October 19 2009
Joss Whedon to direct one of the back-nine episodes of GLEE.
I feel like crying tears of joy right now. Update: Joss comments.
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So Dollhouse really isn't getting 22 episodes this season then?
Simon | October 19, 21:35 CET
OMG...Joss Whedon and Jane Lynch. ::starts crying again::
ProgGrrl | October 19, 21:36 CET
jkalderash | October 19, 21:36 CET
But like Simon I was kind of hoping Dollhouse would get to do 22 episodes...
embers | October 19, 21:37 CET
Simon | October 19, 21:38 CET
Scaniano | October 19, 21:39 CET
If this is true I will buy Joss a pint one day. Positive reenforcement, and all that. (This post works better if you're a Big Bang fan).
Dollhouse is not going to be 22 episodes, short of a miracle, which makes me a sad gossi.
Edit: joss says I'm wrong below. I like being wrong. Bring it, Miracle Man.
[ edited by gossi on 2009-10-19 23:51 ]
gossi | October 19, 21:42 CET
kishi | October 19, 21:42 CET
On E4?
Simon | October 19, 21:44 CET
Love this news! Although, does seem to suggest that no one is expecting the back nine :(.
bubblecat | October 19, 21:45 CET
Joss + music = awesomeness of epic proportions.
missb | October 19, 21:46 CET
Ella78 | October 19, 21:48 CET
lisaspo | October 19, 21:49 CET
Personally I quite like the show, it's got a good heart and i'll probably keep watching. The situations are fairly hackneyed though and the miming puts me off (i'd rather have less well produced songs that feel truer but I understand it'd probably be a production nightmare to have them sing within the scenes). To some extent I feel like I maybe don't quite "get" what they're aiming for.
Saje | October 19, 21:50 CET
I am so happy Joss is gonna be directing. I mean, he could write something too. That would be perfect.
Joss + Musical + Jane Lynch = OMFG!
Rikardo | October 19, 21:52 CET
Well, I'm actually among those who're buzzing on twitter about Joss directing Glee! I love the show, and I think this is pretty great news!
Also, I was made to notice the first comment to that article,
please bring NPH.
Sincerely,
everyone.
Yes. Please.
JotheCat | October 19, 21:55 CET
That said, I'm rather curious how this might turn out and what tropes he might wanna use given how the series is sort of all over the place in terms of tone--I do generally mean that in a good way.
Wonder if Joss will go handheld? Special effects? Finally a return to those epic oner shots that the first two episodes opened up with? (I actually would like it if they ever established the geography of that high school. From what I've heard all these open corridor high schools we have on the west coast would never exist in Ohio given the weather.)
orangewaxlion | October 19, 21:57 CET
Glee Death Pool begins!
C. A. Bridges | October 19, 21:57 CET
Saje | October 19, 21:59 CET
Hunted | October 19, 22:01 CET
gossi | October 19, 22:07 CET
Eric G | October 19, 22:08 CET
I love the show, but some eps are only mediocre. Although even in those eps, there's always a character, the humor, or a musical sequence (or a bit of each of those) that makes it worthwhile. Also really bothers me, as Saje mentioned, that the characters are very obviously not singing in most scenes. The miming is so apparent and awkward and it all sounds too clean and overproduced sometimes. But they do have some scenes (usually "practice"-type scenes) where the vocals sound more like they're in the scene with the characters and not just coming from some recording studio through my TV speakers. And even with the more ready-for-CD-pressing sound of some of the songs, almost all of them are still very listenable and creative (the medley thing they did with the boys vs. girls a couple eps ago was pretty cool). The show's even managed to allow me to enjoy some songs I thought I was sick of hearing or never liked to begin with.
"The situations are fairly hackneyed"
Yeah, they are a little, but...I dunno, Ryan Murphy seems to go for broke even when he has a successful show on his hands (Nip/Tuck, Glee), like he's fearing cancellation but actually in no danger of it being inflicted on him (Popular). Each episode is pretty rapid-fire and one might even say the dialogue and pacing is a little rushed in parts, but the music takes up a lot of time in most eps so it's understandable that they gotta work quickly to fit the character development and exposition in. I guess I forgive the show for its sometimes-hackneyed plots because it feels like it's meant to be pretty cheesy and sometimes spoofing or at least spinning the typical highschool drama (it feels equal parts teen show and equal parts Boston Public in basic structure). The acting is top notch and a lot of the characters and lines give me quality guffaws (not just Jane Lynch, although she is a huge part of it).
Cool to hear Joss'll be directing. I like that he keeps working on stuff I'm already invested in (The Office and this).
[ edited by Kris on 2009-10-19 22:10 ]
Kris | October 19, 22:11 CET
It's a fun show, but there's way more stuff that annoy me on it than stuff that I like about it.
I'm still watching cause I don't like anything else on Tuesday night...
Anyway, good for Joss.
maxsummers | October 19, 22:14 CET
zillah | October 19, 22:15 CET
She's already in it, my friends. The episode may not have been shot or cast yet or even written, but I still think it's Sarah Michelle Gellar.
Pointy | October 19, 22:18 CET
crazygolfa | October 19, 22:23 CET
He should direct some more Office. Or maybe How I Met Your Mother?
UnpluggedCrazy | October 19, 22:23 CET
Simon | October 19, 22:25 CET
jkalderash | October 19, 22:26 CET
I want to see what he could do with an episode of Mad Men.
UnpluggedCrazy | October 19, 22:27 CET
I ask this question without snark and without meaning to put down Glee in any way.
Glee is written by others (not-Joss) and contains non-original music (not written by Joss). So it would seem Joss won't be contributing on those counts. What he will be contributing is his directorial eye and choices, which will be wonderfully cool. You can bet I'll be tuning in to see what he does. But unless he gets to write a song or something, I can't see the episode as really being about the wonderfulness of the combination of Joss and musicals. Am I on the wrong track? Am I underestimating the power of television directing? If so, please enlighten me.
Unplugged: I'd kill to see a Joss-directed Mad Men episode, too. Kill, I tell you.
phlebotinin | October 19, 22:31 CET
Didn't we say that about 'The Office' too though ? Most seemed to think those eps bore a Jossian stamp (don't think i've seen them yet).
[/reverse psychologising] [is that even a word?]
It's totally a word [/untrutherisation].
I guess I forgive the show for its sometimes-hackneyed plots because it feels like it's meant to be pretty cheesy and sometimes spoofing or at least spinning the typical highschool drama (it feels equal parts teen show and equal parts Boston Public in basic structure)
Yeah, I get that vibe too Kris (you just cannot have a musical TV series that's, essentially, about a bunch of kids "putting on a show against great odds" without having your tongue somewhat in cheek) so some leeway can be granted. Still, you can't just do the cliched stories but under the guise of spoofing them, you have to send them up somehow in the process so I guess it depends where some of the threads end up going.
Saje | October 19, 22:35 CET
UnpluggedCrazy
From your mouth to Matt Weiner's ear. (Possibly by way of Marti Noxon)
Znachki | October 19, 22:35 CET
Simon | October 19, 22:38 CET
Unless he wants to dance with Sue Sylvester. That could be scary at SO many levels.
Better yet, let's hope Joss can come up with a new song, too. Combine that with Lea Michele, and we'll have Rachel, the Singing Slayer. She could toss some garlic-flavored slurpees at some vampires, for one thing.
[ edited by impalergeneral on 2009-10-19 22:39 ]
impalergeneral | October 19, 22:40 CET
UnpluggedCrazy | October 19, 22:41 CET
Joss' camerawork, now I think about it, seems to fit right in with what Glee's is as well. So excited.
(Also, Dollhouse double-bill starts tomorrow on Sci-Fi UK - Good week!)
Jaymii | October 19, 22:42 CET
OMG!!!
This is epic news, my day just got a million times better!
I've squee'd my pants!
sunshineguinn | October 19, 22:42 CET
I look forward to seeing what Joss does with his episode - hope he gets a good guest star, too.
For those of you that haven't been watching, the episode 5 cross-cut duet between Kristin Chenoweth and Glee regular Lea Michele/"Rachel" was frikkin' sublime. And Jane Lynch as "Sue Sylvester" is Liquid Evil. In a bottle. I love her.
I mean, er, um, I hate her guts. Kill her now.
QuoterGal | October 19, 22:42 CET
UnpluggedCrazy
Awesome, awesome things of sheer awesomeness would be my guess.
From your mouth to Matt Weiner's ear. (Possibly by way of Marti Noxon)
Znachki
And by way of Christina Hendrix and Vincent Kartheiser.
williamthebloody1880 | October 19, 22:47 CET
MattK | October 19, 22:48 CET
Usual caution: Just don't abuse/spam to do so. Mainly, I'm just saying if you want to tweet "Joss Whedon directing an episode of Glee!" do it as "#dollhouse's Joss Whedon directing an episode of Glee!"
The One True b!X | October 19, 22:48 CET
Jane Lynch/Sue Sylvester is liquid evil. She revokes tanning privileges ! Even Stalin never did that ! And yep, Kristen Chenoweth has got pipes, no messing (no surprise either but it's nice to be reminded).
Joss directing Dexter would intrigue me greatly.
So long as he just directs. If Joss were to write an episode of 'Dexter' though ... Well, i'll get in early and say I really can't stand Debs either. Like, if a certain creator were to kill her it'd be no skin off my nose, wouldn't bat an eye, ain't no thang. Nope, no sirree...
(Are we scarred ? I think we might be scarred)
Saje | October 19, 22:48 CET
fortunateizzi | October 19, 22:49 CET
So awesome! GLEE is my fave new show this season.
Emmie | October 19, 22:51 CET
I know many people think Glee can be over the top but I just think that how Ryan Murphy does High School. Popular was even worse with the believability but was still great (season one only) and had Mary Cheery.
AliciaJo | October 19, 22:52 CET
RachVG | October 19, 22:53 CET
Joss directed How I Met Your Mother is something I'd like to see too. Atleast there he can't kill anybody (or can he?) And according to IMDB there were a few eps Pamela Fryman didn't direct, so maybe it wouldn't be impossible.
I only watched the pilot of Glee, not really my thing, I thought, but I suppose I'll watch the Joss episode. Maybe a good reason to give to whole thing another chance.
The first of Joss Office episodes felt very Jossian to me, the second did too but to a far lesser extend.
the Groosalugg | October 19, 23:00 CET
I've just discovered True Blood recently, so I'm really feeling quite spoilt for television at the moment (and hell if I wouldn't love to see Joss' take on True Blood as well) plus I can't get the way Bill says "Sookie" out of my head, ahh it's so wonderful
MattK | October 19, 23:07 CET
Didn't realise before this show was done by the same person who did Popular. I really liked that show back when it aired on the WB. Cool :).
GVH | October 19, 23:07 CET
No, this doesn't mean Dollhouse definitely won't get a back nine. Our numbers mean that! But I kid. Okay, we're not exactly saving all the good stuff for 14-22, but nobody's closed the door. If D'House suddenly busts wide, huzzah, we'll still bring it, and I'll still go and direct an episode of Glee, because of my love of cops. These realities can co-exist. And possibly cross over, at least in fiction that I have wri - read. About.
What can we expect from a 'Joss Whedon' epsiode of Glee? An episode of Glee. God willin' and the crik don't rise, a good one. A television director's job is, on some level, to be anonymous; to find the most compelling way to present a story without calling attention to himself. I had a wonderful time doing just that on The Office, and hope to again. A guest director can bring a huge amount to the party (we've had CRAZY talent on Dollhouse), but the party isn't his. I just want to work with good people on a show that I like enough to have watched every episode several times. (I lied: I HAVE watched the show. And seriously, when do the cops show up?)
Whom will I kill? When will that go away? Is death really the only thing I'm known for? I'd hope not. You know how many people in the world actually die? ALL OF THEM. You know how many I've killed? Statistically, somewhat fewer. Can't we focus on another element of my work? Having said that, probably Principal Figgins. (No! I kid! God.)
Anyway, I hope that clears things up. I'm going to do my best, and more importantly, I'm going to do my best not to gush like a fanboy for eight straight days on set. Don't worry. I practiced with Bamber. I'm a pro.
Happy Monday. Especially for me. -j.
joss | October 19, 23:15 CET
ShanshuBugaboo | October 19, 23:20 CET
katetwo | October 19, 23:21 CET
See, that's the thing I always think when folks actually ( & not kiddingly ; >) go off about The Jossian Killing Sprees.
It should be the others that get crap for not killing characters, which is the hackneyed device - keeping everybody safe - unlike in life - so people will feel comforted & then (hopefully) coming back...
'Cause, you know, death happens - constantly - a little inevitable detail we in this culture especially like to forget.
Congrats, Jossir, on this gig. It's a happy.
ETF: little spelling
detaldetail.[ edited by QuoterGal on 2009-10-19 23:21 ]
QuoterGal | October 19, 23:24 CET
chazman | October 19, 23:25 CET
Thanks for commenting. Good to know this doesn't mean anything about the Dollhouse back nine.
Sunfire | October 19, 23:26 CET
buffywrestling | October 19, 23:30 CET
'Cause if he was eaten by jackal-kids, it would just be wrong.
QuoterGal | October 19, 23:30 CET
Agreed, QuoterGal, on the statistical truth of the death/killing artistic choice. Such a good point. And one made by the man himself.
phlebotinin | October 19, 23:30 CET
Numfar PTB | October 19, 23:31 CET
ankie | October 19, 23:32 CET
Joss. Commented. On. A. Post. I. Posted.
::more pure joy::
ProgGrrl | October 19, 23:33 CET
The One True b!X | October 19, 23:33 CET
lisaspo | October 19, 23:35 CET
I'm happy Joss is happy doing this. I'm glad some others are happy with this.
I simply have no interest in the show, or any sort of happy, singing, highschool show. I hated highschool, and I don't like happy shows with normal people. I'm a normal person, I have no interest in it. Especially with singing. I love Dr. Horrible and Once More with Feeling, but those are not normal musicals. They are about monsterslayers and monsters, and supervillian/heroes. My other favorite musicals are similarly about robots and aliens (Futurama musical episode) or a magic fellow (Jesus Christ Superstar). Average musicals, especially with kids, especially set in highschool, are not my cup of caffeinated drink.
I just hope that this can somehow save Dollhouse. And it depresses me that after all this time trying to pimp Dollhouse on twitter, it takes some other Fox show to get Joss on Twitter.
But darn it, I can't stay angry at you Joss. Your stuff has always been great, and I of course have absolutely no right to demand you work on anything in particular. So I hope you have fun, and I hope that you also get to do some directing on the Dollhouse back 9. Back in the real world, I hope that maybe you get to work on Serving Girl. :) But whatever it is, I'm sure it will be great.
Also, thank you for the Summery goodness this season, as well Alexis, and the Ackeriffic season. I can't wait for the rest of the episodes.
SteppeMerc | October 19, 23:35 CET
dollrific | October 19, 23:36 CET
Dawnfire87 | October 19, 23:38 CET
[ edited by The One True b!X on 2009-10-19 23:36 ]
The One True b!X | October 19, 23:38 CET
That pairing earns a hearty "Blargh!" from me.
[ edited by Sunfire on 2009-10-19 23:49 ]
Frass | October 19, 23:42 CET
The One True b!X | October 19, 23:43 CET
I wouldn't complain if Terri developed some layers though. She is currently kind of awful.
I simply have no interest in the show, or any sort of happy, singing, highschool show. I hated highschool, and I don't like happy shows with normal people.
The show has a core of profound unhappiness despite some joyous musical numbers. It feels a little bleak actually once the music stops and you think about what all just happened. Especially the Kristin Chenoweth episode. It's not unlike Buffy in that respect. The dialogue can be pretty brutal. It just has dance instead of fight scenes and singing talents instead of superpowers.
Sunfire | October 19, 23:43 CET
Rachel, the Singing Slayer
Think about it. And if you can, Sweet and Sue Sylvester in a love duet. It'll be Halloween in April..ish
ETA: we should have asked him about Powers #1, and whether he's really a super-villian in those comic panels we saw yesterday
[ edited by impalergeneral on 2009-10-19 23:41 ]
impalergeneral | October 19, 23:43 CET
Joss--words can't express my excitement! I can't wait!!! WOO HOO! *does dance of joy*
buffyfanatic18 | October 19, 23:44 CET
Exciting stuff, I'm excited, Twitter is excited, Joss is posting on Whedonesque. It's a good day.
ailiel | October 19, 23:44 CET
property of Mr Gordo | October 19, 23:46 CET
Djungelurban | October 19, 23:47 CET
Likewithpie | October 19, 23:48 CET
MySerenity | October 19, 23:50 CET
Me Gleeful.
JotheCat | October 19, 23:52 CET
I made part of that comment invisible to hide the spoiler and I'd appreciate if people with comments on Dollhouse plot developments make them in the appropriate threads and not here where it's neither on topic nor under a spoiler tag.
Sunfire | October 19, 23:52 CET
[ edited by gossi on 2009-10-19 23:53 ]
gossi | October 19, 23:56 CET
Anywayyy... that was a fun and usefull update. But our favorite joss out of all the, eh, josses we know shouldn't worry. He's not only known for death. There's also been some buzz about his Power Hands of Doom™ lately, courtesy of Saje and Pointy. Which, y'know, upside. I guess.
GVH | October 20, 00:03 CET
JustNick | October 20, 00:08 CET
Also, joss, you always bring the funny. Thanks for that. Don't worry, you're not only known for death! You're known for feminism, death, funny and death. It's like a plate of spam, baked beans, egg, sausage and spam from that one Monty Python sketch. It's not all spam. Err...
Looking forward to your episode of Glee and to that 14-22 of Dollhouse! ;)
CZGoldEdition | October 20, 00:09 CET
This.
I'm happy about the Glee thing, because it makes Joss happy and gets him trending on twitter, and those are goods in my book. But as far as the show itself--I watch, I mostly enjoy, but I ultimately I don't care all that much.
But I'm happy that Joss is happy, and happy for Joss/Glee fans, and seriously happy that Dollhouse still has a shot at the back nine.
erendis | October 20, 00:16 CET
I have been watching Glee, but I admit I don't totally love it. My reasons: I don't like that the jock in Glee is kinda stupid (always asking what not-that-hard words mean), I'm so over that stereotype. And I don't like how it could've been the show about the high-school everyman (as opposed to GossipGirl type shows), when really it mainly just focuses on the two 'pretty' kids in the Glee Club.
What I do like about it: the musical numbers. I also totes love that the background music is scat-like vocals.
And I will keep watching, since I am VERY excited to see a Joss-directed epi. Woot!
Linnea1928 | October 20, 00:16 CET
Lunakitty | October 20, 00:40 CET
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Kiba | October 20, 01:06 CET
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Invisible Green | October 20, 01:44 CET
Whedonesque uses CET, as we all know, because Whedon lives in Albania.
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/42765
Succatash | October 20, 01:59 CET
Litwal | October 20, 02:06 CET
I still can kinda see Sue stopping by the Dollhouse to hire out an active to destroy Glee. Maybe a newly transferred student named Missy who also happened to be in gymnastics and could bolster her Cheerios and also once was a back up singer to ... Wait, in hindsight Bring It On might not be a Fox franchise but my point still stands as a storm of dissimilar perfection. ^_^
orangewaxlion | October 20, 02:17 CET
jiggyfly | October 20, 02:24 CET
Lioness | October 20, 02:25 CET
Glee? Gladder.
Willowy | October 20, 02:50 CET
jabby | October 20, 03:25 CET
Green Queen | October 20, 04:03 CET
Jobo | October 20, 05:18 CET
Arcadia | October 20, 05:22 CET
archon | October 20, 06:37 CET
CrazyKidBen | October 20, 06:58 CET
GoldDust12 | October 20, 07:47 CET
hence | October 20, 08:11 CET
For me too. I stopped after three episodes because the show really never delivered the punch "Don't Stop Believin'" promised in the pilot. But now... hmmm.
wiesengrund | October 20, 08:30 CET
Well, except me right ? Death is something that happens to other people. Right ? *nervously laughs* ... Right ?
(we're just kiddin' re: death your purpleness, we know you're more than just a pretty corpse maker. And congrats on the gig, have a blast ;)
Saje | October 20, 09:39 CET
Gota luv that Buffy | October 20, 10:50 CET
palehorse | October 20, 11:16 CET
buffythespartanslayer | October 20, 12:00 CET
I actually felt episode four was the best of the bunch so far (I've only seen four so far), wiesengrund, so I'd say: give it at least one more.
(Funny how all of us - me included, by the way - 'judge' shows on just a few eps when that annoys us if they're shows we love, like Dollhouse :))
GVH | October 20, 13:11 CET
marvelknight616 | October 20, 14:14 CET
Yes, but early judgment is pretty much unavoidable. Critique, however, can always stand to be better substantiated. I’ve watched all seven episodes of Glee and find the writing doggerel, self-asserting, stereotyped and almost completely without value. That opinion may catapult me into a small minority here, judging by the comments so far, but I don’t think I’m alone in rather wishing Joss wouldn’t waste his time with this.
hence | October 20, 14:26 CET
jcs | October 20, 15:00 CET
Thanks for the post! Please DO kill someone. That would be hilarious--I can almost hear the promo voice-over, "Tune in for a very special holiday episode of Glee..."
Here's the scenario, its Christmas time and the Glee kids are putting on a holiday pageant and maybe one of the kids gets a sudden case of "missle-toe" (obviously, this is an affliction that causes ones foot to rocket up towards the sky). Meanwhile, the entire school is discussing and debating whether or not this is a real affliction or some made up thing. The tension builds until we finally see one of the Cheerios rocketing towards the heavens, foot first.
Instant. Holiday. Classic.
alexreager | October 20, 15:36 CET
Lady Brick | October 20, 17:18 CET
The excitement! How fantastic, two of my favourite things combining. I'm pretty much safely assuming this will be the greatest episode of Glee ever. Statistics indicate this.
Now, back to gasping incoherently with happiness and the like!
shinyEcho | October 21, 03:28 CET
Becca5002 | October 21, 05:51 CET
Glee will be even more full of joy and mirth!
wrecks | October 21, 18:00 CET
luv4whedon | November 01, 21:38 CET