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December 23 2009

(SPOILER) Trailer for Tim Minear's upcoming Dollhouse episode. I start fighting a war -- I guarantee you'll see something new.

looks amazing! I got shivers at the end when Adelle says "where the hell is security".

WHY MUST FOX AXE THIS AMAZING SHOW! Lets hope it continues in some other form.
If only it hadn't taken nearly two seasons for the show to start pulling its act together...
>> I got shivers at the end when Adelle says "where the hell is security"

I got shivers when I THOUGHT she said "Where the hell is Serenity!"

It looks positively epic!! If you're gonna go, go with a bang :)
Anyone else getting sound glitches?
@ManEnoughToAdmitIT - Yup... try this link. Quality isn't AS GOOD but no sound glitches:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCVxYhBrRU0

[ edited by miVi3k on 2009-12-23 17:59 ]
Ah, thank you. Much better.
Great preview, looks to be interesting. And I'm back to loving Adelle. :)
So will they show the last 3 episodes back to back or spread out over 3 weeks?
I get shivers when Adelle says "Well, I guess we can agree this carpet's done for."

Oh, this show. I really wish I didn't have to wait.
danielc2384- Joss has said no comic, no movie, nothing. He had a 5 season arc planed, and we get two of those seasons and an mutilated last episode to serve as a series finale. I'm crushed. Sorry, still a little bitter. the last 132ish minutes of Dollhouse are gonna ROCK, as are all the deleted scenes on the dvd, the dvd in general, the rest of Buffy season 8 and Angel ATF, Dr. Horrible 2, Cabin in the Woods, Goners (I can dream, can't I? ;D ) And Joss' next projects. I'm gonna live. And Tai, yupp. One per week.
Now let's try to get as many peeople watching for those last three weeks as possible, and buy as many dvds as we can. I've given up on DH being picked up by another network, Dark Horse or Universal, but if we get the ratings huge, maybe we could get Joss a straight to dvd movie offer like in Dead Like Me, where he wouldn't have to explain the basic plot and re-introduce the characters.
brinderwalt said:
"If only it hadn't taken nearly two seasons for the show to start pulling its act together..."

Handicapped from the start due to Fox meddling (yeah, I know almost every showrunner has to deal with network notes, the push and pull of creative freedom versus apparent business sense, so Joss was arguably as challenged as any other showrunner), but I thought it pulled its act together pretty well by mid-season. The second half of Season 1 contained a number of really strong eps, IMO. And Season 2's been pretty much stellar, with the exception of an ep or two.

The argument that it's only pulling its act together now is kinda hard to support when, if we hadn't had all the build-up to this point, it's doubtful much of what we've seen these past few weeks would've had much impact.
I'm really going to miss this show. *glumface*
Handicapped from the start due to Fox meddling (yeah, I know almost every showrunner has to deal with network notes, the push and pull of creative freedom versus apparent business sense, so Joss was arguably as challenged as any other showrunner)...


Arguably?

...but I thought it pulled its act together pretty well by mid-season. The second half of Season 1 contained a number of really strong eps, IMO. And Season 2's been pretty much stellar, with the exception of an ep or two.

For the record, I'm a very harsh critic.
I'm sorry to say it but I find your lack of certitude as to the show's quality and consistency entirely illustrative of my point.

The argument that it's only pulling its act together now is kinda hard to support when, if we hadn't had all the build-up to this point, it's doubtful much of what we've seen these past few weeks would've had much impact.

Personally, I'm more concerned with how little of an impact recent events have had on me considering the amount of time and energy I've invested in following the show to date. Especially since I know - from these same people's past projects - just how good of a viewer commitment/impact ratio they are capable of producing.

It's why my overriding emotional response to Dollhouse would have to be one of disappointment.

[ edited by brinderwalt on 2009-12-25 08:57 ]
Merry Christmas, brinderwalt!
And to you, sir.
More like bah humbug, I would think.
Like I said, I'm a very harsh critic. When I see something as art I critique it from the perspective of absolute perfection. That's not to say that I can't enjoy things when they're not perfect (which they never are, nor will be.) I find the key is not to take your own opinion too seriously - which I don't at all - unless you're getting paid to express it, of course. :)
"I'm sorry to say it but I find your lack of certitude as to the show's quality and consistency entirely illustrative of my point."

Just an honest assessment of how the show's worked or hasn't worked for me. I don't think pointing out the times at which the series stumbled or was strangled in any way weakens my insistence of how it has overall worked beautifully. It's just like when we criticize the poorer/weaker parts of any of Joss' previous projects. It's all fair game. If the show was 50/50 for me or if the weaker elements far outweighed the awesome, that's when more bitching takes place and maybe dropping the show happens. With the exception of a very limited number of shows (some on cable, some from the past), scripted TV is often one of the most imperfect mediums.

The show didn't work for you, fair enough.
The show didn't work for you, fair enough.

Which is fine; I don't think for a second that my opinion is any more than what it is - that of a lone individual in a sea of others. I am, however, forced to conclude that - judging by the show's consistent, incremental loss of viewership over its entire run (something which can't be blamed on poor advertising) - my general sense of the show suffering quite heavily from its own flaws is far from unique to me.

I should point out that while I may think the show has its flaws - some of them major - I still consider it possessed of enough brilliance to be worth seeing through to the end.
I do wonder why every Dollhouse thread turns into 'why didn't the show work?'
The double-edged sword of attracting such a deep-thinking devoted fandom, I would think.
"I am, however, forced to conclude that - judging by the show's consistent, incremental loss of viewership over its entire run (something which can't be blamed on poor advertising) - my general sense of the show suffering quite heavily from its own flaws is far from unique to me."

It's funny, 'cause we could try to psych-analyze the Joss fans and casual viewers who checked it out and abandoned it quickly or after several episodes/the first season, but it would mostly only be guesswork (I suppose some polls on some other sites might shed some light on the situation to a degree). Was it the lack of many characters to root for ? No, that can't explain it, because millions of people love The Sopranos and a few other shows that've had almost no redeeming/non-tarnished characters. Was it the format of the show ? The weirdness ? (we know genre can do well, but maybe Dollhouse's particular kind of sci-fi wasn't an easy or likeable pill to swallow every week--or even at first taste, for some folks--I know three people who tried the first episode and gave up on it right then and there. One dude doesn't like Eliza Dushku/doesn't think she can act--to be fair he's only seen a few of her crappier film roles, was never into Buffy & Angel, so his point of view is kinda understandable if you've seen some of the not-so-great Dushku films, ie most of them--and the others just thought "Ghost" was lame/not enough of a hook).

Sorry to bring up Dushku's acting ability again, but it's a constantly dredged up sticking point for many viewers and former viewers. Personally she had me at "Five by Five" and "Sanctuary" (and the Buffy 2-parter before that) and with Dollhouse it was the blind girl ep, I think, that had me thinking we'd be just fine with Eliza as the lead (though I'm glad it gradually morphed into much more of an ensemble show, due to the strength of the rest of the cast).

A crapload of viewers also either don't/can't see under the surface or aren't interested in looking. That's not a criticism of Joe TV Viewer's intelligence (we are all Joe, heh), I'm not sure it's helpful or all that true to latch onto that common brand of elitism when examining the Other Viewers. Look at those first four or five episodes (and even some of the others), they're pretty standard T&A/action-adventure-with-some-sci-fi-flavoring at first glace. If you're not interested in the implications of what the tech means for the world and for the individual and for whatever reason you just didn't latch onto any of/enough of the characters...
So, what did we think of the trailer? :P
We think "why didn't more people watch this show? This trailer has Dominic in a scary futuristic outfit and everything!" Or maybe that's just me.
The trailer inspired surprisingly tangent-prone urges deep inside my grey matter.
Dominics gone all tron. Or possibly El Matrix.
Watching it again rather than relying on my memory of it, it's really the quick draw deadliness of Boyd that stands out.
There's a funny story about that I can't tell...

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