October 09
2009
Ten TV spin-offs that were better than the original.
#4 features the argument that Angel was, at times, better than Buffy.
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[ edited by Wyndam_ on 2009-10-10 05:51 ]
Wyndam_ | October 09, 20:50 CET
WilliamTheB | October 09, 20:57 CET
Torchwood better than Doctor Who?? Sorry Capt Jack, I love you, but no.
Private Practice better than Grey's Anatomy? No.
And Angel better than Buffy?
I love Angel, and apart from some horrible horrible things, I respect it very much. But even in its best moments, I still think Angel wasn't better than Buffy.
But I guess it's all a matter of opinion...
maxsummers | October 09, 21:07 CET
Star Trek TNG was so much better than DS9 that the comparison is really a bit silly. But not nearly as silly as the suggestion that Torchwood is better than Doctor Who. I don't see how that could really be suggested by anyone sober.
What about Mork & Mindy and Laverne & Shirley, both of which spun off from Happy Days?
miconian | October 09, 21:12 CET
Turbofist911 | October 09, 21:24 CET
[ edited by vampmogs on 2009-10-10 06:25 ]
vampmogs | October 09, 21:25 CET
as for buffy vs. angel, i agree w/ turbofist911... being a 20something male, i always preferred angel, just because i connected w/ wes and doyle much more, and wes always resonated w/ me. i loved the development of wes and cordelia in particular (when you view them from who they were on buffy to who they became - ignoring the whole demon pregnancy thing - the development was amazing), and i enjoyed the redemptive quality of angel to the outright heroism of buffy (though i really loved what joss and co. did w/ buffy in seasons 5-7 to muddy that up). the end of s5 of buffy made me choke up, but "i will remember you," "waiting in the wings" "hole in the world" and "not fade away" basically had me on the verge of tears, to say nothing of connor's birth or basically all of s3... and the end of buffy had me going "ok, good ending, well done," whereas angel basically made me go "wtf, i want more!"
both awesome though. and i agree w/ micoian... TNG blows DS9 out of the goddamn water.
[ edited by kefka on 2009-10-10 06:31 ]
kefka | October 09, 21:31 CET
Great list. Kudos.
IrrationaliTV | October 09, 21:37 CET
But I really liked Buffy and Angel, they are different, and I like them for different reasons, one is not really better then the other.
activebrowncoat | October 09, 21:45 CET
Buffy was always the steadier series for me, but Angel had far more moments, arcs, and characters that I loved. As kefka pointed out, Angel did fill a need for some viewers for more complex male characters. All obligatory love for Xander and Giles, but they did seem to just spontaneously morph into whatever the plot required. I think Spike was a very positive step in adding a complex character mid-swim for Buffy.
[ edited by azzers on 2009-10-10 06:58 ]
azzers | October 09, 21:54 CET
And I've got to say, as much as I enjoyed some parts of Angel, Buffy was always a compelling story - Angel only was occasionally.
deird | October 10, 01:47 CET
For a woman, it was pure joy to see the girl get to be the kick-ass hero and main character, and as a glorious bonus, get to be as flawed as male heroes.
Any a big yay for the Torchwood love!
Not that invested in any of the other examples. Well, OK - I do have a soft spot for Beavis and Butthead. But that may be the result of a long ago mind-altered marathon with two friends, during which I learned the true meaning of laughing until you cry and have stomach cramps. ;)
Shey | October 10, 01:58 CET
Racoon Boy | October 10, 02:21 CET
Any list that recognises Angel's greatness is ok with me:) - there should be more!
angeliclestat | October 10, 02:31 CET
Small Blue Thing | October 10, 02:36 CET
Dana5140 | October 10, 04:00 CET
Not in my universe. :)
Some of Angel can be better than some of Buffy. There may be moments of Torchwood that are better than certain moments of Doctor Who (Children of Earth comes to mind) but by and large, no.
I'd rather just watch all the stuff I love and love it. On DVD I'm watching The Man From UNCLE and Get Smart. They're both spy shows. Not going to pick one over the other. (I've just ordered season one of I Spy. I think this counts as a trend.)
redeem147 | October 10, 04:36 CET
I do like Torchwood better than Doctor Who, but that's mostly because a) it's more my style and b) it has IANTO.
Green Queen | October 10, 04:39 CET
redeem147 | October 10, 05:16 CET
WilliamTheB | October 10, 06:35 CET
DS9 kicks TNG in the shin. Sorry for those of you who gave up on Season 1 and 2.. DS9 gets OH so good.
Nightshot | October 10, 08:19 CET
Mirage | October 10, 08:33 CET
ChromeShark | October 10, 08:37 CET
Giles_314 | October 10, 08:51 CET
As to Torchwood being better then Who, well If you're counting season 3 'Children of Earth, well yes, that wasn't just better then any 'New Who' that I've ever seen, but better then a lot of drama that was on this summer. But then COE was extremely adult in it's outlook, whilst Who was always aimed more towards families with young children.
[ edited by sueworld2003 on 2009-10-10 17:58 ]
sueworld2003 | October 10, 08:56 CET
Out of Objects | October 10, 09:12 CET
And, yeah, as much as I liked TNG, I gotta go with DS9. I also feel like some of TNG hasn't necessarily aged well..
[ edited by kishi on 2009-10-10 20:19 ]
kishi | October 10, 11:20 CET
As a girl, I'm all for watching Buffy kick demon ass but a lot of the time I enjoy watching Angel more ('cept of course S4. The only things I probably like about that Season were Angelus and the continuation of Wesley's arc.). Ok, maybe I have a slight weakness for DB ;D , but I also prefer the darker, more adult tone of Angel and I can't help but be completely drawn in to Angel's struggle for redemption. I think I'm also one of the few who actually enjoyed S1 of Angel - I loved the noir, detective theme and I loved Doyle (and IWRY made me blub!)
I also love that Plymouth GTX too!
Seasons 2, 3 and 5 of Angel were phenomenal, as were 2, 3, and 7 of Buffy IMO.
So I love them both equally, really.
Shep | October 10, 12:09 CET
Turbofist911 | October 10, 14:21 CET
Maybe it's because I never got into Angel as I did with Buffy (besides some great arcs like Seasons 2 & 3, and the Illyria one.)
I always read that Angel was more mature and darker show than Buffy, but I can't agree with that. For me, even the S2's lawyers locked and killed (Angel's darkest hour) isn't near the whole Buffy S6.
And one can think Angel is darker because he is a vampire, but he always was going into the sunlight in every episode (in not so credible ways) while Buffy was more of a night creature (person and show) LOL.
And for the article, I found Dawn and Glory pretty original and great.
Angel TheVampire | October 10, 14:31 CET
silent knight | October 10, 14:38 CET
I'm currently Neflixing DS9 and two seasons in I'm just not that impressed. I heard all these great things about it and I loved Babylon 5 and heard it was a comparable show. I keep hearing it will get better and I'm hoping it does but so far my favorite of that era of Star Trek is Voyager.
Dr. Who & Torchwood are a toss up for me, depends on which show I'm watching at the time I guess because I've totally enjoyed them both.
Xena was way better than Hercules!
Firefly Flanatic | October 10, 14:45 CET
That's not a slam against the writers. I simply think they were making a decision on whose stories they were most interested in telling episode to episode. We would get things like "The Zeppo" where Xander goes from "I hate not being a part of things" to "I'm totally ok with being in the background" in one episode. And we also get "The Replacement" where Xander discovers personal confidence by meeting himself. Even Xander's walk-off wedding seemed entirely brief and had me thinking, "well...ok" rather than "that's unfortunate but how could it happen any other way". Things were so condensed that I guess it wasn't satisfying for me to follow either of them whereas it was satisfying to follow Buffy, Willow, and later Spike.
azzers | October 10, 14:51 CET