August 05
2009
The ten best Angel episodes.
That's according to Den Of Geek. So what do you consider to be the best Angel episodes?
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Mine would probably include (in no order): Smile Time, You're Welcome, Not Fade Away, Waiting in the Wings, Home, A Hole in the World, Reprise, Reunion, Darla, and Billy.
Knuckleball | August 05, 11:51 CET
The rest of the list was fairly solid (except that Reunion is way way better than Redefinition).
I don't think any Angel best of list should be without 5x5 and/or Sanctuary. Sleep Tight, The Magic Bullet, Peace Out, Spin The Bottle, Lullaby, The Price, Are You Know Or Have You Ever Been?, and City Of are all contenders for me. This list seemed heavily weighted to the later seasons.
bonzob | August 05, 11:53 CET
VaughnOfTheDead | August 05, 12:01 CET
That's what I thought too but then each to their own. The first two seasons did have some stand-out epiosodes.
Simon | August 05, 12:06 CET
And once again, I promise not to cheat (and as I form the list in my head, I bet there'll be no Season 3 episodes).
Unlike Buffy, I'm not so sure about the order, but here it goes.
Mine:
1) Home
2) Smile Time
3) Not Fade Away
4) Through the Looking Glass
5) You're Welcome
6) Orpheus
7) Origin
8) Hero
9) Sonambulist
10) Room w/ a View
Came close to including Five by Five, Birthday, Apocalipse Nowish and A Hole in the World, but I attempted to really list my 10 faves.
And just like my love for Beer's Bad, I have to disagree with VaughOfTheDead, on the episode Harm's Way. I really like that one.
Onto the article itself. I simply despise Tomorrow. I hate that episode with passion.
[ edited by Numfar PTB on 2009-08-05 12:50 ]
Numfar PTB | August 05, 12:27 CET
Dana5140 | August 05, 12:59 CET
Somnambulist
Eternity
Are You Now or Have You Ever Been?
Darla
Heartthrob
Billy
Salvage/Release/Orpheus (I can't even separate them)
A Hole in the World/Shells
Time Bomb
Not Fade Away
Ehhh... I don't like that list already. But this is too difficult.
aapac | August 05, 13:10 CET
IWRY
The Prodigal (I loved the scenes from Angel's past)
Five by Five/Sanctuary
Soulless
Heartthrob
Not Fade Away
Smile Time
A Hole in the World/Shells
Reunion
Orpheus
Darla
Reprise/Epiphany
Through the Looking Glass (Numfar!!)
Home
Forgiving
City of
Lonely Hearts
Are you Now Or Have You ever Been
Yep. Knew it. Can't keep it down to 10.
[ edited by Shep on 2009-08-05 13:31 ]
Shep | August 05, 13:30 CET
Not Fade away
Darla
The trial/Reunion
Destiny
A hole in the world
Are you now or have you ever been
Spin the Bottle
Lullaby
Just rewards
I will remember you
JotheCat | August 05, 13:55 CET
Reprise/Epiphany
Billy
Home
Time Bomb
Destiny
Not Fade Away
wow this is hard - I love the Pylea arch so that's 3 more
Over the Rainbow
Through the Looking Glass
There's No Place Like Plrtz Glrb
I know many don't like this episode but I also like:
Eternity"
Passion | August 05, 13:56 CET
So bearing my massive bias in mind my list is:
Deep Down
Spin the Bottle
Soulless
Orpheus
Home
Conviction
Lineage
A Hole in the World
Underneath
And from the earlier seasons and only just scraping into my list of 11:
Waiting in the Wings
Sanctuary
Yeah, yeah, I know Reprise, Epiphany, Are You Know ... etc are all great episodes but they got stomped all over later on.
As for Den of Geek's list, it's pretty good but:
- Hero was awful. I don't think anyone would put it anywhere near their top 10 if it weren't for Doyle's death in the last few minutes and that was so rushed and filled with plot holes that it left me completely unmoved.
- I wish I liked 'You're Welcome' and 'Smile Time' more than I do since so many people love them. I find 'You're Welcome' a bit too cheesy and saccharine for me - a problem I have with quite a bit of David Fury's writing. 'Smile Time' is pretty cool but for some reason I just didn't laugh all that much whereas 'Spin the Bottle' had me in stitches.
Let Down | August 05, 14:10 CET
Ever thought about giving it another shot for those last two seasons? I know I'm not the only one who found it enjoyable for the first three seasons but absolutely wonderful for the last two
[ edited by Let Down on 2009-08-05 14:27 ]
Let Down | August 05, 14:12 CET
Tycho | August 05, 14:22 CET
not fade away
conviction
smile time
waiting in the wings
untouched
ground state
time bomb
five by five
spin the bottle
a hole in the world
eth3er | August 05, 14:46 CET
The Do That Girl | August 05, 14:59 CET
1. A Hole in the World
2. Not Fade Away
3. Epiphany
4. Forgiving
5. Are You Now or Have You Ever Been
6. Five by Five
7. Waiting in the Wings
8. Smile Time
9. Darla
10. Reunion
And Let Down, I'd disagree that 4 and 5 were the best. My list of seasons would be: 5, 2, 3, 4, 1. (Although 2 and 3 could be switched around on a different day).
While I'm sure that's true, I have to say that this marks the first time I've ever heard anyone mention a jump up in quality from season 3 to 4. I mostly remember hearing complaints when season 4 first aired. I remember big portions of the fandom didn't think much of the season back then (there were a lot of people complaining about CC's acting, plus there were a lot of people who disliked Connor's arc in the season) and although I don't agree with all of that, I did feel the season was a bit "messy" in pacing and execution, which I always figured was due to them having to write around CC's pregnancy.
GVH | August 05, 15:25 CET
My top 10 list is(and it varys at times but the top five are always the same for me)...
I Will Remember You
Five By Five
City Of
Are You Now Or Have You Ever Been
Origin
Reprise/Epiphany
Home
Lullaby
Sleep Tight
Reunion
My favorite seasons are actually seasons 2 and 4 because I just love the arcs as a whole.So my season ranks are...
season 2
season 4
season 1(I don't care as much for the more anthology format even though my top three favorite epsiodes are in this season.)
season 5
season 3
[ edited by Buffyfantic on 2009-08-05 15:40 ]
Buffyfantic | August 05, 15:38 CET
Smile Time as #1 just baffles me...
TOASTERslayer | August 05, 15:54 CET
2. I Will Remember You
3. You're Welcome
4. Spin the Bottle
5. Smile Time
6. A Hole in the World
7. Shells
8. Over the Rainbow/Through the Looking Glass/There's No Place Like Plrtz Glrb
9. Five by Five/Sanctuary
10. Soulless/Cavalry/Salvage/Release/Orpheus
Taaroko | August 05, 15:55 CET
It's the detachable nose. It get's 'em every time.
BreathesStory | August 05, 16:03 CET
But as in all such lists, YMMW, and they are very subjective. Well, at least Smile Time and NFA are in.
But no "Epiphany"?
Nata | August 05, 16:36 CET
Whisper | August 05, 16:48 CET
BY the way, I agree with those who don't like 'Life of the party' and 'harm's way'.. personally I think that every comedic episode in season 5 fell flat. "the girl in question" was quite simply the worst episode of Angel ever.. Smile time was the best of them, but even that wasn't that great.
mortimer | August 05, 16:55 CET
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Will_Remember_You_%28Angel%29
That one is in my top 10 best Buffyverse episodes.
m0j0NL | August 05, 16:57 CET
That's like leaving Surprise/Innocence, Becoming Part 2, and Hush out of a Buffy top 10 list.
jclemens | August 05, 16:59 CET
"Hero" is of course a sacred cow, and with good reason: Glenn Quinn, may he rest in peace, gives a great performance as Doyle sacrifices himself. But the episode's villains seem to be written in desperation (we want someone evil...demon Nazis!) and the episode doesn't have sufficient setup to have the impact it should. One of season one's better efforts, yes, but I think the show found itself in a big way in season two and feel that the first season is the weakest. This ep is honestly one of Minear's weaker scripts to me. The video at the end is a very nice touch.
My list is probably something like:
1. Lullaby
2. Darla
3. Not Fade Away
4. Sanctuary
5. A Hole in the World
6. Five by Five
7. Reunion
8. Waiting in the Wings
9. Reprise
10. Home
Honourable mentions: The Prodigal, Blind Date, Are You Now Or Have You Ever Been, Epiphany, Through the Looking Glass, Loyalty, Sleep Tight, Spin the Bottle, Peace Out, Destiny, Smile Time, Shells, Power Play.
I like "You're Welcome" a lot (I cried, and that never happens) but feel that Lindsey's involvement is kind of perfunctory and never well explained; the episode takes a hit for me for that reason. It just misses my runners-up.
EDIT: I wouldn't say that "no one" mentions "I Will Remember You"; I've seen it on many best lists, and TV Guide recently put it as their one Angel episode in their top hundred. I personally don't actually like it all that much, honestly (the "...until we forget" line at the end is heartbreaking, but I don't really feel the episode overall is worth the hoops and temporal manipulations required for it), but it's pretty well regarded in general and would probably be in the ten "most praised" Angels.
[ edited by WilliamTheB on 2009-08-05 17:09 ]
WilliamTheB | August 05, 17:05 CET
Here, here.
Oh, this is very hard to choose.
Can I hate him in all the seasons?
Brasilian Chaos Man | August 05, 17:06 CET
m0j0NL | August 05, 17:12 CET
WilliamTheB | August 05, 17:16 CET
mortimer | August 05, 17:20 CET
Count me in as disliking S4...a lot. I was not watching on the broadcast showing. I came in in the middle of S5, but watching it on DVD's, S4 was not something I enjoyed. It was better the second time I watched it, but not much. After reading and listening to people discussing the show, I realized that a lot of my dislike for the season and certain elements of the show, as opposed to other people's opinions, might be what I like and was looking for from Angel.
People who were comics fans seemed to love the super dramatic over the top super hero stuff, whereas that was the stuff that would make me sigh when, IMO, it got too much. My mother loves opera and she enjoys Angel. I like opera in small doses and enjoy the less operatic seasons of Angel more.
newcj | August 05, 17:21 CET
As for the Connor-controversy: I actually really do like the character, even if he's sometimes difficult to really warm to in season four. However, I think that Vincent Kartheiser is a really good actor who played Connor really well, so that even when I didn't like Connor himself, I did like what he contributed to the show's dynamic.
GVH | August 05, 17:23 CET
WilliamTheB | August 05, 17:33 CET
I loved that :D
David Boreanaz is a huge ice hockey fan and i bet he said and brought the same thing for his real life son.
m0j0NL | August 05, 17:36 CET
For me thats a terrible list. Harms way in the top 10....are the mad?! Would be in my bottom 3 lol. Ah well!
To hard to do a top 10- but my top 5 would be
5-Are you now or have you ever been
4-Destiny
3-Not Fade Away
2-Reprise
1-Darla
angeliclestat | August 05, 17:47 CET
I do enjoy reading the lists, though, because they can point to eps worth seeing. It is not worth disagreeing with someone else's list, because, after all, it is their list, but hey, like I said, I always liked 5 X 5 and Reunion. I do remember giving up the series at a specific point- I don't know the ep name, but it looks like something good might happen between Angel and Lilah and then some fellow takes over Angel's body and screws it all up- and that happens all the time on the show. Anyway. :-)
Dana5140 | August 05, 18:17 CET
My mother was too. Angel is very operatic.
dana I am not a huge fan of Angel, the series, but I thought what happened between Lilah and who she thought was Angel was very interesting...and more interesting because it was not actually Angel. As I said, I don't like S4, but one definitely cannot watch the episodes individually and get the full sense of what is going on. That season is more like one episode cut into pieces than any other in the Whedonverse. I figure, it is all worth watching once.
newcj | August 05, 18:32 CET
Mort | August 05, 18:47 CET
2. A Hole in the World
3. Waiting in the Wings
4. I Will Remember You
5. Lullaby
6. Reunion
7. Spin the Bottle
8. Destiny
9. Not Fade Away
10. Are You Now or Have You Ever Been
In no particular order...except Lineage remains in 1st. Always loved Wesley more than anyone else.
Sly | August 05, 20:01 CET
Anyway. My list usually consists of these. But they switch position constantly...
1. A Hole in the World/Shells
2. Not Fade Away
3. Five by Five/Sanctuary
4. Darla
5. I Will Remember You
6. Spin the Bottle
7. Are You Now or Have You Ever Been
8. You're Welcome
9. Reunion
10. Waiting in the Wings
[ edited by Chrisham2 on 2009-08-05 21:30 ]
Chrisham2 | August 05, 21:30 CET
So my list would probably have seven Buffy eps and then maybe one each from Firefly, Dollhouse, and Angel. But reducing those three shows to just one favorite episode is really hard. Plus, there's Dr. Horrible, which I love. Argh.
bonzob | August 05, 21:46 CET
Yeah, Angel is certainly my least favourite of Joss's 4 shows (I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'major' Whedonverse show). But I still think seasons 4 and 5 are worth one watch through if you ever get a spare 44 hours
Let Down | August 05, 22:52 CET
Dana5140 | August 05, 22:54 CET
Simon | August 05, 22:56 CET
Let Down | August 05, 23:03 CET
Simon | August 05, 23:06 CET
Another thing I will say about Angel in contrast to the other shows: it had the best, most complex antagonists, partly because they were so close to the heroes, especially Wolfram & Hart as an organization. (I say antagonist rather than villain because pretty much every non-doll is a villain on Dollhouse, I don't even know who to call an antagonist besides Alpha.) Lindsey, Lilah, Darla, and Holtz are so very rich.
WilliamTheB | August 05, 23:21 CET
Epiphany
Time Bomb
Not Fade Away
Sleep Tight
A Hole In The World/Shells
Five by Five/Sanctuary
There's No Place Like Plrtz Glrb (that 4 episode arc really)
Destiny
Lineage
Are You Now or Have You Ever Been?
I know some people don't really care for this episode but for me it was about why Angel just couldn't bring himself to fight evil before meeting Buffy. “Take them all.” needs to be in the quotes section imo.
silent knight | August 06, 00:33 CET
For instance, Kate is a person who has major issues with the entire Angel crew. There's flirtation and there's anger, but it never really fully resolves. But that happens in real life where people simply disappear for the same reason. The situation is just uncomfortable so someone simply leaves.
It's dramatically frustrating, but in context it feels very real. The only more clear would be, would be someone actually asking "what happened to Kate?" Then Angel simply has to say something like, "I don't know."
I like that no one asked.
[ edited by azzers on 2009-08-06 02:52 ]
azzers | August 06, 02:18 CET
It was kind of tough to get through Season Four. I liked a lot of the ideas, hated others. Loved the idea of the Jasmine arc, what she was doing, but I hated that people could tell she was evil if they could see the maggots in her face. First, why would someone who was just "born" have maggots in their face and second, why would that make her evil? I mean she ate people, that was evil, but the whole evil equals ugly or in this case maggots, just bugs me. Plus the whole thing of Cordy and Conner (blech for having to watch that) giving birth to a middle aged woman. To me it would have been more effective if it was a child, kind of like the girl in the white room. Plus making Cordy kiss the beast? Were they trying to get Charisma to quit?
But like I said I liked the basic mind control/blind followers premise, I just didn't care for some of the execution.
Some episodes I loved in no particular order:
Into the Dark
Destiny
Damages
Spin the Bottle
Darla
Reunion
Disharmony
The Pylea episodes
Smile Time
Hell Bound
Just Rewards
Heartthrob
Guise will be Guise
City of
Xane | August 06, 02:49 CET
Angel is still my least favorite of Joss's shows, but that's like saying "what's your least favorite ice cream?".
And I still couldn't get my list of favorites below eighteen, and that's combining two that I think are inseparable.
One more comment. What mystifies me more than anything is that no one ever adds In the Dark, which Would be in my top 10, if I could narrow it down that far.
Also, no love for Convictions? Joss's masterful "introduction to season5", plus I love Joss as a director, and never more than in this Ep.
By season:
1>In the Dark
2>The Prodigal
3>5x5/Sanctuary
4>Dear Boy
5>Darla
6>Reunion
7>Epiphany
8>Billy
9>Lullaby
10>Waiting in the Wings
11>Sleep Tight
12>Forgiving
13>Deep down
14>Spin the Bottle
15>Conviction
16>Damage
17>A Hole in the World/Shells
18>Not Fade Away
Shey | August 06, 03:12 CET
Jobo | August 06, 03:48 CET
1. Darla
2. Home
3. Are You Now Or Have You Ever Been?
4. Five By Five
5. You're Welcome
6. The Prodigal
7. Reunion
8. Reprise
9. Destiny
10. Sleep Tight
A lot of Tim in there. Special mentions also to Untouched (wonderful direction by Joss), Guise Will Be Guise (perfect early Wesley), Epiphany (I chose the darker 'Reprise' for my list but this is the perfect second half), Waiting in the Wings, Deep Down, Spin the Bottle and Origin.
Leaf | August 06, 17:57 CET
EDIT: (thought of something else to add)
Adversely, "Hero" (and most other s1 episodes) would be towards the bottom of my list. I've never liked Doyle and was kind of glad to see him go.
It seems I'm in the minority in both respects.
[ edited by wonderflonium on 2009-08-10 18:15 ]
wonderflonium | August 10, 18:11 CET