The One True b!X | June 06, 23:45 CET

Check out these Daytime Emmy nominations. It shows nominations for the networks "Youtube" and "Internet" under "New Approaches" and also has the "Special Class" categories the Variety article mentioned. So maybe it's the Daytime ones that it needed to be submitted for...even though the internet has no "time". A quick look at the rules mentions "available for downloading and streaming."

hacksaway | June 07, 00:03 CET

So, maybe the minds behind the horrible doctor didn't want to independently heft the admission fee / felt it wouldn't be in keeping with the spirit of the project itself to turn it into an Emmy contender.

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brinderwalt | June 07, 00:16 CET

David Boreanaz, Bailey Chase, Christian Kane, Vincent Kartheiser, Christin Hendricks, Daniel Dae Kim, Simon Helberg, J. August Richards, Neil Patrick Harris, Nathan Fillion, Alyson Hannigan, Julie Benz, Dania Ramirez, Luke Perry, Donald Sutherland, Mark Sheppard, Liza Lapira, Michelle Trachtenberg, ... a lot of names we know. :)

roadi | June 07, 01:44 CET

We shouldn't just assume that if an actor isn't on the list, that means the network refused to pay. I think it is often a question of what the actors, and their reps, feel is the best, as well as the network. We don't know that all the actors wanted to run a campaign.

sojourner | June 07, 02:38 CET

And, of course, there's always the Tim Allen scenario.

brinderwalt | June 07, 02:42 CET

I forgot David Krumholtz and Christopher Gorham.

roadi | June 07, 03:22 CET

This is nice, but we all know none of these three (Eliza, Fran, or Dichen) have a snowflake's chance in hell of actually being nominated. None. Zero. Zilch.

I don't need to wait and see. I can tell you now. Ain't. Gonna. Happen.

Ifwewait | June 07, 06:49 CET

Christina Hendricks and Julie Benz might have a tiny chance. They are on the right shows to be noticed.

roadi | June 07, 10:47 CET

As pleased as I am to see Eliza Dushku get a ballot nomination, Amy Acker shoudl have gotten a Best Supporting, simply for her performance in "Omega", as well as for the entire season as Dr. Saunders.

As the psychotic Whiskey 1.0(?) in the torture scene,the empathy while treating the slashed Victor and her pain at putting together what Topher had done to her certainly qualified Amy Acker for at least a nod.

Riverine | June 07, 14:10 CET

Woops. Totally forgot about her!

brinderwalt | June 07, 14:25 CET

Is anyone ever going to notice how entirely awesome Enver Gjokaj is?!

Green Queen | June 08, 04:55 CET

I agree I find it really disappointing how there's a whole huge bunch of Whedonverse actors being mentioned but wasn't mentioned on here just Dollhouse.

But yeah I also agree I'm disappointed in Alan Tudyk who didn't get a mention

McPhee | June 10, 05:28 CET

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