If this holds as the average throughout the season, the question is whether this is enough ratings for everybody?

brother_grady | October 30, 20:50 CET

This looks like pretty good news for Angel. The OC didn't hurt Angel that much, and hopefully the WB just wants to keep on beating UPN, because Angel is destroying Jake 2.0, and even gets higher ratings than Enterprise now.

prufrock | October 30, 21:17 CET

Yeah... Angel didn't loose a lot of it's viewers to the OC as I had expected it to which is a good thang. I'm pretty sure the WB is happy with the ratings that Angel is getting.

nychick | October 30, 21:25 CET

I just got back from a board where somebody is actualy blaming it on Spike. Yes. According to them, it is because it is a post-Spike episode.

NirvanaPunk | October 30, 22:00 CET

Meaning the ratings are GOOD because of Spike, or they are BAD because of Spike?

I'm an unabashed Spike fan, always have been. But I've also always been a fan of AtS, particularly last season. However, no matter what your feelings on the character of Spike, you have to admit that his addition to the cast has potentially brought in a lot of new viewers. I'm kind of a rarity, being a diehard Spike fan since Day One who also happens to have enjoyed the spin-off series. Most Spike fans (and a large portion of BtVS fans for that matter) just didn't tune into AtS. Angel's fanbase has consisted largely of fans exclusive to that series, with not much crossover appeal between the two networks (oddly enough).

Spike may not be everyone's cup of tea, but he brings with him a ton of new blood... in theory at least.

Haunt | October 30, 22:06 CET

Well, they just implied that since the last episode was Spike centric, people left. Apparently, nobody watches previews in the land where they live.

I can't wait untill somebody goes "the ratings are down because there was a Spike-centric episode 3 episodes ago!".

NirvanaPunk | October 30, 22:19 CET

"the ratings are down because there was a Spike-centric episode 3 episodes ago!".

Well, it is a possibility you know. I nearly didn't watch last nights ep, cause I hated "Hellbound" so much. And yes... I did see the promo, but they are so misleading now a days.

nychick | October 31, 00:11 CET

'"the ratings are down because there was a Spike-centric episode 3 episodes ago!".

Well, it is a possibility you know.'

Ha! I should have bet money on this! You know, I honestly thought that people would have thought it was ridiculous to say, hypotheticaly, that an episode's ratings could be down because of a Spike one that happened 3 episodes ago and and somebody says "well, it is a possibility, you know."
Next they'll blame Spike for SARS, the fires in California, and the bad economy.

[ edited by NirvanaPunk on 2003-10-30 22:33 ]

NirvanaPunk | October 31, 00:31 CET

Wow... someone's wounded tight. I was joking a little. And come to think about it... the fires in California is Spike's fault. Knowing him, he probably was smoking his cig and as usually with his lack of respect for people and nature, just threw it in a bush somewhere, hence the fires. See, and you folks wonder why I don't like the blond one

nychick | October 31, 00:52 CET

But, wait! How will we explain SARS? *g*

NirvanaPunk | October 31, 01:11 CET

"And come to think about it... the fires in California is Spike's fault. Knowing him, he probably was smoking his cig and as usually with his lack of respect for people and nature, just threw it in a bush somewhere, hence the fires."

Well Harmony did burn a pile of Spike's things near a wooded area in Buffy Season 4...

samara1 | October 31, 01:46 CET

The thing we should be most worried about is the 1.8 million less viewers from Smallville to Angel...Angel only kept 70% of the Smallville viewers...At least we know that a full season has been ordered, but unless ratings creep back up (which is entirely possible) this may very well be Angel's last hurrah...But we all faced this at the end of last season as well...

Simpleba | October 31, 02:00 CET

Yes, Simpleba, but Smallville's ratings went down as well this week.

NirvanaPunk | October 31, 02:19 CET

Seventy-percent sounds pretty damn decent to me. What's with all the hand-wringing? The season has barely begun!

Honestly, we (Buffy fans) can be so obsessive at times...

Willowy | October 31, 02:59 CET

"Honestly, we (Buffy fans) can be so obsessive at times..."

lol, that's why i love us.

riaspark17 | October 31, 03:54 CET

"lol, that's why i love us. "

You love "us" too? I thought I was the only one. Yes damn it... I admit it. I luv the lot of you, even you retched Spike loving fools.

nychick | October 31, 04:24 CET

Well, Angel's ratings didn't suffer all that much, and this was the OC's first new ep so maybe it won't stay that strong. And Smallville getting a bit of a hit too.....overall not looking so bad for Angel.
Now if the WB's new shows tank they might look a little more favorably on old 'steadies'.

Oh and the 'It's Spike's fault' actually made me laugh out loud.....

EdDantes | October 31, 05:05 CET

It's pretty obvious ratings are not the most important reason that the WB is keeping Angel going. This is a prestige show for the network. It's also pretty obvious they want more ME product too. I'm beginning to think most Whedonverse fans might have some self esteem issues.

vpecoraro | October 31, 09:36 CET

For comparison, here you can see the overnights for the 4th season (and links to the other seasons). You can also compare average ratings this season (through Oct 19) of all shows.

[ edited by tolkhan on 2003-10-31 10:04 ]

tolkhan | October 31, 12:00 CET