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December 02 2009

Editor Scott Allie talks about upcoming Twilight reveal in Buffy Season 8. Article title reveals which specific issue will have Twilight's unmasking. There's also a rather surprising reveal on the cover art.

Definitely looks like Spike, yes. So it won't be Spike.
Is it Dr. Horrible?
My money's on Giles for some reason that makes a kind of sense that doesn't.
It looks like Giles.

So either that's a red herring, or we're going to be pissed.
Does anyone know the Spiderman Cover that this new cover is supposed to be mimicking? Linkage?
I still believe it's going to be Spike.
I still think it's Ben.
Spike's hair was never that curly on the show...I don't see why it would be him. You can see what appears to be glasses on the left side of the head. It's sooo Giles.

I bet it's Joyce Summers resurrected, taking MOO global.
I took the "glasses" to be a loop of hair, personally.
aus-mitch - I'm not a big history-of-comics guy, so I could well be wrong, but I believe in a recent interview with Georges Jeanty, this was the Spider-Man cover in question. It's about halfway down the page, with some discussion surrounding it:

http://slayaliveforums.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=retreat&action=display&thread=9550
No, it looks different from the rest of the hair.
Maybe to you. But not to me. ;)
My money has always been on Pike. I mean, Joss is bound to bring him back sooner or later, and what other person knows Buffy?

[ edited by badwolf on 2009-12-02 21:48 ]
I took it as his ears. And Riker, first episodes of season 6 Spike's hair was very curly. And we've seen George draw Spike, he draws his hair quite wavy.

Another thing i noticed about the cover, Willow and Xander on one side, Buffy on the other. Buffy using 2 hands in shock and awe while Willow and Xander both use one different hand each. Could possibly be a sign that the reveal is that more shocking to Buffy then the rest of the group.
It's not his ears. They aren't solid.

We'll just have to wait til March to see who's right. And I hope I'm right so I can gloat. ;-)
No, you see, it's Spike only he's wearing glasses! It's his back-up disguise a la Clark Kent in case of accidental mask removal!
I don't think they'll make it Pike, badwolf. Not everyone has read the 3-issue mini-series "The Origin" (then again, not everyone has read Fray and that got included in Season 8 anyway, the scythe even in the show), nor seen the original film. Even if it's assumed that many/most Buffy fans have, it's still kinda...reaching. I could live with it being Buffy's dad (though that's not nearly my top pick) better than I could live with it being Pike. I know he might be canon in TV-Buffy, he might not, it sure seems like he was (except, though "The Origin" was adapted from Joss' original movie script, the comic wasn't Joss-penned), and he knows Buffy, but he just hasn't been present enough to make a reveal like that have much impact.

Plus people are gonna say shit like, "Twilight is Luke Perry? Lame" if that happens.

It probably ain't Ben, though that'd be cool.

If it's someone's double (like the death in "Chosen" split Spike up somehow, though I don't think creating Twilight would be in Wolfram & Hart's interests), that'd be a big WTF, even though we discussed it here previously.

Heh, Riker (appropriately enough, a character that was doubled in a transporter accident on Star Trek:TNG), you're gonna be sharing that gloating with a significant portion of the Buffy fanbase if you're right.

[ edited by Kris on 2009-12-02 22:08 ]
Oh, come on, it's clearly Jesse.
If that's Giles, then Giles has been working out like crazy, unless the suit comes with well-defined super muscles built in.
If that's Giles, then Giles has been working out like crazy, unless the suit comes with well-defined super muscles built in.

If a Batman suit can come with nipples, then a Twilight suit can come with muscles.
Could be Larry, the gay football player who was a white hat in "The Wish." Didn't he have curly hair?
Has to be a reveal that has emotional resonance, both to us and to Buffy. How many people could it be? We can rule out Angel, since that really makes no sense; same for Spike. I just don't see it being Giles. Caleb is a weak choice. I still feel it has to be Hank, though again, that would not really hit me that hard. But who is left that we know: Angel, Spike, First, Mayor, Caleb, Riley (nope), Master, Moloch, Parker, Jonathan, Ethan Rayne, Fray's brother, etc. None really make much sense to me.
First guesses off the image were Giles and then Spike.
At the very least, we "know" it's someone with lighter/shortish hair if the cover is trustworthy. So that nixes anyone who was still thinking Caleb, Angel, Ethan, etc unless they got hair dye at least.
Larry as Twilight - ha!

Good point, b!x.
I remember Cracked being very upset about the biggest unresolved cliffhanger of Buffy: What happened to the eggs of the Prying Mantis? So, my bet is on those little creeps.
Amazing Spider-Man #289.

And... sigh... they could have done a better job censoring out the glasses.
I'm going to laugh at you all when it's revealed that it isn't glasses. I mean, really? He pulls off his mask and there's somehow glasses under there the outlines of which we couldn't see when the mask was on?

[ edited by The One True b!X on 2009-12-02 22:49 ]
My money is on Giles. I think the choice of Buffy, Willow, and Xander definitely points to Giles--because those four were the heart of the show, from beginning to end.

If you look at the Spider-man Cover that Jeanty is referencing, there are only two witnesses. Jeanty chose to put three people, and he chose those three people.

If it was Spike, I don't know why you'd choose to put Willow or Xander on the cover.
Or perhaps Jeanty couldn't decide between Xander and Willow and chose both?

Looking more closely at the ASM cover actually, Hobgoblin is facing the reader directly - which makes me more inclined to think that stray line might actually represent an ear rather than spectacles.
"What happened to the eggs of the Prying Mantis?"
Or indeed the eggs of the Praying Mantis? The two greatest Buffy mysteries! ;)

Twilight does look like he has Spike-hair. Even the pose looks like something Spike might do. Then again, it's more of a 'ta-da!' pose, which Spike might not do. Also, 3 belts and a frilly skirt-type thingy - probably not Spike.
Also, 3 belts and a frilly skirt-type thingy - probably not Spike.

But maybe a gender-confused Ben. ;)

Stay away from my dead horse, I'm still beating him.
Yep, Georges is paying tribute to Amazing Spider-Man 289, which revealed the identity...supposedly...of the Hobgoblin. But I wonder if that's a clue, seeing as how fans were faked out several times with false reveals of the Hobgoblin's true identity. Maybe we're not getting the real face behind Twilight now after all?

http://www.samruby.com/AmazingSpider-ManC/Large/AmazingSpider-Man289.jpg
Geez, guys, the unmasking already happened in #11, albeit partial. What's the news here?

(Joke!)
Or indeed the eggs of the Praying Mantis? The two greatest Buffy mysteries! ;)


It's just one of these days where I'm falling pray to the spelling. ;)
I think the curly hair is there just to throw us off track.

Do we know for a fact that twilight is a man? Sure he looks like a man, but appearances can be deceiving. Perhaps it's Buffy herself from the future, perhaps the time-traveling arc was a set up for something like this. Other female candidates are Dawn or Satsu. From the FUTURE! Ooooh!
I'll wait to see if Superbuffy makes sense, but if it turns out that Twilight is Giles.... If a damn good explaination isn't offered immediately before or after the reveal I might just drop the book entirely!

My faith is waning....
Well. That image and the clothes and all ... kinda looks to me like Twilight is the character James Marsters played in Torchwood.

edited to add: that would be cool.

[ edited by menomegirl on 2009-12-03 00:01 ]
What are the odds it will be revealed on the last page of #33, with Twilight facing away from the camera so we only see the characters' reaction (or lack thereof)?
It's been updated to reveal that Barack Obama is Twilight.


I FRICKING KID YOU NOT.
I think it would be GREAT if it were Parker. The weasel.


I think that reveal would be SWELL!!!!!
After seeing that, my moneys on Spike. Looks like his hair, he saw Buffy's crotch-scythe offensive and his general comments seem Spikeish.
My initial reaction was, Giles?!!?!? Then I thought, Spike?!?!?!?
Then I went back to look at the picture again after reading what you all thought and damn, Sparticus is right! It really IS Barack Obama!!!
You gotta admit, the guy comes trough with his campaign promises. The end of all magic, now that's change!
My wild card guess is Ethan Rayne, having faked his death, early in season 8.

That said, I doubt even the blurred out version is the real face used, as I don't think they want any hints revealed.
Keep in mind Jeanty faked us out with his cover to Buffy #17 where we all thought it was Dru and turned out to be Dark Willow.In fact Allie even said they intentionally used the Dru fake out to hide it was Willow.

Personally,I think it's Scott Hope or Parker.lol

[ edited by Buffyfantic on 2009-12-03 01:44 ]
I changed my mind. It's not Ben. It's J.J. Abrams.
No, has to be either Hank or Giles. And I just don't see the point of it being Giles- he has lived with magic all his life, has fought the good fight, etc. But of course, he also knows Buffy's every move, so would know about Riley. What would Giles accomplish by removing all the slayers? Demons and vamps would still be present in the world, but we would not have as much armament to fight them. And if he affects the Slayer, he limits how well that fight goes on in the future. If it is Giles, he better have a damned good reason.

But of course, really Twilight is Tara....
;-)
I noticed something in that picture that I never noticed about Twilight: Is he wearing a metal breastplate? If that's the case, could Twilight be a chick? That's probably reaching.

It really does look like Giles, especially with what appears to be glasses.

It is definitely 100% not Spike though, because incredibly obvious hints were already dropped that it was Spike. No way they would make it that obvious.
Ah, but dispatch, couldn't that be the point? Drop uber-blatant hints so we're guaranteed to use them to write Spike off and be floored when it turns out to actually be him?
I've been waiting for Joss to do something like that for awhile actually.
Harth Fray also wears glasses.
I hate to be all logical and stuff but Retreat Part 5 showed Giles in the slayer's camp and Twilight across the valley with Amy and the soldiers at exactly the same time. Unless you can come up with a fan-wank explanation of that I think it proves they're not the same person.

I'm in the Ethan Rayne as Twilight camp. I think Ethan would enjoy the chaos and anarchy of the present situation!

[ edited by Capt. Logic on 2009-12-03 04:52 ]
CBR has updated their article with a face:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=23906
Cl- yes, thanks for that reminder. So, not Giles- though I could at least argue a case for why it could be Giles. Spike just makes no sense to me; why him, why would he do this in the way he has, etc., when he left still loving Buffy? Risky business here, since it is entirely possible the reveal will be a big thud.
I've just seen it and...

And...

My brain hurts.
I hate to be all logical and stuff but Retreat Part 5 showed Giles in the slayer's camp and Twilight across the valley with Amy and the soldiers at exactly the same time. Unless you can come up with a fan-wank explanation of that I think it proves they're not the same person.


Actually, one running theory is that it's a future version of someone from the cast. Given the time travel arc and that we've already seen future Dark Willow, it's not farfetched.

So it could be Future-Giles or even Future-Andrew (if you took the Spike reference from a few issues back as a hint it was Andrew).

(ETA: I took the Spike reference as a red herring, so I think it won't be Spike or Andrew)

[ edited by dispatch on 2009-12-03 07:21 ]
Damn I thought it was going to be Biden.
Ethan Rayne.
C'mon. Who really thinks a Chaos-worshipping old warhorse who spent decades of his life stirring up mayhem whilst evading the very demon he helped conjure is just going to lie down in a cell and wait for the military to turn him inside out? That body was clearly a plant.


That said, it could be Giles. He has been awfully absent throughout the series, and he remains the only father-like figure to Buffy that hasn't already been irreversibly compromised. And we DO know he can borrow immense power, when he has a 'theory' he cares to test.

Well, either it's one of them, or it's.... oh all right then. Square one.


(ETA: Further to reading some of the other comments: B-b-but Giles could still be the guy who knows more about Twilight than he's letting on? He HAS been quiet something fierce. And we know not all is well between Buffy and himself. So the question is... what is he not telling us?)

[ edited by Ninsiima on 2009-12-03 08:58 ]
What's in that CBR article ? I wanna make sure it's just a joke and not a visual spoiler they've somehow gotten hold of.

Buffyfantatic said:
"Personally, I think it's Scott Hope or Parker.lol"

Heh, I was gonna mention Scott Hope for fun. Dunno if anyone's suggested him previously on Whedonesque. He's so easily forgettable. For a character that had (I believe) a three-episode arc, probably one of the most forgettable guest stars in the franchise or even in the Jossverse period (except for red-headed assistant/potentially Adelle's secretary on Dollhouse--it took me a couple times through Season 1 to notice her recurring, she might be in the first four eps of Season 2 as well, can't recall). If he hadn't been played by Canadian actor Fab Fillipo, I would've forgotten him completely myself.

All right, fine, it's looking more and more like it'll simply be a future version of one of our current characters. Hope it's not Xander.
Isn't Scott Hope gay? Clearly that rules him out for working with the military one would think. ^_^

As for wild theories, I assume that is the edge of an ear slightly haloed since glasses underneath a bank robber mask would probably be annoying.

I can't really come up with any characters that would have some sort of resonance though. If the comic is supposed to stand alone to some extent it can't go all willy nilly with obscure continuity nods like oh it was Owen Thurman all along or one of the seven siblings of Sunday, that blonde vampire girl who faked Buffy's mental breakdown her freshmen year of college! (That said, I did momentarily wonder if given the shape of the head if it was actually a demon with a weird ridged head like Toth.)

For this same reason I like to imagine it isn't Hank Summers since I have no idea what he looks like anymore since he was last featured on the show sometime in the second season it seems. (Okay, fine, he appeared as a fantasy in the mental institution season six too)
I wanna make sure it's just a joke


It is.
I have my pet theory about who it is (and am probably about to be proved so wrong they'll have to invent a new term...) but I've got to say, I love the cover for #32.
Maybe they're using O's face to imply that Twilight is essentially the government/military, or someone specifically connected to them.
I think Twilight will be Donnie Faster.
Maybe they're using O's face to imply that Twilight is essentially the government/military, or someone specifically connected to them.

Which brings it back to the Initiative, with a likely possibility of Graham.
Follow-up article was just posted on CBR: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=23920
Actually, one running theory is that it's a future version of someone from the cast. Given the time travel arc and that we've already seen future Dark Willow, it's not farfetched.

But still, Future-Giles would'nt goes to a wrong part of the world, serching the scoobies, since he already should have known where they were.

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